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http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/ ... BY20151011Turkish military says Syrian jets, missile systems harass its warplanes
Syrian fighter jets and missile systems harassed Turkish F-16 warplanes near the Turkish-Syrian border on Saturday, the Turkish military said on Sunday, once again bringing the conflict to NATO's southeastern flank.
The three jets were among 12 F-16s patrolling the border when they were interfered with for two minutes by Syria-based missile systems. They were also harassed for 35 seconds by two SU-22 and one SU-24 planes, the general staff statement said.
(A Reconstruction group that must be dear to the hearts of Halliburton Inc.)Syria Kurds 'razing villages seized from IS' - Amnesty
The YPG is part of a new alliance of Arab and Kurdish groups, called the Democratic Forces of Syria, which was announced on Monday.
A Pentagon spokesman said C-17 transport aircraft, supported by fighter escorts, had dropped pallets of supplies overnight to Syrian Arab groups fighting IS in Hassakeh province.
It said the rebel leaders had been vetted by the US. .. as the US said it had dropped more than 45 tonnes of ammunition to rebels in north-western Syria. (Note: 5 tons have already gone missing from yesterday)
The air-drop comes days after the US abandoned a $500m (£326m) plan to train thousands of "moderate" rebels to fight IS.
In other cases, residents alleged that YPG fighters had ordered them to leave, threatening them with air strikes if they failed to comply.
"They told us we had to leave or they would tell the US coalition that we were terrorists and their planes would hit us and our families," one person told Amnesty's researchers.
Coalition air strikes, as well as air drops of weapons and ammunition, have helped the militia to drive IS out of large parts of northern Syria this year. Pic caption: YPG fighters have captured a string of towns and villages from Islamic State militants this year.
On Tuesday, Amnesty said its researchers had uncovered evidence of "alarming abuses" carried out by the YPG - the military wing of the Democratic Union Party (PYD) - in towns and villages controlled by the Kurdish Autonomous Administration in Hassakeh and Raqqa provinces.
This appeared to be in retaliation for residents' perceived sympathies with or links to the jihadist group, it says.
"While in some cases residents acknowledged that there had been a handful of IS supporters in their villages, ..."
Its report quoted one witness in the village of Husseiniya, in Hassakeh province, as saying: "They pulled us out of our homes and began burning the home... they brought the bulldozers... They demolished home after home until the entire village was destroyed."
Satellite images illustrated the scale of the demolitions in Husseiniya, Amnesty said. Of 225 buildings visible in June 2014, only 14 were still standing by June 2015.
The risk is always there either of getting shot down by any missile , RPG or even Small Arms , For that matter even engine failure ( I rember in kargil one Mi-17 was lost due to engine failure )habal wrote:these russians do not seem to be afraid of any TOW show, are they using jammers ?
Turkey has warned the United States and Russia it will not tolerate Kurdish territorial gains by Kurdish militia close to its frontiers in north-western Syria, two senior officials said.
No the Mi 17 was lost to manpad.Austin wrote:...
The risk is always there either of getting shot down by any missile , RPG or even Small Arms , For that matter even engine failure ( I rember in kargil one Mi-17 was lost due to engine failure )
But thats the risk in any combat ops or for that matter normal flying , they would try to minimise the risk but it cant be zero , they need to be prepared to take loss ,specially if they fly so low or flying over enemy territory with little hope of getting rescued.
Spotted this gem elsewhere:Published time: 31 May, 2015
Hatf IX (NASR) missile being fired during a test at an undisclosed location in Pakistan (Reuters / Pakistan Military Inter Services Public Relations (ISPR) via Reuters TV / Handout) / Reuters
India is concerned that Islamic State militants (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) could get their hands on a nuclear weapon from its regional foe and fellow nuclear power Pakistan.
Indian Defense Minister Rao Inderjit voiced the concerns at the sidelines of the Shangri-La regional security conference in Singapore on Saturday.
"With the rise of ISIS in West Asia, one is afraid to an extent that perhaps they might get access to a nuclear arsenal from states like Pakistan,” he said, as cited by Bloomberg.
Earlier this month, IS said in its propaganda magazine Dabiq it could obtain a nuke from “states like Pakistan.”
"The Islamic State has billions of dollars in the bank, so they call on their wilāyah [official] in Pakistan to purchase a nuclear device through weapons dealers with links to corrupt officials in the region," the article read.
Although even the article says the scenario is “far-fetched” and political analysts regard the possibility as unlikely.
Pakistan as well as India rank poorly in terms of nuclear security. According to the Nuclear Threat Initiative (NTI) nuclear materials security index, out of 25 countries Pakistan comes 22nd while India is 23rd.
