Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 21, 2010

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 03 Jun 2010 04:22

This may have been discussed before - the report on the 1953 anti-Ahmedi riots.
http://www.thepersecution.org/archive/munir/index.html
REPORT OF THE COURT OF INQUIRY CONSTITUTED UNDER PUNJAB ACT II OF 1954 TO ENQUIRE INTO THE PUNJAB DISTURBANCES OF 1953

I'm struck by the sarcasm the writers of the report exhibit. e.g.,

Mirza Bashir-ud-Din Mahmud Ahmad was sojourning in Quetta, in the hot weather of 1948. While he was there, a young military officer, Major Mahmud, who was an Ahmadi, was murdered in a singularly brutal manner. The Muslim Railway Employees Association had organised a public meeting which was held on the evening of 11th August 1948. Some maulvis addressed the gathering and, the subject selected by each one of them for his speech was khatm-i-nubuwwat. In the course of these speeches, references were made to the Qadianis’ kufr and the consequences thereof. While the meeting was still in progress, Major Mahmud, on his return from a visit to a patient, passed by the place where the meeting was being held. His car accidentally stopped near the place of the meeting and an effort to re-start it failed. Just then a mob came towards the car and pulled Major Mahmud out of it. He attempted to flee but was chased and literally stoned and stabbed to death, his entire gut having come out. The report of his post-mortem examination shows that he had as many as twenty-six injuries caused by blunt and sharp-edged weapons and that the death was due to shock and internal haemorrhage resulting from incised, wounds involving the left lung, left kidney and the right lobe of the liver. Nobody was willing to take credit for this act of Islamic heroism and out of a large number of persons who were eyewitnesses, none was able or willing to identify the ghazis who were authors of this brave deed. The culprits, therefore, remained unidentified and the case was filed untraced. The police record shows that the infuriated mob was frantically looking for men with short beards—Ahmadis it may be mentioned wear short beards—to kill them,

or

The Ahrar should have had little difficulty in realising that with the creation of Pakistan their past ideology had become obsolete and that there was no scope for their past activities in the new State, but the Ahrar are not made of that stuff, and seasoned agitators as they are, having had experience of championing and conducting many an agitation to enhance their popularity, they began to think of an outlet for their activities in their new surroundings. From exploiting an existing agitation there is only one step down to creating an agitation, and as will be presently shown, they adopted that tactics to justify their existence and to keep themselves alive as a party.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 03 Jun 2010 04:25

This part of the report gives an insight into the mind of the fanatic - after some inflammatory speeches in Okara:

On the following day Muhammad Ashraf who was listening to the speeches, armed himself with a knife, pursued Ghulam Muhammad while he was on his way to Okara, overtook him near a canal and stabbed him. Ghulam Muhammad was seriously injured and expired before he was taken to the police station. Muhammad Ashraf was produced before a Magistrate and made the following confession : —
“In September, again said, on the third day of October, a meeting was held at Okara, in which Rizwani Bashir Ahmad, Maulvi Zia-ud-Din, Qazi Abdur Rahman, Ch. Mahbub Alam and the President of the meeting who was probably Qazi Sahib delivered enthusiastic speeches that the Mirzais call Prophet (peace be on him) by bad name. We shall die on his grandeur. It was said in the speeches that those who would differentiate them (Ahmadis) and try to remove them should raise their hands. In the meeting the name of Ilam Din Ghazi was also mentioned and his history was told. I had also read before the history of Ilam Din Ghazi, and once I had been to his shrine. After that the meeting was over. I returned home. The words of the speeches resounded in my mind all night. Getting up in the morning I went to Chak No. 48 on a cycle where the master had gone to his house in recess. I stayed in the Chak till he came to school. At a shop in the village ckowk I smoked a cigarette. When I came out, master was not in the school. I was convinced that the master was a Marzai and I had come with this intention. In the Chak I inquired from a Sayyad as to whether any kafir was teaching our children in the days of Holy Prophet. What right he has that he is staying in our Chak and has got the land allotted and teaches the children. After that I inquired from a boy as to where master had gone. He informed that he had gone to Chak No. 40/3-R. I inquired whether on cycle or foot. He replied, on cycle. I had a knife at that time. I overtook him at a distance of two miles. There I got down from my cycle and felled him by pushing his cycle. I inflicted a knife blow to master and he went running in the water of canal minor. The knife gave way and I set it right and gave him blows in the water. At the time of my beating some persons collected. They stopped me. I told them that they should not check me as I was killing a kafir. Another stranger met me and questioned me, I replied that I had killed a kafir, I went to Okara.”

