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SwamyG wrote:
I don't buy that argument. For all purposes India is a democratic country and the West knows it. It has the ability to transfer power peacefully from one cabinet to the next. What is Pakistan giving to USA in terms of Oil and ME politics?
I understand. It takes a while to come to that understanding. Pak is anchor for the Sunni Islam in the ME and is a large populated country with an army which is capable of modern warfare. Its nuclear program was a jointly funded by KSA and others to create a Islamic power center. From the US point of view with CENTCOM as the diplomatic wing of the US govt - relationship with the PA is the center piece of CENTCOM strategy.
Oil control is with SUnni regimes which align with PA and CAS Oil region is also within the range of Pakistan.
ME politics is actually Israel Arab politics and Sunni Shia politics. In both Pakistan has some weight
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They did not get the modern weapons for the warfare form USA. So it is not like they were discovered with all these capabilities. If USA could do so many things, why can't it control the Oil regimes themselves. It is not like they need foot soldiers like in the Colonial days. Even the the Colonial powers used local sepoys for their job. Israel-Palestinian? The Arabs being Arabs, why would they bestow so much kindness and power to Pakistan?
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Just as the Pak Is Satanist are doing major dog and pony show in the frontier region as far as fighting the Talibans, India should also undertake similar dog and pony show with regards to the water and J&K issues. Rotate a few dozen troops and keep hyping to hog heaven how tens of thousands of troops are being withdrawn. Make major photo ops and tv coverage on this. Make a few guys rotate the wheels of water canals and show it as Indian effort in increasing the water flow in to satan state. Make a major hype about it. Keep repeating it over and over again on radio and tv. Even if people catch up to the ruse, just ignore it all and keep up the facade of doing something. A lie repeated thousands of times becomes truth.
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SwamyG wrote:They did not get the modern weapons for the warfare form USA. So it is not like they were discovered with all these capabilities. If USA could do so many things, why can't it control the Oil regimes themselves. It is not like they need foot soldiers like in the Colonial days. Even the the Colonial powers used local sepoys for their job. Israel-Palestinian? The Arabs being Arabs, why would they bestow so much kindness and power to Pakistan?
This document has some history of the Islamic world.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http ... .pdf&pli=1
Chapter 13
Political Decentralization: In an effort to forge some kind of unity among Muslim countries, initial attempts were made to create some sort of economic ties between them. In pursuit of this objective, the first International Islamic Economic Conference was held in Karachi in 1949 and the second at Tehran in 1950. These conferences were followed by a conference of Muslim religious scholars at Karachi in 1952 on the initiative of grand Mufti Aminal Husayni of Palestine who was a strong advocate of Muslim unity. The 1960s were a decade of significant developments vis-à-vis formation of a united Muslim platform. The most important of these developments was the 1967 Arab-Israel war in which the latter occupied a considerable chunk of lands including the Al-Aqsa Mosque. In August 1969, a Jew activist set fire to a part of this mosque. This event brought about the first ever Islamic Summit at Rabat on 22-25 September 1969.

The leaders assembled at Rabat were convinced that Muslims constituted an indivisible Ummah and committed themselves to consolidated efforts to defend their legitimate interests under the banner of the Islamic Conference. This resolve resulted in the birth of Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC), formally proclaimed in May 1971. The highest policymaking body of the OIC is the meeting of Heads of State of the Muslim world. There have been several Islamic summits at Rabat (1969), Lahore (1974), Taif Makkah (1981), Dakar (1991), Tehran (1997), Qatar (2000), Malaysia (2003). These summits reviewed the conditions of the Muslim world in the context of international politics. The second policymaking organ is the annual conference of foreign ministers, which also reviews conditions in the Muslim world but concentrates on international political, economic, social, and cultural issues.