READ MORE: Nukes within a year? ISIS magazine boasts they can be bought in Pakistan
Terrorism, the majority driven by Islamic extremism, has killed more than 55,000 people in Pakistan since 2001, which has given rise to concerns about the security of its nuclear arsenal.
Pakistan is also one of the few countries that is increasing its nuclear arsenal. US think tank the Council on Foreign Relations believes it has 100-120 warheads compared to India’s 90-100 and is developing a nuclear submarine capable of carrying nuclear missiles.
The Pakistani nuclear program began in the early 1970s in response to India developing its own atomic weapons, and in 1998 they successfully tested five nuclear devices becoming the seventh nuclear power in the world.
Fearing for his life and that of his regime, King Salman of Saudi Arabia checked into a hospital claiming severe Alzheimer’s disease while his son, the real power, Defense Minister and Crown Prince Salman flew to Russia where, according to Pentagon and Russian sources he offered the surrender of his regime. As the rather crude Arab saying goes “one day the stick is in your hand, the next day it is in your ass.” In effect, the Saudi prince bent over and offered Russia control of the oil market in exchange for his regime’s survival. To sweeten the pot, Salman offered to pay for the two French made Mistral helicopter carriers that Egypt is buying after France was forced to cancel the sale to Russia.
The Russians agreed with the Saudis that some sort of “political settlement,” including the end of the fake terrorist ISIS caliphate, was needed.
The other Middle Eastern autocrat who is in a deep state of funk is Turkey’s President Erdogan. The Pentagon is withdrawing all its forces and anti-missile defenses from Turkey as part of its general disengagement from the region. The only thing they insist on, and will continue to get, is regular gasoline supplies for their fuel guzzling military engine.
Erdogan has been caught bombing Kurds in his own country, stealing industrial infrastructure from Syria, working with Israel and generally being an anti-social trouble maker. As payback, the Rothschild pipelines carrying Syrian and Iraqi stolen oil through Turkey are being cut off by the Russians and Kurds.
habal wrote:Mommy Mommy that boy and his friend are teasing me !!!http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/ ... BY20151011Turkish military says Syrian jets, missile systems harass its warplanes
Syrian fighter jets and missile systems harassed Turkish F-16 warplanes near the Turkish-Syrian border on Saturday, the Turkish military said on Sunday, once again bringing the conflict to NATO's southeastern flank.
The three jets were among 12 F-16s patrolling the border when they were interfered with for two minutes by Syria-based missile systems. They were also harassed for 35 seconds by two SU-22 and one SU-24 planes, the general staff statement said.
How does it feel to have a MiG-29 come directly at you, at your face.
here's some rebels who had to face just that. 1:09 onward.
ofcourse allah-0-akbar
Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Tuesday at the 7th annual VTB Capital "Russia Calling!" Investment Forum.
"We asked them: give us the targets you regard as 100% terrorist, and the answer was that they were not ready. We thought and asked another question: then could you tell us where we should strike? Also no response. No kidding, I’m not inventing anything, it’s really so. We have recently proposed to the Americans: give us the facilities not to strike at — also no answer. It seems to me that some of our partners are totally mixed up," Putin said. He added that the Western partners have no understanding of what is really going on in Syria and which goals they are pursing in the country’s territory.
According to Putin, Russia does not strive for leadership in Syria.
"I don’t want to discuss this for now but I want to note that we are not striving for some kind of leadership in Syria. There is only one leader in Syria — the Syrian people. We are striving for contributing to the fight against terrorism which is dangerous for the United States of America, for Russia, for European countries, and for the whole world in general," Putin said.
"In my opinion, all of us should be interested in that [the settlement of the Syrian crisis]," Putin said. "Unfortunately, although this may be not bad for the beginning, the work is going on only at the level of the military agencies and only on military and technical issues, up to comparing the friend-or-foe systems on our aircraft. But I believe that this is not enough."
"If we want to be effective, if we want not to just shoot and carry out missile strikes and reach a political settlement, we must motivate those forces inside the country, and the conflict is complex, multi-faceted, to joint work between various forces on the territory of Syria itself," the Russian leader said.
Putin added that his conversation with US President Barack Obama had been very frank. "We saw our partners’ interest in joint work," the Russian president said. According to Putin, it is necessary to work with those people whom we may influence, "to persuade them to sit down at the negotiating table and finally begin the political settlement process." "We haven’t reached this point yet in our joint work either with the United States or with the Europeans, but, above all, the United States," he noted, adding that Russia suggested holding a high-level military and political meeting in Moscow. "So far, there has been no reply," he said.
Russian President Vladimir Putin has called to be more serious about the work with partners on the Syrian settlement and suggested a Russian delegation be led by Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev.
"I said we are ready to send a big delegation to Washington to discuss, first of all, issues of the Syrian settlement," Putin said on Tuesday. "I think it can be a serious and representative delegation from Russia led by Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev."
