Internal Security Watch

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 10 Dec 2012 12:17

Congress buttheads in politics and media have been furiously trying to stoke a sense of Muslim victimhood over the last 2 weeks - with Babri Masjid anniversary and Modi -related cacophony !!

These guys sure know how to sink the country to oblivion. They've made steady progress on that goal over the last 3 years.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 10 Dec 2012 21:12

kish wrote:Beheading? I thought it is a middle eastern practice will not get into India.

Beheadings (or chopping the head of the neck) have happened for quite some time in India. I remember my father telling about an incident which happened in Rural Palakkad Dt. way back in late 1950s. Two pals, where one got drunk too high and in a fit of rage chopped of his friend's head. And then coming back to the senses walking down to the nearest PS (6 kms away) with the chopper and head in each hand. The station sentry got a shock of his life, and the Sub Inspector "strictly warned" the murderer to leave the chopper at the police station verandah before entering the rooms

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RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 10 Dec 2012 21:37

Wish it was the girl who did the honor killing

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 10 Dec 2012 22:46

Suggest people go and read Amaresh's Mishra's diatribe on TOI, especially the comments...

Amaresh Mishra's hallucinations - part 4

The author Amaresh has participated in the comments section and gone on to threaten those who disagree with him. Nevertheless, interesting viewpoints, on how far some people will go to protect the interests of a certain community.

Kati · Post by **Kati** » 11 Dec 2012 02:14

http://dailypioneer.com/nation/114507-n ... rable.html

No lessons learnt, Indo-Bangla border still vulnerable

MONDAY, 10 DECEMBER 2012 00:51 KUMAR CHELLAPPAN | CHENNAI

The 2,429 km long India-Bangladesh border and stretches in Jammu which borders Pakistan are as open and as unsafe as the goalpost of the Indian football team. The regions are paradise for smugglers specialised in smuggling cows and pharmaceuticals.

The jawans of the Border Security Force guarding the border with Bangladesh are being held in a tight leash by the government and human right activists. Terrorist organisations like Lashkar-e-Tayyaba, Jayesh-e-Mohammed and others with headquarters in Pakistan operate through the safe India-Bangladesh border in West Bengal and Assam. These were the observations made by a group of professionals and students from Tamil Nadu who toured the region last fortnight.

“A vast stretch of the India-Bangladesh border remains unguarded. The BSF jawans do not have basic facilities and instruments for surveillance. They are under strict orders from the government not to open fire at the illegal immigrants who cross the borders for nefarious activities,” Geddi Govindan Chandrasekaran (35), a software engineer from Chennai told The Pioneer.

Chandra and nearly 200 youth from Tamil Nadu toured the west, north and eastern borders of the country for an on the spot assessment. The tour was facilitated by Forum for Integrated National Security (FINS) an organisation promoted by retired defence personnel and civil servants to create an awareness about the grim situation in the country’s borders.

Even the untrained eyes and minds of Chandra and his friends could pick up the disturbing trends in the 150 km long border in the North 24 Pargana district in West Bengal. “We visited Basirhat, a small town and five villages along the border. The villages have the same name, Sahebkhali and are known by their numbers. Bangladeshi smugglers and anti-social elements trespass into the villages and steal the cattle, mainly cows. Since there is a distance of more than 100 meters between each house, the villagers can never seek the help of their neighbours when the Bangladeshi thieves make their night rounds. On an average, they steal more than 100 cows from the border villages every night,” said Chandra.

The cows find their way to slaughter houses in Bangladesh where they are killed and the halal meat is exported to the west Asian countries. Most of the modern slaughter houses in Bangladesh survive on cows stolen and smuggled from India. “Officers of the BSF told us that they have been instructed not to open fire at the smugglers or illegal immigrants. The human right activists and civil liberty movements are not worried over illegal immigration or smuggling. There are village heads offering to help the illegal migrants to get Indian citizenship. Villagers in Bithipada village told us that Rupashi Mondal, a village head, arranges citizenship, ration card and plots of land for illegal immigrants,” said Chandra.

There is severe shortage of coins in these villages. “Bangladeshi smugglers collect all Indian coins and send it across the border where it is melted to make blades. It is a profitable venture because of the quality of the metal,” he said. The Bangladeshi smugglers and infiltrators use all the dirty games to hoodwink the BSF jawans, they said. “One of the BSF commanders told us that the infiltrators have deployed call girls to lure the jawans. Since the jawans are not given leave for visiting their families, they fall easy prey to the glamour of the females pushed from across the border,” said Chandra. He pointed out that the BSF jawans work without break or holidays for two years.

