Indian Sports and Entertainment Industry

[chetak]

WHAT A Match , playing with only 10 players India has beaten the britshits.

Winning moment from #INDvsGBR match u guys have nailed it !!!

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[AkshaySG]

Credit where it's due, Naveen Patnaik and Odisha's investment in Hockey Infrastructure and sponsorship has helped Indian Hockey recover from the dire 00s and early 2010s,

Now if each state could pick one sport and really invest time, money and Infra we could go in with so many more medal hopefuls

[AkshaySG]

One of the primary reasons Chinese, Koreans etc do so well in Olympics is that they have intense domestic competition just to make it to the Olympic team. The athletes go through so many rounds and so many do or die stages that they are prepared for the world by the time they get to Intl competitions.
Partly also why Indians do well in Math, Physics etc Olympiads because just making the Indian team is exceptionally difficult with competition.

The female Korean archer who won 3 golds in Tokyo and the golds at Asian games wasn't selected to Paris because she didn't do so well in domestic trials

Compare that to some of our wrestlers, boxers etc who basically want direct entry because they did well one time in Commonwealth or Asian games etc

[Suraj]

The reference to Chinese and Koreans have a large domestic pool of competitive athletes primarily focuses on the result of the system and not its creation and operation.

In order to have a tough domestic system, there has to be an apparatus that imbibes all the progress in sport and trains athletes in significant numbers to such an extent that there’s a large pool of battle hardened players being continuously produced .

For example, Chinese sportspeople go thru significant experience debriefs, where they outline what worked, what did not, what affected them and what benefited them. This goes into the training loop continuously covering the bases. Many of their top players spend a decade or two after retirement coaching . Li Yongbo in badminton and Wang Hao / Ma Lin in TT are examples.

Situations like the shooters choking is a training loop problem requiring honest debriefs, planned training and coaching response and testing how to harden athletes. It’s not an unfixable issue with the Indian psyche or anything - just a signal of weak training and mental conditioning systems.

In India badminton has this to an extent under Vimal Kumar, Padukone and Gooichand but that’s still not well organized enough . Other sports have little . There’s no institutionalized accumulation of knowledge and experience. This means that every Mary Kom, Nikhat Zareen, Lovlina , Vijender or Sushil Kumar are solitary products compared to how things work elsewhere.

Building such a system requires investment over sustained periods of time, but immediate results can be had at least at the Asian level becuase we are already that good . But this is necessary - ar some point India can’t be a great power unless we can also demonstrate the athletic power of the Indian people.

These Olympics are a strong signal on two things:
* we have a lot of depth that can go almost up to medal contention in at least half a dozen Olympic events. As recently as 2-3 OGs ago we got medals from lone wolf efforts , not a system generating results.
* we will generally fail in almost all of them right now because our athletes have not been trained to cross this bar yet. It’s a major leap to go from 30AG golds to ~5 OG golds.

In effect our Olympics performance is broadly where our Asian games performance was 15 years ago . I think Khelo India will dramatically improve our performance in the next AG and potentially the next OG . But it will require multiplying investments and commitments by 5-10x over the present .

[SBajwa]

Australia and Belgium are out.

India vs Germany
Spain vs. Netherlands

I am still very skeptical

[S_Madhukar]

I think we will be slow climbers in Olympics. As society becomes more disciplined and professional say with manufacturing jobs etc that will seep into sports as well.

But schools are where it should start and most of city schools have terrible sports infrastructure. Smaller towns have more space and a bit more relaxed lifestyle where talent can be groomed

Approach should be to consistently be in top N of all sports participation in Olympics and then take it from there. Meanwhile I expect goras to keep introducing their new sports like breakdancing, paddle tennis and what not!

China still sucks at football but they will go to any lengths to procure diaspora talent whether in AI or sports
But at the same time they can be very creative in their fields of excellence. Like in TT they have regular men vs women tournaments to mix it up and make them more challenging.

Finally man look at their lifestyles and our sports people. Just taking trains in Mumbai is an Olympics level challenge!

[SBajwa]

As long as hockey was played on grass and with old rules we won all. Then Europeans shifted and changed the hockey with Astroturf and other rules. Now we are slowly climbing up beating them at their own rules. Indian hockey must get into IHF to control like cricket in order to succeed.

I am very skeptical that India will get a medal in Hockey this Olympics.

[Suraj]

The changes around hockey are not unique . Table tennis has continuously evolved too. It used to be that Chinese used strange rubbers of the same color on both sides to confuse others. They banned that and made the two colors distinct . Then various rule changes to prevent trick serving . Then a larger 40mm ball to slow the game down, and a Euro friendly speed glue era that the Chinese soon mastered.

The point is Europeans trying to skew sport is nothing new. If we are sufficiently motivated we can keep up with it .

