Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XIII
Posted: 06 Jan 2015 03:50
Vivek,
when will the book be out on Amazon ?
when will the book be out on Amazon ?
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Indeed saar. If the Pakis can copy the terrorism ideas from the novel, why shouldn't our own guys learn the response mechanisms?RamaY wrote:Vivek Ji...
Pls send a copy of Fenix book to Sri Sheshadri Chari
http://youtu.be/DGOpIF3afYU
So Fenix is currently being edited. Give it another two weeks before that gets done. At that point it goes into publication.Khalsa wrote:Vivek,
when will the book be out on Amazon ?
Eagerly waiting for this!The first limited edition of the book in print will be hardcover (~500 copies; intended for the faithtful BRF readers here).
One copy for me please!vivek_ahuja wrote: The first limited edition of the book in print will be hardcover (~500 copies; intended for the faithtful BRF readers here). All others after that will be in paperback.
-Vivek
There are enough journalists in India and opposition politicians who will set up a clamor that Jndia has violated its no-first-use policy etc.anand_sankar wrote:Vivek,
For once I have to say, I am not convinced with the Pakis nuking Lahore themselves. It is an impossible sell for them to say the Indians did it. For one, India has a 'stated' no first use policy. And there was plenty of opportunity to retaliate for Mumbai if they wanted to, but they went conventional instead. It is far easier for the Indians to sell the idea that Pakistan is out of control and the Jihadis are in control of the nuclear arsenal.
That said I am a huge fan of you exploring the use of nuclear weapons in your storylines. It is a line no writers want to cross because it is so difficult to conceptualise what happens next.
You better not vanish for 3 months now!!!
Great News. I hope Hard cover is available on Flipkart or amazon.in immediately. Last time I had to order from Amazon.com which exported to India with all postal charges. I could have ordered two on price of one. It occupies pride of place on the Shelf.vivek_ahuja wrote:
So Fenix is currently being edited. Give it another two weeks before that gets done. At that point it goes into publication.
Fenix should be available in hard copies and kindle soft copies globally via amazon and flipkart.
The first limited edition of the book in print will be hardcover (~500 copies; intended for the faithtful BRF readers here). All others after that will be in paperback.
-Vivek
Minor nitpick: Shouldn't it be pore over ?Ansari turned to see Basu waving him into the conference room. He walked over to find the diminutive RAW man with balding hair and a brown suit standing near the table as younger members of his team poured over maps and paper printouts of what looked like transcripts of conversations. Ansari smiled at that. RAW doing what it did best: behind the scenes dirty work
And this from 4 Feb 2014: Auto rivals gear up for defence order19 February 2008
Here's a family photograph of the vehicles that are competing for the army's requirement of 228 Light Support Vehicles (LSV). These are for the Reconnaissance Platoons of the mechanised infantry battalions.
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The vehicles in the line-up are (left to right): The Mahindra Axe, the Vectra LSV, the Flyer being fielded by the Ordnance Factory Board (OFB), and the Tata LSV. From what I hear, the Mahindra Axe is the best-performing vehicle in the trials, but it is unlikely to win because of the L-1 system.
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New Delhi, Feb. 4: The Tatas and the Mahindras will square off with one another for Indian Army’s Rs 2,000-crore order for about 20,000 station wagons tailored specifically to the needs of the military.
The army held rigorous trials of the variants of Tata Safari Storme and Mahindra Scorpio in the deserts of Rajasthan and eastern Himalayas in Sikkim. It is expected to announce its preferred vehicle and place the order later this year.
The entire army will use the new vehicle, which will replace their current fleet of Gypsies and Mahindra Jeeps. The Tatas are tipped to be leading the race, but the deal could be split given the huge size of the order.
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However, the army has now split its requirement into three — a station wagon, which will be a basic people mover, a light armoured specialist vehicle that can have weapons such as a machine gun mounted on it and a light-armoured multi-role vehicle, which will have a blast-proof underbelly to protect it from mines.
The Mahindras will also be bidding for the second category — a 4-5-tonne light specialist vehicle — for which a tender is expected in March this year. The Mahindras will use the Axe platform for the vehicle.
Col. Sukhvinder Hayer (retd), senior general manager of Mahindra Defence Land Systems, said, “We have developed our own vehicle for this category and it will be competing with the Tatas here.” The market for the various kinds of specialist vehicles required by Indian Army is estimated to be worth $10 billion.
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One small nitpick - shouldn't it be 'lesser' detection time?vivek_ahuja wrote:
SKIES ABOVE RAHIM YAR KHAN
DAY 2 + 2045 HRS
The airspace in western Rajasthan had been crowding up ever since Mongol-three first detected the Babur cruise missile launches east of Quetta. Ever since the war had started, the unique radar signature of the ground-launched Pakistani missile had been passed around between all the Indian airborne radar aircraft for future reference. This allowed greater detection time and earlier warnings.
Well what I had in mind was 7th Fleet like interventions which had potential to change the course of war. Arabs could have been far more formidable had they lent full weight politically to the War as well as send their armies to bolster the paki efforts. A resolution in OIC or sending few weapons ( could be for a price) may not qualify as intervention. Supplies are always procured from many sources. India did source weapons and ammos during Kargil war from Israel and few other countries. Does it mean that Israel intervened in the war?? It was unkil which was trying to intervene.Rahul M wrote:many arab nations sent weapons even aeroplanes in 65 & 71. we even destroyed one such.