Kashi Venkataranan Sivaraman (27), an electrical engineer, led a 200 member team to Jammu and foun that the situation was no different in the north western border. “The border regions could be reached only by walking. We had to walk 15 km per day to reach villages like Bobia, Kirolkrishna and Chakra. There is no public transport to these villages. The villages remain without power and primary health centres,” said Siva.

He said Pakistani Rangers routinely fire at the Indian villagers without any provocation and many deaths have been reported The entire villages close to the border do not have power or primary health centres. “What is disturbing is that our BSF jawans are sitting ducks to Pakistani firing. They do not have proper cover up while moving from one bunker to another,” said Siva. Since the border in the western front is under observation, the terrorists based in Pakistan and Afghanistan are using the eastern border to infiltrate into India, he said.

The India -Bangladesh border along Meghalaya is similar to the one in 24 North Parganas, said Dillaraja (33), an administrative officer from a private engineering college in Chennai. “The jawans are caught between devil and deep sea syndrome. If they fire at illegal immigrants, smugglers or terrorists, they are put into hardships like departmental enquiries and disciplinary proceedings. All they are allowed to do is to politely elicit information from the infiltrators,” said Dilliraja.

Siva, Chandra and Dilliraja are preparing a note on what they have seen and experienced to the handed over to the FINS for furher action. “The report will reflect what the ordinary eyes saw in the country’s borders and the situation is grim,” they said.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 11 Dec 2012 07:07

Anindya wrote:Suggest people go and read Amaresh's Mishra's diatribe on TOI, especially the comments...

Amaresh Mishra's hallucinations - part 4

The author Amaresh has participated in the comments section and gone on to threaten those who disagree with him. Nevertheless, interesting viewpoints, on how far some people will go to protect the interests of a certain community.

Amaresh Mishra is India's answer to Zaid Hamid...

sum · Post by **sum** » 11 Dec 2012 08:13

Sleeper cells have increased in Delhi, says police

Sleeper cells, the insidious and faceless information gathering attack modules of terror groups, have seen a major rise in numbers in the Indian capital after the Dec 13, 2001, parliament attack, say Delhi Police sources.

"Yes, sleeper cells are present in the capital, no doubt about that," Special Commissioner of Police P.N. Aggrawal (Special cell) told IANS. "They have developed skills and the technology to give police the slip, but it's not such a hard nut to crack," Aggrawal said.

Pakistani-American David Coleman Headley, who conspired with the Lashkar-e-Taiba to launch the 2008 Mumbai attacks, was a member of the LeT sleeper cell.

A sleeper cell consists of secret agents who receive specialised training in their home countries or states and are then "assigned" to assimilate themselves into the targeted country's or area's culture and society.

These sleeper agents may spend years as faceless people, including as students or traders, till they suddenly receive orders from their overseas handlers to either commit an act of terrorism or provide aid to those carrying out the act.

Individual members of a sleeper cell may not even be aware of each other - a vital way of protecting the identity of the others during police interrogations.

Each cell operates under a terrorist group or organisation.

It is only when a blast takes place that police come to know about the sleeper cell that was quietly providing the inputs over months, or maybe years.

"The five Pakistani terrorists who were killed by Indian security personnel during the attack on parliament had been given inputs for the operation by members of such sleeper cells," senior police officer Ashok Chand, the then Deputy Commissioner of Police (Special Cell), told IANS.

Chand was the officer who led the operation to crack the case and the terror module behind the parliament attack. They cracked the case within a week and named four people, Mohammad Afzal, Shaukat Hussain Guru, S.A.R. Geelani and Navjot Sandhu, as having been behind the conspiracy. Police arrested the four from different places in the country.

While Afzal has been awarded the death sentence, Navjot Sandhu alias Afsan Guru was let off, and her husband Shaukat Hussain's death sentence was reduced to 10 years' imprisonment and he is now out of jail. Delhi University professor Geelani was also let off later.

Aggrawal, when asked, did not specifically say if sleeper cell numbers had increased in Delhi after the parliament attack.

"Their existence might have increased in the past years," he said.

However, another officer who did not want to be named, told IANS: "Their existence has increased greatly after the parliament attack."

