Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29th May 2012

[Johann]

We must not see Pakistan from others vision be it USA or KSA or Malaysia. We should see them from our own vision and grant them visas, free access to our markets, encourage people to people connections and even inter-faith marriages. After all marriage is the best bond we can use to convince Pakis that their terrorism as state policy is useless with India. Will they kill their own sasuraal?

There's no question it undermines the Pan-Islamic logic of the 'two-nation theory' even more than the emergence of Bangladesh.

Mother India will smother Pakistan to death with love no matter how badly it lashes out. That's how one Indian policy type once put it to me.

I don't think its a coincidence that the Indian ruling classes willingness to return to this path has increased with India's wealth and global status. It takes an enormous amount of confidence in one's long-term prospects to take such a route.

[harbans]

Johann, welcome back. You are one person who does not seem a 'Foreigner' on this forum..certainly to those who have been here for eons. Yes, despite our revulsion and macho bearing here, it does seem India has a 'fetish' to smother those in complete opposition with love and affection as a first choice at making amends. Maybe we are all too small to understand the grand scheme of things. But the feeling and it's a gut one..i think the costs are escalating for the love fests. How that mother of kindness will act in fury is another guess. Beware the fury of a patient man as the cliche goes..may apply at some stage to India too.

[nachiket]

Mother India will smother Pakistan to death with love no matter how badly it lashes out. That's how one Indian policy type once put it to me.

I don't think its a coincidence that the Indian ruling classes willingness to return to this path has increased with India's wealth and global status. It takes an enormous amount of confidence in one's long-term prospects to take such a route.

And an enormous amount of stupidity as well. Particularly since this approach has never ever worked.
But I guess if we keep electing such people to office we deserve it.

[Cosmo_R]

@ Johann ^^^

Mother India will smother Pakistan to death with love no matter how badly it lashes out. That's how one Indian policy type once put it to me.

I don't think its a coincidence that the Indian ruling classes willingness to return to this path has increased with India's wealth and global status. It takes an enormous amount of confidence in one's long-term prospects to take such a route.

We'll see and I hope you are right, seasoned BRF warrior(s) that you are .

My other and bigger hope and perhaps even a prayer is that India's 'ruling classes' (not to be confused with 'governing classes') realize that that there is a lot more to do to than just swatting off paki pinpricks. There is a lot to be learned from China in terms of getting the job done.

This is an interesting article:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... M+J+DOBSON

"Putinism comes just for your political rights but does not touch your personal freedom," the opposition leader Boris Nemtsov told me. "You can travel, you can emigrate if you want, you can read the Internet. Communists blocked personal freedom plus political freedom. That's why communism looks much more stupid than Putinism."

Somewhere in there is the kind of leadership India desperately needs. One the one hand there is this comic effort to curtail internet freedom by the likes of the idiotic Kapil Sibal and on the other the ability of a single individual (usually backed by someone else) to initiate a PIL that brings down a multimillion dollar project or an institution to a state of paralysis.

Life is short and all that matters is the "...greatest happiness of the greatest number."

JMT

[pankajs]

Pakistan justice on trial in a tale of morality and corruption

Shopping at London's expensive Harrods store, staying at apartments costing £40,000 (nearly Rs 34 lakh) in monthly rent, luxury vehicles for travel in England, three annual trips to European destinations including Monte Carlo... Sounds like another corruption scandal from Pakistan.

The only difference is that this time it does not involve a politician.

The man at the centre of these accusations is Arsalan Iftikhar, the son of Pakistan Chief Justice Iftikhar Mohammed Chaudhry who, over the past three years, has initiated and vigorously pursued a number of graft cases against federal ministers and members of the ruling coalition.

[abhishek_sharma]

My other and bigger hope and perhaps even a prayer is that India's 'ruling classes' (not to be confused with 'governing classes') realize that that there is a lot more to do to than just swatting off paki pinpricks. There is a lot to be learned from China in terms of getting the job done.

Thanks for calling terror attacks "pinpricks". I am sure you wouldn't mind if your family members are a target of those "pinpricks". Right?

[surinder]

Mother India will smother Pakistan to death with love no matter how badly it lashes out. That's how one Indian policy type once put it to me.

I don't think its a coincidence that the Indian ruling classes willingness to return to this path has increased with India's wealth and global status. It takes an enormous amount of confidence in one's long-term prospects to take such a route.

