Re: 2020 US election results discussion
Posted: 13 Nov 2020 23:40
Is that so? Despite Trump doing more for Blacks and minorities than any other President in the history of America ? LoL.
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That is to do with demographic and political shifts and realignments. What I was saying in last few posts that voting system is fraud prone especially this year to large extent and Democrats can game the system better. I don't mean Republicans are saints or discussions mean Biden loses.Cyrano wrote:Is that so? Despite Trump doing more for Blacks and minorities than any other President in the history of America ? LoL.
Worse than that. It is like TMC is in charge of polling locations and then state election commission, pretending to be neutral but filled with TMC cadres, accept postal ballots which are not verified and arrive after the day of election from Bangladesh itself. TMC wins!Rony wrote:ShyamsP wrote: *Verification - As an example in California, one can theoritically cross border across from Mexico, get driving license and vote in California. That how bad system is.
So its like Mamata Banerjee/Congress guys using illegal Bangladeshis, giving them ration cards or aadhar's and using them as a vote bank ?
The Denton county sheriff was suspicious when the absentee ballot was ordered in the name of a non-existent senior housing. Otherwise, this would not have been caught.dsreedhar wrote:Coming to polling fraud there was a recent incident in Dallas, Texas. This is not related to Presidential election but a mayoral election. The guy (Mohamed) requested absentee ballots and doing fraudulent activity. The guy himself was a candidate contesting. Imagine if a single guy like him, possibly immigrant can trick the system, what can a organized group of leftists and islamists could do?
https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2020/10/08/car ... ter-fraud/
Whether Trump gets the WH office or not, the system need to be cleaned up, fraudsters and criminals be punished for a better, secure polling system for future of democracy.
Agree with Rony his take on NYT/Wapo/CNN/NPR/BBC. Bunch of leftist media. Long timers in BRF should be knowing that by now.
Technically, we are NOT voting to decide the President but casting our votes to ELECT THE MEMBERS OF THE ELECTORAL COLLEGEb in each state. Each party in each state decides who will be in the slate of the electoral college in that state to represent that party. That is the reason why we have so few 'faithless voters'.ShyamSP wrote:All they have to prove frauds happened. Dead people voting is clear case one type of frauds.saip wrote:Saying something COULD happen is not equivalent to saying something DID happen. That is the way courts function. 'Beyond reasonable doubt' or 'Preponderance of Evidence', depending on what type of case, come to mind. That is the way it has been and that is the way it should be.
Theoretically, Legislature and/or court can declare fraud and they don't need to invalidate all votes. Legislature can ask Electors to vote for the other candidate.
Voting in election is to indicate preference of Presidential candidate only.
All this can be solved if Trump concedes. Hence a lot of propaganda in main stream media and twitters - "Trump, you are sore loser, why don't you concede?"
Constitution of the USA gives power to each state's legislatures to frame necessary laws and rules as to how electoral college members are decided and how they vote. They have already done that. To change that procedure they have to pass another act. But that would be considered ex post facto law, is it not? Would courts (who will ultimately decide the validity of such laws) accept those laws?ShyamSP wrote:All they have to prove frauds happened. Dead people voting is clear case one type of frauds.saip wrote:Saying something COULD happen is not equivalent to saying something DID happen. That is the way courts function. 'Beyond reasonable doubt' or 'Preponderance of Evidence', depending on what type of case, come to mind. That is the way it has been and that is the way it should be.
Theoretically, Legislature and/or court can declare fraud and they don't need to invalidate all votes. Legislature can ask Electors to vote for the other candidate."
Process allows state legislatures to vote for different candidate. So technically whole state legislatures can go "Faithless" and vote for different candidate than candidate that wins the state. Once electors get selected, they individually can go Faithless and vote differently.saip wrote:Technically, we are NOT voting to decide the President but casting our votes to ELECT THE MEMBERS OF THE ELECTORAL COLLEGEb in each state. Each party in each state decides who will be in the slate of the electoral college in that state to represent that party. That is the reason why we have so few 'faithless voters'.ShyamSP wrote:
All they have to prove frauds happened. Dead people voting is clear case one type of frauds.