King Faisal, in 1962, convened an International Islamic Conference in Mecca where the Saudis unveiled their World Muslim League (Rabita al-Alam al-Islami). The Muslim Brotherhood told the gathering, "Those who distort Islam's call under the guise of nationalism are the most bitter enemies of the Arabs, whose glories are entwined with the glories of Islam." The Brotherhood invoked the idea of shu'ubi (anti-Arab) to cast aspersions specifically at Nasserism (or Pan-Arabism) and Communism (Egypt and Iraq, at this time, had vibrant communist parties, with the Iraqi party by far the strongest in the region). The combination of anti-communism and pro-Islam developed by the Saudis and their Islamists allies appealed greatly to the United States government, so much that the head of the Brotherhood, Sayeed Kuttub wryly called it "American made Islam." The road was open to the most virulent forms of Sunni Islam to take precedence over all that is beautiful in both heterodox Islam and in the democratic urges of the Arab people.
The United States gives the Saudis carte blanche, the white card, to do what it wants in the lands of the Gulf. According to Amnesty International's 2001 Report on Saudi Arabia, "Serious human rights violations continue. Suspected political or religious activists suffer arbitrary arrests, detention, and punishment under secretive criminal justice procedures which deny the most basic rights, such as the right to be defended by a lawyer. One person had his eye surgically removed as judicial punishment." State control of almost every aspect of women's lives is pervasive; women cannot walk alone even in their own neighborhood without fear of being stopped by the religious police and suspected of being moral offenders.

There has been an ongoing search for a true Islamic state which can be a core state and be the center of the Islamic world as a political center. There was a time when Muslims were the masters of the earth, controller of the destiny, but today they are on a path of continuous decline. There is a feeling of helplessness, hopelessness, and frustration among the Muslims. Muslims had their own social, economic Judiciary and political system of Khilafat, that was established by Mohammed Rasoolullah and the system was further advanced by Kulfae Rashideen (rightly guided successor). After 40 years, the system of Khilafah was derailed, and changed into Kingship, though the rulers continued to call themselves Khalifas. The single centralized authority was divided into political and religious wings. The rulers invented the laws to serve their aims and goals and distanced themselves from the guiding principals of Quran. They did not care for immediate and delayed deleterious effects of decentralization of the Ummah. Allama Iqbal expressed it well: There is death for the nations, in detachment from the center, There is life for the nations in attachment with the center.

By the beginning of the 20th century the entire Muslim world came under western domination except Turkey, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan. According to Bernard Lewis there was no attraction to colonize the last two countries because they were very poor territories but he did not mention the failed British attempt to conquer to Afghanistan. Even Turkey and Iran came under indirect control of the West. But after 1980 US strategic interest increased with Islamic states and they need a geo-political Islamic block which can be given a recognition in the world. Turkey was considered but it has problems. Quote from a reviewer: “Without a core state the Muslims can never restore their dignity in the world and be equal partners with other civilizations. It is only a core Muslim state that could address the paradox of geopolitics in the interest of international peace and security.” And the only country that fits that status is Turkey because as observed by Huntington it has history, population, middle level economic development, national coherence, military tradition and competence to be the core state of Islam. So long as Turkey continues to define itself as a secular state leadership of Islam is denied it.

Iran is not accepted as the center of Islam since it is predominantly Shia. Shia Islam does not compete with Sunni Islam for political space since Sunni Islam has a political doctrine which is ambitious. Saudi Arabia is a state which has a history of only a 100 years and does not have any manpower to project a large power. It has the religious legitimacy and can be the center of gravity of the Islamic world. But the population spread and location of the Muslims are more towards the east of Afghanistan with Pakistan, Bangladesh and Indonesia which form the critical nations of Islam. Saudi Arabia even though is the spiritual center of Islam has a small population and does not have the political and military class required for a core state.