Grim stuff

member_23686 · Post by **member_23686** » 11 Dec 2012 18:26

after the above post of border and sleeper cells...

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kittoo wrote:I personally feel very insecure about how much Hindus care for their identity. Today it was discussed in the assembly elections thread that the new census data might reveal that now only 75% of the population is Hindu. I was having this discussion with a friend of mine, and I was telling her how at this rate Hindus might become minority within some 50 years, and she replied point blank that she will convert to any other religion, at that time, if it meant a somewhat peaceful life. I cant even express how it made me feel. On one hand she recognizes that she might have problems if Hindus are a minority and she is a Hindu, but still on the other hand she thinks all the religions are same. When I probed her further, she said the same trite phrase that Hindus keep using- 'How does it matter with what name I call God?'
How does that make any sense. On one hand somewhere deep down you yourself know that a Hindu minority will not be a good situation for Hindus, yet you keep spouting that you dont care about religion and its OK? If that's not simple 'not facing the truth', then what is?

and

brihaspati wrote:"She" has deeper and subconscious reasons to say so. If her religion was more "masculine", more robust and dominating like some of the other religions she thinks of converting into - then there would be no problem at all. An old observation from Eric Hoffer - coercion works much better than persuasion in intensifying ideological devotion in a mass-movement.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 11 Dec 2012 18:37

The only thing is forget Hinduism, be it Kashmir or Pakistan or N Kerala, people who are very agressive to Hinduism become very submissive to ROP, who generally take pound of flesh in blood and loot. then there the secterial violence a.k.a in Pakistan. If current trend follows - may be Pakistani Punjab and Sindh model will be folowed with a trailing period 50 to 150 years.

kish · Post by **kish** » 11 Dec 2012 19:02

Terror strike possible from LeT, IM: home ministry

Pakistan-based terrorist outfit Lashkar-e-Taiba and Indian Mujahidin and two Sikh militant groups have threatened to carry out terror acts in India, Lok Sabha was informed on Tuesday.

"The available intelligence inputs indicate abiding interest of militant outfits like LeT, IM,
Babbar Khalsa International and Khalistan Tiger Force to carry out terrorist violence in India," Minister of State for Home R P N Singh said.

Terror strike threat from Lashkar-e-Taiba, IM, Babbar Khalsa

Pakistan-based terrorist outfit Lashkar-e-Taiba and Indian Mujahidin and two Sikh militant groups have threatened to carry out terror acts in India, Lok Sabha was informed on Tuesday.

"The available intelligence inputs indicate abiding interest of militant outfits like LeT, IM, Babbar Khalsa International and Khalistan Tiger Force to carry out terrorist violence in India," Minister of State for Home R P N Singh said.

member_23252 · Post by **member_23252** » 11 Dec 2012 20:10

Another case of love Jihad.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 19 Dec 2012 10:21

Rs 100 crore lost as 7 aircraft go up in flames in Hyderabad

http://newindianexpress.com/nation/article1385319.ece

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 19 Dec 2012 10:41

And complete Media silence on the waste of 100 crore, YSR heli burnt? 2 CM bought the same copter at the same time. ONe Vasudhra Raje Sinha- who massively critisised for wasting state funds while complete silence was there on AP CM purchase

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 21 Dec 2012 00:34

Indian express defence correspondent talks about a deal with the italians by Sonia Gandhi, Manmohan Singh & co. The marines in exchange for corruption cover up.
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/chopadeal/1026369/0

https://twitter.com/manupubby

India bought x amount of helis for VVIPs. There is a corruption probe going on against augusta westland in italy, in which some people have been arrested in relation to the deal. Our oh oh clean defence minister urf coverup specialist, has said that there will be no probe until Italy officially sends a report, basically bury it. Then our clean PM and EAM made a deal that Italy will refuse to make the report public in exchange for the marines.

The marines will be released in the following fashion. The marines are out on bail. There is some 6 crores of guarentee against them. Khursid agreed to send them home because it is "festive time". These 6 crores will be used as blood money.

