Understanding the United States of America (USA) - IV

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 28 Nov 2016 09:27

"desert cats" of the PMU near tal afar

https://twitter.com/IraqiSecurity/statu ... 7591413760

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 28 Nov 2016 10:08

Singha wrote:jelani cobb ‏@jelani9 Nov 26
I'm perplexed by American contempt for Castro given that we've supported and funded Trujillo, Mobutu, Batista, Pinochet, Duvalier...

business interests. we are a capitalist society.

why does India work with Qatar, UAE, Saudi Arabia? and why do so many of its citizens live and work there thus enabling those states?

and why aren't they living and working in Cuba?

ssundar · Post by **ssundar** » 28 Nov 2016 10:15

Dipanker wrote: You are absolutely right, recount is not going to change anything. However if there are doubts in people's mind about the integrity of the process, and given the closeness and complete unexpected nature of the outcome, you can be sure that there are going to be doubting Thomases, in such case recount helps answer all questions and settle the issue. It also enhances the credibility of the process.

Exhibit A: The recount is requested by a person who has no tangible gain from the recount at all. She is at best a bystander. The only "change", if it is possible, will be in favor of a person who is reputed for crooked manipulation of outcomes in her favor with the help of shadow operators. What gives us the confidence that the results won't change? Occam's Razor says the series of events must have been put in place precisely because the players have strong assurance that the outcome will change.

Exhibit B: The original outcome was not unexpected. The polls were always within the margin of error. Exit polls have been widely wrong throughout the world because of various reasons including possibly that the dissenting voter has habitually told the pollster the "popular" answer rather than the truth. USA is not the only place where this has happened.

Exhibit C: Based on Exhibit A and B, it is too naive to expect a candidate as smart and manipulative as HRC to walk into a recount if the probability of her losing all over again is very high. They have more to gain if they gently go into the sunset than risk getting the reputation as a Sore Loser(wo)man. HRC did not get where she is by making righteous stands or taking chances. Her path has always been paved with a certainty that multiple columns of footsoldiers guaranteed.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 28 Nov 2016 10:32

"work with" (for lack of better options) is different from "owning our SOB" or "regime change".

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 28 Nov 2016 11:12

National Debt Under Obama : How Much Did Obama Add to the Nation's Debt?

https://www.thebalance.com/national-deb ... ma-3306293

brar_w · Post by **brar_w** » 28 Nov 2016 15:44

Rishi Verma wrote:
brar_w wrote:.....
If you think that you got two lousy candidates this election cycle, wait till you see what is likely to happen if the election was decided purely on popular vote. Don't be so naive to think that the two major parties won't change their primary process to reflect the new GE reality if that were the case.
SirJi, in all humility may I kindly remind you that you were majorly wrong in the current election, nothing's likely to change in short or long term regarding US election laws. I did ask a professional about what's going to happen, I checked with my astrologer in Varanasi, he sez Trump will win the next election as well.

Trump can't compete in 2024. I was talking about the next election where you have both new candidates from both sides as described in the first paragraph of my post.

nothing's likely to change in short or long term regarding US election laws.

That's exactly what I am saying as well. It is not going to change, and it shouldn't.

habal · Post by **habal** » 28 Nov 2016 16:49

ha ha ha .. mazaa aa gya

these folks including their biraders at CNN had so much vested interest riding on Hillary that it still seems unreal.
there was no attempt at even hedging the bets by throwing two shekels in Trump's direction.
It seems they all believed that the 'fix was in' and there was no need to.
what supreme confidence !! now busted.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 28 Nov 2016 17:04

DT now started counter attack.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fac ... y-clinton/

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/ ... ally-tweet

While Soros is spending millions for the recounts, DT is just tweeting. No cost and maximum effect.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 28 Nov 2016 18:30

TSJones wrote:and why aren't they living and working in Cuba?

I think you set yourself up on that one. Buy a ticket, visit Cuba. No hope of seeing Havana free on a flight from New York or Houston to Miami any more like they used to do in the 1960s. I bet the first tea-coffee shop you see at the airport is run/staffed by Injuns. Specifically, one from Kerala or Gujarat.