Pakistan is one candidate, which has been eager for such a role of political center and are willing to do anything to get a political structure and center which can project such a world Islamic political center with influence. Writing his memoirs in his prison cell just before General Zia-ul-Haq executed him in 1979, Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto stated that his aim as prime minister of Pakistan had been to put the "Islamic Civilization" at par with the "Christian, Jewish and Hindu Civilizations," by giving the Islamic world a "full nuclear capability."
In a meeting of top scientists and advisers that he had convened on Jan. 20, 1972, just after assuming office, Bhutto made it clear that he was determined to achieve nuclear capability, not merely to neutralize India's inherent conventional superiority, but also to make his country a leader of the Islamic world. But the praise for Pakistan's nuclear achievement by radical Islamic leaders highlights fears of more "Islamic bombs." For example, Sheik Ahmed Yassin, spiritual leader of the Palestinian terrorist group Hamas, hailed Pakistan's nuclear tests as an "asset to the Arab and Muslim nations." Iran's foreign minister, Kamal Kharrazi, praised Pakistan's weapons achievement as a potential deterrent to Israel's presumed nuclear capability, and went on to say, "From all over the world, Muslims are happy that Pakistan has this capability." And Sheik Hayyan Idrisi of Jerusalem's Al-Aqsa Mosque went so far as to proclaim that "The Pakistani nuclear bomb is the beginning of the resurgence of Islamic power."

Since they are not the spiritual center of Islam Pakistan needs the support of Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Two divisions of Pakistani troops, or some 20,000 men, served in Saudi Arabia in the mid-1980s.
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Amber G wrote:Stating the obvious, I was merely talking about silliness (IMO, of course) of wishing of hit on US (with terrorists attack).
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But ..Jumping straight to, or making it number one wish “US gets hit” is just silly.
Amber G, I understand where you are coming from. To rephrase "You find it silly that somebody wishes US get hit" To extend further, if we have to go to root cause, it won't end anywhere, so whats the point?

Hope you can similarly understand my perspective..

You are focussed on that sentence and unwilling to acknowledge the context (we are not talking about root cause going back to 50's or cold war, but what is happening as we speak). You may read it as..

"Misery wishes company, more so when misery is brought about by THE company"

OR

Lets just explore the immediate factor (US providing Pakistan with Corvettes/F-16s). We know they are not meant for terrorists. So if US willfully chooses to put aside a budding relationship with India and continues to arm Pakistan (whose purpose of life is hatred towards my nation), then what wrong in somebody asking US to give company?

One question, if you wish to reply, how would you prefer India react to US arming Pakistan and giving its $4Billion, which will invariably be used against India?
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Obama's new N-policy evokes interest here

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 768726.cms

Though Mr Obama is seen to have taken the middle path, New Delhi wants to see stronger effort towards nuclear disarmament. India already has a policy of no first use of nuclear weapons and non-use against non nuclear weapons states. But New Delhi has also been pushing for a legally binding agreement on non-use of nuclear weapons against non-nuclear weapons state and a convention on the complete prohibition of the use or threat of use of nuclear weapons. But the Obama policy gives the US the option of reconsidering the use of nuclear retaliation against a biological attack, if the development of biological weapons reached a level that made the US vulnerable, the NYT said.

The Nuclear Posture Review is expected to set the stage for the Nuclear Security Summit, which Prime Minister Manmohan Singh will be attending, and the NPT review conference. On the Nuclear Security Summit, Mr Obama said he hoped to use the session to lay down tangible commitments by individual countries toward his goal of securing the world’s nuclear material so it does not fall into the hands of terrorists or dangerous states, the NYT said. India’s top concern is the threat of nuclear terrorism from across the border. New Delhi would like Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal under greater scrutiny.
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"You take a country where the overwhelming majority are not going to become terrorists, and you go in and say, 'We're building you a hospital so you don't become terrorists.' That doesn't make much sense," National Security Council staffer Pradeep Ramamurthy said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_terrorism_rhetoric
WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama's advisers plan to remove terms such as "Islamic radicalism" from a document outlining national security strategy and will use the new version to emphasize that the U.S. does not view Muslim nations through the lens of terrorism, counterterrorism officials say.
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Indian american sells B2 stealth technology to China for $110,000 (I suspect scapegoat by chinese/pakistanis unless he is a muslim).