[ricky_v]

how in the hell did spain beat belgium, that too in a straight game without any penalty shoot out??
they qualified last from their group against france and saffa; if germany and netherlands wins in sf, i see no reason why we cannot beat spain for the bronze

[Yayavar]

Upsets happen all the time. 1983 India beat West Indies shocking themselves.
Let's hope India beats Germany

[chetak]

[AkshaySG]

Was looking for a similar protest from the Boxing Federation on the injustice dealt to Nishant but seems they are silent.

Anyway two more 4th placed finishes, Two more bronze medals just missed, Lakshya goes down 1-2 and Mixed Skeet team loses 43-44

[tandav]

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/08/05/chin ... index.html

Chinese Swim team upends the Caucasian Dominance in Swimming as a sport at the olympics

Swimming was a sport dominated by USA, France, Britain, USSR, Spain etc

Today the Chinese sports machine has upended another bastion and their dominance will only increase as time progresses.

India has a long way to go to create a competent sports ecosystem. We have to start today and unearth talent and hone their skills. Chess has shown the way. We need to up our own game.

Sports prowess shows organizational excellence. Those cultures that do well in sports are also very good at achieving great things in things that require dedication, immense focused effort, discipline and patience. Chinese competence in Sport is also reflected in their growing competence in technology.

We need to gird up for the challenge ahead.

[sum]

^ Seems we will end up lower than 2020 medal count, going by the remaining realistic chances
( I had thought we would finally reach double digits but seems we are still some way away from it and being consistent at it)

Chinese Swim team upends the Caucasian Dominance in Swimming as a sport at the olympics

Swimming was a sport dominated by USA, France, Britain, USSR, Spain etc

Today the Chinese sports machine has upended another bastion and their dominance will only increase as time progresses.

Hat tip to the Chinese for really going after each of the bastions one by one and slowly taking them over without any excuses.
Also, a hat-tip to Great Britain for achieving such bang for buck in their selected disciplines and punching well above their weight

[SRajesh]

Sumji
All look at the Medal tally but fail to look at the dedication and the support team put in place.
Imagine getting up in sunny Newcastle everyday at 5.00AM to hit the pool for daily practice!!
Its not all gobermint money in UK One thing good is the lottery money funding that goes into quite a few of these.
This has built up a support system to be put in place.
As some in the forum suggested every state should adopt a sport and encourage it and provide support!!
Mallakambha is a big thing in Maharastra why cant they take the plunge to gymnastics
BAdminton Teleangana
Boxing/Wrestling Haryana/Punjab
Shooting Delhi
Siddi's in Karnataka to promote athletics
Coastal states for rowing and sailing
canoeing/white water sports where there is natural resources available --Hill states and same for long distance running given elevation which builds up endurance.
Ethiopia built up long distance running on a local challenges hill running.

[S_Madhukar]

NE can take up archery … ask those Korean pastors to give recurve lessons and some funding

[Suraj]

These Olympics are so tiresome to watch. I've had enough of brave performances and quarterfinal losses + fourth place finishes. If those QF with assured medal for semi or 4th places translated to medals we'd be in double digits by now.

[chetak]

This is what is known as a genuine cock up and it is actually one of the very rare times that one is literally able to witness such a disaster in the making


What is this headline ....







As if the experience wasn't painful enough..

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[sum]

Some good news. Hopefully, taken to logical conlusion:

Add Vinesh Phogat's name to the list of stunning wrestling upsets at the Olympic Games. She pulled off what no wrestler could do at the Worlds or Olympics since 2017.

Japan's Yui Susaki seemed unbeatable with next-level offense, turns, and stellar defense. Susaki didn't concede a point at the 2020 Tokyo Olympics and only two matches at the World Championships lasted a full six minutes.

Vinesh later defeated Ukraine’s Oksana Livach 7-5 in the last-eight stage, who was seeded eighth at the competition, to move to the semifinals. The win meant Vinesh will contest in a medal bout.

[sum]

India's 'Golden Boy' Neeraj Chopra came up with a monster throw of 89.34m on Tuesday to entered the final of men's javelin throw event at the Paris Olympics 2024 in style. In the qualification round of Group B on Tuesday, Chopra recorded a breakthrough distance of 89.34m in his first attempt. This is Neeraj Chopra's season best throw. He fell agonisingly short of the personal best of 89.94m, which is also the Indian national record.

[Ankit Desai]

What a marvelous win by Vinesh. The plan executed to fullest.

Neeraj came, he threw and qualified with 89.34m with first attempt.

-Ankit

[Ankit Desai]

Vinesh has assured a medal !

What a fighter.

-Ankit

[SRajesh]

Just watched Vinesh win her semi final match
Go girl!!

