Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

member_28131 · Post by **member_28131** » 08 Dec 2013 21:19

The youth, as delusional as they are played a major factor in Delhi. Finding youth workers who can rally up the vote bank might help. Big maha-rallies only take you so far. A lot of local work needs to be done to back it up.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 08 Dec 2013 21:19

Media is now pushing AAP to go after Modi. These guys are no doubt Congress 2.0. Mlecchas of the highest order with no solutions. Modi will have to shift his strategy south and try to cocoon his urban vote share and try to expand.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 08 Dec 2013 21:19

AAP has already declared that it is not a Delhi-centric party.

"After the Delhi polls, you will see us being more active outside Delhi.... We certainly plan to go nationwide for the Lok Sabha polls," Kejriwal's party has said.

http://www.rediff.com/news/report/assem ... 131208.htm

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 08 Dec 2013 21:20

vina wrote:
johneeG wrote: NaMo proved himself again...
Err. By doing what ? Giving speeches ?

BAHAHA...Cheers Vina!

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 08 Dec 2013 21:24

jamwal wrote:BJP won 16 out of 20 seats where Namo held rallies.

NDTV did this analysis and was looking for something different but Modi's speeches and rallied had clear edge but in the end he is only one person. The reason of Rajasthan, MP and CHG is they have a good long term leaders. In strife torn Delhi the dependence was too much.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 08 Dec 2013 21:24

RoyG wrote:BAHAHA...Cheers Vina!

Bwana has found a new Messiah to root for and will be giving a speech shortly, I expect.

M Joshi · Post by **M Joshi** » 08 Dec 2013 21:25

Since elections in Raj., MP & CHG. are over, IMO BJP should bring as much cadre from these states to Delhi as possible if re-elections were to happen. THese guys are highly motivated from recent wins & will be a big boost to existing BJP cadre & counter AAP's propaganda by going home to home. Every worker should have 1/3th of homes to canvass than what an average Delhi worker had till now. This will give them more time to convince & sharpen their focus. If AAP wins by any chance in re-election then Media will get into frenzied orgasmic state & would declare Kejri the PM even before 2014 elections happens.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 08 Dec 2013 21:26

abhijitm wrote:People may say that AAP is a sign of vibrant democracy. In my opinion it it not. AAP is a bold sign of how fragile our democracy is. Here is an example of people voting a party which has not done enough social activities, no proven record or no ideological basis. It is clearly a product of emotion. It is an example of how in tough times people can easily be manipulated by emotional antics. It takes only 2 years in the history to penetrate democracy where a party which ideally should be doing ground level work and gradually reach the top has been given a mandate to reach the top first and then do the ground work. I am worried.

There is a cause of worry if the AAP was something like Islamic Brotherhood or similar "revolutionary crap". The fact that they fought elections on basis of rooting out corruption in a legal, democratic way and still fared very well makes me optimistic about Indian democracy.

I don't particularly like the party, but the fact that the ordinary people felt a connection with a small party and honest ideology is a good sign.
Before this, we were used to voters wasting their votes for money, booze, caste and what not.
IMHO Onlee

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 08 Dec 2013 21:26

Singha wrote:The aap winner from Delhi cantt is a ex nsg vet who got wounded in 26/11 and quit iirc.he lost his hearing.

Then I am not surprised that he won. In Dilli, lot of middle class folks vote for the person, rather than the party. Same happened in my mohalla where almost everybody voted for AAP candidate as the other two were old crooks.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 08 Dec 2013 21:26

vina wrote:
johneeG wrote: NaMo proved himself again...
Err. By doing what ? Giving speeches ?

Rahul Gandhi proves himself again. (Now that is a claim no one will contest)

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 08 Dec 2013 21:27

In Vina we seems to have a AAP voter among us.

By not forming government bjp will lock fraudwal in Delhi. He can not run free elsewhere now. If he does, he will lose Delhi support and will be at neither place. In six months mafia will be wiser and careful, bjp will also stronger and AAP gang under pressure to repeat or better their seats. There is no way they can.