http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/apr/ ... -china.htm
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White House approves assassination of cleric linked to Christmas bomb plot
The Obama administration has taken the rare step of authorising the killing of a US citizen, Anwar al-Awlaki, a radical Muslim cleric linked to the attempt to blow up a US airliner on Christmas Day.
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A_Gupta wrote: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_terrorism_rhetoric
WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama's advisers plan to remove terms such as "Islamic radicalism" from a document outlining national security strategy and will use the new version to emphasize that the U.S. does not view Muslim nations through the lens of terrorism, counterterrorism officials say.
This is a good move, but only goes half the distance required. Islamic nations and the ummah should not be viewed through the accusatory lens of terrorism. They should be viewed through he sympathetic lens of being insufferable jackasses who will go and bash their heads against a brick wall if any random passerby tells them that this is what needs to be done for Islam.

The primary characteristic that has been fostered among the ummah by the pimping leaders of the ummah and their colonial masters is stupidity and lack of any independent thinking. This is an open secret and even Ombaba will not tell Muslims that. Because if the ummah find out that they are the prime jackasses of the world and have been that way for the last 100 years, we are likely to see some serious civil unrest under the asses of the biggest western whores of the world - the Saudi Kings and the Pakistan army.

Somebody please email Ombaba and tell him his secret is safe in our hands - in any case 1.2 billion Muslims are too numerous to be educated and too stupid to change at least for the next 200 years.
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Air Marshals Stop Alleged 'Shoe Bomb' Attempt On United Jet to Denver
The suspect was identified by authorities as a diplomat in the Qatar embassy in Washington, Mohammed al Modadi. The FBI said the man had full diplomat immunity as the 3rd secretary and vice-consul
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http://www.indianembassy.org/newsite/pr ... /Apr/3.asp
Columbia University has instituted the Dr. B.R. Ambedkar Chair at the Columbia University Law School and
two Professor Jagdish Bhagwati scholarships with support from the Government of India. Ambassador Meera Shankar addressed students, faculty and guests of Columbia University in New York on the occasion of their institution on 1st April 2010. She met with Mr. Bollinger, President of the Columbia University, Provost of the Columbia University, Mr. Claude Steele, Dean of the Law School Mr. David Schizer and many other faculty members.

Welcoming the initiative to set up the Dr. B.R. Ambedkar Chair at the Columbia Law School, Ambassador Shankar said the Chair commemorates one of the great leaders of India in the 20th Century and one of Columbia University’s alumnus – Dr. Ambedkar. He is remembered today as a symbol of social change, as a vigorous advocate of social justice and as an architect of the Indian national Constitution.
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pgbhat wrote:Air Marshals Stop Alleged 'Shoe Bomb' Attempt On United Jet to Denver
The suspect was identified by authorities as a diplomat in the Qatar embassy in Washington, Mohammed al Modadi. The FBI said the man had full diplomat immunity as the 3rd secretary and vice-consul
:eek:
Qatari diplomat accused of 'shoe bomb' attempt on US flight may have been being sarcastic :roll:
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Dr. Ambedkar was a Columbia Uty graduate.
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Kamal Nath summoned by US court for alleged role in anti-Sikh riots

Did the riot happen in US ? These americans are going nuts or what ... the more downhill they are going , the more they are hurting India ...
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US says no to civil nuclear deal with Pakistan
WASHINGTON: Hours after Pakistan Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani said that his country "qualifies" for a civilian nuclear deal with the US, like that of India, the Obama administration in a blunt message told it that such a deal is not on platter of its talks with Islamabad.

"We are focused on Pakistan's energy needs, but, as we said last week, right now that does not include civilian nuclear energy," assistant secretary of state for public affairs P J Crowley told reporters.