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 03 Jun 2010 04:31

Even more telling is the attitude of the judges in this case. Muhammad Ashraf received life imprisonment; the widow of the deceased petitioned for enhancement of the sentence. The judges noted the precedent from the British era

It is urged in support of the petition that both on principle and precedent the sentence should have been that of death and that the imposition of the lesser sentence in this case has led to a miscarriage of justice. Reliance in this connection is placed on Ilam Din v. Emperor, A. I. R. 1930 Lahore 157, and Aziz Ahmad v. Emperor, A. I. R. 1938 Lahore 355. In the first of these cases, a youth of 19 or 20, prompted by feelings of veneration for the Prophet of Islam, had been guilty of the premeditated murder of a Hindu who in a vulgar and scurrilous publication had attacked the Prophet. Broadway and Johnstone JJ. who heard the appeal, held that neither the age of the offender nor the motive for the murder was an extenuating circumstance, and confirmed the sentence of death. The second case relates to the murder of a revolting Ahmadi by an orthodox Ahmadi because the leader of the orthodox sect had been attacked in, a poster by a party to which the murdered man belonged, While considering the propriety of the death sentence. Young C. J. observed : —
‘We consider it would be dangerous in this country to give cause for belief that death would not as a rule result from murders even when they are committed for attacks on leaders of religious communities, or under their influence unless they are committed in circumstances which do amount to grave and sudden provocation.

‘We feel it our duty to say that, conditions being as they are in India, it is most dangerous for leaders of religious communities to attack publicly their opponents from the pulpit, and, in particular, to use the language that has been used by the Khalifa Sahib with regard to Misri Abdul Rahman and his followers; someone may easily be influenced thereby to commit murder. This is not the first time in India that death has followed hard on the heels of similar denunciations. Even if we accept, as contended by counsel for the appellant, that the Khalifa Sahib referred to punishment in the spiritual sense, it must be remembered that some zealous followers of any religious leader have difficulty in distinguishing spiritual from corporal punishment. In any event there are always in this country fanatics who believe that they are the instruments of God in carrying out such punishments. We must confirm the sentence of death passed upon Aziz Ahmad and dismiss his appeal.’

(SSridhar - isn't this relevant to the case of Kasab?) but then continued:

“If we were to follow the principle laid down in the two cases cited above, there would be no alternative for us but to enhance the sentence to that of death. But both these are pre-Partition cases and the actual decision in each of them was influenced by administrative considerations. In the present case, we cannot shut our eyes to the fact that the murder was not committed with any sordid motive and that the offender, who is a youth of impressionable age, was made to believe that in the circumstances the murder had become an obligation by discharging which he could earn religious merit. In the speeches made in the meeting of 3rd October, the Ahmadis were denounced as a menace to Islam and death followed hard on the heels of that denunciation. Where a youth commits murder under the influence of his elders, we have always taken the view that a sentence of death need not be imposed on him, and we are unable to distinguish that class of cases from the present one where learned religious divines take the place of elders and publicly preach violence as a religious duty. There is yet another category of murders where Courts do not generally give the capital sentence, namely, where the offence is committed under the influence of some mental derangement which does not in law amount to insanity, and the case of a religious megalomaniac does not seem to us materially to differ from that category. For these reasons we do not think enhancement of the sentence is called for in this case. We must not, however, be understood as laying down any general rule, and any recurrence of this species of crime, which tends to bring religion into disrepute and to make it the laughing stock of the world, might induce us to take a different view and revert to the normal sentence for murder."

Well, karma is a bitch.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 03 Jun 2010 05:01

The Pakistani paranoia is visible in 1952. Chaudhary Zafrullah Khan, Foreign Minister, Ahmedi, made a speech in Karachi, May 18, 1952. There were riots in Karachi. The Ahrar had been leading the agitation against Ahmediyas.

Chaudhri Zafrullah Khan’s action was intensely and widely resented by the Muslim public in Karachi and the Punjab, and there were strong protests against it. The weekly ‘Star’, Karachi, in its issue of 24th May, 1952, published on its front page an article under the heading ‘Foreign hand? Who directed Karachi riots?’ hinting that the riots were the result of the machinations of a foreign power.

