2021 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

greatde · Post by **greatde** » 06 Oct 2021 19:23

Sachin wrote:
greatde wrote: The BJP governments needs to have some police officials specifically dedicated to constant video recordings of any big events, protests, mobs.
Not only the BJP governments, every state government generally does this. In UP, there is a police unit known as Local Intelligence Unit (LIU), and in other states it is known as the District Special Branch (SB CID). These folks generally monitor these kind of events. TN Police for sure have trained photographers and video graphers in its constable ranks. Kerala also most likely have such teams in the Special Branch.

Have dedicated uniform police moving around with camera gears. Show it publicly, and cameras itself is a good crime deterrence.

m_saini · Post by **m_saini** » 06 Oct 2021 21:14

Ambar wrote: The only thing which will likely happen if these agitations and violence continues is citizens yearning for normalcy will give up, hold their noses and vote for INC/SP/AAP/NCP/JDS etc. ...

If that ever happens, it'll obviously be because Hindus suffer from Prithviraj syndrome and routinely vote in their oppressors. Such an idiotic group of people, say I /s

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 06 Oct 2021 22:35

m_saini wrote:
Ambar wrote: The only thing which will likely happen if these agitations and violence continues is citizens yearning for normalcy will give up, hold their noses and vote for INC/SP/AAP/NCP/JDS etc. ...
If that ever happens, it'll obviously be because Hindus suffer from Prithviraj syndrome and routinely vote in their oppressors. Such an idiotic group of people, say I /s

Seriously. Can't government at least introduce a bill in next parliament session to ban blocking of public roads/rails/waterways and airways? Is that too much to ask in a democracy? Few protestors are holding public property as a ransom for their demands pending in court. How long can this go on?

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 06 Oct 2021 22:53

They don't have to introduce any new bills, there are enough provisions within existing laws against illegal encroachment of public property, obstruction of traffic movement, rioting and intimidation, the question is who and how will they enforce it ? Like I said, in most states the opposition parties only need around 40k to 50k people (hardly a problem in a country like India) to completely paralyze the system. The opposition parties have learnt a lot from what took place in WB and PJ, they are ruthlessly hunting down not just BJP workers but even sitting MPs and MLAs, now they are trying to do the same in HR and UP.

greatde · Post by **greatde** » 06 Oct 2021 22:58

SBajwa wrote:
Seriously. Can't government at least introduce a bill in next parliament session to ban blocking of public roads/rails/waterways and airways? Is that too much to ask in a democracy? Few protestors are holding public property as a ransom for their demands pending in court. How long can this go on?

Enforcing it would be biggest obstacle. Then the legality itself would be another problem. The SC would immediately stay it . The role of SC has to be analyzed deeply given recent events.

Where is their expert committee on farm laws? And them staying the farm laws has been meaningless. Situation has got worse, by their wrong actions and now inactions. The executive is impotent with judiciary and street power unchecked.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 06 Oct 2021 23:02

greatde wrote:
SBajwa wrote:
Seriously. Can't government at least introduce a bill in next parliament session to ban blocking of public roads/rails/waterways and airways? Is that too much to ask in a democracy? Few protestors are holding public property as a ransom for their demands pending in court. How long can this go on?
Enforcing it would be biggest obstacle. Then the legality itself would be another problem. The SC would immediately stay it . The role of SC has to be analyzed deeply given recent events.

Where is their expert committee on farm laws? And them staying the farm laws has been meaningless. Situation has got worse, by their wrong actions and now inactions. The executive is impotent with judiciary and street power unchecked.

or is it the one pillar which is both culpable as well as complicit

banrjeer · Post by **banrjeer** » 07 Oct 2021 03:03

chetak wrote:
greatde wrote:
Enforcing it would be biggest obstacle. Then the legality itself would be another problem. The SC would immediately stay it . The role of SC has to be analyzed deeply given recent events.

Where is their expert committee on farm laws? And them staying the farm laws has been meaningless. Situation has got worse, by their wrong actions and now inactions. The executive is impotent with judiciary and street power unchecked.
or is it the one pillar which is both culpable as well as complicit

I was in India recently and this may be harder than it seems ...
Its ingrained in the urban desi worldview.. only gringo govt's and democracies are given that leeway, if brown guy does it then it's autocratic.
Even if public infrastructure is burnt and destroyed its cool..