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 08 Dec 2013 21:27

Congratulations to Vina ji, Shardula ji and some others too perhaps. Mizos will definitely go for Congress.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 08 Dec 2013 21:28

vina wrote:
johneeG wrote: NaMo proved himself again...
Err. By doing what ? Giving speeches ?

hi vina, for you especially, from one of your centrist, grand old party experts. please to note onlee what she says after being very dismissive of shri NaMo et al.

Sheila Dixit ma'am.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjX46VV8tmc

meanwhile, i hope folks with your views (NaMo speeches onlee, dont matter) continue to advise Grand Old Party.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 08 Dec 2013 21:28

ravi_g wrote:Done that all on HT/Firsttoast/D,N-A but was banned. There were people from all over India and Pakistan and US who were campaigning for AAP. One of the Indians I traced to a guy otherwise promoting The Communal Award-4th August 1932 and a few were EJ/EJ inspired. Almost all were using the same line of thought to counter me that the MSM/Congress usually do. BJP sympatheziers are there but they work like alone and pro bono. Without a concerted action its not going to work as well as some of us want

<OT>
Ravi g ji,
I too came across this guy in many places who keeps blabbering on implementation of communal award of 4th Aug 1932 and independent nation for 300 million dalits etc - he most probably Yogesh Varhade.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMYfPCsXQSw
https://mobile.twitter.com/4thAugust1932/tweets
</OT>

member_28131 · Post by **member_28131** » 08 Dec 2013 21:29

jamwal wrote:
abhijitm wrote:People may say that AAP is a sign of vibrant democracy. In my opinion it it not. AAP is a bold sign of how fragile our democracy is. Here is an example of people voting a party which has not done enough social activities, no proven record or no ideological basis. It is clearly a product of emotion. It is an example of how in tough times people can easily be manipulated by emotional antics. It takes only 2 years in the history to penetrate democracy where a party which ideally should be doing ground level work and gradually reach the top has been given a mandate to reach the top first and then do the ground work. I am worried.

There is a cause of worry if the AAP was something like Islamic Brotherhood or similar "revolutionary crap". The fact that they fought elections on basis of rooting out corruption in a legal, democratic way and still fared very well makes me optimistic about Indian democracy.

I don't particularly like the party, but the fact that the ordinary people felt a connection with a small party and honest ideology is a good sign.
Before this, we were used to voters wasting their votes for money, booze, caste and what not.
IMHO Onlee

They did a lot of work in college campuses. They convinced the youth by projecting themselves as something lean, efficient, modern and a rebel against the ruling class. All things that the youth connects with. The youth in turn convinced their families to vote for them too!

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 08 Dec 2013 21:29

RoyG wrote:Congress is no doubt finished. Expect some big guys to start leaving the country soon.
..

I wouldn't say so just yet. Recall, several years ago when BJP was on the upswing and regional partis started to take root, the same thing was said.

But no doubt things are different this time. As far as I am concerned, first and foremost, Cong must get rid of its dynastic core. Then we will have a true democracy

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 08 Dec 2013 21:30

Raja Bose wrote:
Singha wrote:The aap winner from Delhi cantt is a ex nsg vet who got wounded in 26/11 and quit iirc.he lost his hearing.
Then I am not surprised that he won. In Dilli, lot of middle class folks vote for the person, rather than the party. Same happened in my mohalla where almost everybody voted for AAP candidate as the other two were old crooks.

AAP has good winners and it will be interesting to see how they will form government with INC.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 08 Dec 2013 21:31

It reads:

Exit poll results were better than this.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 08 Dec 2013 21:31

we just dunno, every state has its share of people who will vote for them , and this delhi election might just make them change their mind

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 08 Dec 2013 21:32

Arjun wrote:
RoyG wrote:BAHAHA...Cheers Vina!
Bwana has found a new Messiah to root for and will be giving a speech shortly, I expect.

Interestingly, we can see a live example, that INC loyalists will now shift support to shri kejriwal. In short AAP is the new INC "without corruption", "secular", and "without dynasty". All properly packaged.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 08 Dec 2013 21:33

I would like to see AAP form the government and implement some of the lunatic stuff they promised. Free electricty hainji?