Consider another possibility, India smothers with love, because it is afraid & unwilling to wage war. Love is safe, war is not.

Also consider, the section of giving love, is not the section of india receiveing the lashes.

[Anujan]

Pakistan justice on trial in a tale of morality and corruption

Shopping at London's expensive Harrods store, staying at apartments costing £40,000 (nearly Rs 34 lakh) in monthly rent, luxury vehicles for travel in England, three annual trips to European destinations including Monte Carlo... Sounds like another corruption scandal from Pakistan.

The only difference is that this time it does not involve a politician.

The man at the centre of these accusations is Arsalan Iftikhar, the son of Pakistan Chief Justice Iftikhar Mohammed Chaudhry who, over the past three years, has initiated and vigorously pursued a number of graft cases against federal ministers and members of the ruling coalition.

Groper's son is on trial for importing ephedrine (from which meth can be made easily). groper needled the chief justice by asking him to consider groper's son as his own son while rendering a verdict

[pankajs]

Pakistan in danger of being declared as ‘enemy country’ by US

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan that was declared major non-Nato ally by the United States way back in 2004 in the so-called war on terror, is facing serious threat of being termed as an ‘enemy country’ in case Islamabad doesn’t come to terms with Washington on thorny issues of resumption of ground lines of communications (GLOC) for Nato, release of Dr Shakil Afridi and deal with the so-called Haqqani network with iron fist.


The US administration is getting impatient because the whole machinery in that country would be diverting to the electioneering after about three weeks and the Independence Day would be deadline for the White House to take a decision about its affairs with Pakistan.

Diplomatic sources have brushed aside an impression that Pakistan had in any manner assured or even hinted for the restoration of GLOC in return for the Chicago invitation. The US ambassador in Pakistan Cameron Munter had categorically told his capital before the Chicago summit that Pakistan wouldn’t open GLOC without finalising fresh terms of engagement in accordance to its parliamentary recommendations. Pakistan’s ambassador in Washington never gave an impression that Pakistan would restore GLOC once the Chicago invitation is extended.

Well placed Western diplomatic sources told The News Sunday that the US officials and State Department have a huge task ahead of repairing relations with Pakistan and their most consistent and hardworking ally in this job has been its ambassador Sherry Rehman who engages with members of Congress, White House and Defence Department more than any envoy in a long time. She had kept the Pak-Afghan discussions going at the time when it was almost impossible, always using all summit sidelines and other occasions resourcefully to make space for talks. However, now things are changing very fast for Pakistan in the United States and the post-Afridi sentiment is gathering dangerous momentum with Pakistan cast more as a US enemy, not friend in public eyes. The US officials are insisting that everything now is seen in the context of the prolonged stalemate on GLOC and Pakistan is being viewed by even the Nato countries as a nation that is standing in the way of their peaceful exit from Afghanistan. The GLOC is the route through which this exit will take place, and the mood in Washington especially Congress and the White House is very combative now. Dr Afridi is being called as ‘hero’ by even the old friends of Pakistan in Congress and Pakistan moves to penalise him are seen as providing support to Osama bin Laden rekindling the whole OBL episode all over again. The Americans are asking why Pakistan would want to punish someone who helped find OBL, who is America’s number one enemy. The remarks of Defence Secretary Leon Panetta were seen as adverse by the Foreign Office here as well ambassador Sherry drawing quick reaction from the both but they may well signal a real change in Washington’s level of mistrust and anger with Islamabad, the sources said.

It is understood that after Peter Levoy was refused number of meetings in Islamabad and Rawalpindi when he came here last week in an effort to repair ties. The US officials are of the view that the anger and distrust may well harden into the new reset.

“Too much time has passed,” they say openly while Americans and time wait for no one to make up their minds for so long. Interestingly Peter Le Voy is one senior official from Pentagon and he was one of the key people who were helpful in responding to Pakistan’s mission in Washington requesting not to hold Department of Defence seminar on Balochistan{Is this just the imagination of one paranoid paki?} right now, as BLA dissidents were on the speak and it would have been seen in Pakistan as major provocation by the US government, not an NGO. It is feared that the focus on ‘do more’ will soon reach a crescendo in the United States as election months come closer. After Shakil Afridi’s verdict and no to GLOC, Pakistan is now openly cited as enemy on US TV and similar are the feelings at the Capitol Hill where Senator Rand Paul is attaching an amendment to cut all aid to Pakistan if Afridi is not freed. Pakistani diplomats are trying hard to put a hold on the amendment through other Senators, the sources added.