A high-level Pakistani delegation led by the country's foreign minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi was here last month to launch the US-Pak Strategic Dialogue. The Pakistani delegation sought a civil nuclear deal with the US on the lines of that of India. The Obama administration did not give any concrete assurance to Qureshi, neither did it totally reject the request.

Meanwhile, chairing a special meeting of parliamentary committee on national security in Islamabad, Gilani said Pakistan "fully qualifies" for it as it has put in place effective security and non-proliferation measures.

A "well established, foolproof safety and security culture fully qualifies Pakistan for equal participation in civil nuclear cooperation at the international level, which would help us in addressing our immediate energy problems and would bring greater stability as well," Gilani had said.
Crowley reiterated that US has full confidence in the safety and security of nuclear weapons in Pakistan.

"I think various US leaders have expressed confidence in the security of the Pakistani weapons. I'm not going to go any further than that," he said. Earlier in the day, another Obama administration official said it favors a new global civil-nuclear architecture allowing countries to meet their energy needs without posing proliferation risk.

"The Obama administration has favored new international civil nuclear-energy architecture, an architecture that allows countries around the world to benefit from the peaceful uses of nuclear energy without increasing proliferation risks," Robert J Einhorn, special US advisor for nuclear non-proliferation and arms control, said.

"Ideas have been put forward, like fuel-supply assurances, international fuel banks. These are designed to give countries more options, to give them more access to the nuclear fuels they need to run a nuclear-energy program, a nuclear-power program. We have supported these international fuel banks to do that," Einhorn told foreign journalists at a news conference.
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U.S. to allow India access to Mumbai attacks suspect Headley
Days after assuring New Delhi on interrogation of terror suspect David Coleman Headley in Mumbai attacks, the United States Thursday said that a plan is being chalked out at the highest level to give India direct access to the suspect.

"On the issue of giving access to Headley, the U.S. government is working at the highest level. We recognize the importance and sensitivity of the issue. Headley will be brought to justice," U.S. Ambassador to India Timothy J Roemer told the media.

Claiming that both the U.S. and India were working in tandem day and night to counter terrorism, the envoy said, "during the last eight months since I have been the ambassador, there has been intelligence sharing leading to lives being saved."

Roemer also described the cooperation between the U.S. and India as unprecedented and historic and said "India and U.S. have a common objective, that is to fight against terrorism" and that " militant group Lashker-e-Toiba (LeT) is a common enemy."

Headley, who was arrested in the U.S. for plotting terror attacks at the behest of LeT and currently facing trial in Chicago, has been indicted by a court on 12 counts, including masterminding the Mumbai attacks in Nov. 2008, which killed over 170 people, including foreign nationals.
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James B wrote:
SwamyG wrote:Why doesn't USA ditch Pakistan and hitch totally with India? What can Pakistan do that Indian cannot?
GUBO :lol:
:lol: This exchange is now preserved here.
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Chinmayanand wrote:Kamal Nath summoned by US court for alleged role in anti-Sikh riots

Did the riot happen in US ? These americans are going nuts or what ... the more downhill they are going , the more they are hurting India ...
The court will address this of course, but they would have jurisdiction if the affected people now live in the US.
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^^^If the US Court can summon Kamal Nath , why can't Indian Court summon CIA chief and Headley ? :roll:
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^^^

Somebody has to file a case and take it forward. No reason why Headley cannot be charged in an Indian court (unless Indian law lacks provision for doing so).

Of course, if Headley stays out of India and Kamal Nath stays out of the US, there's not much the court can do to enforce its judgement. Although in extreme cases, the US court has held that kidnapping the foreign national - Nath in this case - to execute an arrest warrant issued under ATS does not constitute arbitrary arrest. I don't know if there is something similar in Indian law.
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Let's give credit where credit is due and hail the US-RUssia nuclear weapons reduction treaty.Since the days of SALT/START,etc. of the Nixon-Kissinger era,there has been very little effort in reducing global nuclear war other than the Reagan-Gorbachev agreement to end the Cold War.During this time,the uS turned a blind eye to the Sino-Pak-NoKo nuclear proliferation that now threatens to spread into Iran .While one might disagree on many issues of bilateral and regional importance with Uncle "O",he has scored a great international success here with his Russian counterparts Medvedev and Putin.One must salute both countries for this landmark achievement,even though there is much further work to be done.