I was going to remark on the Levant thread that the pic of "Iraqi Special Forces", specifically guy 2nd from right (IIRC) looks Indian, not Arab, with 90% probability.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 28 Nov 2016 18:39

This drama never ends. This is what happens when you vote for a reality show host and give him a crook to fry.

https://www.rt.com/usa/368406-trump-for ... oundation/

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... vestigate/

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 28 Nov 2016 19:04

trumpulla now claims that he only lost the popular vote because millions of illegals voted.

but of course, that is to be just dismissed because trump is trump or whatever that logic is supposed to be...

habal · Post by **habal** » 28 Nov 2016 19:26

today FBI dropped bombshell on Obama & Hillary.

Until now Obama had always claimed that he came to know of Hillary's email accounts and server business through the media reports.

Well, in recently declassified FBI interviews codenamed #302, which came from clinton aide Huma Abedin, who told FBI investigators that everytime Hillary changed her personal email address, they would update the White House so that Obama could continue to receive Hillary Clinton's emails on his 'high security' devices including his blackberry.

This is contrary to Obama's claim that he knew otherwise, and all of Hillary's Clintons clandestine email operations were by keeping Obama in loop.

Suresh S · Post by **Suresh S** » 28 Nov 2016 19:31

https://youtu.be/1voyCPjJXcw

No words just watch this. If this lady becomes sec of state world will be a better place tomorrow than it is today

Suresh S · Post by **Suresh S** » 28 Nov 2016 19:37

https://youtu.be/P_hdTi3Gstc

habal · Post by **habal** » 28 Nov 2016 19:41

Obama lied to the world when he said on CBS news that he came to know about Hillary's email servers through the media.

In October, Barak Obama used a pseudonym to communicate with Hillary Clinton.

now Huma Abedin's revelations to FBI reveal that he knew of every email change in Hillary's server of her email id.
6 email id's changed in this entire period.
WH was updated everytime.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuH0pC9hMp0

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 28 Nov 2016 19:53

UlanBatori wrote:
TSJones wrote:and why aren't they living and working in Cuba?

I think you set yourself up on that one. Buy a ticket, visit Cuba. No hope of seeing Havana free on a flight from New York or Houston to Miami any more like they used to do in the 1960s. I bet the first tea-coffee shop you see at the airport is run/staffed by Injuns. Specifically, one from Kerala or Gujarat.
/quote]

oh prolly just oodles of them too, what would cuba do w/o them?

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 28 Nov 2016 20:25

^Absolutely. Glad you have Seen Da Light.

ssundar · Post by **ssundar** » 28 Nov 2016 20:35

Yagnasri wrote:This drama never ends. This is what happens when you vote for a reality show host and give him a crook to fry.

https://www.rt.com/usa/368406-trump-for ... oundation/

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... vestigate/

Saar, many countries would be happy to do this investigation if POTUS assures no interference. Heck, some would even pay Trump Foundation just for the privilege.

This ain't no slow rice-cooking vegetarian Modi. Instant roasting of bacon onlee.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 28 Nov 2016 21:35

Sorry to post personal stuff. There is an active shooter situation in Ohio State Univ. I have relatives there. News would be appreciated.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 28 Nov 2016 21:42

shiv wrote:Sorry to post personal stuff. There is an active shooter situation in Ohio State Univ. I have relatives there. News would be appreciated.

https://www.rt.com/usa/368452-ohio-stat ... e-shooter/

A suspect dead, 7+ injured in Ohio State University attack

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 28 Nov 2016 21:46

SeeEnnEnn says 8 injured, 1 critical. Not specified about the shooter's disposition.

"Watts Hall is the university's materials science and engineering building.
OSU senior Anthony Falzarano, 22, said he was in class at the time of the shooting.
"We heard a lot of sirens. I was in class and everyone got a text message at the same time for the emergency alert," he told CNN. "Someone said they heard popping right before we got the alert, but I didn't hear it. We are in a shelter-in-place right now in the building next door. "

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/28/us/ohio-s ... index.html

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 28 Nov 2016 21:49

29 mins ago:
UPDATE: 9 people transported from OSU to area hospitals; 8 stabilized, 1 in critical condition, reports @10TV http://cbsn.ws/2fIM2Sf

10 mins ago:
CBS News ‏@CBSNews 9m9 minutes ago
UPDATE: 1 suspect has been shot and killed, police say. However, the active shooter situation remains ongoing at OSU http://cbsn.ws/2fIM2Sf

2 minutes ago:
UPDATE: Two people have been brought out in handcuffs after active shooter reported on OSU campus http://cbsn.ws/2fIM2Sf

Now (ABC News) Suspect dead.