Theoretically, Legislature and/or court can declare fraud and they don't need to invalidate all votes. Legislature can ask Electors to vote for the other candidate.
Voting in election is to indicate preference of Presidential candidate only.
All this can be solved if Trump concedes. Hence a lot of propaganda in main stream media and twitters - "Trump, you are sore loser, why don't you concede?"
As I indicated before if Trump does NOT concede and keeps this going till Jan 6th, then President will be elected by the NEW House of Representatives. In that election, as far as I can tell, Trump seems to have the majority.
wow. life is indeed a circle. I remember seeing these quotes back in 2000 when Bush vs Gore battle was going on and I was enjoying the schadenfreude. The more things change the more they stay the same.chetak wrote:via whatsapp
Really, more than Lincoln's emancipation, Johnson's civil rights act of 1964, Grant's creation of justice department and the prosecution of clan, Roosevelt repealing Poll tax that taxed Black people more, Truman desegregating the military.Cyrano wrote:Is that so? Despite Trump doing more for Blacks and minorities than any other President in the history of America ? LoL.
Dude, what the hell, this was a email attachment back in rediff mail days. It's not the exact quote but the line was something along "how US can change governments on foreign soil, but cannot change their own governments properly". Did you think we lived in stone age back in 2000?Mort Walker wrote:^^^You’re lying. Smart phones and SM was nowhere significant in 2000. In 2000 people in the US were transitioning from dial up to broadband internet.
As usual you're being disingenuous.saip wrote: Technically, we are NOT voting to decide the President but casting our votes to ELECT THE MEMBERS OF THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE in each state. Each party in each state decides who will be in the slate of the electoral college in that state to represent that party. That is the reason why we have so few 'faithless voters'.
As I indicated before if Trump does NOT concede and keeps this going till Jan 6th, then President will be elected by the NEW House of Representatives. In that election, as far as I can tell, Trump seems to have the majority.
Passing around email attachments is vastly different than SM as we know it today. Your schadenfreude is in your mind.Jay wrote:Dude, what the hell, this was a email attachment back in rediff mail days. It's not the exact quote but the line was something along "how US can change governments on foreign soil, but cannot change their own governments properly". Did you think we lived in stone age back in 2000?Mort Walker wrote:^^^You’re lying. Smart phones and SM was nowhere significant in 2000. In 2000 people in the US were transitioning from dial up to broadband internet.
ok!Mort Walker wrote:
Passing around email attachments is vastly different than SM as we know it today. Your schadenfreude is in your mind.
One thing people should be thankful for Trump. He unmasked a lot of things for people that are free thinking.Rony wrote:US media and anyone who thought CNBC is better than NYT/Wapo/CNN/NPR/BBC etc . I thought they do it only for India and Modi![]()
Trump probably is NOT aware that the voting in the USA is by SECRET BALLOT. Once the ballots are out of the envelope there can never be any ID or mark on the ballots themselves. If it is there it is an invalid ballot. Whatever signature is there it is on the OUTER envelope (if there are two envelopes the inside envelope is called Secrecy Envelope/Sleeve for a reason). Because of the Constitutional protection about privacy there can not be a link between the envelope and the ballot which in anyway can identify the ballot. All challenges happen BEFORE the envelope is opened. BTW in GA if you vote in person the polling agent verifies your ID and Signature BEFORE he gives you an electronic card to be inserted into the machine which then displays the ballot. After you vote (by touch screen) the machine prints a QR code which can then be used to verify if your vote went through. AFAIK there are no paper ballots to count if you used the machine or using the QR code you may be able to print the ballot but it will not have any ID. What could have happened though is that as this is the FIRST time they are using these machines (they thought of changing these machines but felt not enough time to do that) and some of the voters could have been confused and voted wrongly. But nothing to do with stealing/fixing the election.