S_Madhukar · Post by **S_Madhukar** » 07 Oct 2021 03:35

All protesters should be allowed to sit and sh*t outside hizonners houses. We will then know if they are oracles of truth and righteousness or merely human. oJustice will be done swiftly

S_Madhukar · Post by **S_Madhukar** » 07 Oct 2021 03:44

This isn’t India specific. The green XR environmentalists have been doing dharna at strategic junctions around London roads causing traffic issues. This is all from the playbook of youknowwho and because of our diversity are easy targets.
Our state can not enforce our borders and it doesn’t enforce law and order internally. The decay is deep decades old and the curriculum needs to be revisited

KL Dubey · Post by **KL Dubey** » 07 Oct 2021 07:50

People, stop confusing cause and effect.

The Modi sarkar continues to take many major actions that have caused deep issues in the BIF ecosystem - funding, processes, platforms, networks all falling apart. That is the reason for this frenzy. The impression that "BIFs are emboldened/on the warpath and Modi sarkar is unable to do anything" is entirely false.

Rather than go after every aira-gaira-nathu-khaira individually, sarkar is doggedly starving the entire ecosystem. This may not make sensational news, but its effect is much higher. Most of the weaker BIFs are simply withering and dying, and later the starving diehards and dead-enders can be mopped up.

Meanwhile a strong voter base is essential to keep the election victories coming. Contrary to the desires of some posters on this thread, Modi knows what people are going to vote for and he is doing exactly that.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 07 Oct 2021 08:10

KL Dubey wrote:People, stop confusing cause and effect.

The Modi sarkar continues to take many major actions that have caused deep issues in the BIF ecosystem - funding, processes, platforms, networks all falling apart. That is the reason for this frenzy. The impression that "BIFs are emboldened/on the warpath and Modi sarkar is unable to do anything" is entirely false.

Rather than go after every aira-gaira-nathu-khaira individually, sarkar is doggedly starving the entire ecosystem. This may not make sensational news, but its effect is much higher. Most of the weaker BIFs are simply withering and dying, and later the starving diehards and dead-enders can be mopped up.

Meanwhile a strong voter base is essential to keep the election victories coming. Contrary to the desires of some posters on this thread, Modi knows what people are going to vote for and he is doing exactly that.

Not true in WB for sure where daily lynchings and crimes against women went unchecked. Why wouldn't say a DMK in TN not want that level of power sans accountability? Heck CPM in KL already has such, apparently. DL is another basketcase with dilli pulis overeager to enforce cracker bans than clear arterial roads. #AakThoo. I can see MH also slide over into overt BIF-giri (overt anti-H stance). Only.

KL Dubey · Post by **KL Dubey** » 07 Oct 2021 08:36

I already answered this question. In some places they are stronger and can retaliate more visibly. In other places, they are in strong retreat. Not interested in teaching this in detail.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 07 Oct 2021 09:25

KL Dubey wrote:The impression that "BIFs are emboldened/on the warpath and Modi sarkar is unable to do anything" is entirely false.

I see lot of 'fence sitters' now getting such a feeling. My sample set is basically friends & family social media groups (30-50 people) with all of them relying heavily on main stream media. 99% of them are city dwellers, with 30%-40% of them being also 'brown sahibs' and 'marie antoinettes' mainly due to their upbringing etc. The people who vote in this group would be around 10%, but all have opinions for every thing under the sun

. And a common thread is the hatred towards Modi, BJP and often India's own glorious history (beyond the Mughal and British stuff).

Meanwhile a strong voter base is essential to keep the election victories coming. Contrary to the desires of some posters on this thread, Modi knows what people are going to vote for and he is doing exactly that.

Don't know how this can be done, but it would be worthwhile to plot the constituencies where Modi & BJP still holds sway. The MSM is trying to paint a picture that all parts of India are now rising in revolt; but I feel that it is only in certain pockets the problem exists. But believers of MSM will still get influenced by what MSM churns out. Example; Malayalam media still tries to prove that Delhi is under seige by the Khalistani farmer broker gang. I came to know that the blockade and its effect is only in certain pockets, only because I had colleagues who work out of Delhi and had to go to Haryana side on a near daily basis. Similar to could be the situation vis-a-vis the activities of folks like Dakait.

Lakhimpur Kheri killings give new lifeline to Opposition ahead of UP election
Rahul, Priyanka, other Congress leaders meet kin of those killed in Lakhimpur Kheri violence
Ultimately the above was the aim. Now looks like Shri. Dakait has been sidelined. Hope BJP is able to cause fissure in the opposition ranks; Dakait v/s 'seculars'.