(No idea why 2 other people would be brought out in handcuffs.. Maybe tried to steal computers when everyone ran)

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 28 Nov 2016 21:57

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 28 Nov 2016 22:04

Unusual advice:

Former DC Homicide Detective Rod Wheeler to people on Ohio State University campus: Shelter in place and keep your phone on silent

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Nov 2016 22:07

Guys Thanksgiving is over i.e. 20 days after election was held.

I would like to stop further discussion on the election as nothing more is being added except nursing grievances.

So no more Trump-HRC election discussion.

Thanks,
ramana

Next one after this post gets one week ban.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 28 Nov 2016 22:23

AoA! OSU shooter situation saves some BRF postors.
Ohio State says shelter-in-place warning is lifted and scene is secure after active shooter report, injuries.

"Run, hide, fight" is standard protocol for active shooter situations. It means: Run, evacuate if possible; Hide, get silently out of view; or Fight, as a last resort, take action to disrupt or incapacitate the shooter if your life is in imminent danger.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 28 Nov 2016 22:47

Thanks Yak Herder and others. Meanwhile I heard that the people I was referring to are safe - one is apparently actually in Chile of all places - at 4 inches distance from OSU on the atlas . Sad to hear about the injured.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Nov 2016 23:09

Shiv, Looks like one suspect dead and 8-9 injured. Here is a report but worse than NDTV reporting...

http://nbc4i.com/2016/11/28/active-shoo ... su-campus/

ssundar · Post by **ssundar** » 29 Nov 2016 00:55

Do we know yet whether the attacker has religion or not?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 Nov 2016 01:07

Yes. He is a Somali origin attacker.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 Nov 2016 01:09

BTW, for folks who want to continue destructive wallowing on the US elections, even Rajiv Malhotra has been suggesting that US identity should be studied by Indians to understand US.

We have been doing that since at-least 2008.

Lilo's poll predicted that Trump will win.
Way better than any pollster or betting markets.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 29 Nov 2016 01:24

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories ... -reax.html
Ohio State attack: Violence quickly galvanizes into political controversy

Virginia Sen. Tim Kaine, Hillary Clinton's running mate, tweeted that he was "deeply saddened by the senseless act of gun violence at Ohio State this morning. Praying for the injured and the entire Buckeye community."

That drew fire from Rep. Niraj Antani of suburban Dayton: "But not saddened by the senseless act of machete or car violence?"

Although initial reports referred to an "active shooter" at Ohio State, the latest information is that the suspect drove a car into a crowd and then jumped out with a large knife. He was shot and killed by OSU police.

Columbus Police Chief Kim Jacobs say there is no indication the suspect had a gun.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 Nov 2016 01:26

Yeah Google was saying Democrats jump in about gun violence on the OSU case without waiting to hear the details.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 29 Nov 2016 02:01

Ohio State Terrorist Attack

Pakistani connection in 3...2...1...

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/sus ... ck-n689076

Law enforcement officials told NBC News the suspect's name is Abdul Artan, an 18-year-old student at the university. He was a Somali refugee who left his homeland with his family in 2007, lived in Pakistan and then came to the United States in 2014 as a legal permanent resident of the United States, officials said.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 29 Nov 2016 02:07

ramana wrote:
Lilo's poll predicted that Trump will win.
Way better than any pollster or betting markets.

My understanding of that poll was that it was not meant to be a prediction of the actual results, but an assessment of opinions amongst BRF posters regarding whom we would like to see win the US election.

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=7272

viewtopic.php?p=2063882#p2063882

ramana wrote:538 poll is who will win?
This poll is who do you want to win?
Different no?

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 29 Nov 2016 02:27

Niall Ferguson (citing Kissinger) sees the emergence of a New Trump World Order

http://www.the-american-interest.com/20 ... rld-order/

Kissinger’s recommendations to Trump may be summarized as follows:

1. Do not go all-out into a confrontation with China, whether on trade or the South China Sea. Rather, seek “comprehensive discussion” and aim to pursue that policy of dialogue and “co-evolution” recommended in World Order. Kissinger sees the Chinese President, Xi Jinping, quite regularly. When he says that Xi regards “confrontation as too dangerous” and thinks that “adversarial countries must become partners and cooperate on a win-win basis,” he speaks with authority. The questions the Chinese want to ask the new President, according to Kissinger, are these: “If we were you, we might try to suppress your rise. Do you seek to suppress us? If you do not, what will the world look like when we are both strong, as we expect to be?” Trump needs to have answers to these questions. The alternative, as Kissinger has said repeatedly, is for the United States and China to talk past each other until they stumble into 1914 in the Pacific, not to mention in cyberspace.