Manu Pubby ‏@manupubby
Had been warned by an insider a month back that the back channels were working for a corruption probe vs marines deal with Italy. Lets see..
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6h Navdeep Singh ‏@SinghNavdeep
.@manupubby Backroom deal seems unlikely since the judiciary is involved in the issue, unless the prosecution itself supported the plea.
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6h Manu Pubby ‏@manupubby
@SinghNavdeep Central government said in court tht Italy's plea be considered. As it is, decision left on govt to actually release them.
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6h Navdeep Singh ‏@SinghNavdeep
@manupubby Perhaps not upto the govt to release them, but to let them leave our shores.
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5h Manu Pubby ‏@manupubby
@SinghNavdeep Correct. They are already on bail. Also interesting is what the SC decides on a plea to transfer the case to Italy.
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Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 21 Dec 2012 21:32

Had heard about this incident a few months ago - does anyone know, if there was any follow-up or prosecution of Tytler?

Odisha clash: Assaulted by mob, woman cop still in shock

The Odisha City policewoman, Pramila Padhi, who was brutally beaten up by protesting Congress workers on Thursday, lies limp on a private hospital bed in Bhubaneswar battling shock and trauma.

Her fault? She was doing her duty of protecting a woman Congress leader. She was not armed to control the crowd.

Thirty-nine-year-old Pramila was on duty near the Congress Bhavan when the clashes broke out on Thursday. Pictures captured by local TV channels show protestors thrashing her with bamboo sticks as she was lying on the ground trying to protect herself. Eyewitnesses said she fell to the ground after 15 to 20 Congress workers surrounded her during the clashes and then one of the men kicked her.

A day after Pramila was brutally beaten up by a mob of protesting Congress workers, the party’s in-charge of the state, Jagdish Tytler, issued an apology on Friday. “We are sorry that the woman cop got injured,” Tytler said, quickly adding that “there are two sides to the story. Our people have also been injured. The cops attacked us first.”

Hours after Odisha Police Association (OPA) threatened to protest unless the culprits were arrested, at least 35 people, including those who attacked the policewoman, have been arrested for clashes that took place outside the Assembly on Thursday. Bhubaneswar Police Commissioner Sunil Roy said more arrests will follow. OPA president Sawarmal Sharma had, earlier in the day, said: “The government should also order a judicial inquiry into the violent incident that took place on MG Road.”

On Thursday, a crowd of more than 25,000 Congress workers tried to storm the Assembly to demand the resignation of Chief Minister Navin Patnaik for what they allege is his involvement in the coal block allocation scam that has rocked Parliament as well. Tytler was reportedly leading the Congress workers.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 22 Dec 2012 01:21

Digvijay patronised SIMI in MP says state home minister
http://www.rediff.com/news/report/digvi ... 121221.htm

Digvijay government had encouraged SIMI, and hence the activities of this banned organisation flourished in those days," the minister said.He also claimed that the ruling BJP government had worked hard to wipe out this banned outfit from MP.Strongly refuting Gupta's charges, Singh said, "as Madhya Pradesh chief minister, I was the first person to seek a ban on SIMI and hence there was no question of my encouraging it."Singh also said that he had sought a ban both on SIMI and the Bajrang Dal but since at that time, Bharatiya Janata Party-led National Democratic Alliance was in power at the Centre, it initiated action against SIMI but not Bajrang Dal.The Congress leader said he has always held the view that fundamentalists of both communities worked to help each other."If there was no fanatic Hindu, Muslims would not have anyone to criticise.. and if there were no fanatic Muslim, Hindus would not find anyone whom they can attack," he said.Singh, who headed the Congress rule from 1993-2003, alleged that the present Madhya Pradesh government was sleeping over alleged terrorist activities in the state."And this is evident from the fact that NIA had on Saturday arrested a person in connection with the Samjhauta Express blasts from Nagda town in the state. Had the Madhya Pradesh Police been active, there would have been no need for NIA to come here and make arrests," he claimed.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 26 Dec 2012 10:05

Ammonium Nitrate, after loose imports, falls into rebel hands

All kinds of dangerous substances are easily available in India because everybody flouts laws and corruption makes it easier to do so and escape punishment as well even if caught. There is absolute impunity for any crime in this land.

GoI acts only when powerful foreign governments intervene because loose law enforcement here threatens them.

Amid a persisting terror threat, the handling of ammonium nitrate imports, and the ambiguous rules governing them, continue to leave gaping holes in the system which ultras keep exploiting.

Even a naval base and an entire port are under threat.

Ammonium nitrate, used in fertilizers, is also one of the ingredients of improvised explosive devices (IEDs) that extremists rig up to perpetrate terror.

India imports a sizable amount of this explosive for use in its mines, but a portion goes missing.The Visakhapatnam Port, on the east coast, imports this material; it handled 3.4 lakh tonnes in 2011-12. But the chemical is imported unbagged, a practice that leaves ample scope for spillage, and possibly theft.