The sources in the Foreign Office said that they gave the green signal for an apology in February last for Salala gory aggression, now it is too close to the election for them to bring it up again. Pakistan has more to lose than the US, in taking on a superpower, and that is what we should all be worrying about.

[svinayak]

Mother India will smother Pakistan to death with love no matter how badly it lashes out. That's how one Indian policy type once put it to me.

I don't think its a coincidence that the Indian ruling classes willingness to return to this path has increased with India's wealth and global status. It takes an enormous amount of confidence in one's long-term prospects to take such a route.

And an enormous amount of stupidity as well. Particularly since this approach has never ever worked.
But I guess if we keep electing such people to office we deserve it.

There is a catch in this which is not being discussed. There is huge social engineering which is built in it.

[Aditya_V]

Mother India will smother Pakistan to death with love no matter how badly it lashes out. That's how one Indian policy type once put it to me.

I don't think its a coincidence that the Indian ruling classes willingness to return to this path has increased with India's wealth and global status. It takes an enormous amount of confidence in one's long-term prospects to take such a route.

Consider another possibility, India smothers with love, because it is afraid & unwilling to wage war. Love is safe, war is not.

Also consider, the section of giving love, is not the section of india receiveing the lashes.

And the section making love also has an exit strategy planned and agreed.

[surinder]

It is easy to say I will give love, when it is not you who is getting the lashes. How convenient.

Common man dies but it is the politicians, journalists, film stars, and elites who forgive TSP and make love. When politicians saw the lashes close up, they reacted by Operation Parakram, not by operation more love. None of the politicians lost their loved ones in during partition, so it was easy to forgive.

[archan]

There is a catch in this which is not being discussed. There is huge social engineering which is built in it.

If it is not being discussed here, why not take the responsibility as one of the seniormost members of BRF to discuss it in detail? let us have a nice post/thread from you where you elucidate with examples the very many alleged attempts at social engineering going on in India.

[abhishek_sharma]

Not sure about this case, but many examples (and evidence) of social engineering are available in Rajiv Malhotra's book "Breaking India."

[pankajs]

Bomb rips through bus near Quetta; 50 injured

QUETTA: A passenger bus travelling from Quetta to Naushki was struck by a bomb in the Dringarh area near Mastung early on Monday, DawnNews reported.

There were over a 100 people reportedly onboard the bus at the time of the attack.

[g.sarkar]

http://www.cfr.org/pakistan/widening-us ... ift/p28464
Interview
The Widening U.S.-Pakistan Rift
"The CIA drone attack June 4 in northwest Pakistan that killed deputy al-Qaeda leader Abu Yahya al-Libi is the latest in a string of incidents that has brought U.S.-Pakistan relations to "a new low, relative to what we've seen since 9/11," says CFR South Asia expert Daniel Markey. In addition to drone attacks, the 2011 killing of Osama bin Laden, U.S. air attacks killing Pakistan soldiers along the Afghan border, and anti-Pakistan rhetoric have all contributed to the strained relationship. Markey also attributes the rift to the intensity of the Obama administration's counterterrorism focus and Pakistani mistrust about U.S. objectives in the region.
Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, visiting Afghanistan June 7, said because of attacks from Haqqani forces--insurgent Afghan forces based in Pakistan--the United States is "reaching the limits of our patience" with Pakistan. Does this indicate a new low in U.S.-Pakistan relations, or is this the new norm?
Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, visiting Afghanistan June 7, said because of attacks from Haqqani forces--insurgent Afghan forces based in Pakistan--the United States is "reaching the limits of our patience" with Pakistan. Does this indicate a new low in U.S.-Pakistan relations, or is this the new norm?
It is a new low relative to what we've seen since 9/11 [September 11, 2001], or at least it's a continued low from where we've been since the killing of Osama bin Laden last year [May 1, 2011]. Relations got even worse last November with the friendly-fire incident along the Afghanistan-Pakistan border in which some twenty-eight Pakistani soldiers were killed. But we should remember that before 9/11, the relationship with Pakistan was almost nonexistent, certainly in terms of any kind of U.S. assistance. The anger wasn't quite as high then, or the frustration, but neither was the degree of interaction. Throughout the 1990s, we had sanctions imposed against Pakistan.
That was because of Pakistan's nuclear program, right?
Right. The United States had made it clear to Pakistan that if they pursued nuclear weapons, sanctions would be imposed. And there have been other low points. In 1979 the U.S. embassy was attacked in Islamabad, and rather than taking firm action against the rioters who rampaged the place, the government of General Mohammed Zia ul-Haq essentially let the protest burn out. That is to say that times have actually been worse in the past, but they are very bad now........."
Gautam

[SSridhar]

New polio cases in Pakistan alarms WHO

The new cases should alarm India even more with the announcement of the liberalized visa. The great work by India in eradicating Polio must not go waste.