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"The Consent Decree signed by the Georgia Secretary of State, with the approval of Governor @BrianKempGA, at the urging of @staceyabrams, makes it impossible to check & match signatures on ballots and envelopes, etc. They knew they were going to cheat. Must expose real signatures!"
Nope. Fraud has occurred in Philadelphia, Atlanta, Detroit, and Milwaukee, along with other states and cities. Invalid ballots were counted. Once the ballot is removed from the secrecy envelope, there is no way to determine which ballots are invalid. The postal ballot system needs to be prohibited by law. If Biden is elected next month, then he should be immediately impeached. Hopefully that happens in January 2023.saip wrote:As far as I am concerned Trump lost the election fair and square by, in his own words, a landslide (not true but who am I to correct Trump?)
Mort Walker, you, as well as many voices in the media, are stating as established fact the allegation that the admittedly flawed vote-by-mail system was designed to benefit Democratic cheaters exclusively, with Republicans being solely the innocent victims.Mort Walker wrote:Nothing is going to come out of the Georgia recount except more votes for Biden. The cheat by mail system has been fixed by the Dems in a few populous counties. If this was an honest look at the vote counting for this election, the Dems would have been screaming bloody murder by now. The only solution is to ban the mass vote by mail system. Only in rare conditions should it be offered.
Regardless, if someone else signs a voter’s ballot, it should be caught by elections workers, who are supposed to check to make sure the signature on the ballot envelope matches the signature on file with the elections supervisor. That’s the only way the office attempts to confirm that the person casting the ballot is the actual voter.
But it wasn’t caught.
Post reporters looked at the signature on Joseph’s ballot envelope and it didn’t appear to match his signature on file with the elections supervisor. State law forbids making copies of election signatures so reporters could only view them.
Don't you think Democrats can also contest against Republican wins? No one is stopping them.KLNMurthy wrote: What I am not able to see is how the flaws in the system amount to Democrats exclusively playing the role of evil cheaters and Republicans exclusively playing the role of passive, innocent victims.
You are in good company - courts all across the country don't see it either. Most of these phaltu lawsuits have been rejected. Even the lawyers in some cases (PA) have withdrawn from representing Trump, so he's turned to Rudy Giuliani now. And of course, I assume most of the campaign donors are unaware that their donations are going to pay $300-an-hour lawyers going to court with nothing to show by way of facts...instead of peacefully winding down the campaign and paying off whoever is owed money.KLNMurthy wrote:What I am not able to see is how the flaws in the system amount to Democrats exclusively playing the role of evil cheaters and Republicans exclusively playing the role of passive, innocent victims. It seems to me that talking and writing as if this is actually the case is nothing but verbal flimflammery, intended to bamboozle the unwary into buying a partisan political point of view. Communists and Muslim activists, among others, use this sort of tactic all the time, and it works, so I can see the appeal for politicos.
If you make the mistake of giving this another shot, all you will get is the same assertions in different language. As you have already pointed out, there are no facts to support this. And obviously he is not going to turn around and tell you he was wrong after all.Please tell me why I am wrong, if you would.
I misunderstood you. So you only want to prove there is fraud but not reverse the count? If fraud is proven then people will go to jail which is the right thing to do. There is NOT a single instance,as far as I can tell, in the annals of US Election that fraud nullified an election result. Can you cite an instance?ShyamSP wrote:That's fine. How many invalid envelops came can show extent of invalid votes. How invalid votes can be deducted or whether Biden/Trump won or not is different from knowing extent of invalid votes or fraud.
So, will Trump campaign fight for a re-election in NJ, or only the states where he "needs to win/has a chance to win" ? Why no lawsuit there ?vera_k wrote:^ Search for "New Local Election Ordered in N.J. After Mail-In Voter Fraud Charges". Mail-in voting has been far from trouble free this year.