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 08 Dec 2013 21:34

I was a big fan of Kejriwaal when Anna was part of his team. Then there was this clown Bhushan whatever in his team who said Kashmiri Muslims must be allowed to secede with our land of course.

thought occurred to me. What if BJP manages to persuade and co-opt Anna Hazarae as part of BJP? Anna maybe a tad too idealistic, but for sure he is a nationalist. Will that take the sheen of Kejriwaal ?

member_28131 · Post by **member_28131** » 08 Dec 2013 21:35

CRamS wrote: thought occurred to me. What if BJP manages to persuade and co-opt Anna Hazarae as part of BJP? Anna maybe a tad too idealistic, but for sure he is a nationalist. Will that take the sheen of Kejriwaal ?

This would be a really smart move. Promise him the Lokpal bill if they win to lure him in.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 08 Dec 2013 21:35

Should have tried earlier. After this AAP win the move lacks its punch IMO.

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 08 Dec 2013 21:35

Anna is a moron a simpleton he made a somebody out of a nobody like Arvind KEjriwal

member_28131 · Post by **member_28131** » 08 Dec 2013 21:36

suryag wrote:Anna is a moron a simpleton he made a somebody out of a nobody like Arvind KEjriwal

Yes, but he can pull votes and will split the AAP.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 08 Dec 2013 21:36

Anna with his gandhigiri will become a liability faster than you can say janlokpal.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 08 Dec 2013 21:38

http://electionsdata.ndtv.com/graphics/donut/nota.html

CG has the highest NOTA votes @ 3%

arindam · Post by **arindam** » 08 Dec 2013 21:39

Arjun wrote:
arindam wrote:Mods, can we please have a separate thread for tracking the hollow AAP-Tards promises and their anti-national antics like Batla House, Kashmir etc. It would be good source of reference till 2014. The writings on the wall, <35 or the 'youth' are being taken for a ride by the Arab Spring financiers.
I propose "The Young and the Clueless" as title of the thread...

Mods, the fight has to be taken to AAP fort. So far they have been on the offensive with their shrill voice and obnoxious antics, read throwing ink, jhaddu et all. They have changed their slogan as well. Kavi is now shouting 'Vande Mataram' when until yesterday they said, Anna movement was a Hindu majority one. To protect Indic interest, we must at least try our best.

BRF has always been ahead of the curve and to stay ahead it must be able to identify the factors affecting the final polling count of 2014 general election. The sooner we do it the better. I am specifically asking for it because a lot of us may not always have access to the information at their finger tips and rely on google-chacha or BRF when in an argument with "young and the clueless" in SM.

The AAP has successfully transformed itself as the poster boy of secularist and 7M brigade. It's about time, we also be on the offensive. Clearly it is a do or die situation in 2014 and I believe hung parliament is not an option at this time.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 08 Dec 2013 21:39

Veer wrote:
suryag wrote:Anna is a moron a simpleton he made a somebody out of a nobody like Arvind KEjriwal
Yes, but he can pull votes and will split the AAP.

^ No, someone new like Kiran Bedi or VK Singh has to be fielded by BJP openly endorsing its campaign in Nai Dilli.

In the mean time , I want paid media to keep targeting modi as a punching bag, while raising kejri to the heights on their shoulders as they have been doing since his politics began .

People will automatically sense some thing is wrong with Kejri.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 08 Dec 2013 21:49

jamwal wrote:
abhijitm wrote:People may say that AAP is a sign of vibrant democracy. In my opinion it it not. AAP is a bold sign of how fragile our democracy is. Here is an example of people voting a party which has not done enough social activities, no proven record or no ideological basis. It is clearly a product of emotion. It is an example of how in tough times people can easily be manipulated by emotional antics. It takes only 2 years in the history to penetrate democracy where a party which ideally should be doing ground level work and gradually reach the top has been given a mandate to reach the top first and then do the ground work. I am worried.

There is a cause of worry if the AAP was something like Islamic Brotherhood or similar "revolutionary crap". The fact that they fought elections on basis of rooting out corruption in a legal, democratic way and still fared very well makes me optimistic about Indian democracy.

