Pratyush wrote:Chetak, you seem to be missing the argument entirely that there is considerable space between a limited conventional war and a nuclear exchange.
I would draw your attention to the Kargil war. Both India and TSP were nuke power's. Yet in a limited war India kicked TSP ass.
There's a reason for that. People on this thread are thinking how to avoid Indian getting it's ass kicked in the absence of external support.
In a way, India is where TSP was in 99. But we have self awareness that tells us what capability is required to prevent PRC doing to us. What India did to TSP during that war.
Nukes are meaningless to that equation.
The pakis can afford to lose. its in their DNA
xi just cannot be seen as losing, especially now and to a country and people that they see as an inferior power and civilization
even a bloody nose like they got in galwan will not sit well with these sons of heaven so fighting under the nuke threshold is not an option.
xi and his PLA will fight only when unqualified victory is assured and they will need paki help.
this unqualified victory is not going to happen with a country like India
so this constant harping on war and people coming to "help" is not realistic, never mind this oft repeated hoary chestnut:
"there is considerable space between a limited conventional war and a nuclear exchange."
there is only limited space that is filled with state actors and terrorism. India and pak have considerable expertise in reading these unspoken red line signals during wartime and so they each know where the other's red lines are
the cheenis do not know or even much understand this redline "theory" in practice and nor does India have that much expertise in the cheeni methodology of laying out their "red lines", so a mistake is very easy to make and so is a rapid climb, up the escalatory ladder, is a given.
If any fighting was going to take place, it would have happened by now
After sitting on those icy, arid, and inhospitable wastes for a year, the hans know that they just cannot hack it. The sly way in which the cheeni envelopment in ladakh took place shows that they had it all planned out at their end. and what spiked them in the end was that India simply did not play out the part scripted for it by the hans. This is the example military planning by the great sons of heaven from the middle kingdom. In frustration, galwan followed, and now India's positions have hardened beyond repair. Both xi's and the PLA's "face" is in the dustbin, with modi rubbing it in, every few months or so.
The cheeni caused industrial unrest in bangalore and madras and the ED struck rapidly, unearthing trails of hawala transfers, money laundering and fraudulent accounting in two cheeni mobile phone companies and levying massive fines.
The IA has, in the meanwhile, reinforced and dug in and with every intention to stay for the long haul
if they push India too hard, the red lines may well be crossed at much lower thresholds, maybe with new fronts being opened up by India in tibet
if the hans launched an all out missile based strike, they may well touch off an escalation that will be self sustaining and they know this
In case of any misadventure against India, china's harsh treatment of many countries in the past will unleash a blowback that will hit them economically.
at the end, India may well land up as a full UNSC member, complete with veto, with the others over ruling the cheenis and also membership in nuclear supplier's group
people are already asking why should china be allowed to dominate the world, what great schitt do they bring to the world that people have not already seen before
if hitler's (white and rome supported) jackboot was unpopular and resulted in such a violent blowback, will xi's jackboot be any more welcome...
this middle kingdom crap, century of humiliation and sons of heaven BS is not going to sell too well.
Indians may well get their butts kicked but the cheeni will not escape unscathed and will come out of it, badly mauled and very much the worse for wear, reputation destroyed and their imagined capabilities for war shown up for what it actually is
If people in this forum are thinking that some one will come to help us, otherwise we should just roll over and die should quit the forum
when push comes to shove,
NO ONE WILL COME TO OUR HELP and we just have to gird our loins and get ready to take them on, threshold or no threshold, escalation or no escalation, dhoti shivering or no dhoti shivering.
We may not win but certainly, we will also not lose and that is exactly what scares xi, his PLA and their civilizations much vaunted "face"
They have learned their lessons from the Nathu La and Cho La clashes that left their PLA reeling and so they did not enter the war in 1971, despite the two fags nixon and kissinger egging them on. They know for sure that the IA can fight better than them at close quarters and out wit them tactically and strategically. in a variety of terrains and all in hostile environmental conditions.
if xi burns his boats with India, a lot of things will change permanently for the cheenis as well as the pakis and all of it will not be for the good either