[sum]

And a silver/gold at that!

[ricky_v]

Good match of hockey between India and Germany, tough match though we kept up intensity till the last shot of the match at the hooter, only could not convert enough, but if keep this up against Spain in the bronze match, that should be ours no question

[Suraj]

Vinesh Phogat vs Yui Susaki was an astonishing upset on the lines of Alexander Karelin finally losing a match. Susaki was undefeated in international competition across 7 years since late 2016, two world championships and an Olympics. Her professional win-loss record is something like 90-0 . She's only ever lost in Japanese domestic competition early in her career.

[SRajesh]

V Phogat disqualified for being overweight!!

[sum]

A reverse Uno if there was one!

How does one check weight after all the matches and not before ?

[Tanaji]

You have to make weight on both days of the competition. She made it on Day 1 but not on 2. More likely she was over weight coming into the competition on the border, dehydrated herself to make weight but obviously needs water to compete the next day.

A massive failure of her dietician and support staff

Amazingly people are blaming Modi as he caused this somehow. It takes away from their agenda…

[Tanaji]

And she has been hospitalised:

https://x.com/IndiaToday/status/1821094 ... CfPsg&s=19

So it lends credence to the theory.


Dietician need to be held accountable

[SRajesh]

All sorts of games are being added to Olympics
Why cant India push for : kabaddi, Mallakambh, Kho Kho these to be added.
We are pretty good in these sports and Goras are membersin the international federation of these sports
I mean if you can have BMX bike, surfing and vertical wall climbing as competitive sport in Olympics, the indian games are much more sportive and competitive team games

[hanumadu]

V Phogat disqualified for being overweight!!

Karma strikes back! She held the nation to ransom for the longest time. If she had shown the same resolve over the past ten years, she would have been much more successful by now. If they cut her hair to reduce weight, she could have shaved it too right, or cropped really close?

[Tanaji]

What I don’t understand is why was she targeting 50 kg class when her normal weight is 57 kg? I am aware everyone tries to go one class below, but 50 seems to be too less?

[chetak]

And she has been hospitalised:

https://x.com/IndiaToday/status/1821094 ... CfPsg&s=19

So it lends credence to the theory.


Dietician need to be held accountable

Tanaji saar,


the weight limit for the 50 kg class is 52 kgs

which means that she is actually 2.1 kgs above

her normal weight is around 57 kgs, give or take

she disregarded all advice and slept very little, ate one odd chapati, and drank as little water as possible in a desperate effort to control her weight. This had been going on for some months


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in actual fact, she couldn't bully any of the authorities in paris like she was habituated to doing in India


her punk of a husband had already started speaking ill of Modi ji and mocking him just before this disaster struck them. there are videos on the net


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this is not a sportspersons family but a opposition backed and caste/community led greedy political family out to maximize personal gain at all possible opportunities, come what may.


And BTW, this is not the first time that auntie was disqualified in an international event like the olympics

[hanumadu]

What I don’t understand is why was she targeting 50 kg class when her normal weight is 57 kg? I am aware everyone tries to go one class below, but 50 seems to be too less?

Her usual category is 53 kg. She lost in the trials of 53 kg but won 50 kg. If she had put this effort before the trials instead of wanting a free pass, she could have competed in her usual category. What's happening to her is her own Karma IMO.

[chetak]

What I don’t understand is why was she targeting 50 kg class when her normal weight is 57 kg? I am aware everyone tries to go one class below, but 50 seems to be too less?

Tanaji saar,

this is what happens when some "legend in her own mind" type of entitled rural princess, propped up by khatterpanthi khap panchayats, begin to believe their own hype and infallibility

Vinesh Phogat demanded Personal coach, Priyanka Phogat as Training Partner, 40 day Special Pvt Training with all in Budapest + Air Tickets & Local expenses + Pocket allowance in Budapest. #Modi Sarkar fulfilled all her UNDUE demands FOR NO REASON and she couldn't even keep her weight under control.

[SRajesh]

Chetakji
If that’s true then definitely Karma catches up
This type of mollycoddle should stop
No wonder this creates division in the team
Wonder if this was given just to stop her from accusing of harassment

[chetak]

Chetakji
If that’s true then definitely Karma catches up
This type of mollycoddle should stop
No wonder this creates division in the team
Wonder if this was given just to stop her from accusing of harassment

SRajesh saar,

This is how time changes, and this is how fate plays according to karma.

This is Prabhu's Lila.

Find a way on the right path, and you will surely succeed.




The family is focused more on politics than on practice, and in trying to bring down the GoI.

[chetak]

[chetak]

this is how phogat intimidated and also bullied the authorities in India with her vile tantrums









edited to post the fourth image which was not posted by oversight. Apologies