[pankajs]

Pakistan 'trashed' and insulted, Kayani won't meet US official

Pakistan Army chief Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani's office turned down a request for a meeting by visiting US deputy assistant secretary of defense Peter Lavoy, reflecting the strains that have hit ties between the two countries since last year. A meeting was requested by the American official but the general headquarters declined it, unnamed Pakistani officials were quoted as saying by The News daily on Monday.

The officials said they were not aware if Lavoy was given any reasons for the decision.

US officials in Washington too confirmed the development, the daily reported.

One unnamed Pakistani official indicated the request was turned down because of allegations by US officials that Pakistan was not doing enough to rein in militants operating along the border with Afghanistan.

"There are several reasons for turning down (a meeting with) Lavoy. It is to tell the Americans that you cannot be bad-mouthing us day in and day out and then expect a meeting with Pakistan's most powerful personality," the official said.

"You cannot trash our sovereignty, threaten us, announce intensified drone attacks, kill our soldiers, refuse to apologise when you do the same in Kabul, hold back our money (from the Coalition Support Fund), threaten to cut off all aid and then pretend that it is business as usual," the official added.

Pakistan has been angered by remarks made by US defense secretary Leon Panetta during a recent visit to India and Afghanistan.

Panetta said the US had no plans to stop drone strikes despite protests from Pakistan.

Panetta further said the US was running out of patience with Pakistan for failing to act against militant safe havens in the tribal belt bordering Afghanistan.

Officials involved in working out a "package deal" with the US told The News that there were clear instructions from the Pakistan government that a US apology for a deadly NATO air strike that killed 24 Pakistani soldiers in November last year was more important than the fees to be paid for NATO containers going to Afghanistan.

"We would be willing to forgo charges in return for assurances on our sovereignty and offer of an apology. It means more than the money, we are more concerned about our dignity and honour.

"If we get assurances that our sovereignty will not be violated and our dignity will be respected, we will not bother about the money part. Price of containers is not an important issue," an official was quoted as saying.{After the apology the price can again become important or the price can be taken care by looting the NATO trucks.}

The official said Lavoy had been told that, without an apology, it would not be possible to move forward on reopening the NATO supply lines to Afghanistan.

"One cannot predict the outcome of our discussions. The process remains unpredictable. The apology remains the key to preserve our dignity. In the absence of the same, it has been difficult to move forward," the official said.

Pakistan closed the supply lines after the NATO air strike in November.

Since then, Islamabad and Washington have been engaged in negotiations to settle their differences.

Pakistani leaders, including foreign minister Hina Rabbani Khar, have said that an apology for the NATO air strike is a pre-requisite for reopening the supply lines.

Efforts are now underway to ensure that an "acceptable apology is delivered one way or the other to Pakistan", The News reported.

"There appears to be a slim chance that an acceptable apology will surface. Neither side is ready to accept the language the interlocutors are working on, and time is running out.{For whom one wonders}

"General headquarters has to understand that a ready apology was pushed aside and now too many issues have overtaken the apology," an unnamed diplomat was quoted as saying.

The powerful security establishment has sent a message to Lavoy that a "package deal" would not be possible without an apology.

[anupmisra]

Students to raise Pakistani flag at Shell Eco Marathon
Why, you ask?

Pakistani youth have been in international limelight, particularly for the last several years with their outshining and outstanding skills.

Mukaram Raza is one of the brilliant final year students of engineering at NUST who successfully invented a single seater that would consume only a litre of fuel for going a 110 kilometre Formula 1 racetrack. If you overlook the convoluted syntax, it seems that a paki invented something that gives great mileage on a Formula-One track. A moped, perhaps?