Hari Seldon wrote: Heck CPM in KL already has such, apparently.

KL has changed a lot. I have not heard a CPI(M) v/s RSS-BJP political murder happening in the recent 2-3 years. Again these incidents only happened in the Northern Kerala side, and to be frank RSS-BJP always retaliated in kind. It was never a one-sided fight like in WB. Looks like through the help of a Yoga expert both commies and the sanghies have arrived at a truce. The rumour floating around is also that; central government by BJP has outsourced all tough projects to the Kerala Govt led by CPI(M) and get it done via them. Projects requiring land acquisitions etc have all been given with some 80-90% confidence that it would be done. If Congress was in power, the commies would have obstructed any good work.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 07 Oct 2021 09:27

KL Dubey wrote:Not interested in teaching this in detail.

Not asking you to, ol' chap. I prefer to be taught by folks I respect. Chaley aatein hain ...

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 07 Oct 2021 09:31

Ambar wrote: The only thing which will likely happen if these agitations and violence continues is citizens yearning for normalcy will give up, hold their noses and vote for INC/SP/AAP/NCP/JDS etc. ...

Happened in ze other grate democrazy, Amrika. The anti-Trumpees went so crazy overboard and hysterical that most ordinary folks thought a bit of relief from the 24x7 hysteria and 'normalcy' would be welcome respite. We now see what happened.

Has happened in Yindia before. The 2-party alternating states all go by the same deal, to some extent. The only way to keep c-system away is to reciprocate dirty tricks on c-system cogs and leadership, apparently. Like CPM in WB was willing to do. But that requires thick skin. Only.

SRajesh · Post by **SRajesh** » 07 Oct 2021 11:55

Maybe slightly OTOH to the current trends in the this thread but wanted to share this as a BRFite had a question of homogeneity of Muslims in India;
This article explains more of what I had mentioned about Ashraf/Aljaaf/Arzaal:
https://theprint.in/opinion/pasmanda-mu ... mi/746464/

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 07 Oct 2021 12:09

Sachinetta there is also this realisation now coming to the fore that clashes between CPIM and Parivar cadre in KL were actively encouraged and even abetted in many cases by usual suspects like Popular Front. So both parties have now taken a conscious decision to take a pause and think before retaliating. Mr. Valsan Thillenkeri had said something along these lines in a recent interview. The മുണ്ടുടുത്ത മോദി (Modi wearing a dhoti) reference to Pinarayi Vijayan is partly a joke and also veiled criticism that he has implemented many policies of Modi Govt in the state.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 07 Oct 2021 14:31

well played

Menka Gandhi and Varun Gandhi out of the BJP National Executive.

BJP National Executive: वरुण गांधी और मेनका गांधी BJP की राष्ट्रीय कार्यकारिणी से बाहर

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 07 Oct 2021 16:33

^^^ Most likely the duo also had some sense of this coming and the recent utterances could be a reaction to that. These decisions I don't think are taken by BJP leadership within a few hours of deliberation.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 07 Oct 2021 16:50

Sachin wrote:^^^ Most likely the duo also had some sense of this coming and the recent utterances could be a reaction to that. These decisions I don't think are taken by BJP leadership within a few hours of deliberation.

very true, saar

High time that the extended family was jettisoned too.

They are just as entitled, malignantly mediocre and as corrosively ambitious too.

KL Dubey · Post by **KL Dubey** » 07 Oct 2021 17:41

Sachin wrote:^^^ Most likely the duo also had some sense of this coming and the recent utterances could be a reaction to that. These decisions I don't think are taken by BJP leadership within a few hours of deliberation.

Yes. I am sure the BJP didn't just realize yesterday that "blood is thicker than water".

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 07 Oct 2021 18:33

KL Dubey wrote:
Sachin wrote:^^^ Most likely the duo also had some sense of this coming and the recent utterances could be a reaction to that. These decisions I don't think are taken by BJP leadership within a few hours of deliberation.
Yes. I am sure the BJP didn't just realize yesterday that "blood is thicker than water".

this is true only for one half of the dynamic duo.

mamma mia will not tolerate the other half.

