Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 08 Dec 2013 20:14

harbans wrote:The rise of AAP is also lack of basic analytical ability in youth. Corruption being passed off as root cause of problems, rather than an effect of bad policies. Something that on the corruption thread i mentioned and argued about 2 years ago. That propped a large section of youngsters who don't go much into why corruption happens, but nod in agreement readily to those loudest in rhetoric against corruption. Engaging in rational meaningful analysis is still largely absent in Indian schools, colleges and cocktail circuits. A lot of rhetoric flows freely as analysis. AAP benefited largely from the absence of such ethics amongst the population.

No harbans ji, this is maya only. The youth is perfect actually-well at least a majority of it-which is as much as your NEED is.

Pls entertain this if you have not already made up your mind:

Fact -
1.72 lac votes were cast outside the watchful eyes of the normal voter after 5 PM. No TV footage exists of this. AAP has gotten major gains in Congress strongholds and the surge vote was reported from south delhi and new delhi. These areas are also with AAP.

My Theory (CT if you may) -
What I am mulling is what if the surge vote was managed by congress for the benefit of AAP in areas where either the voters did not come out (south and new delhi) or where the race was expected to be neck and neck. While they had already transferred their votes to AAP in strongholds during the normal course of the day like in Seema puri etc.

Circumstantial evidence - Congress had already abandoned Shiela for about a month. Congress rallies were going empty in Delhi despite the fact that they actually have the strongest of worker base here. Nobody not even the best connected of BJP walas could say for sure where these 1.72 lac votes came from. Most people I spoke to were saying they expect this to be a face saving measure by congress. Rumours are that 8-9 congressis are already talking about merging with AAP and this is already almost done. Santosh Hegde and Tauquir Raza are in the Delhi based news studios (most likely in Delhi itself).

My 2 paisa - We BJP well wishers have been fooled in Delhi.

Caveat - I am not a well linked political worker. I have mostly done some marginal campaigning for BJP.

Nitesh · Post by **Nitesh** » 08 Dec 2013 20:14

Agree with victor, AAP needs to be countered aggressively, or BJP will be up for a surprise

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 08 Dec 2013 20:16

Heard on CNN IBN abt. RaGa by the RaGu >> This guy is a well meaning loser. The sooner he is kicked out the better for congress.

Why this angst within the Secoolar brigade against this harmless child Hanji?

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 08 Dec 2013 20:17

Folks - we can say what we like, but Khujliwal's party managed one slick campaign, and was aided by a hyper sympathetic media. Until Modi and Harshvardhan came, it was going to be a Shiela vs Khujli (both figuratively and literally) battle. The D4 deserve a lot of this blame. But now that NaMo is leading, we can expect more inspirational leaders and organic growth of the party. In one way, it is a good thing if Khujliwal exposes himself to a Lok Sabha elections. We can drag in Prashant Bhushan's Pakistani and Naxalite sympathies, and his anarchism into the open. We can focus on Khujli's terrorist sympathies and consorting with communalists of the worst sort. There is time yet to burst the Khujli bubble in the coming six months.

rajithn · Post by **rajithn** » 08 Dec 2013 20:20

ravi_g wrote: No harbans ji, this is maya only. The youth is perfect actually-well at least a majority of it-which is as much as your NEED is.

Pls entertain this if you have not already made up your mind:

Fact -
1.72 lac votes were cast outside the watchful eyes of the normal voter after 5 PM. No TV footage exists of this. AAP has gotten major gains in Congress strongholds and the surge vote was reported from south delhi and new delhi. These areas are also with AAP.

My Theory (CT if you may) -
What I am mulling is what if the surge vote was managed by congress for the benefit of AAP in areas where either the voters did not come out (south and new delhi) or where the race was expected to be neck and neck. While they had already transferred their votes to AAP in strongholds during the normal course of the day like in Seema puri etc.

Circumstantial evidence - Congress had already abandoned Shiela for about a month. Congress rallies were going empty in Delhi despite the fact that they actually have the strongest of worker base here. Nobody not even the best connected of BJP walas could say for sure where these 1.72 lac votes came from. Most people I spoke to were saying they expect this to be a face saving measure by congress. Rumours are that 8-9 congressis are already talking about merging with AAP and this is already almost done. Santosh Hegde and Tauquir Raza are in the Delhi based news studios (most likely in Delhi itself).

My 2 paisa - We BJP well wishers have been fooled in Delhi.

Very possible hypothesis.

How about a coup within the CONgis? People have already started to call out the "inept leadership of Sonia and Rahul" (Vinod Mehta) and have started to attach nomenclatures to the Queen Bee and the Shehzada... "loser" (Guha) etc.

Yes, the likes of Ahmed Patel etc will stick with the Queen. But what about PC and some of the others? Say with some support from the likes of the NCP?

Anantha · Post by **Anantha** » 08 Dec 2013 20:20

In addition, do not forget the Khujli team advocates separation of Cashmere from India. This also needs to be countered moving forward

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 08 Dec 2013 20:21

Chandragupta wrote:I don't think the youth are with Kejriwal because he has policies & manifestos & agendas that they understand. No. They are with him because it is cool to be on the streets these days. They have seen Tahrir Square on TV & want to do something similar. I'll bet my right hand that they have zilch understanding of realpolitik. I ask an AAP supporter and all he can come up with is 'we will root out corruption, we will do politics with a difference, we will ensure transparency, we will ensure accountability' - all good terms but when asked how, he just scooted and came back with one word - Lokpal.