“Ammonium nitrate shall preferably be imported in the bagged form, and whenever it is imported in bulk, it shall have to be bagged suitably by the stevedoring agency, duly authorised in writing by the importer and having valid licence under these rules,” say the rules.

‘Make bagging mandatory’

“Saying that ammonium nitrate should preferably be imported in bagged form is akin to saying that terrorists should preferably not kill people. This word should be removed,” argues a retired Indian Police Service officer. It should be imported, mandatorily, in sealed bags from the point of origin itself, he insists.

‘Security measures in place’

When contacted, a senior official of the Visakhapatnam Port Trust confirmed that while the port handled ammonium nitrate imports in bulk under a licence from the Directorate-General of Explosives, it put in place a slew of security measures.

“Slippage is taken care of in the port area by Central Industrial Security Force personnel… The berths are cleaned up soon after handling.”

However, the fact remains that theft during the process of handling is not difficult as bagging is done by 50-100 men at a time. Thereafter, the bags are sent to explosive manufacturers.

The official, however, admitted that monitoring the warehouses, where the material is stocked, is a matter of concern. Recently, the Port Trust did not allow private operators to store it on the port premises.

Yet, about 3,500 tonnes of the 3.5 lakh tonnes imported annually goes missing, and it is attributed to spillage.

IEDs kill U.S. troops

According to agency reports, the U.S. has asked a strife-torn neighbouring country to crack down on calcium ammonium nitrate production, saying the chemical went into the making of IEDs that were killing U.S. troops in Afghanistan.

The reports said the U.S. wanted the consignments tracked from distributors to buyers.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 26 Dec 2012 10:11

This seems a deliberate policy to let Maoists and IM have access to Amonium Nitrate to let off steam, scores of police and CRPF have lost thier life to this stuff, which miners need for mining and keep the profits away from locals, which the Maoists enforce.

Suddenly now that like Ishapore rifles this has been pilfered to Afganistan, GOI and its cronies have to act.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 27 Dec 2012 04:35

Its ridiculous to cite US crackdown on Paki ammonium nitrate to argue for better controls in India. Bagged material is more expensive. The solution is to have the bagged material controlled at the port.

Is that unnamed IPS retd officer willing to pay for the extra costs of bagged imports?

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 27 Dec 2012 04:53

Who is the HM? Chidu or Shinde? For the laast two days, we are seeing Chidu talking about flash protests etc.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 27 Dec 2012 07:45

The stupidity !! they are now selling these things online .
Now remember that our friendly neighborhood terrorists kidnappers and robbers have new gadgets at their disposal.

http://shopping.indiatimes.com/cameras/ ... ign=Mobile

This is a powerful pocket-sized cell phone signal shield that disables nearly all kinds of cell phone signals, including the new 3G band. It can be discreetly placed out of sight, put in a handbag or pocket. The device produces a 1 W radio shield with an effective range from 4 to 10 metres . Ideal for meeting rooms, restaurants, concert halls, offices, schools – any place where cell phone use is inappropriate. Keep students from text messaging during tests, and keep unwanted phone calls from disrupting religious services. Comes with a rechargeable Ni-MH battery and an AC charger.

http://shopping.indiatimes.com/cameras/ ... /p_B762299

This 3 Antenna Fixed Jammer Can Jamm All Gsm 900/1800/ Cdma / & 3 G Upto 15 Metres , Ideally In Practical Environment Jammer Will Jamm Upto 5~12 Metres Because , Mobile Towers Radiates High Power & If They Are Closer Jamming Distance Will Become Less

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 27 Dec 2012 07:55

This MC akbar owaisi justifies Bombay bombings.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 27 Dec 2012 08:03

Sushupti ji,
Where in the video ? Please mention time...

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 27 Dec 2012 08:04

Lilo wrote:Sushupti ji,
Where in the video ? Please mention time...

I couldn't tolerate it beyond first 2-3 minutes.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 27 Dec 2012 09:34

ramana wrote:Its ridiculous to cite US crackdown on Paki ammonium nitrate to argue for better controls in India. Bagged material is more expensive. The solution is to have the bagged material controlled at the port.