Some Ahmadi gentlemen of Lahore, including Mr. Bashir Ahmad and. Mr. Siddiqi, brother-in-law of Mirza Bashir- ud-Din Mahmud Ahmad, in their private talks gave expression to the view that the responsibility for the incident lay on the Prime Minister Khwaja Nazim-ud-Din. Mr. Zulqarnain Khan, S. P. (A), mentioned in his report on 28th May 1952 that persons arriving from Karachi, including Abdullah Butt of the U. K. Mission, had given out in Lahore that the disturbances had been manoeuvred by the Americans because Chaudhri Zafrullah Khan was pro-British and anti-American, and that the article in the ‘Star’ had been inspired by Abdullah Butt at the instance of the U. K. Mission. Commenting on these rumours on 1st June 1952, Mr. Anwar Ali, D. I. G., C. I. D., remarked that the Ahrar leader’s had for sometime past been giving out that the agitation against Chaudhri Zafrullah Khan which they were carrying on had the support of some high-ups in the Government and the Muslim League and that the Government’s omission to take firm and determined measures had been giving cause for belief that some members of the Government were sponsoring this chauvinistic movement. Mr. Qurban Ali Khan’s realistic approach to the problem was as under:—

“I do not think any Foreign Power would attach or has any need to attach so much importance to Pakistan as to consider it worth their while to run the risk of being caught meddling with its domestic affairs. Nor do I think any local politician has anything in particular to gain by fostering agitation against Sir Zafrullah Khan in person. They are all experienced enough to know that people capable of doing all this against Sir Zafrullah Khan today would be equally capable of doing something worse against them tomorrow. I do not think any politician, worth the name will inculcate such tactics amongst the masses. What may however be happening is just the fear of becoming unpopular with the Muslim masses by challenging the Ahrar on an issue when the popular support will not be with them. But it is at times like these that the need of a real leader in a country arises to lead the people and not just to be driven at the head of the herd all the time.

The recent order by the Punjab Government to all District Magistrates to exercise stricter control over the Ahrar-Ahmadi meetings may have the desired effect of crushing things down.

If this attempt also fails something more of the type of hitting on the head shall have to be forged and used.”

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 03 Jun 2010 05:06

Here is a chance for kaffir Qadiani to move to India and become part of Dharmic family . There is nothing for them in the Land of Pures but death and destruction. If they want to stay there regardeless then we dont need to waste empathy on them .

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 03 Jun 2010 05:16

December 1952 - a D.I.G. police wrote

Mullaism—There is no doubt that most of the mullas rise from a class which is without education and has an extremely narrow outlook. The mullas have been built up by politicians themselves and instead of behaving as their supporters have turned on the very forces which created them. They are out to seek power for themselves and are the enemies of progress. An intelligent and educated class of mullas should be created and in the meantime the leaders should, when making speeches, not make promises in the religious fields which they know they cannot honour.”

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 03 Jun 2010 05:16

Prem wrote:Here is a chance for kaffir Qadiani to move to India and become part of Dharmic family . There is nothing for them in the Land of Pures but death and destruction. If they want to stay there regardeless then we dont need to waste empathy on them .

1952 D.I.G. police report

A number of Ahmadi women and children have secured permanent settlement permits from the Indian Deputy High Commissioner and will leave Pakistan for good. These women and children want to join the Ahmadis who stayed behind at Qadian in spite of the post-partition riots. The Indian Government readily issued permanent settlement permits.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 03 Jun 2010 05:27

1953:

Law-abiding citizens did not like the demonstrations but for fear of being dubbed as Ahmadis refrained from expressing their disapproval openly.

A student of the Primary School in Sant Nagar was surrounded by his classmates and slapped. Shouts of ‘Mirzai kutta’ were raised by them.