2. Given a weakened, traumatized, post-imperial Russia, the recognition Putin craves is that of “a great power, as an equal, and not as a supplicant in an American-designed system.” Kissinger’s message to Trump is well calibrated to appeal to his instincts: “It is not possible to bring Russia into the international system by conversion. It requires deal-making, but also understanding.” The central deal, Kissinger argues, would turn Ukraine into “a bridge between NATO and Russia rather than an outpost of either side,” like Finland or Austria in the Cold War, “free to conduct its own economic and political relationships, including with both Europe and Russia, but not party to any military or security alliance.” Such a non-aligned Ukraine would also need to be decentralized, increasing the autonomy of the contested eastern regions, where there has been intermittent conflict since separatist movements received Russian support in the wake of the Crimean annexation. The alternative to such a deal is that we may inadvertently over-use our financial and military superiority, turning a post-Putin Russia into a vast version of Yugoslavia, “wracked by conflict stretching from St. Petersburg to Vladivostok.”

3. Treat Brexit as an opportunity to steer the continental Europeans away from bureaucratic introspection and back to strategic responsibility. (“They’re talking about tactical matters while they’re in the process of giving up the essence of . . . what they’ve represented throughout history.”)

4. Make peace in Syria rather as we made peace in the former Yugoslavia nearly twenty years ago. Kissinger now recommends a “cantonization” of Syria similar to the federalization of Bosnia under the Washington and Dayton agreements, with an “off-ramp for Assad” lasting around a year, all under the “supervision” of the interested outside powers. Iran must be contained, much as the Soviet Union was in the Cold War, because it poses a similar threat, acting as both an imperial state and a revolutionary cause. But keep the Iran agreement because to abandon it now “would free Iran from more constraints than it would free the United States.” And finally take advantage of the new-found, albeit tacit, anti-Iranian and anti-ISIS alignment of the Arab states with Israel to achieve a new kind of Arab-sponsored peace deal that would “improve the lives of Palestinians to the greatest extent possible, perhaps including quasi-sovereignty . . . that is, de facto autonomy without a legalistic superstructure.”

Read it all onlee. Ferguson predicts a "US-Russia-China" tripartite arrangement. Japan and Germany would be the biggest losers in this Trump WO; Brazil, India, and South Africa (divested from BRICS and no longer able to take advantage of globalization) would be the second-biggest losers.

Suresh S · Post by **Suresh S** » 29 Nov 2016 02:59

And we all should listen to and follow exactly as prescribed by one of the key members of J syndicate and neocons . Sure.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 29 Nov 2016 03:14

AoA! Ohio State STUDENT dead after stabbing etc. Shot by PoliceAphsar Alan Horjuko

Ohio State University Student Dead After Driving Into Crowd, Stabbing People at OSU Campus. By EMILY SHAPIRO, Aaron Katersky, Josh Margolin, Nov 28, 2016, 4:25 PM ET

shot dead by police after he plowed into pedestrians with a car and then stabbed multiple people with a butcher's knife at the OSU campus in Columbus, Ohio, this morning, officials said. The scene is now secure, officials said.
Eleven people were transported to local hospitals, officials said.
OSU said in a statement that the "injuries include stab wounds, injury by motor vehicle and other injuries that are being evaluated." The university added that "facts are still being verified."

You can c pic of Abdul lying covered by a sheet on the sidewalk here

Officials believe they have identified Ohio State attacker as a man of Somali descent and legal permanent resident of US, sources say...Abdul Razak Ali Artan, an OSU student.. Officials said Artan was in a car alone when he struck about seven to eight pedestrians. The motive is not known at this time, officials said. Sources said authorities may have found a Facebook post written by the suspect that expressed grievances over attacks on Muslims.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 29 Nov 2016 03:22

snahata wrote:And we all should listen to and follow exactly as prescribed by one of the key members of J syndicate and neocons . Sure.

Who cares about what "we all" do?

As long as the syndicate and neocon members of Trump's transition team are listening... and there are many such members... that's all that matters.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 29 Nov 2016 03:34

Everything u didn't want to know about Abdul Artan
Third year in Logistics Management. Transferred from Columbus State U. in August. I guess one semester was enough.