[abhijitm]

card game:
1. pakistan has china card for america and India
2. pakistan has India card for china
3. pakistan has americaa card for china and india
4. china has pakistan card for america and india
5. china has india card for america
6. america has india card for pakistan and china
7. america has afghanistan card for pakistan, india and china
8. america has pakistan card for india, afghanistan and china

and above all:
pakistan has pakistan card for india, america, china and afghanistan.

Apparently only India in this equation is not holding any card.

[A_Gupta]

http://tazeen-tazeen.blogspot.com/2012/ ... tiyan.html
Qaum ki betiyaan

[Dilbu]

Pakistan even has a Pakistan card for the rest of the world by pointing the gun at themselves.

[Dilbu]

New polio cases in Pakistan alarms WHO

The new cases should alarm India even more with the announcement of the liberalized visa. The great work by India in eradicating Polio must not go waste.

It may sound a bit cruel but the border fence should ideally stop everything that comes from TSP including civilians. As shittistan is sinking deep into the pit with each passing day India has no other choice than to protect itself by screening and quarantining everything originating from that place.

[archan]

http://tazeen-tazeen.blogspot.com/2012/ ... tiyan.html
Qaum ki betiyaan

Kudos to Shabana (if the story is true). This part:

Once she was holding a meeting in the house of a Muslim woman and a few Hindu women also came in to attend it. One came with her toddler who was thirsty and asked for water. The host initially tried to ignore the child’s request for water because she did not want a low caste Hindu boy to drink from her glass

is another slap on the face of those who keep calling the caste system as a "Hindu evil".

[Brad Goodman]

Quake rocks Pakistan

An earthquake measuring 5.6 on the Richter scale Monday jolted Pakistan's northwest province of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.

The earthquake tremors were felt at about 10.20 a.m. in the provincial capital of Peshawar and its adjoining areas, including Mardan, Charsadda and Nowshera, reported Xinhua citing the meteorological department.

The epicentre of the earthquake was located at 214 km northwest of the country's capital Islamabad in the Hindu Kush mountainous range along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border area.

The earthquake created panic among the people, but no loss of life was reported, according to the initial reports.

Northern and northwestern Pakistan is located in one of the most earthquake prone areas.

Geographically, Pakistan lies in the collision zone of the India tectonic plate to the south and the Eurasian plate to the north.

Was it a zalzala coz momeens are not pious any more though yesterday we say polio cases which means they are pious and not giving any kaffir drugs to kids except coke I guess. May be droneacharya dropped a big daisy cutter on them

[Brad Goodman]

Pakistan police to launch FM radio

First it was mulla who launched FM now Police next is a fauji FM channel. Way to go

[wig]

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[Nandu]

Apparently only India in this equation is not holding any card.

Mere paas maa hai.

[Roperia]

Pakistan 'trashed' and insulted, Kayani won't meet US official

Pakistan Army chief Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani's office turned down a request for a meeting by visiting US deputy assistant secretary of defense Peter Lavoy
...

U.S. pulls negotiators from Pakistan, no supply deal

"I believe that some of the team left over the weekend and the remainder of the team will leave shortly," George Little, a Pentagon spokesman, told reporters. "This was a U.S. decision."

The chain smoker pakjabi mullah jarrnail kiya-nahi has overplayed his hand.

[Uttam]

Deal or No Deal

U.S. Negotiators Will Leave Pakistan Without Deal To Reopen Supply Route

[ramana]

card game:
1. pakistan has china card for america and India
2. pakistan has India card for china
3. pakistan has americaa card for china and india
4. china has pakistan card for america and india
5. china has india card for america
6. america has india card for pakistan and china
7. america has afghanistan card for pakistan, india and china
8. america has pakistan card for india, afghanistan and china

and above all:
pakistan has pakistan card for india, america, china and afghanistan.

Apparently only India in this equation is not holding any card.

All they have is cards as India has the bank in the game.

[Narad]

As per Yawn:-

US officials have so far rejected Pakistani proposals to charge steep fees of several thousand dollars for each alliance truck crossing the border.

Washington has also refused to issue an explicit apology for the lethal air raid.

[shyamoo]

card game:
1. pakistan has china card for america and India
2. pakistan has India card for china
3. pakistan has americaa card for china and india
4. china has pakistan card for america and india
5. china has india card for america
6. america has india card for pakistan and china
7. america has afghanistan card for pakistan, india and china
8. america has pakistan card for india, afghanistan and china

and above all:
pakistan has pakistan card for india, america, china and afghanistan.