What one must now avoid is for the US to develop new even more accurate N-warheads in ordre that it maintains its lead .Many experrts say that these new missiles and warheads can be "usable" warheads as they will hit targets pinpoint without recourse to massive TN city busters.Thus nuclear war will actually be MORE likely if the US goes ahead with operationalising these weapons.Furthermore,it will be an incentive to both existing N-weapon states and those wanting to join the N-club,to accelerate their ambitions inceasing N-proliferation.In addition,the US should drop its planned ABM missilesystems stationed in former Warsaw Pact countries against a perceived Iranian (actually Russian) threat.Presuuuree can now be brought to bear upon China by the two N-superpowers to limit or stop its N-proliferation to Pak,especially as Pak's nuke security is in doubt.

US and Russia agree to destroy thousands of nuclear weapons
Barack Obama and the Russian leader Dmitry Medvedev have signed a landmark treaty to reduce their nuclear warheads by a third in what the President called a "extraordinary event."

By Damien McElroy, Foreign Affairs Correspondent
Published: 11:25PM BST 08 Apr 2010

Barack Obama and Dmitry Medvedev sign the treaty cutting their nations' nuclear arsenals Photo: AFP/GETTY IMAGES
However, even as the agreement was sealed, Russia gave warning that an expansion of America's planned missile shield would derail the deal, which is the result of months of tense discussions.

Speaking in Prague after signing the treaty, Mr Obama said it was an "important milestone" in relations between the two countries, which "will move us further beyond the Cold War." While Mr Medvedev said: "The entire world community has won."


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G20 summit: US and Russia agree to cut their nuclear arsenalsThe treaty will see both sides reduce their nuclear warheads to 1,550 within seven years. Russia currently has 2,600 bombs and America has 2,252 devices. They are also restricted to 700 air-, ground- and submarine-launched intercontinental ballistic missiles that carry warheads.

It replaces the Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (Start) that first reduced Cold War nuclear stockpiles. Start was struck in 1991 but expired last year. Russia currently has 2,600 bombs and America has 2,252 devices.

But Mr Medvedev said that the new treaty was only "viable" as long as Russia's ballistic missile technology did not fall too far behind American efforts to create a missile shield that would shelter the US and its allies from long range attack.

A statement from the Kremlin said: "The treaty... can only function and be capable of life in conditions where there is no qualitative and quantitative expansion of a possible US missile defence system."

President Obama said that the differences between Washington and Moscow would be aired in a bilateral talks process. "This will include regular exchanges of information about our threat assessments, as well as the completion of a joint assessment of emerging ballistic missiles," he said.

The two leaders also used the occasion of the signing ceremony in the ornate Spanish Hall of Prague's Presidential Palace to warn Iran over sanctions if it continues pursuit of a suspected atomic weapons programme.

"We are working together at the United Nations Security Council to pass strong sanctions on Iran and we will not tolerate actions that flout the NPT [Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty]," Mr Obama said.

He said: "My expectation is that we are going to be able to secure strong, tough sanctions on Iran this spring."

Mr Medvedev indicated that Russia would support further sanctions on Tehran saying that they were "sometimes necessary" but that they must be "smart" and "capable of prompting the right behaviour.

The treaty must now be ratified in the Russian legislature and the US senate but it represented a triumph of diplomacy despite fundamental differences between Washington and Moscow.

It also marks step towards Mr Obama's ambitious goal of total nuclear disarmament and sets the stage for a global conference on nuclear security that Mr Obama is hosting in Washington next week, where Iran will be an important topic.