Agree.

The Yuppie needs to be brought in, but it needs some deft handling. BJP would really have to put its idealist college kids and young professionals on the front lines, no conventional politicians.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 08 Dec 2013 20:25

Karan M wrote:
Dilbu wrote:Anti jinx is back folks and will be in full force for 2014. It was fun.
we need a special award for you. it aint proper anti jinx until dilbu is leading the charge.

400% agree.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 08 Dec 2013 20:27

nageshks wrote:Folks - we can say what we like, but Khujliwal's party managed one slick campaign, and was aided by a hyper sympathetic media. Until Modi and Harshvardhan came, it was going to be a Shiela vs Khujli (both figuratively and literally) battle. The D4 deserve a lot of this blame. But now that NaMo is leading, we can expect more inspirational leaders and organic growth of the party. In one way, it is a good thing if Khujliwal exposes himself to a Lok Sabha elections. We can drag in Prashant Bhushan's Pakistani and Naxalite sympathies, and his anarchism into the open. We can focus on Khujli's terrorist sympathies and consorting with communalists of the worst sort. There is time yet to burst the Khujli bubble in the coming six months.

Agree with points you make - it has to be a multidimensional attack on all the AAP diggajs (their fav term) and their past record.
But is BJP prepared to do this.

member_25682 · Post by **member_25682** » 08 Dec 2013 20:27

Karan M wrote:
rajithn wrote:I would agree.

If the good Doctor forms the Government, AAP will do what they were always meant to do. Just be a nuisance and prevent anything from being done. Its easy to sit in the opposition and just yell at everything the administration does while also preventing any good work. And in this they will have the CONgi support. And if the good Doctor does good, then the AAPis will claim credit by saying they were the ones who pushed the Government to do it.

Instead, should let AAP form the Government in Delhi and let the people see how they bring solutions to the myriad problems.
thing is..there are no easy answers here with the AAP.

if AAP forms the govt, it lends legitimacy to them as a political force. however the plus is as you said, day to day running of state may occupy their attention. but if BJP declines to form the govt, wonder how AAP will manage.

if BJP forms the govt, and is a minority one, it will be a tough call, but AAP will anyways spread to other states.

eitherways, its yet another nuisance for the bjp to deal with, for 2014.

and not a good thing either. urban votes split between BJP and AAP only benefits the INC and regional parties.

Guru log out there....why the assumption aap will split Against Cong votes....possible that it might split Against Namo votes..aka pissculars... perhaps detailed study can be done. ... aap plays MNS of congis ?? may be...just may be its God Send gift...needs to be nurtured and directed and fine tuned as torpedo...Just a paisa worth speculation.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 08 Dec 2013 20:28

Delhi Election result live: AAP wins 28, BJP bags just 4 seats more
Firstpost - ‎5 minutes ago‎
The Aam Aadmi Party issued a statement congratulating its volunteers, its leaders and the general public for its spectacular show in Delhi. "Who are we? We are common people. We are very small people. Still we have felled such big politicians. This goes on ...

BJP tops Delhi, but Aam Aadmi Party is show-stopper
NDTV - ‎7 minutes ago‎
New Delhi: The BJP ended its Super Sunday just a few inches short of the finish line in Delhi. It stacked up 32 of the capital's 70 seats, four short of the majority it needs to form the government. The show-stopper of today's Delhi result, Arvind Kejriwal, made it ...

Youth overwhelmed, applaud AAP
Business Standard - ‎17 minutes ago‎
This time, young people who are usually considered indifferent to politics turned out in large numbers to vote in Delhi. And many of them also said they were very impressed Sunday by the performance of the Aam Aadmi Party. At 6.30 p.m. Sunday, the AAP ...

Atmosphere of gloom at Dikshit's residence
Business Standard - ‎17 minutes ago‎
A subdued atmosphere prevailed outside three-time Delhi Chief Minister Sheila Dikshit's residence here Sunday following an embarrassing defeat for her and her party in the assembly polls. Adding insult to injury to the Congress' third position was that ...

Twitter abuzz with comments about Aam Aadmi Party
Business Standard - ‎17 minutes ago‎
Micro-blogging website Twitter Sunday was abuzz with comments on the election results and the Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) as it made a spectacular debut in the Delhi assembly polls. Twitterati expressed surprise, happiness and some even spoke about ...

BJP blames underestimating AAP, infighting as reasons for Delhi loss
Business Standard - ‎17 minutes ago‎
Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) leaders said ignoring Arvind Kejriwal's Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) as a political force had cost them the election. The party accepted that the rise of Arvind Kejriwal's Aam Aadmi Party had taken away their middle-class vote. “We had ...

Delhi election results: Giant killer Arvind Kejriwal beats Sheila Dikshit, Harsh ...
Indian Express - ‎17 minutes ago‎
Elections Arvind Kejriwal's AAP has emerged as a strong force, decimating the ruling Congress government in Delhi. Related. 'Suffocated' Mitra's 'to quit TMC soon' plan keeps getting longer · This Side, That Side · Assembly polls verdict: Under Raje's ...