Is that unnamed IPS retd officer willing to pay for the extra costs of bagged imports?

ramana, Indian controls are lax in every sphere, not only whether ammonium nitrate comes bagged or in bulk. The case of the detonators and gelatine sticks used for quarrying in South India, especially Tamilnadu, is proof of this. Or, the case of frequent mishaps in fireworks factories in Sivakasi. It is for this reason that as many easy avenues for flouting or violation of laws as possible are avoided right at the source even when we know that we cannot guarantee that such plugging will entirely eliminate the menace. The hope is that it will at least make it that much harder. The cost escalation involved will be offset by the other expenses that GoI or state governments incur when untoward things happen. It is also a social responsibility of the governments. This is especially true of sensitive items like ammonium nitrate.

The subsidy by GoI plays a huge role in the cost of fertilizers to the farmers. If packaging is going to push up the cost then GoI has to bear it in the interests of the security of India. It should possibly cut down on so many other things that it wastes its money on.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 27 Dec 2012 10:24

starting at 10:00 minutes in that video:

"Advani was a 'bhagoda', he came running from Pakistan; we muslims, we didn't run to Pakistan, we stayed here; this is our 'mulq', it was ours, and it will always be ours.

Those who speak of us leaving this country - we will not leave alone: we will take qutb-minar, taj mahal, lal-qila, and many others with us. what will be left here? (crowd roars in raucous applause) 'Ayodhya ki tooti-pooti Ram Mandir bachegi'.

'Ajanta aur Ellora ki nangi-nangi murthiyan bachegi'.

even if we die, we take a place in the ground with us. you people, when you die, you die like 'awaras', burning and turned into ash and smoke.

'yeh mulq hamara tha, hamara hai, hamara rahega. aise modiyan bahut aye, bahut chale gaye. aaj log bol rahein hain Modi azam ban jayega. dekhte hain kaisa banta hai...

'kaisa Modi, kither ka Modi'. Let him come once to Hyderabad. we'll give a fitting answer. (crowd roars in applause)

Hindustan, Hindustan, there are 100 crores of you, and only 25 crores of us. for 15 minutes, take away the police, and we'll show you who has more guts. (crowd roars again).

even if all of you band together, you cannot give birth to one 'real man'. when the Musalman shows his strength, 'namardon ki fauj ajati hai'.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 27 Dec 2012 10:27

hillarious

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 27 Dec 2012 10:33

You've got to hand it to the guy - he's damn good at being so cheaply provocative, that it leaves one irritated but hesitant to respond at his level.

I do wonder, though, how he gets away with being a public figure, with such communal vitriol without being targeted. Once shyamd ji had mentioned that he acts as a link between GoI agencies and Hamas? Is that his usefulness? What importance does he have that someone doesn't just bump him off?

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 27 Dec 2012 10:36

one thing is very clear with the Hyderabad Islamics. they are openly making speeches and rabble-rousing the faithfuls against Congress and even the 2G directly. a sign of things to come?!

at 30:00, he again threatens that there will be so much bloodshed in India, as never before seen in the last 1000 years, if the temple issue in Hyderabad is not handled in the favor of Islamics.

sum · Post by **sum** » 27 Dec 2012 10:45

^^ Imagine if 1/100th of such things had been spoken by any other community leader.

Maybe, this is what Vina-ji meant by increasing moderation in IM voices and the right of IMs to have their views respected in the other dhaaga.

Hindustan, Hindustan, there are 100 crores of you, and only 25 crores of us. for 15 minutes, take away the police, and we'll show you who has more guts. (crowd roars again).

Isnt that what happened in Gujarat as per "secular" narrative? No state agency in the way and a free for all.
Whose guts got shown in that?

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 27 Dec 2012 15:49

Carl wrote: I do wonder, though, how he gets away with being a public figure, with such communal vitriol without being targeted. Once shyamd ji had mentioned that he acts as a link between GoI agencies and Hamas? Is that his usefulness? What importance does he have that someone doesn't just bump him off?

Hezbollah, not Hamas. If not him, someone else will take over that role. No one wants to have riots in the country and thats why the majority is silent. They are just jujubee 15% at most, they can't decide anything.

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 27 Dec 2012 17:03

devesh wrote:one thing is very clear with the Hyderabad Islamics. they are openly making speeches and rabble-rousing the faithfuls against Congress and even the 2G directly. a sign of things to come?!

at 30:00, he again threatens that there will be so much bloodshed in India, as never before seen in the last 1000 years, if the temple issue in Hyderabad is not handled in the favor of Islamics.