KL Dubey · Post by **KL Dubey** » 07 Oct 2021 20:08

chetak wrote:
KL Dubey wrote:
Yes. I am sure the BJP didn't just realize yesterday that "blood is thicker than water".
this is true only for one half of the dynamic duo.

mamma mia will not tolerate the other half.

That cuts both ways. The current generation on either side (Pappu, Pappini, and Pappu-lite) are blood relatives.

The bar girl and celestial dancer will likely both need to learn how to (t)werk together so their offsprings can stay in the game/stay out of prison.

Larry Walker · Post by **Larry Walker** » 07 Oct 2021 20:13

https://youtu.be/xki2cXCBn1k

Who will give justice to HariOm Mishra's family ? Who will take care of his disabled father ??
If Yogi is anti-Brahmin for removing gangster Vikas Dubey who killed 10 policemen - then isn't supporting killers of HariOm Mishra equally and in fact more anti-Brahmin ??

I think SP and INC have made a big blunder by completing sidelining and neglecting deaths of these UP natives - and added insult to injury by rushing to support Kahlistani mob lynchers.

sudarshan · Post by **sudarshan** » 07 Oct 2021 20:33

KL Dubey wrote: The bar girl and celestial dancer will likely both need to learn how to (t)werk together so their offsprings can stay in the game/stay out of prison.

Took me a few moments to figure out "celestial dancer" but then

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banrjeer · Post by **banrjeer** » 07 Oct 2021 21:10

Kakkaji wrote:
ManSingh wrote: Maybe this video needs to be played all over too. One sided violence.

Warning: Its not an easy watch. Can't vouch for authenticity( from twitter ).

https://twitter.com/MalickhBukkann/stat ... MnQEw&s=19
ManSingh ji:

Here is an analysis of the video you posted above:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iGmtWhhz9c

It’s very unlikely that the jeep intended to mow down the people. But they can be booked for involuntary manslaughter. As for the lynch mob… This is a fixture in India very hard to convict a mob. But they need to be punished. This stuff has to stop.. the police should be handing out punishment not mobs.

banrjeer · Post by **banrjeer** » 07 Oct 2021 21:14

And what’s the point of convicting when the alleged accused are clubbed to death

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 07 Oct 2021 21:22

Sachin wrote:^^^ Most likely the duo also had some sense of this coming and the recent utterances could be a reaction to that. These decisions I don't think are taken by BJP leadership within a few hours of deliberation.

it looks like subramanian swamy is also out

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 07 Oct 2021 21:45

KL Dubey wrote:People, stop confusing cause and effect.

The Modi sarkar continues to take many major actions that have caused deep issues in the BIF ecosystem - funding, processes, platforms, networks all falling apart. That is the reason for this frenzy. The impression that "BIFs are emboldened/on the warpath and Modi sarkar is unable to do anything" is entirely false.

Rather than go after every aira-gaira-nathu-khaira individually, sarkar is doggedly starving the entire ecosystem. This may not make sensational news, but its effect is much higher. Most of the weaker BIFs are simply withering and dying, and later the starving diehards and dead-enders can be mopped up.

Meanwhile a strong voter base is essential to keep the election victories coming. Contrary to the desires of some posters on this thread, Modi knows what people are going to vote for and he is doing exactly that.

Very correct root cause analysis. Sadly this forum which is overrepresented by engineers and math majors is extremely deficient in common analytic methods.
Not even simple 4 Ws and 1H are used.
Thanks for bringing analysis back.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 07 Oct 2021 21:49

Sachin wrote:^^^ Most likely the duo also had some sense of this coming and the recent utterances could be a reaction to that. These decisions I don't think are taken by BJP leadership within a few hours of deliberation.

The duo have been sabotaging since VG was sidelined for UP CM. They have gone postal since then. Kind of down with #SuSwaitis.
#SuSwaitis = Give me a position so I stop bad-mouthing you!

SuSwa blocked me after that definition!!!

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 07 Oct 2021 22:18

KL Dubey wrote:People, stop confusing cause and effect.

The Modi sarkar continues to take many major actions that have caused deep issues in the BIF ecosystem - funding, processes, platforms, networks all falling apart. That is the reason for this frenzy. The impression that "BIFs are emboldened/on the warpath and Modi sarkar is unable to do anything" is entirely false.

Rather than go after every aira-gaira-nathu-khaira individually, sarkar is doggedly starving the entire ecosystem. This may not make sensational news, but its effect is much higher. Most of the weaker BIFs are simply withering and dying, and later the starving diehards and dead-enders can be mopped up.