Kejriwal takes away power and seats from Dikshit
Hindustan Times - ‎18 minutes ago‎
Almost all exit polls had predicted it and on Sunday, the incumbent Congress government's worst nightmares came true: chief minister Sheila Dikshit suffered an embarrassing defeat in the keenly-watched New Delhi constituency. File photo of AAP convener ...

Impressive debut by Aam Aadmi Party in New Delhi
Livemint - ‎21 minutes ago‎
An analysis of the results suggests that the people voted for the AAP for reasons beyond Arvind Kejriwal's personal charisma. Photo: Pradeep Gaur/Mint. Putting all speculation to rest, the Aam Aadmi party (AAP) has finally proved that it wasn't in the Delhi ...

Ready to play role of constructive Opposition: Arvind Kejriwal
Zee News - ‎23 minutes ago‎
New Delhi: Thanking the people of Delhi for his party's good showing in the state Assembly Elections, the Aam Aadmi Party convener Arvind Kejriwal said on Sunday that the results were historic in many ways. Talking to the Kejriwal said, "Politics of religion, ...

Why Arvind Kejriwal's supporters swore by him and won
Firstpost - ‎26 minutes ago‎
New Delhi: AAP's Hanuman Road office near Connaught Place is an old yellowing house in the middle of a lane that is sprawling with bungalows and Mercedes cars. But today this quaint little road was jam-packed with AAP workers when the election results ...

Delhi polls verdict: AAP shines, body blow to Cong, BJP short of majority
Indian Express - ‎26 minutes ago‎
Kejriwal Arvind Kejriwal's AAP has emerged as a strong force, decimating the ruling Congress government in Delhi. (IE Photo). Related. Gulf 'important artery' for flow of goods and peoples:Salman Khurshid · Results reflect widespread anger against Cong ...

Assembly Elections 2013: Kejriwal, the giant killer who swept Dikshit out of power
India Today - ‎31 minutes ago‎
Dismissed as a political greenhorn, engineer-turned-civil servant Arvind Kejriwal has cemented his place in politics with a stunning political debut for his nascent AAP and emerged as a giant killer to sweep Sheila Dikshit out from not only office but also her ...

How the BJP shook the Congress and AAP shook both
India Today - ‎31 minutes ago‎
As expected and as predicted, December 8 was a bad Sunday for the Congress and a good one for the BJP. But unexpectedly, the day threw up a pleasant surprise for the AAP. As evening set in, it became clear that the BJP would form the next governments ...

Delhi 2013 election result: AAP's spectacular show 'surprises' BJP
India Today - ‎31 minutes ago‎
After 15 long years in power the Congress was headed for a rout in Delhi, with the BJP on the winning track, but it was debutant Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) that put up a spectacular show in the battle for the 70-member assembly. After result trends showed a ...

AAP a movement of disparate groups, broom proves ominous for
Business Standard - ‎33 minutes ago‎
When fledgling Aam Aadmi party was alloted 'broom' as its poll symbol just 100 days back, there may have been ominous signs for Congress which ruled Delhi for 15 straight years if one went by some historic broom lore. And Arvind Kejriwal's AAP, which had ...

Delhi polls: Several heavyweight Cong, BJP leaders bite dust
Business Standard - ‎33 minutes ago‎
As the tables turned on Congress in Delhi polls, several heavyweights including three-time chief minister Sheila Dikshit, four-time MLA A K Walia and senior Delhi BJP leader Vijender Gupta failed to save their seats. Dikshit and Gupta lost to a debutante ...

Historic results in Delhi, the beginning of clean politics in India: Kejriwal
Business Standard - ‎33 minutes ago‎
Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) chief Arvind Kejriwal on Sunday said the people were fed up with the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) and the Congress, and therefore, they had voted for his party. He said this historic electoral result or outcome is the beginning of clean ...

Big winners and losers in Delhi: AAP loses 15 seats by less than 5000 votes
IBNLive - ‎36 minutes ago‎
Delhi: Delhi has never seen an election like the 2013 one in which some of the most famous faces of Delhi have been humbled by unknown candidates of the Aam Aadmi Party (AAP). AAP National Convener Arvind Kejriwal has proved his might by defeating ...

Why the Aam Aadmi Party's Victory Is a Big Deal for India
Wall Street Journal (blog) - ‎37 minutes ago‎
It may not have won the largest number of seats in Delhi's state assembly, but the Aam Aadmi, or Common Man, Party notched up some major successes in the capital Sunday. So far, the debutant party has won 23 of Delhi's 70 seats, according to the Election ...

2014 Lok Sabha polls next stop, says AAP
Hindu Business Line - ‎42 minutes ago‎
The Aam Aadmi Party (AAP), after making a stunning debut in the Delhi Assembly polls, said its next stop was the 2014 Lok Sabha elections. A party release issued on Sunday said “we wish to reiterate that the Delhi election is only the first step in our political ...