27th February 1953—In compliance with the decision arrived at in Karachi a warrant for the arrest of Maulana Akhtar Ali Khan was issued but when it was shown to him by the police officer who had been entrusted with its execution, the Maulana offered to give an undertaking that he would sever his connection with the agitation if he were not arrested. He was taken to the Civil Lines Police Station where he wrote out the following apology :—
“I consider the turn taken by the present movement harmful for the integrity of Pakistan and think that if this movement continues like this, the enemies of Pakistan would take undue advantage of it and every Pakistani would disapprove any such movement as jeopardises the integrity of Pakistan. The present trend of this movement tends to engender discord and chaos in the country. If, God forbid, disturbances increase and the Government is compelled to use force, it shall be highly derogatory for both sides. In my opinion, even a single drop of a Musalman’s blood is more valuable than the whole of the Universe. We should, therefore, further consider the matter in order to straighten the situation. I am not connected with the present ‘direct action’. I have never advocated violence, nor was I in favour of reproaching and abusing the Governor-General, the Prime Minister and other dignitaries of Pakistan or taking out their (mock) funeral processions or picketing their houses. What to say of doing such things, in my view, even to think of such things is not right for a right thinking Pakistani. In order to stabilise the inner administration of our country and to enhance its prestige and dignity in the eyes of foreign countries, we should abstain from committing any such act as might result in making us an object of ridicule in the eyes of the world.”
According to this document one drop of a Musalman’s blood was more precious to the Maulana than the entire creation; the Maulana had nothing to do with ‘direct action’; the shape that the movement had taken carried in it a threat to the solidarity of Pakistan; the Maulana was against violence and disorder of every sort; he could not possibly think of putting up with such things as mock funerals of the Prime Minister and other leaders or picketing of their houses ; and he was against everything which was calculated to expose Pakistan and her people to the ridicule of the world. In view of this abject apology, Maulana Akhtar Ali Khan was not arrested and no action was taken against his paper, the ‘Zamindar’, until it misbehaved again on 28th February.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 03 Jun 2010 05:50

After AIII, Shaurya and Brahmos shut up articles about "Pakistan missiles 400% more accurate than Indian missiles", we have

Pakistan's nuke arsenal bigger than India's
A series of recent estimates by international nuclear watchdogs and reputed thinktanks hold that Pakistan has a total of 70 to 90 warheads compared to India's 60 to 80. China, in comparison, has around 240 warheads.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 03 Jun 2010 05:52

So they are the PRC's strategic depth now having ~ 1/3 of PRC's arsenal? Do the need so many to deter India? They seem to seek parity a old Nazi refrain before WWII.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 03 Jun 2010 05:56

They are concerned about survivability I suppose.

I see a thinking similar to allowing rampant gun culture. The justification being that if IA entered urban areas of Pak, they would meet an armed population. The same thinking led them to resettle retired military personnel and Jihadis along with rampant gun culture in PoK and Gilgit-Baltistan. IA dare not enter the cities there now, they will be met with armed Jihadis - Hezbollah style*.

I think their reasoning is that 10000 nuke weapons means that Unkil cant snatch them all

*That always made me wonder, why havent Pakis hit upon the idea of "freedom phyters" launching home made rockets against Indian positions along LoC?

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 03 Jun 2010 06:25

Anujan wrote: *That always made me wonder, why havent Pakis hit upon the idea of "freedom phyters" launching home made rockets against Indian positions along LoC?

forgot already? They did try that and got more longer ranged 155mm landing inside their canteens.

I see a thinking similar to allowing rampant gun culture. The justification being that if IA entered urban areas of Pak, they would meet an armed population. The same thinking led them to resettle retired military personnel and Jihadis along with rampant gun culture in PoK and Gilgit-Baltistan. IA dare not enter the cities there now, they will be met with armed Jihadis - Hezbollah style*.

btw, remember a report on some retired Indian Jernails being readied up for post-war roles during Op Parakram? The idea, as per the report, was that once they fold up in the field, TFTA army will rule the crazy urban areas at the behest of these retired gentlemen. Only difference nowadays is the retired Jernail is an amirkhan but he is still letting them do his dirty work and not putting his men into the cities.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 03 Jun 2010 06:54

Anujan wrote:After AIII, Shaurya and Brahmos shut up articles about "Pakistan missiles 400% more accurate than Indian missiles", we have

Pakistan's nuke arsenal bigger than India's
A series of recent estimates by international nuclear watchdogs and reputed thinktanks hold that Pakistan has a total of 70 to 90 warheads compared to India's 60 to 80. China, in comparison, has around 240 warheads.

So says TOI (Times of Islamabad) based on SIPRI report. TOI has a habit of using psyops against India, that too as headline items. Does anyone know who these Bennet and Coleman people really are?