My two cents.vivek_ahuja wrote:So the question about Arab air forces intervention is a valid one. And something I had toyed with when writing Fenix. But I could never convince myself on what conditions would need to exist for these countries to send material aid (in the form of airplanes, equipment etc.). Allow me to raise these doubts:
1. It is true that in 1965 and 1971, they sent the aid to the Paki air force in the form of replacement jets. But back then, the backdrop of complete destruction of these aircraft was considered unlikely by the Arabs since nuclear weapons usage was not a concern. With nuclear weapons already unsheathed and used by the Pakis on two occasions already in this war, would the Arabs still be willing to send their expensive equipment to the aid of Rawalpindi?
They would worry more about their moolah then supporting pakis. In fact Iran would encourage India to take punitive action should Arabs play truant. Their supply lines can by harassed. And threat of Long Range missiles giving them a lesson or two when they can not attack directly via land route should give them something to chew on. In Nuclear eventuality all bets are off unlike conventional warfare. They dare not intervene lest they may get a taste of Nukes.
2. The Pakis were on extremely good terms with the western states back then, despite their genocidal activities. But with the state of affairs as they are today, does the same conditions apply? Considering how the economic state of the world is now, would the Arab states still be willing to part with billions of dollars worth of equipment when the state of the war is such as it is?
Its not equipments but their economies. If oil interests are threatened Ubkil would surely intervene to contain the conflagration and not allow the war to expand to more theatres. They would risk pakis to keep oil bearing ME intact.
3. What level of aid could be provided, if they did agree to do it? Surely sending a few airplanes would hurt the Indians but would not turn the tide of the war. What would be needed is dozens of aircraft plus tankers and even some E-3 type coverage. Is that something the Sauds are going to go out on a limb for the Pakis?
Whether saudis would risk being nuked??
Just some thoughts.
-Vivek
Ideally, yes. That is correct, as I have also stated in the scenario:vila wrote:Vivek Sir,
Why the Indian Apaches didn't attack the Paki Cobras and Jags or Mig 27 attack the paki armour with cluster ammo? Wouldn't it be more convenient?
But the issue here was the time factor. The Apaches and Cobras move much slower than the fixed wing aircraft. Considering when and where the Cobras were detected, there wasn't much time to send the Apaches after them. By the time they would have reached within range of the Cobras, the latter would already have been hammering Rhino tanks on the N-5.vivek_ahuja wrote:Sending fixed wing aircraft after low-flying helicopters was an iffy business. The best counter for an attack helicopter was another attack helicopter. Especially in terrain where the attackers could stay out of range of the defending ground forces and their organic anti-air capabilities. Ideally, the Indian Apache gunships would have gone after the Pakistani Cobras, but they were already moving into positions to play hell with the inbound T-80 columns…
I believe they would eventually do that, saar. But haven't seen anything definitive on that yet. Perhaps that scenario will change in a year?wont the LCH carry IGLA's ?
Arshyam,arshyam wrote:Vivek sir, about the Apaches - have you considered US not allowing us to use them against the Pakis, or withholding spares? This is a likely scenario, given their penchant for sanctioning us over one thing or another, asking for intrusive inspections, etc. which is why India thinks twice before buying any US maal. Maybe I have missed out some posts where you account for this as US policy change after the Mumbai attack, but wanted to get your thoughts on this.
Also, Chimera had a lot of LCH action, and by now, shouldn't the product have matured and be deployed in more numbers? Do you have any action in store for them?
vivek_ahuja wrote:So the question about Arab air forces intervention is a valid one. And something I had toyed with when writing Fenix. But I could never convince myself on what conditions would need to exist for these countries to send material aid (in the form of airplanes, equipment etc.). Allow me to raise these doubts:
1. It is true that in 1965 and 1971, they sent the aid to the Paki air force in the form of replacement jets. But back then, the backdrop of complete destruction of these aircraft was considered unlikely by the Arabs since nuclear weapons usage was not a concern. With nuclear weapons already unsheathed and used by the Pakis on two occasions already in this war, would the Arabs still be willing to send their expensive equipment to the aid of Rawalpindi?
2. The Pakis were on extremely good terms with the western states back then, despite their genocidal activities. But with the state of affairs as they are today, does the same conditions apply? Considering how the economic state of the world is now, would the Arab states still be willing to part with billions of dollars worth of equipment when the state of the war is such as it is?
Vivek Ji, Thanks The reason for support of Pakistanis by Arabs is fundamentally religion that still remains whether War goes Nuclear or not and using Nuclear Weapons in war with Kufr state India is much more that Sauidi's will nourish. PA SSG group involvement in Saudia in 2010 and Their involvement in state affairs with Miyan Sharif during Kargil war shows much more deep evolving relationship between Pakistan and Arabs. Do Remember India Never showed any kind of hard stand in 1971 war to Arabs for Supporting Pakistan So why should they take us seriously for any military reaction also per your scenario no NW has been used by India in this war. As far as Economy is concerned India War machinery also runs on Arab Oil we have to take that factor in account as well. and we cannot nuke them because that will bring Unkil In Picture
3. What level of aid could be provided, if they did agree to do it? Surely sending a few airplanes would hurt the Indians but would not turn the tide of the war. What would be needed is dozens of aircraft plus tankers and even some E-3 type coverage. Is that something the Sauds are going to go out on a limb for the Pakis?
Definitely Arabs will never want to be engaged in war full time atleast to start with, But Arabia can definitely pump in Money to acquire planes, tanks from China or do some token help like sending in a SQDN of Eurofighters. It would be a interesting take for Trained IAF pilotsflying MKI vs RSAF Typhoons... My Wish and Two Cents
Just some thoughts.
-Vivek