AkshaySG wrote:Also another thing I somehow don't understand here are posters who think Trump was crucial to Indian interests and that Biden would be a catastrophe ...Anyone who has followed US politics knows that Biden is one of the most "old system" guys there is in politics ... he isn't bernie , he isn't AOC and he isn't about to usher in a far left world order . In terms of political spectrum BIden and Modi are far closer to each other than Modi is to trump . Trump just has a liking for people he percieves as strongmen otherwise in terms of policy they are quite different .
Full full disclosure I support BJP and Modi like the work they are doing back in India but that does not mean that I also support the current iteration of the Republican Party who just seem to be off their rockers , I would take a Mccain , tulsi , Yang or Romney like candidate but if they are not available then a center left and system guy like Biden is far more suitable to Trump's cabal .and Modi's intl work and image only gets harmed when he gets clubbed in with idiots like Bolsnaro and Trump ... Modi is more similar to Shinzo Abe, Johnson or even Putin than those two idiots .
Trump and his minions have no affinity for India or Indians , they''ll do a 180 whenever it suits their agenda . At least with a Biden you know things will be .
United States needs India to counter Chinese interests no matter who the President is so don't freak out so much about Trump losing
I know that .. And Modi/BJP know that too , I just find it weird when people think that just because we support a right wing party in India it means that we also have to support every right-wing party/movement in the world ..No matter how ridiculous and downright crazy some of them may be .KJo wrote:AkshaySG wrote:Also another thing I somehow don't understand here are posters who think Trump was crucial to Indian interests and that Biden would be a catastrophe ...Anyone who has followed US politics knows that Biden is one of the most "old system" guys there is in politics ... he isn't bernie , he isn't AOC and he isn't about to usher in a far left world order . In terms of political spectrum BIden and Modi are far closer to each other than Modi is to trump . Trump just has a liking for people he percieves as strongmen otherwise in terms of policy they are quite different .
Full full disclosure I support BJP and Modi like the work they are doing back in India but that does not mean that I also support the current iteration of the Republican Party who just seem to be off their rockers , I would take a Mccain , tulsi , Yang or Romney like candidate but if they are not available then a center left and system guy like Biden is far more suitable to Trump's cabal .and Modi's intl work and image only gets harmed when he gets clubbed in with idiots like Bolsnaro and Trump ... Modi is more similar to Shinzo Abe, Johnson or even Putin than those two idiots .
Trump and his minions have no affinity for India or Indians , they''ll do a 180 whenever it suits their agenda . At least with a Biden you know things will be .
United States needs India to counter Chinese interests no matter who the President is so don't freak out so much about Trump losing
Modi is for India, regardless of who the President of the US is. Modi was among those who congratulated Biden. There is little sense in virtue-signalling and making enemies of the leader of a powerful nation regardless of who he is.
I have a similar view. At this point I am wishing for Joe's continued good health and mental competence, since the two next in chain of command (Harris and Pelosi) are absolute far-lefters.AkshaySG wrote:Also another thing I somehow don't understand here are posters who think Trump was crucial to Indian interests and that Biden would be a catastrophe ...Anyone who has followed US politics knows that Biden is one of the most "old system" guys there is in politics ... he isn't bernie , he isn't AOC and he isn't about to usher in a far left world order . In terms of political spectrum BIden and Modi are far closer to each other than Modi is to trump.
How many ppl have wished you 'Sal Mubarak' on Deepavali?KL Dubey wrote:I have a similar view. At this point I am wishing for Joe's continued good health and mental competence, since the two next in chain of command (Harris and Pelosi) are absolute far-lefters.AkshaySG wrote:Also another thing I somehow don't understand here are posters who think Trump was crucial to Indian interests and that Biden would be a catastrophe ...Anyone who has followed US politics knows that Biden is one of the most "old system" guys there is in politics ... he isn't bernie , he isn't AOC and he isn't about to usher in a far left world order . In terms of political spectrum BIden and Modi are far closer to each other than Modi is to trump.