Back in 2002 India's processed Pu stockpile was around 9 tons, that is enough Pu for over 1000 devices.

shaardula · Post by **shaardula** » 03 Jun 2010 07:02

gupta thanks for those posts.

tends to bring religion into disrepute and to make it the laughing stock of the world, might induce us to take a different view and revert to the normal sentence for murder.

again that h&d thingie. suppose there was nobody else in the world, or they would not laff, then the judges have no problem with doing what they did. these are judges, not your regular abdul eight goat.

Vivek_A · Post by **Vivek_A** » 03 Jun 2010 08:16

Uh-oh....the American conspiracy against Mr Shrill's car...

US diplomats still working on covert agenda

ISLAMABAD – Despite the Interior Ministry’s repeated tall claims of having cleared the country of unregistered diplomats and foreigners especially of US origin, the still ongoing overt and covert activities of US diplomats in Islamabad themselves are posing direct threat to the security of the US main ally in the war on terror.
This fact came to the fore Wednesday night when two US diplomats - one of them having expired Visa - hit the vehicle of Dr Tabish, the husband of Editor TheNation Dr Shireen Mazari, on Margalla Road, Sector F-7, and made a failed attempt to run away from the scene.
According to details, the incident took place near Rana Market when Dr Tabish was on his way back to home. His car (NZ ICT 186) was hit by American diplomats who, after hitting the vehicle, tried to run away from the scene in their jeep under the cover of what they claimed their SOP in case of an accident. However, due to timely action of Islamabad Traffic Police, they were intercepted a few meters away from the place of incident.

Media circles have termed this incident as a warning to TheNation’s Editor Shireem Mazari who through her writings is regularly exposing the dubious activities of Blackwater’s personnel and US diplomats.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 03 Jun 2010 08:32

Anujan wrote:
I think their reasoning is that 10000 nuke weapons means that Unkil cant snatch them all

They haven't seen this. Yet
http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 21#p879521

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 03 Jun 2010 08:46

One of the guests on Hamid Mir's Capital Talk had a figure of speech that lingers.

He said that the hybrid sunflower has a single bloom. If you take seeds from this and grow them, the next generation of plant has many blooms. The hybrid sunflower is the Pakistan-America created jihad machine meant to fight the Soviets. The many blooms results from what Pakistan did after that with this jihad machine.

I'm not paraphrasing him well, but it is an image that lingers.

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BTW, Shiv is responsible for this other, which also lingers in the mind: "Pakistanis have not actually bothered to record how badly their nation has been doing. so busy has the nation been protecting Islam which was doing fine until Pakistan started its brainless protection racket."

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 03 Jun 2010 08:57

All this Mirza and Mirzais etc tells me that certain sports person married to certain other sports person with last name Malik (another ahmedi sounding last name) could well be "worse than kafirs" to quote Mr. Hamid Mir, the journalist.

Did this p!ss-off the Sunni Punjabi Paki elite so much? While they want to exchange bums, these worse than kafirs are getting into relations and keeping the Indian influence alive.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 03 Jun 2010 09:20

I am sure Pakis use some of these arguments

Defending the indefensible: a how-to guide

http://walt.foreignpolicy.com/posts/201 ... w_to_guide

I offer as a public service this handy 21-step guide: "How to Defend the Indefensible and Get Away With It." The connection to recent events is obvious, but such practices are commonplace in many countries and widely practiced by non-state actors as well.

Here are my 21 handy talking-points when you need to apply the white-wash:

1. We didn't do it! (Denials usually don't work, but it's worth a try).

2. We know you think we did it but we aren't admitting anything.

3. Actually, maybe we did do something but not what we are accused of doing.

4. Ok, we did it but it wasn't that bad ("waterboarding isn't really torture, you know").

5. Well, maybe it was pretty bad but it was justified or necessary. (We only torture terrorists, or suspected terrorists, or people who might know a terrorist...")

...

skaranam · Post by **skaranam** » 03 Jun 2010 09:24

Satya_anveshi wrote:All this Mirza and Mirzais etc tells me that certain sports person married to certain other sports person with last name Malik (another ahmedi sounding last name) could well be "worse than kafirs" to quote Mr. Hamid Mir, the journalist.

Did this p!ss-off the Sunni Punjabi Paki elite so much? While they want to exchange bums, these worse than kafirs are getting into relations and keeping the Indian influence alive.