AAP to play the role of constructive opposition: Arvind Kejriwal
Indian Express - ‎47 minutes ago‎
Aam Aadmi Party leader Arvind Kejriwal reacts as he celebrates with supporters the party's excellent show in Delhi Assembly elections, in New Delhi on Sunday. (Tashi Tobgyal). Related. Results reflect widespread anger against Cong policies: CPI(M) ...

Emergence of AAP warning to major parties, say Cong, BJP
Business Standard - ‎47 minutes ago‎
The emergence of Aam Aadmi Party is a warning to major political parties to act responsibly in future, Congress and BJP said today. Congress General Secretary Janardan Dwivedi said the rise of Arvind Kejriwal's party should be seen as a sign of healthy ...

Dikshit concedes defeat to Kejriwal
Business Standard - ‎48 minutes ago‎
"Friends, it is not my victory. It is the victory of the people of New Delhi assembly constituency. I firmly believe that the country shall win, people shall win, democracy shall win and India shall win,"Kejriwal said at his party office in New Delhi. The AAP is likely to ...

People matter: 5 ways AAP rewrote the rules of the game
India Today - ‎50 minutes ago‎
Aam Aadmi Party's victory is the victory of belief in general goodness in the times of cynicism. We have heard stories about how it's caste equations that matter. We have been told too many times it's the money and the muscle that matter, honesty and ...

AAP is the show-stopper but BJP scrapes through in Delhi
India Today - ‎50 minutes ago‎
Arvind Kejriwal's Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) emerged as the showstopper in the Delhi Assembly elections. Kejriwal also turned out to be the giant slayer as he won the New Delhi constituency, shattering the bastion of three-time Congress chief minister Sheila ...

Turnaround: Hazare pats Kejriwal's back for Delhi show
Hindustan Times - ‎51 minutes ago‎
Anti-corruption crusader Anna Hazare on Sunday expressed happiness over a stunning performance by the Aam Admi Party (AAP) in the Delhi assembly elections and said Arivind Kejriwal would one day become the chief minister on his party's strength.

Arvind Kejriwal sweeps Sheila Dikshit out in Delhi
NDTV - ‎56 minutes ago‎
New Delhi: In a mega political bender, rookie politician Arvind Kejriwal has defeated three-time chief minister Sheila Dikshit in her constituency of New Delhi by some 22,000 votes. His one-year-old Aam Aadmi Party made a spectacular electoral debut ...

Arvind Kejriwal on Delhi's New Type of Politics
Wall Street Journal (blog) - ‎1 hour ago‎
Sajjad Hussain/Agence France-Presse/Getty Images: Arvind Kejriwal, center, leader of the Indian Aam Aadmi Party waved to supporters from his office in New Delhi, Dec. 8. Arvind Kejriwal, a former tax official and anticorruption campaigner, defeated ...

Will be a strong Opposition, wont ally with Cong, BJP: Kejriwal
Firstpost - ‎1 hour ago‎
"Ordinary people have ensured the defeat of heavyweights," Aam Admi Party's Arvind Kejriwal said, addressing thousands of supporters outside the party's office in New Delhi. AAP's Arvind Kejriwal after defeating Sheila Dikshit. Naresh Sharma/Firstpost.

A verdict against Cong, not for BJP: CPI on poll results
Business Standard - ‎1 hour ago‎
The Assembly poll results are a vote against Congress and not for the BJP as people are in quest for an alternative to both the parties, which they got in Delhi in form of the Aam Aadmi Party, CPI today said. "It is a vote against Congress, reflecting disapproval ...

Assembly election 2013: BJP tops Delhi, but Aam Aadmi Party is show-stopper
NDTV - ‎1 hour ago‎
New Delhi: When counting is completed, the BJP may find itself an excruciating few inches short of the finish line in Delhi. The party has won 33 seats - two short of the half-way mark in the 70-member assembly. The incumbent Congress was comprehensively ...

Aam Admi Party — The game changer
gulfnews.com - ‎1 hour ago‎
New Delhi: The debutant Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) created history by emerging as a force to be reckoned with after the outcome of Delhi state legislative assembly elections. Never before had a new political party created the kind of ripples that AAP managed to ...

AAP shakes up political order in Delhi assembly elections
Livemint - ‎1 hour ago‎
Arvind Kejriwal-led AAP has won 27 seats so far in the Delhi elections. Photo: Pradeep Gaur/ Mint. New Delhi: Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) chief Arvind Kejriwal won the New Delhi assembly constituency by over 25,000 votes against three-time Delhi chief minister ...

Delhi Election result live: Won't support anyone, vows Kejriwal
Firstpost - ‎1 hour ago‎
It's the man of the moment - Arvind Kejriwal - making his victory speech. Because although the BJP is the single largest party, the Aam Aadmi Party has made a debut so stunning, that its performance can only be called the single most impressive. Speaking to ...

AAP show marks start of 'honest politics', says Kejriwal
Khaleej Times - ‎1 hour ago‎
The leader of Aam Aadmi Party says will not accept support from anyone, to act as a constructive opposition. The Aam Aadmi Party's (AAP) spectacular show in the Delhi elections marks the "start of honest politics" in India, AAP leader Arvind Kejriwal said on ...