Thats the problem. Without reality check people should not be giving votes on blank promises and appearances. It is as good as bank is offering loan without checking the borrowers credibility and payment history. Another analogy could be - will you trust a stranger and offer your hard earned money? If not they why offer your vote? IMHO this is irresponsible behavior by educated middleclass and if the pattern start emerging in other states then I would be getting really worried.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 08 Dec 2013 21:49

hanumadu wrote:After seeing the opinion polls live videos posted here, I said that it looks like AAP all the way. If not for the late surge in polling, I think AAP would have emerged the clear winner. The naming of the party itself is a master stroke. A mid term election might actually give a decisive result in favor of AAP. But BJP should not stake a claim.

I would have preferred a clear AAP win than a hung assembly and let people see for them selves how much jaadu maar they can achieve. If they manage a corruption free govt, they would have been a template for all other parties. If not, they would fizzle out and die.

I think BJP should promise Lokpal as proposed by Anna Hazare if they come to power with absolute majority on their own. But how would that sit well with BJP candidates? How many within BJP would support Lokpal as it is? We all know, many politicians are in it for making money. Would BJP be able to get enough winnable candidates with such a proposal?

People won't fall for such tricks.

You need to introduce bold reforms. Lokpal is such dumb idea.

1. No more appointments to retired officials
2. Election/law enforcement reforms.

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 08 Dec 2013 21:52

What Anna ji really wants is to have some money in the trust operated by him so he can do some good work in Ralegan Siddhi. But yes he is too simplistic. Only way BJP should ally with him is when Anna ji is willing to cooperate with BR and others. Last time Anna ji could be brought around to say - BR should sit in his morchas as a follower. Kejri has a real handle on Anna ji.

The good thing in my view is Anna ji can actually be convinced of it all. Because BR carries the promise of big big campaigns that can satisfy the natural honesty urge of anybody including Anna ji. Lokpal campaign has shown him how much bigger can this get.

Lilo ji replied to you in the OT thread.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 08 Dec 2013 21:53

Jan Lokpal pretty much shows the AAP mindset. Solution for corruption is to create another Stasi/NKVD/Gestapo.
Typical leftist mindset which always secretly moves towards authoritarianism.

In contrast Modi is about simplifying laws and removing hurdles, so that they cant be used for corruption. Practical and simple.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 08 Dec 2013 21:55

I am listening to Harshavardhan. All I can say is wow and a very good interview. So much positive talk. He is saying that he against breaking parties.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 08 Dec 2013 21:57

Former NSG Commando wins on AAP ticket, defeats BJP candidate

Regardless of which party they are fighting elections on behalf of, it is great to see ex-IA officers and jawans who actually fought for the nation, now joining politics such as this guy and Rajyavardhan Rathore. Hopefully because of them the Scoundrel Factor in Indian politics will go down a bit.

Meanwhile, Pappu bleats.....

"I think, we need to consider thinking in terms of empowering the people which I have been saying within the party. I am going to make this a central issue," he said.

Maintaining that he would learn from the success of AAP, Rahul said the new party involved lot of people which traditional parties do not do.

"We are going to involve them (people) in a way you can't imagine," he said.

This moron has certainly earned a ticket to Jon Stewart's show on Comedy Central.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 08 Dec 2013 22:02

Arvind Kejriwal Reminds me of V.P. Singh who fought against the CORRUPTION of Rajiv Gandhi and became the PM of India. soon Reserve Bank of India was shipping its Gold as a collateral to get loans. We are still suffering due to Mandal Commission and other idiotic decisions by Weepy Singh .

Kejriwal is another Weepy Singh but only at a smaller level at this time. We should remind this to the Voters! Please learn from your history and support the experienced politicians like NAMO!.

rohitv · Post by **rohitv** » 08 Dec 2013 22:08

Kamal Faruki took exception at Sankarshan Thakur using the word "Vote-Katua". Sankarshan replied that its a perfectly legitimate hindi word.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 08 Dec 2013 22:09

Honestly we must all acknowledge the fact that pappu did contribute to BJPs success. His dumbness was so profound that everyone saw it too clearly. He is a lucky mascot for BJP in 2014. I hope they declare him officially as PM candidate. Pappu cant win saala!!

member_23658 · Post by **member_23658** » 08 Dec 2013 22:10

^he has promised to introspect and involve the common man "in ways you cannot even imagine". Those are the exact words