Apparently only India in this equation is not holding any card.

Beginners play the cards. Pros play the players

Despite our politicians, our babus ( some of them at least ) know how to play the game.

Apparently only India in this equation is not holding any card.

Mere paas maa hai.

Wicked awesome

[KJo]

My other and bigger hope and perhaps even a prayer is that India's 'ruling classes' (not to be confused with 'governing classes') realize that that there is a lot more to do to than just swatting off paki pinpricks. There is a lot to be learned from China in terms of getting the job done.

Thanks for calling terror attacks "pinpricks". I am sure you wouldn't mind if your family members are a target of those "pinpricks". Right?

Abhishek, I get your point, but we need to think at a national level here, not at our family level. Pakis don't go to war anymore, they resort to "pin-pricks" to keep the pot boiling.

An analogy could be a question of whether income taxes should be kept or abolished? At a national level, I would want Inc Tax because the country needs money to run. At a personal level, I would like it if it was 0%.

[svinayak]

card game:
1. pakistan has china card for america and India
2. pakistan has India card for china
3. pakistan has americaa card for china and india
4. china has pakistan card for america and india
5. china has india card for america
6. america has india card for pakistan and china
7. america has afghanistan card for pakistan, india and china
8. america has pakistan card for india, afghanistan and china

and above all:
pakistan has pakistan card for india, america, china and afghanistan.

Apparently only India in this equation is not holding any card.

In geopolitics cards are held by weak players and the real players play with capability

[partha]

U.S. pulls negotiators from Pakistan, no supply deal

"I believe that some of the team left over the weekend and the remainder of the team will leave shortly," George Little, a Pentagon spokesman, told reporters. "This was a U.S. decision."

The chain smoker pakjabi mullah jarrnail kiya-nahi has overplayed his hand.

Bositive neuj! World class Pakistani roads no longer in danger of further deterioration.

Of course it has to be a US decision. All we asked is $5000 per truck per trip. Stingy joos. If they can bail out their big banks, why not give $5000 per truck {btw, this was a real argument from Hussain Haqqani, former ambassador on CNN long back. }, hain?

[abhishek_sharma]

>> Abhishek, I get your point, but we need to think at a national level here, not at our family level.

How do you calculate the worth of lives lost at a national level? Should we measure it by the %age reduction in population? Why do we have murderers and robbers in jail today? Have they caused any significant reduction in population and GDP of India? Maybe we should release them.

[pankajs]

U.S. pulls negotiators from Pakistan, no supply deal

"I believe that some of the team left over the weekend and the remainder of the team will leave shortly," George Little, a Pentagon spokesman, told reporters. "This was a U.S. decision."

The chain smoker pakjabi mullah jarrnail kiya-nahi has overplayed his hand.

Finally Baki H&D has been restored. They have given the Khans a muh tod jawab by refusing to open the NATO supply routes.

Talks with Pakistan on reopening war supply routes stall; US negotiators leaving Islamabad

The U.S. recalled the team after the top Pakistani general refused to meet with a top Defense Department official, Little said.

[arun]

U.S. pulls negotiators from Pakistan, no supply deal

"I believe that some of the team left over the weekend and the remainder of the team will leave shortly," George Little, a Pentagon spokesman, told reporters. "This was a U.S. decision."

The chain smoker pakjabi mullah jarrnail kiya-nahi has overplayed his hand.

CNBC has as it were “bowdlerised” the Reuters report they cited.

The Reuters report is less dramatic and indicates that the US negotiators have left for some R&R and could return at any moment:

U.S. pulls negotiators from Pakistan, no supply deal

Pentagon spokesman George Little said the decision to withdraw the negotiating team was not imposed by Pakistan. He said the team of negotiators had been there for about six weeks and deserved a rest……………..

Little acknowledged that securing a deal with Pakistan remained a priority and said the team of negotiators could return at any moment.

[KJo]

>> Abhishek, I get your point, but we need to think at a national level here, not at our family level.

How do you calculate the worth of lives lost at a national level? Should we measure it by the %age reduction in population? Why do we have murderers and robbers in jail today? Have they caused any significant reduction in population and GDP of India? Maybe we should release them.

The point I am making is the PM or whoever is in charge of India should make decisions with the nation in mind. Decisions should not be made based on how one's family would be affected. Often, this is more in theory than in practice but what to do we are like this onlee.