Meanwhile a strong voter base is essential to keep the election victories coming. Contrary to the desires of some posters on this thread, Modi knows what people are going to vote for and he is doing exactly that.

Good to hear. No need to know all the details. Keep the trust

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 07 Oct 2021 22:28

KL Dubey wrote:..

The bar girl and celestial dancer will likely both need to learn how to (t)werk together so their offsprings can stay in the game/stay out of prison.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 07 Oct 2021 22:34

KL Dubey is right. The details are all out there in public.

Demonetisation, distancing of Lutyens jhola and media wallas, wide spread usage of Aadhar, Jan Dhan accounts, direct money transfers, digital payment systems, farm laws, foreign funding of NGOs, GST, Cooperative Banking reforms... if you start piecing together the combined effect of the bills passed in the Parliament in the past 6+ years, you can see how Modi is going about systematically dismantling the foundations from under the corrupt edifices.

This frenzy to paint Modi as the monster will only increase and reach a paroxysm before being snuffed out like the last flickers of a dying lamp.

So yes, we need to keep the trust and vote him back into office. The stables cant be cleaned of 7 decades of dirt and decay in just 7 years.

kit · Post by **kit** » 07 Oct 2021 22:40

Manish_P wrote:
KL Dubey wrote:..

The bar girl and celestial dancer will likely both need to learn how to (t)werk together so their offsprings can stay in the game/stay out of prison.

but tbh its an a after the m and not the e , which is the correct speeling

williams · Post by **williams** » 07 Oct 2021 22:53

Cyrano wrote:KL Dubey is right. The details are all out there in public.

Demonetisation, distancing of Lutyens jhola and media wallas, wide spread usage of Aadhar, Jan Dhan accounts, direct money transfers, digital payment systems, farm laws, foreign funding of NGOs, GST, Cooperative Banking reforms... if you start piecing together the combined effect of the bills passed in the Parliament in the past 6+ years, you can see how Modi is going about systematically dismantling the foundations from under the corrupt edifices.

This frenzy to paint Modi as the monster will only increase and reach a paroxysm before being snuffed out like the last flickers of a dying lamp.

So yes, we need to keep the trust and vote him back into office. The stables cant be cleaned of 7 decades of dirt and decay in just 7 years.

From the executive and legislative side I think the right moves were made. But our criminal justice system needs a major overall. Things are very slow and most BIF criminals are roaming free.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 07 Oct 2021 22:56

ramana wrote:
Sachin wrote:^^^ Most likely the duo also had some sense of this coming and the recent utterances could be a reaction to that. These decisions I don't think are taken by BJP leadership within a few hours of deliberation.
The duo have been sabotaging since VG was sidelined for UP CM. They have gone postal since then. Kind of down with #SuSwaitis.
#SuSwaitis = Give me a position so I stop bad-mouthing you!

SuSwa blocked me after that definition!!!

May be SuSu should have been appointed as Governor or ambassador or some UN post to keep him away from India

arshyam · Post by **arshyam** » 07 Oct 2021 23:57

That he was not given such an appointment speaks volumes, doesn't it?

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 08 Oct 2021 00:40

arshyam wrote:That he was not given such an appointment speaks volumes, doesn't it?

Hmmmm .... right

disha · Post by **disha** » 08 Oct 2021 01:04

vijayk wrote:May be SuSu should have been appointed as Governor or ambassador or some UN post to keep him away from India

How do you know it was not offered? He might have been offered Governor of A & N or Ambassador to Ghana!

You or I might have taken it. Not SuSwamy. You see he has big shoes to fill with his tiny feet.

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BTW, SuSwamy has a bunch of NRI followers, mostly US-Based and they went out of their way to state how Modi is weak and anti-Hindu or becoming Secular on the instructions of SuSwamy on twitter, fb, whatsapp and other social networks. It was picked up here later on BRF as well. It was interesting that a noise created elsewhere shows up here.

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 08 Oct 2021 01:19

Pgurus Sree Iyer is his unofficial spin master. He has two other ardent followers, one Jagdish Shetty from Karnataka who is a rabid NaMo and RSS hater, he runs SuSwamy's media accounts, the other one is from Kerala, TG Mohandas. Out of the 10 million followers SuSwamy has on twitter, 9 million are leftists, secularists, BIF who just enjoy seeing this misguided missile crash into people of his own party.