AAP`s Arvind Kejriwal buoyed by Delhi results, says this is victory of democracy
Zee News - ‎1 hour ago‎
New Delhi: Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) convener, Arvind Kejriwal, described his win from New Delhi constituency on Sunday as the 'victory of democracy and people of Delhi.' Flowers were showered upon him as he spoke to AAP supporters after his landslide ...

Delhi: BJP short of majority, AAP's stunning debut shatters Congress
IBNLive - ‎1 hour ago‎
New Delhi: An unknown entity led by an idealistic anti-corruption crusader fighting two well-entrenched national parties in the national capital has delivered one of the biggest stories in the electoral history of India. Facing massive odds and tapping the ...

Arvind Kejriwal: Anti-graft crusader who turned politician
Economic Times - ‎1 hour ago‎
The 44-year-old quit his comfortable and highly sought-after govt job in 2001 and embarked on a career as an anti-corruption campaigner. (PTI). ET SPECIAL: Save precious time tracking your investments. NEW DELHI: Arvind Kejriwal, whose anti-corruption ...

Bollywood applauds Kejriwal on Twitter
Hindustan Times - ‎1 hour ago‎
As Arvind Kejriwal's Aam Admi Party steals the show giving both BJP and Congress a tough competition in this year's State elections, Bollywood celebrities pour in their wishes for the party on Twitter. Anushka Sharma. Here're few tweets from this morning:.

Bollywood rejoice on Arvind Kejriwal's win in Delhi polls
Firstpost - ‎1 hour ago‎
New Delhi: With the Aam Aadmi Party's spectacular electoral debut in Delhi assembly elections Sunday, Bollywood celebrities applauded Arvind Kejriwal, who defeated three-time Chief Minister Sheila Dikshit in the New Delhi constituency. Here's what they ...

Above Paid Media headlines and propaganda on behalf of sAAP is always a good pointer to where the usual movers and fixers underlying the congi mafia want to see the winds blow. Especially note Business Standard and India today Headlines.

Now with reelection ahead, BJP has to grit its teeth and doubly fight back on two aspects.
Prevent AAP from poaching the votes polled for it. Then get the lion's share of votes polled for Congress . Not much votes polled for Aap will now leave for BJP is my expectation.
Modi is again the man for the job (yet personal involvement must be a low key affair) , project Dr. Harshvardhan more (image building exercise) . However micromanage behind the scenes laying the responsibility for allowing sAAP to grow from strength to strength since 2011 at the old guard's feet due to their venal and ideologically bankrupt wink wink nod nod politics played with Dynasty. Let the new candidates at the loosing seats be fresh faces, even take lesson in candidate selection from the way the NSG commando injured in 26/11 was propped up by sAAP in Delhi cantonment to narrowly beat the Bhajapa candidate with a 300 vote majority. Such out of the box ideas in candidate selection will go a long way if Bhajapa wants to have any chance in the next fight for dilli assembly.

Re:Chattishgarh Raman Singh sir should pull some seriously perspired and inspired effort of campaigning along with good governance to reciprocate NaMo's support during his reelection - else that state may turn up a big zero for bhajapa in LS2014.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 08 Dec 2013 20:30

my feel is BJP top leadership has still not decided what to do about AAP and hence going soft on it, despite the daily attacks from their rabid supporters.

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 08 Dec 2013 20:32

nageshks wrote:Folks - we can say what we like, but Khujliwal's party managed one slick campaign, and was aided by a hyper sympathetic media. Until Modi and Harshvardhan came, it was going to be a Shiela vs Khujli (both figuratively and literally) battle. The D4 deserve a lot of this blame. But now that NaMo is leading, we can expect more inspirational leaders and organic growth of the party. In one way, it is a good thing if Khujliwal exposes himself to a Lok Sabha elections. We can drag in Prashant Bhushan's Pakistani and Naxalite sympathies, and his anarchism into the open. We can focus on Khujli's terrorist sympathies and consorting with communalists of the worst sort. There is time yet to burst the Khujli bubble in the coming six months.

Done that all on HT/Firsttoast/D,N-A but was banned. There were people from all over India and Pakistan and US who were campaigning for AAP. One of the Indians I traced to a guy otherwise promoting The Communal Award-4th August 1932 and a few were EJ/EJ inspired. Almost all were using the same line of thought to counter me that the MSM/Congress usually do. BJP sympatheziers are there but they work like alone and pro bono. Without a concerted action its not going to work as well as some of us want.

Partly we are also to blame including myself. In my 3 years of activity on BRF I could never share the most important of my works with anybody amongst the other BJP sympathizers here. We are just too reticent, too intellectual, too unorganized. Perhaps we lack a killer's instinct too. Perhaps that is why we gather around NaMo who we all recognize as a tiger.