This 1000 years is some Muslim meme kya?

Zardari ka sasur ji also said something along the lines. Unfortunately he was hanged soon after by his own people.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 27 Dec 2012 17:38

Hindustan, Hindustan, there are 100 crores of you, and only 25 crores of us. for 15 minutes, take away the police, and we'll show you who has more guts. (crowd roars again).

This kind of speech and mentality must harden our resolve to destroy the excluvist ideology that propagates this Hatred and threats of Bloodshed.

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 27 Dec 2012 19:41

Sushupti wrote:This MC akbar owaisi justifies Bombay bombings.

Somebody tell this kid, he is either a result of brutal rape by a tribal Arap or the offspring of a week willed convert. The way he is jumping up & down trying to provoke the majority, he should pray to his Arap god he doesn't succeed otherwise all his bravado will escape from the closest hole available.

I'm now certain that this ideology is not compatible with the idea of India & all its adherents need to be brought back to Indic fold. By all means necessary.

kish · Post by **kish** » 27 Dec 2012 20:21

Chandragupta wrote:
Sushupti wrote:This MC akbar owaisi justifies Bombay bombings.
Somebody tell this kid, he is either a result of brutal rape by a tribal Arap or the offspring of a week willed convert. The way he is jumping up & down trying to provoke the majority, he should pray to his Arap god he doesn't succeed otherwise all his bravado will escape from the closest hole available.

I'm now certain that this ideology is not compatible with the idea of India & all its adherents need to be brought back to Indic fold. By all means necessary.

I disagree, Has any veterinarian able to cure rabies infected dog?

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 27 Dec 2012 20:27

I'm now certain that this ideology is not compatible with the idea of India & all its adherents need to be brought back to Indic fold. By all means necessary.

Not only it is not compatible with the Idea of India, it's not compatible to be in our neighborhood. Neither it is compatible to the idea of Thailand, EU, US, Africa. The Idea he is espousing and it's spirit has to destroyed everywhere it prevails and certainly in India.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 27 Dec 2012 22:21

also, the crowd here is not the usual Mumbai or Gangetic faithful crowd. Adilabad district is a dry, arid region and very isolated from the trade/economy/finance circles. it couldn't be more isolated. on one side, it is covered in jungles and forests. the other side is the dry/arid deccan climate. if this guy could assemble such a raucous crowd and get crowning approval from them, I am scared. if it's possible in a place like Adilabad, then I'm not sure I want to know what kind of speeches and rhetoric is used in the Islamic dens like Kerala or Kashmir, or the Gangetic Valley?

that was the first time I controlled the bile rising in my throat and heard an entire speech of his. it is a veritable fortress of victim-mentality.
it is filled with relentless insults at Hindus. also, the insults have a uniquely sexual flavor to them. he makes vicious comments about the "gau mata"; then makes the comment about "nangi nangi murthiyan" at Ajanta and Ellora; then makes lewd comments about Kausalya, "ram ki mata"; then makes comments about the "manlihood" of Hinduism; etc etc. and at every step, the crowd cheers and gives him raucous applause.

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 27 Dec 2012 22:37

shyamd wrote:
Carl wrote: I do wonder, though, how he gets away with being a public figure, with such communal vitriol without being targeted. Once shyamd ji had mentioned that he acts as a link between GoI agencies and Hamas? Is that his usefulness? What importance does he have that someone doesn't just bump him off?
Hezbollah, not Hamas. If not him, someone else will take over that role. No one wants to have riots in the country and thats why the majority is silent. They are just jujubee 15% at most, they can't decide anything.

This kind of attitude of our government is what pisses people off. "Too big to fall" BS is the hallmark of the current establishment (not limited to BJP or INC), but it is quite obvious that INC is 90% of the establishment in India.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 27 Dec 2012 23:21

Regardless of anger of Muslims against anything deemed anti-Islamic, the basic question is that rule of law should prevail. Such people should have been behind bar. Instead what we see here riots in India if someone talks against Islam even from outside India. Such dhimmitude is detrimental in general.

paramu · Post by **paramu** » 28 Dec 2012 05:43

Something to be noticed.

The Delhi bus rape incident happened on Dec 16. The biggest facebook & NGO driven protest against the incident happened on Dec 23rd, and it was all over the media for few days.

Putin was in Delhi on Dec 24th.

There was another rape incident in a car in Delhi yesterday, and nobody cares.