"If the United States and Russia were to show up with no agreement and between the two of them controlling 95 per cent of the weapons, it's pretty easy for the non-nuclear states to say, 'well you're not doing your part, why should we?" said Steven Pifer, an arms control expert at the Brookings Institution, a US think tank.

Critics, however, have claimed that the agreement fudges vital details. Under its terms Russia's long range nuclear bombers count as one device even though the planes have the capacity to carry up to 12 bombs.

Republican leaders in the US have expressed concerns that Mr Obama has promised that the US will not develop new nuclear weapons, despite advances in technology that would make its arsenal more secure.

Russian analysts say Russia needs the deal to ease the burden of replacing a large number of aging Soviet-built missiles. "This treaty is in Russia's best interests," said Sergei Rogov, the head of the USA and Canada Institute, an influential think tank.

Mr Obama also used the visit to meet central and eastern European leaders over dinner last night.

http://www.america.gov/st/peacesec-engl ... 03528.html
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Chinmayanand wrote:^^^If the US Court can summon Kamal Nath , why can't Indian Court summon CIA chief and Headley ? :roll:
Never mind Headley. The US has consistently blocked Indian attempts to have Warren Anderson, officially declared a fugitive, brought to India. GoI must tell the US to take a hike as far as the Kamal Nath issue is concerned.
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You have to understand something about the US court system. The filing of suits and issuing summons are largely systematic and bureaucratic and automatic. I should know because I am a lawyer myself practicing law in US. Whenever you file a suit, you ask for summons so you can serve the papers to the defendant and have the defendants appear in US. The court itself, i.e., the judges and prosecutors, are no way involved in those kind of civil summons. The clerks who issue the summons are not lawyers and have no way of knowing whether there is jurisdiction involved or not. They just automatically assume that there is jurisdiction and have no authority to adjudicate the jurisdiction matter and that is up to the parties to dispute the jurisdiction and for the judges to decide. It is a pain in the ass but if the party who filed the summons should have known better, he would be ordered to pay the costs.

So being issued with a summons means little. It only means something when the judge passes down a order or sentence because in that manner, the judge is declaring jurisdiction. Just hire a lawyer to stand in for Kamal Nath and say the US has no jurisdiction in this matter. Statute of limitations expired, matter occurred in India and in entirely different jurisdiction and ask for attorney fees and court costs. Most likely since this is a federal court, the court will agree with Kamal Nath and will punish the plaintiffs for filing such a frivolous lawsuit.
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The Alien Tort Statute under which Kamal Nath has been summoned.
This statute is notable for allowing United States courts to hear human rights cases brought by foreign citizens for conduct committed outside the United States.
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The Alien Torts can only be used if there were Americans in either role, as an aggressor or victim, involved on foreign soil.
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Hitesh wrote:The Alien Torts can only be used if there were Americans in either role, as an aggressor or victim, involved on foreign soil.
Yes, that is the case here. Some of the plaintiffs have naturalised to become Americans.
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India, US to have talks on security concerns: Roemer
Speaking to the media here on Thursday Roemer said: "We are talking about going from the most important global areas like nuclear proliferation, nuclear security where Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and US President Barack Obama will meet in the days ahead to talk about the US and Indian perspective, how do we keep the most dangerous weapons out of the most dangerous hands".

"In the world today where both United States and India have experienced transitional threats that can strike like a serpent across borders and kill hundreds of people. We experienced it in New York, you experienced it in Mumbai, how do we work together to make sure, that couldn't be a nuclear or a chemical crisis," added Roemer.
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vera_k wrote:
Hitesh wrote:The Alien Torts can only be used if there were Americans in either role, as an aggressor or victim, involved on foreign soil.
Yes, that is the case here. Some of the plaintiffs have naturalised to become Americans.