Dang the city I was born in has seen riots, politicking, intrigue and I can't do much about it. Kind of feel bad.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 08 Dec 2013 20:33

AAP should be countered and taken more seriously by BJP in coming days but it does not call for panic button yet. I think head on attack on AAP by NaMo is a bad strategy. Foolish yuppies will take this as attack on an innocent messiah by 'politician' Modi and MSM will surely shout this from rooftops. Instead it will be better if silent but efficient ground level cadre work can be mobilised at booth level. Also choosing the right candidate will be crucial especially in metros because any false move there will divert yuppie votes into AAP kitty. Goel vs Harshvardhan is a lesson BJP cannot afford to forget in 2014. JMT, IMO etc.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 08 Dec 2013 20:37

I don't know, I kind of disagree with not claiming to form government in Delhi. It is better to take by hook or crook the government of Delhi. There will certain files and agencies and having a hold over them is more important that sitting out. If congress and AAP cannot come together then BJP should form government. Harshavardhan ji may have made statement too soon.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 08 Dec 2013 20:42

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-ra ... on-1931555

Ramachandra Guha says Rahul Gandhi needs a new profession; what do you suggest as his new profession
Sunday, Dec 8, 2013, 11:25 IST | Place: Mumbai | Agency: DNA Web Team
Rahil Shaikh

With the Congress facing its worst election results with losses in Delhi, Rajasthan, Madhya Pradesh; Rahul Gandhi's election campaign has failed badly in these states.

Ramachandra Guha suggested on a TV debate that Rahul Gandhi should look for another profession. Besides being a politician what else can the Congress vice-president be?

Rahul Gandhi's profile
Rahul Gandhi born 19 June 1970 is the Vice President of the Indian National Congress and the Chairperson of the Indian Youth Congress and the National Students Union of India.

Gandhi served as a General Secretary in the All India Congress Committee and represents Amethi as its Member of Parliament (MP). He is the second-ranked member of the Congress Working Committee.

Gandhi comes from the politically influential Nehru–Gandhi family. His late father, Rajiv Gandhi, had served as the Prime Minister of India and had been President of the Congress. His mother Sonia Gandhi is currently serving as President of the Congress. He grew up in New Delhi, where his grandmother Indira Gandhi, was serving as Prime Minister until her assassination in 1984. His father was likewise assassinated in 1991. Due to security concerns, Gandhi constantly had to shift schools in his youth. He studied abroad under a pseudonym, his identity being known only to a select few including university officials and security agencies.

After obtaining degrees in international relations and philosophy at the universities of Rollins and Cambridge, Gandhi worked at the Monitor Group, a management consulting firm in London, before establishing the Mumbai–based technology outsourcing firm, Backops Services Private Ltd. In 2004, Gandhi re-entered public life; he ran for and won his father's old seat of Amethi in India's national legislature.

A few years later, in 2007, Gandhi was elected as the General Secretary of the Congress party, a previously executive post held by his father, and by his great-grandfather, Jawaharlal Nehru.

Described as a youth icon, Gandhi is the leader of the Indian Youth Congress and the National Students Union of India. Amidst calls from Congress party veterans for his greater involvement in party politics and national government, Gandhi was elected Congress Vice President in 2013.

dna asks his users to suggest some professions to Rahul Gandhi.

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 08 Dec 2013 20:45

rajithn wrote: How about a coup within the CONgis? People have already started to call out the "inept leadership of Sonia and Rahul" (Vinod Mehta) and have started to attach nomenclatures to the Queen Bee and the Shehzada... "loser" (Guha) etc.

Yes, the likes of Ahmed Patel etc will stick with the Queen. But what about PC and some of the others? Say with some support from the likes of the NCP?

I am only a simpleton like most of you guys. Cannot say much. But yes a coup does not seem like an impossibility. But understanding this would require an understanding of the high finance and international links. The 65K ft view can only be managed by the members who study these things.

One thing is for sure. The MSM is rooting for the new pony in town and the new pony has also been recognized by the RaGa in his post poll speech. So chances are the coup still has the same people incharge at the highest level. At least the Huff story was buried in double quick time. Not even a best judgement assessment.

Sometime back there was a story that some Jindal has filed some case against Zee editors for blackmail etc. and except Zee all of MSM is already against NaMo - O NaMo wave did not work in Delhi where he was exposed the most etc. etc.

The Mughals handed over the country to Brits, Brits handed over to Congress, the Congress has changed its name umpteen number of times but the central characters remained the same. What I will be watch out for is whether AAP is the new name of Congress. A confirmation in my view would require AAP to go national.

Or I may just be a crazed BJP wala pedling CTs

Oh sorry about not congratulating. Delhi can be taken care of. Congratulations all esp. SSC+RS+VRS+NM+Harshwardhan ji.

KLP Dubey · Post by **KLP Dubey** » 08 Dec 2013 20:48

As I predicted multiple times in the thread, it is a 4-0 for the BJP. Shriman Narendra Modi, Thakur Shivraj Singh, Shrimati Vasundhara Raje, Thakur Dr Raman Singh, and Dr Harshvardhan have put up a strong front and thoroughly thrashed the anti-nationals, communists, caste-baiters and other crooks in four states.

I urge Dr Harshvardhan to continue playing his intelligent game. Jhadoo aur haath donon se bachke rehna chahiye. Kejriwal is already showing his true colors on TV. Very soon Dr Harshvardhan will be forming the government in Dilli, if not tomorrow. I urge Mr. Modi to provide further guidance.