Isn't Shoaib Malik a Sunni and Sania Mirza a Shia?

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 03 Jun 2010 09:33

Official Admits Militancy Has Deep Roots in Pakistan

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/03/world ... pstan.html

Days after one of the worst terrorist attacks in Pakistan, a senior Pakistani official declared in a surprising public admission that extremist groups were entrenched in the southern portion of the nation’s most populous province, underscoring the growing threats to the state.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 03 Jun 2010 09:38

skaranam wrote:Isn't Shoaib Malik a Sunni and Sania Mirza a Shia?

Apologies if I gave a different impression. I was just trying to raise a doubt / question...I really don't know if they are Shia and Sunni (resp).

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 03 Jun 2010 09:39

Satya_anveshi wrote:. . . could well be "worse than kafirs" to quote Mr. Hamid Mir, the journalist.

Now, the Knight in the Shining Armour, Mr. Hamid Mir, comes to the defence of these 'worse than kafir' Qadianis.

. . .the TTP has attacked "Yaum-e-Takbeer," or "Great Day," of the first Islamic atomic power. That was the day when, on May 28, 1998, the-then prime minister, Nawaz Sharif, despite immense American pressure, tested five {was it not one more than India's to prove Pakistan's superiority ?} nuclear devices in reply to Indian tests and Pakistan emerged as the seventh nuclear power of the world. These terror attacks on May 28, 2010, have made this Great Day a "Day of Shame."

Confrontation between Muslims and Ahmedis started in 1953 and after intense debate in the National Assembly the government of Zulfikar Ali Bhutto declared them non-Muslims in 1974. This issue was settled in a constitutional and legal way, {Really ?} and now the state is responsible for the protection of Ahmedis because they are citizens of Pakistan.

Terrorism in the country's largest province is understandable because the governor and the law minister are at loggerheads.

The other day, the imam of Lal Masjid, Maulana Abdul Aziz, said that he had forgiven all those involved in the 2007 attack on Lal Masjid, including former dictator Pervez Musharraf.

During Ghazwa-e-Ahad, Hazrat Khalid Bin Waleed was fighting against Muslims, but when he embraced Islam the Holy Prophet (PBUH) forgave him and later he proved to be a valuable asset of the Ummah, the Maulana said. May Allah forgive them and make them true Muslims, he prayed, adding that this would be our success. Many may not agree with the Maulana but he has forgiven all those responsible for the operation on Lal Masjid in 2007. {Read carefully what Hamid Mir is saying here}

The ulema, including Maulana Abdul Aziz, should apprise the nation of the rights of non-Muslims in an Islamic state and of what Islam says about those who take innocent lives. Since Ahmedis were declared a minority, the state of Pakistan is responsible for their safety. We should apologise to Ahmedis over this shameful incident.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 03 Jun 2010 10:00

This link shows Punjab law minister with Lasker-e-Jhangvi leader

This link implicates PML-N role in Ahmediya massacre

So, clearly it appears that Hamid Mir's loyalty lies with sharif brothers.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 03 Jun 2010 10:03

SSridhar wrote:The other day, the imam of Lal Masjid, Maulana Abdul Aziz, said that he had forgiven all those involved in the 2007 attack on Lal Masjid, including former dictator Pervez Musharraf.

During Ghazwa-e-Ahad, Hazrat Khalid Bin Waleed was fighting against Muslims, but when he embraced Islam the Holy Prophet (PBUH) forgave him and later he proved to be a valuable asset of the Ummah, the Maulana said. May Allah forgive them and make them true Muslims, he prayed, adding that this would be our success. Many may not agree with the Maulana but he has forgiven all those responsible for the operation on Lal Masjid in 2007. {Read carefully what Hamid Mir is saying here}

So, who has embraced Islam in response to Lal Masjid aftermath/ reaction and who is going to be a "valuable asset"?

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 03 Jun 2010 10:18

IMO Allah is putting pakis to real test. Just as they are done(?) dealing with Hunza lake thingy, there is this cyclone that is expected to hit Sindh and Balochistan ready to give them more water chappar phad ke not just for drinking but to doob maroing

Sri · Post by **Sri** » 03 Jun 2010 11:05

3 Pakis against Israel

Fast Forward to around 11:43... Parvez Hoodbhoy takes the on the presenter with gusto...