Putin said the delegation might include the top ranking military, such as a deputy chief of the General Staff, and security officers. "This work is to be taken to a serious, substantive level, if we want to work really efficiently," Putin said, adding it was likewise important to work with the countries of the region too, including with Turkey, Jordan, the United Arab Emirates, and Iraq. "Yes, there are very many mutual suspicions and mutual accusations, but if we don’t work towards a solution, it could never be found," he said. "We hope we will be able to move along the path of settling political problems."
MOSCOW, October 13. /TASS/. Russian President Vladimir Putin has expressed bewilderment on Tuesday over the targets of US airstrikes in Syria.
"On Sunday, the American aviation bombed out an electrical power plant and a transformer in Aleppo. Why have they done this? Whom have they punished there? What’s the point? Nobody knows," the president said at a meeting with the Russian government members.
how do you jam a wire guided missile??Austin wrote:The risk is always there either of getting shot down by any missile , RPG or even Small Arms , For that matter even engine failure ( I rember in kargil one Mi-17 was lost due to engine failure )habal wrote:these russians do not seem to be afraid of any TOW show, are they using jammers ?
But thats the risk in any combat ops or for that matter normal flying , they would try to minimise the risk but it cant be zero , they need to be prepared to take loss ,specially if they fly so low or flying over enemy territory with little hope of getting rescued.
Very timely post indeed, Sir. Came across this report from the Atlantic. read on to have a little more clarity on the coming Turkish whirlwind.ramana wrote:I think we will soon add Turkey to the Levant crisis.
Erdogan is now reaping the whirlwind that he sowed.
Very Biblical!!!
Today, the conflicts roiling Turkish society include:
The Justice and Development Party (AKP) vs. the Republican People’s Party (CHP);
The AKP vs. the Nationalist Movement Party (MHP);
The AKP vs. the Peoples’ Democratic Party (HDP);
The AKP vs. the Gulenists;
The HDP vs. the PKK;
Everyone vs. the PKK;
The MHP vs. the HDP;
Everyone vs. the self-proclaimed Islamic State (though there are persistent questions about the government’s position on this group and other extremists); and
Alevi Muslims vs. orthodox Sunni Muslims.
Saudis have been supplying oil to Poland on dirt cheap price to undercut Russia. Now Sunni Mullahs of Saudia have called for Jihad against Russia. Whatever was offered to Vlad by Saudi have been not accepted. Let the battle lines be drawn clearly.Shia Vs Sunni, Sunni Vs Shia, Jisne Bhi Kiya, Accha kiya.Philip wrote:India warns ISIS could get nukes from Pakistan
https://www.rt.com/news/263681-isis-get-nukes-pakistan/
Fearing for his life and that of his regime, King Salman of Saudi Arabia checked into a hospital claiming severe Alzheimer’s disease while his son, the real power, Defense Minister and Crown Prince Salman flew to Russia where, according to Pentagon and Russian sources he offered the surrender of his regime. As the rather crude Arab saying goes “one day the stick is in your hand, the next day it is in your ass.” In effect, the Saudi prince bent over and offered Russia control of the oil market in exchange for his regime’s survival. To sweeten the pot, Salman offered to pay for the two French made Mistral helicopter carriers that Egypt is buying after France was forced to cancel the sale to Russia.The Russians agreed with the Saudis that some sort of “political settlement,” including the end of the fake terrorist ISIS caliphate, was needed.
Since last week, five people have died and four ministers have lost their jobs in Iraqi Kurdistan, the semi-autonomous region of Iraq whose Western-backed fighters have retaken nearly all the territory they briefly lost to the Islamic State group, or ISIS, and become heroes in the U.S.
A mix of political and economic issues are fueling the crisis. Many protesters accuse the ruling Kurdistan Democratic Party, or KDP, of hoarding power because its leader, Massoud Barzani, declined to surrender the presidency when his term officially ended on Aug. 19.
The KDP has responded with actions that appear to target Gorran, the top opposition party. On Monday, it prevented a Gorran member who is the speaker of the Kurdistan parliament from entering the region's capital, removed Gorran members from the coalition government and shut down some offices of a Gorran-linked TV channel.
Though the Kurdish leadership has said it will not move forward on the question of independence until the ISIS threat has been quelled, Barzani has promised an eventual referendum on the idea in the face of U.S. opposition to it.
A competition for leadership is unsurprising, Phillips told HuffPost, but the failure thus far to resolve the crisis is peculiar, given that varying factions within Kurdistan have previously reached negotiated settlements lest infighting weaken their region in relation to the central Iraqi government and other players in the neighborhood.