Namaskar
KL Dubey

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 08 Dec 2013 20:51

I think AAP is in a bind now.
If they get the support of Congress of form the govt, wont it be a betrayal of will of Delhi-ites & their own earlier stance,

member_28131 · Post by **member_28131** » 08 Dec 2013 20:52

harbans wrote:The rise of AAP is also lack of basic analytical ability in youth. Corruption being passed off as root cause of problems, rather than an effect of bad policies. Something that on the corruption thread i mentioned and argued about 2 years ago. That propped a large section of youngsters who don't go much into why corruption happens, but nod in agreement readily to those loudest in rhetoric against corruption. Engaging in rational meaningful analysis is still largely absent in Indian schools, colleges and cocktail circuits. A lot of rhetoric flows freely as analysis. AAP benefited largely from the absence of such ethics amongst the population.

Delhi is a Congi stronghold, some of my relatives being one of them. You can not argue with them against voting for it, trust me, I have tried. AAP was able to do what BJP (or me

) could not. Sheila Dixit has done good to the city in the past 15 years and she was really hard to beat. The reason she lost is not her but the party she represents.

Some people were asking whose votes did AAP really take away? its Congress' votes. If it weren't for AAP, Congress could have come in power once again.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 08 Dec 2013 20:56

The Naxal attack seems to have helped the Congress bigtime in Chattisgarh, though Raman Singh outsmarted them in the end:

http://www.firstpost.com/politics/assem ... 75717.html

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 08 Dec 2013 20:58

Hii_India ‏@Hii_India 11m

Modi's idea:Close aide of @narendramodi has revealed that both AAP and BJP are ready to work together if @thekiranbedi be made CM of Delhi

There should be new elections.

Aam Aadmi Party needs to be contained in Delhi through new elections. They should spend their whole energy in Delhi elections only and try to again prove their attraction to the voter in the absence of a Congress govt.

So there should be new elections. Kiran Bedi should not agree to be Delhi CM as some consensus CM supported by both BJP and AAP.

This would give AAP a new political model, to push the political parties to choose a non-political person, who would necessarily be secular.

So please send Kiran Bedi requests not to agree to CM candidate despite our high regard for her. I've sent my tweet. You can retweet it, but also send your own. Kiran Bedi should not agree. If she does, there is a possibility where BJP does not make the cut and other parties force BJP to accept a "non-political" person who has been appropriately built up by MSM.

In fact by pushing Kiran Bedi's name over BJP's interests and wishes, AAP wants to show BJP as the hindrance in govt. formation.

The NO has to come from Kiran Bedi.

JwalaMukhi · Post by **JwalaMukhi** » 08 Dec 2013 20:59

Wherever there is any Nehru cap walla is there, one can be pretty sure it is congress by other means. BaJaPa had to do deft dance when Anna Hazare (Nehru topiwalla) was joined another topi clad gentleman (Kejriwal) to dent the disguise of the congress appearing in another garb. Kudos to BaJaPa to force the Congress to adorn a different garb. But all work is not done yet. Mere forcing the garb isn't going to cut it. It really has to do chankian to root out the peddlers of poverty and destitution.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 08 Dec 2013 20:59

Dilbu wrote:AAP should be countered and taken more seriously by BJP in coming days but it does not call for panic button yet. I think head on attack on AAP by NaMo is a bad strategy. Foolish yuppies will take this as attack on an innocent messiah by 'politician' Modi and MSM will surely shout this from rooftops. Instead it will be better if silent but efficient ground level cadre work can be mobilised at booth level. Also choosing the right candidate will be crucial especially in metros because any false move there will divert yuppie votes into AAP kitty. Goel vs Harshvardhan is a lesson BJP cannot afford to forget in 2014. JMT, IMO etc.

The so called old guard D4 or whatever the name it is, they have to now purge it and make effective changes. Bringing in Harshavardhan gave respectable level. Otherwise it would have been and outright win. Interestingly Delhi voted for a party that is entitlement based and leftist/socialist based while the population is looking for good paying private service sector jobs. BJP's vote share in Delhi is now stagnant.

There could be something sinister as it is important for INC to not handover Delhi to BJP. The entire Media is saying AAP defeated BJP and INC in all elections. This is new coming of India and what not. The Orange revolution that INC started to save itself from massive 2G loot has an unexpected result but congress has the abilities to turn in its favor. This can be now expanded to other areas of India. The analytical knowledge of great educated in India is now visible. Now Media has a new handle to browbeat BJP and Modi which is a relief for INC.

hanumadu · Post by **hanumadu** » 08 Dec 2013 21:00

After seeing the opinion polls live videos posted here, I said that it looks like AAP all the way. If not for the late surge in polling, I think AAP would have emerged the clear winner. The naming of the party itself is a master stroke. A mid term election might actually give a decisive result in favor of AAP. But BJP should not stake a claim.

I would have preferred a clear AAP win than a hung assembly and let people see for them selves how much jaadu maar they can achieve. If they manage a corruption free govt, they would have been a template for all other parties. If not, they would fizzle out and die.

I think BJP should promise Lokpal as proposed by Anna Hazare if they come to power with absolute majority on their own. But how would that sit well with BJP candidates? How many within BJP would support Lokpal as it is? We all know, many politicians are in it for making money. Would BJP be able to get enough winnable candidates with such a proposal?

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 08 Dec 2013 21:01

RajeshA wrote:
Agree.

The Yuppie needs to be brought in, but it needs some deft handling. BJP would really have to put its idealist college kids and young professionals on the front lines, no conventional politicians.