At Around 14:40... Parvez Hoodbhoy : "Aap mujhe ye batayen, ki Pakistan kar kya sakta hai in halat mein?"

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 03 Jun 2010 13:12

French Pres.Sarko implicated in Paki sub scandal,says report.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 142987.ece

Excerpt:

President Sarkozy named by inquiry into Pakistan submarine paymentsCharles Bremner, Paris .
President Sarkozy was caught up in a long-simmering kickbacks scandal yesterday when police in Luxembourg named him as the creator of a company that handled tens of millions of pounds in illegal funds.

An inquiry appears to implicate Mr Sarkozy in a case involving the sale of French submarines to Pakistan in 1994. It will strengthen suspicions of French investigators that money from the contract was funnelled to finance a 1995 presidential campaign managed by Mr Sarkozy, who was then Budget Minister.

Two French judges believe that a dispute between France and Pakistan over unpaid commissions led Pakistani agents to bomb a bus carrying French-employed shipyard workers in Karachi in 2002. Fourteen people died in the attack, 11 of them French. The attack was originally blamed on al-Qaeda.

Last year Mr Sarkozy dismissed as fantasy allegations that money intended for secret commissions to middlemen during the sale of the submarines had been used to finance the 1995 campaign of Edouard Balladur. Mr Balladur, then the Prime Minister, was backed by Mr Sarkozy in an unsuccessful race against Jacques Chirac. After Mr Chirac won, he halted further payment of the submarine commissions, it has emerged from the French inquiry.

PS:Sarko is immune while he is still pres. and there is no crisis in Paris over this.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 03 Jun 2010 14:45

Vivek_A wrote:US diplomats still working on covert agenda
...Dr Tabish, the husband of Editor TheNation Dr Shireen Mazari...

Holy cow! She's married? Doc Sa'ab must be a glutton for punishment to be married to that wunderbabe. Oh well. To each his own!

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 03 Jun 2010 14:59

Sri wrote:3 Pakis against Israel Fast Forward to around 11:43... Parvez Hoodbhoy takes the on the presenter with gusto..."

This Naseem Zehra woman is the same pakjabi who took on Baloch nationalist students on national television and was soundly embarrassed and defeated by them in an open-dialog type discussion (topic was something like " how come you don't want to remain pa'astanis?"). Apparently, soon after this discussion, many of those Baloch students were picked up by the local agencies. IMHO, This is one dangerous individual with political connections.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 03 Jun 2010 15:14

More pakis on their way
AoA. The tribe is on a growth trajectory.

The population explosion is the most severe threat to economic and social development of Pakistan as it has already touched 173 million in 2010 and is projected to climb to 242.05 million by the year 2030, it is learnt.

For official indicators, the figure of total population is used at 166 million but the new projections worked out by official circles clearly indicate that although population census was not being done but their projection showed that it has already climbed to 173 million.

The experts on population are projecting that the annual birth rate was on rising side compared to death incidence. The annual birth rate in Pakistan stands at 4.85 million while death rate is 1.29 million in 2010. The birth rate is projected to rise to 5.03 million by 2018 while it will decline to 4.92 million by 2021.

The population growth is projected to cross 202.81 million in 2018

Who said the pakis are not good at anything? BTW, I think the current population figures are still on the lower side. I remember reading the figures of 180M plus (in 2010) somewhere.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 03 Jun 2010 15:19

Only in pa'astan:

Removal of ‘obscene material’ from YouTube ordered

The Sindh High Court (SHC) on Wednesday directed the chairman Pakistan Telecommunication Authority (PTA) to ensure that all “obscene material”, which had been uploaded on the YouTube website from Pakistan, are removed or blocked immediately. The court observed that if any obscene material remains available on the website or uploaded in future from Pakistan, officials of the PTA shall be held responsible and they be exposed to criminal proceedings.

Does this qualify as obscene? My day is now made. I can now go to my mundane job with a smile.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 03 Jun 2010 16:47

A gesture of peace:
http://criticalppp.org/lubp/archives/12297

Khurshid Khan, an eminent 60-year-old lawyer and deputy attorney general of Pakistan, wants to “heal the wounds” of the terror-stricken minority Sikh community in that country.
So he does an extraordinary thing at a temple in the northwestern city of Peshawar.