Boom! They're going for the jugular as I've been saying for some time. Russia is trying to take control of the oil markets and trying to neutralize the NYMEX/IPE. The dollar's survival as a reserve currency depends on this mechanism. Smart. Instead of going head to head with the US military they are covertly striking at the foundations of US financial power. One can't survive without the other.Philip wrote:India warns ISIS could get nukes from Pakistan
https://www.rt.com/news/263681-isis-get-nukes-pakistan/Spotted this gem elsewhere:Published time: 31 May, 2015
Hatf IX (NASR) missile being fired during a test at an undisclosed location in Pakistan (Reuters / Pakistan Military Inter Services Public Relations (ISPR) via Reuters TV / Handout) / Reuters
India is concerned that Islamic State militants (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) could get their hands on a nuclear weapon from its regional foe and fellow nuclear power Pakistan.
Indian Defense Minister Rao Inderjit voiced the concerns at the sidelines of the Shangri-La regional security conference in Singapore on Saturday.
"With the rise of ISIS in West Asia, one is afraid to an extent that perhaps they might get access to a nuclear arsenal from states like Pakistan,” he said, as cited by Bloomberg.
Earlier this month, IS said in its propaganda magazine Dabiq it could obtain a nuke from “states like Pakistan.”
"The Islamic State has billions of dollars in the bank, so they call on their wilāyah [official] in Pakistan to purchase a nuclear device through weapons dealers with links to corrupt officials in the region," the article read.
Although even the article says the scenario is “far-fetched” and political analysts regard the possibility as unlikely.
Pakistan as well as India rank poorly in terms of nuclear security. According to the Nuclear Threat Initiative (NTI) nuclear materials security index, out of 25 countries Pakistan comes 22nd while India is 23rd.
READ MORE: Nukes within a year? ISIS magazine boasts they can be bought in Pakistan
Terrorism, the majority driven by Islamic extremism, has killed more than 55,000 people in Pakistan since 2001, which has given rise to concerns about the security of its nuclear arsenal.
Pakistan is also one of the few countries that is increasing its nuclear arsenal. US think tank the Council on Foreign Relations believes it has 100-120 warheads compared to India’s 90-100 and is developing a nuclear submarine capable of carrying nuclear missiles.
The Pakistani nuclear program began in the early 1970s in response to India developing its own atomic weapons, and in 1998 they successfully tested five nuclear devices becoming the seventh nuclear power in the world.Fearing for his life and that of his regime, King Salman of Saudi Arabia checked into a hospital claiming severe Alzheimer’s disease while his son, the real power, Defense Minister and Crown Prince Salman flew to Russia where, according to Pentagon and Russian sources he offered the surrender of his regime. As the rather crude Arab saying goes “one day the stick is in your hand, the next day it is in your ass.” In effect, the Saudi prince bent over and offered Russia control of the oil market in exchange for his regime’s survival. To sweeten the pot, Salman offered to pay for the two French made Mistral helicopter carriers that Egypt is buying after France was forced to cancel the sale to Russia.
The Russians agreed with the Saudis that some sort of “political settlement,” including the end of the fake terrorist ISIS caliphate, was needed.
The other Middle Eastern autocrat who is in a deep state of funk is Turkey’s President Erdogan. The Pentagon is withdrawing all its forces and anti-missile defenses from Turkey as part of its general disengagement from the region. The only thing they insist on, and will continue to get, is regular gasoline supplies for their fuel guzzling military engine.
Erdogan has been caught bombing Kurds in his own country, stealing industrial infrastructure from Syria, working with Israel and generally being an anti-social trouble maker. As payback, the Rothschild pipelines carrying Syrian and Iraqi stolen oil through Turkey are being cut off by the Russians and Kurds.
“I want to be honest, we barely have any doubt that at least a considerable part of these weapons will fall into the terrorists’ hands,” Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said in an interview with NTV channel.
Still no solid confirmation on the 50t drop but this confirms that the drop(if there was one) is not based on any Russo-US join work/understanding.In an email to the Associated Press, the US anti-IS military headquarters denied they provided direct support to the Kurdish forces in Syria over the last week. At the same time, Kurdish official Mustafa Bali residing in the northern Syrian city of Kobani informed the AP that the US had delivered 120 tons of weapons and ammunition to the People's Protection Units (YPG) of the Kurdish militia fighting IS.
Bali was unable to specify whether the supplies were airlifted or brought by land. The YPG has not returned calls from the AP.
Islamic State militants have lost "most" of their ammunition, heavy vehicles and equipment in Russian airstrikes, the Defense Ministry said Tuesday. At least 86 ISIS targets were hit during 88 sorties in the last 24 hours.
-added date of the report-“Russian airstrikes resulted in the elimination of the majority of ISIS ammunition, heavy vehicles and equipment,” the Defense Ministry tweeted.