Unlike middle-aged & older people, younger minds are easily swayed. AAP's stamina will be tested soon & just repeating the corruption word with sure see rut setting in.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 08 Dec 2013 21:02

Arjun wrote:The Naxal attack seems to have helped the Congress bigtime in Chattisgarh, though Raman Singh outsmarted them in the end:

http://www.firstpost.com/politics/assem ... 75717.html

Raman Singh prevailing is extremely important. Otherwise it is easy to make it look like Jharkhand or AP type instability within few years.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 08 Dec 2013 21:02

Arjun wrote:The Naxal attack seems to have helped the Congress bigtime in Chattisgarh, though Raman Singh outsmarted them in the end:

http://www.firstpost.com/politics/assem ... 75717.html

Well - honestly - it was to be expected that, once EJ Jogi had been chosen as the CM candidate, the Naxals would do everything to help him. But the return of Raman Singh is very good news, in the end. He has been clawing back the ground from them, one village at a time. I think they are worried that if he stays in power for another 5 years, their influence will be finished.

arindam · Post by **arindam** » 08 Dec 2013 21:04

Mods, can we please have a separate thread for tracking the hollow AAP-Tards promises and their anti-national antics like Batla House, Kashmir etc. It would be good source of reference till 2014. The writings on the wall, <35 or the 'youth' are being taken for a ride by the Arab Spring financiers.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 08 Dec 2013 21:05

if nothing else, these results should put to rest any murmurs within bjp ranks.

not to mention the puke inducing praise of vajpayee, advani and sushma etc by doggy singh tweets like "bjp would have done better if it had a uniting leader like sushma who is the true heir to vajpayee leadership" bleh...

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 08 Dec 2013 21:08

Veer wrote:Delhi is a Congi stronghold, some of my relatives being one of them. You can not argue with them against voting for it, trust me, I have tried. AAP was able to do what BJP (or me ) could not. Sheila Dixit has done good to the city in the past 15 years and she was really hard to beat. The reason she lost is not her but the party she represents.

Some people were asking whose votes did AAP really take away? its Congress' votes. If it weren't for AAP, Congress could have come in power once again.

Since about three years, all my work is with folks from Delhi onlee. You can easily bang you head and even succeed in removing headache but changing someone even with a lot of reasoning is impossible.

If AAP forms government and does not deliver, congress in Delhi will comeback big. That is why for BJP, they have to break, shake, steal but should form government and do something positive/negative to create and increase its base. It needs to go street by street demographics and try creating its solid based. If you sit out nothing will happen.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 08 Dec 2013 21:10

I agree. Its a do or die for BJP this time.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 08 Dec 2013 21:10

arindam wrote:Mods, can we please have a separate thread for tracking the hollow AAP-Tards promises and their anti-national antics like Batla House, Kashmir etc. It would be good source of reference till 2014. The writings on the wall, <35 or the 'youth' are being taken for a ride by the Arab Spring financiers.

I propose "The Young and the Clueless" as title of the thread...

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 08 Dec 2013 21:12

All in all, its a wonderful day. I think all BJP supporters should just enjoy the day and leave all arguments and bickering for tomorrow.

NaMo proved himself again...

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 08 Dec 2013 21:13

why not a thread titled "you idiot, yes you, why don't you vote for me idiot". that should attract them.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 08 Dec 2013 21:13

Congress is no doubt finished. Expect some big guys to start leaving the country soon.
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vina · Post by **vina** » 08 Dec 2013 21:15

johneeG wrote: NaMo proved himself again...

Err. By doing what ? Giving speeches ?

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 08 Dec 2013 21:17

RajeshA garu, for a longer term fight. The initiative on the anti corruption front must be seized back by the Hindu leaders like BR. Anna ji if willing can be suitably worked with.

The helter-skelter, sham form of anti corruption movement that AAP is selling can be taken down only with intensifying the education of people to make them understand why this bogus 'Bring Janlokpal and go to sleep' is not going to work.

Oh and forgot to add - AAP it seems is not selling anti-corruption as heavily. They are instead selling a different line of thought. That BJP = = Congress and hence even AAP should be allowed the same measure of freedom. I know a round about logic being sold as a necessity to clean up the system by getting dirty. Which actually to an ever reducing extent is not exactly wrong.

But well at least for the sant samaj, that leaves the door open for the anti corruption movement. BJP can do all the wheeling dealing and the sant samaj has to mobilize people again. Just that this time they have to overtly be Hindutva vaadi in order to keep Kejriwal types out.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 08 Dec 2013 21:18

vina wrote:
johneeG wrote: NaMo proved himself again...
Err. By doing what ? Giving speeches ?

BJP won 16 out of 20 seats where Namo held rallies.

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 08 Dec 2013 21:19

vina wrote:
johneeG wrote: NaMo proved himself again...
Err. By doing what ? Giving speeches ?

He delivered 4 states(well, fell short in dilli by a few). But you continue in your lala land...

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BTW, dynasty has been brought down to its present situation due to NaMo. No one else talks about the dynasty even now except NaMo. And yet he has managed to expose them and encourage others to poke fun at them. He is going to rid the country of the kongis!!!