Every day when he handles his work as a legal expert, Khan visits a Sikh temple in center of the city, wraps a piece of cloth around his head to show his respect, and sits in the doorway to shine the shoes of Sikhs, whose community has come under frequent attack by Taliban militants over the last few years.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 03 Jun 2010 18:21

Another taqquiya article
VIEW: The cost of double standards –Sheharyar Malhi

When the likes of non-state actors such as Faisal Shahzad engage in an act of terror, Senator Clinton warns Pakistan of “very serious consequences” but when a state-sponsored terrorist act takes place in international waters killing innocents, there seems to be an awkward silence from the corridors of power

So treat us with kids gloves irrespective of what ever we do and hey just to make us more happy punish those jews.

I consider myself a moderate Muslim. Almost all the people I know and have grown up with seem to me liberal, temperate and tolerant citizens. That is how most people are in Pakistan, apart from, of course, the insignificant minority of fanatics, who choose to blow themselves up and always seem to be making headlines in the Western media as the ‘real face’ of Pakistan. The fact of the matter is that these extremists are more despised in Pakistan than anywhere else, primarily because Pakistanis themselves have suffered the most at the hands of these radicals. This hatred for fanaticism, however, should not be mistaken as love for the US. Most liberal Pakistanis give half the ‘credit’ for the condition they are in to the US, while many think it is US policies, its undesirable interventions and historic vested interests alone that have thrown Pakistan into the fire, the heat of which the US now dreads.

This can be read as I am a wolf in sheeps clothes so I am right now pretending to be a sheep and you guys better listen to me before the moon rises and I become the warewolf u guys are scared of like faisal or headley. So insignificant minority that this paki is refering to is almost 90% of all the terrorism problems that world is facing.

keep reading folks if you are interested I am already closing the window.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 03 Jun 2010 18:54

anupmisra wrote:Holy cow! She's married? Doc Sa'ab must be a glutton for punishment to be married to that wunderbabe. Oh well. To each his own!

He must be gay. And shrill must be the mard in this relationship.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 03 Jun 2010 18:58

Khurshid Khan, an eminent 60-year-old lawyer and deputy attorney general of Pakistan, wants to “heal the wounds” of the terror-stricken minority Sikh community in that country.
So he does an extraordinary thing at a temple in the northwestern city of Peshawar.

Every day when he handles his work as a legal expert, Khan visits a Sikh temple in center of the city, wraps a piece of cloth around his head to show his respect, and sits in the doorway to shine the shoes of Sikhs, whose community has come under frequent attack by Taliban militants over the last few years.

He could very well be a son or grandson of a former sikh who converted due to earlier Jihadis (1947).

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 03 Jun 2010 19:24

Satya_anveshi wrote:
skaranam wrote:Isn't Shoaib Malik a Sunni and Sania Mirza a Shia?
Apologies if I gave a different impression. I was just trying to raise a doubt / question...I really don't know if they are Shia and Sunni (resp).

"Mirza", shortened version of "Amir-Zada" is a title meaning "prince". It's a widely used name among Indian Muslims, and I guess implies some royal connection in the family history. Ahmedias are derisively referred to as mirzais because their founder was named Mirza Ghulam Ahmed. Other than that, the name "mirza" has no particular correlation with being Ahmediya.

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 03 Jun 2010 19:56

China involves Pak in cross-border trade to internationalize Yuan

Apologies if posted earlier

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 03 Jun 2010 20:07

SBajwa wrote:
Khurshid Khan, an eminent 60-year-old lawyer and deputy attorney general of Pakistan, wants to “heal the wounds” of the terror-stricken minority Sikh community in that country.
So he does an extraordinary thing at a temple in the northwestern city of Peshawar.

Every day when he handles his work as a legal expert, Khan visits a Sikh temple in center of the city, wraps a piece of cloth around his head to show his respect, and sits in the doorway to shine the shoes of Sikhs, whose community has come under frequent attack by Taliban militants over the last few years.
He could very well be a son or grandson of a former sikh who converted due to earlier Jihadis (1947).

IMHO< we should appreciate the gesture. MY be somewhere deep down Indic blood urge him to do so and he has not yet lost his humanity completely, helping him keeping animalistic part of life subdued even surrounded by the man animals.

Bhima · Post by **Bhima** » 03 Jun 2010 20:11

Pakistan rules out offensive against Punjab militants