Shouldnt they be aggrieved after they became US citizens?
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And of course, these terrorists who attack India are from Mars. Maybe India and US can plan a joint mission to Mars to fight terrorists in the 3050.

When is a similar meeting planned with TSP? After all, even TSP is a victim onlee. And India TSP equal equal onlee :-).
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ramana wrote:Shouldnt they be aggrieved after they became US citizens?
They are relying on new information that has become available. What is the chance that any case implicating Rajiv Gandhi will be tried in an Indian court?

The case against Kamal Nath
Since Kamal Nath spent two hours in front of Rakab Ganj Gurudwara on 1 November, The Indian Express reported the next day that he had led the mob.
Kaul disclosed that Kamal Nath had turned up at Rakab Ganj saying that he had been sent by Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi.
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The easiest and the best solution to solve this 1984 issue is to hang sajjan kumar, tytler and hkl bhagat before they die of their natural causes.
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SBajwa wrote:The easiest and the best solution to solve this 1984 issue is to hang sajjan kumar, tytler and hkl bhagat before they die of their natural causes.
Bhagat died and how he wished for death as he stank 3 months on the bed , no one could smell his stink, not even the family members. Death was liberating , he should have lived the living hell long. Other two should be served historical punishement.. thrown under the toilet hole at Bangla sahib,
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God, that's vicious. Remember that the events that transpired in Nov 1984 were not under normal circumstances by a long shot. Extremely extraordinary is more like it. A democratically elected prime minister was murdered by her own bodyguards, individuals who are supposed to be far above sectarian considerations like the Golden temple attack for example. No, it certainly doesn't justify the ensuing rioting and killing, but the times were not normal.
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^ Lets not try to be PC here , INC tried to polarize the country's electorate for the long term by resorting to such lowly tactic don't even try to sweep it under the garb of statements like 'those were not normal times' .
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Guys avoid, its Indo-US thread, and Varoon, really really avoid.

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 96#p853696
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I am all for Kamalnath exchange for Headley and Ravinder singh.
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US May Allow 5,000 More Indian Doctors for Residency Training
New Delhi, Jan 2 – The US may allow in nearly 5,000 more Indian doctors for residency training every year, an American doctors’ body said here Saturday.
Vinod K. Shah, president of the American Association of Physicians of Indian Origin (AAPI), said he met US President Barack Obama and appealed to him to remove the present cap of 18,000 on residency training for US and foreign doctors. ‘The case is now with a special committee and most likely to get a nod. The administration is planning to allow a total of 15,000 more doctors to do residency training in the US,’ he added. At least 30-35 percent of the additional doctors will be Indians, said Jayesh Shah, another AAPI member, adding : ‘You can expect approximately 5,000 more Indian doctors getting this benefit in the near future.’ The doctors are allowed to practice in the US after residency training. The US administration has put a cap of 18,000 on the number of doctors for residency training annually, of which 16,000 are local doctors. Out of the 2,000 doctors of foreign origin, Indian medicos have a share of 30 to 35 percent
http://www.vamban.com/us-may-allow-5000 ... -training/
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What for ?
Indian, US Army Officials Discuss Joint Training
Chandigarh, March 22 – To coordinate joint training events between the Indian and United States armies, senior US and Indian army officials met at the Western Command headquarters at the Chandimandir cantonment, 15 km from here, Monday.The four-day 14th annual meeting of the Indo-US Army Executive Steering Group (ESG) will conclude March 26.
The 14-member US delegation is led by Lt. Gen. Benjamin Randy Mixon, Commanding General of the US Army-Pacific. ESG meetings between both countries are held at venues alternating between India and the US to coordinate various joint training events between the two armies. Gen Mixon met Western Army Commander Lt. Gen. Shankar Ranjan Ghosh and interacted on various aspects of common interest. The US team met their Indian counterparts led by Lt. Gen. A.S. Sekhon, Director General Military Operations (DGMO).
http://www.vamban.com/indian-us-army-of ... -training/
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