Bangladeshi ISI operative Mohammad Akbar arrested
9/16/2008 8:06:12 PM
The Pakistanis are at it again. Punjab police has intercepted a suspected ISI operative near the Indo-Pak border in Punjab. The ISI operative was captured near the border town of Firozpur just a few kilometers from India's border with Pakistan.
The man arrested has been confirmed to be a Bangladeshi national named Mohammad Akbar. Crucial information has been siezed from Akbar including a detailed map of crucial army installations in Ferozpur and a diary containing Pakistani numbers.
According to the police, Akbar is a spy who comes to India to gather information from here. He was caught when he came to Ferozpur on the same work."
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HNLC camps exist in Bangladesh: BSF
Shillong | Monday, Oct 6 2008 IST
The HNLC, an outift active in Meghalaya, has safe haven in Bangladesh, a senior BSF official said today.
Talking to reporters on the sidelines of a surrender ceremony of one HNLC cadre, Inspector General of BSF, PK Mishra said intelligence inputs indicated the existence of the HNLC camps in Bangladesh.
The HNLC, a tribal Khasi militant outfit, operating in Khasi and Jaintia Hills areas of Meghalaya is fighting for a 'sovereign Hynniewtrep homeland'.
Mr Mishra said the training centres that are still operational are located at Islapunji, Baramchal, Nooncherapunji, Panai, Amoli, Rangki, Begunchera, Nirlapunji and Niharpunji/Nihari under Maulavi Bazar district of Bangladesh.
''We will continue to put pressure on the Bangladesh authorities to dismantle these training camps,'' the IG BSF said.
Earlier, an active HNLC militant Bantei Sohtun surrendered before Mr Mishra at Assam, Meghalaya and Nagaland Frontier headquarters here.
The HNLC militant who underwent guerrilla warfare training in Chittagong Hills Tract of Bangladesh shun armed struggle due to apathy of the outfit's leadership and lack of funds.
Shillong | Monday, Oct 6 2008 IST
The HNLC, an outift active in Meghalaya, has safe haven in Bangladesh, a senior BSF official said today.
Talking to reporters on the sidelines of a surrender ceremony of one HNLC cadre, Inspector General of BSF, PK Mishra said intelligence inputs indicated the existence of the HNLC camps in Bangladesh.
The HNLC, a tribal Khasi militant outfit, operating in Khasi and Jaintia Hills areas of Meghalaya is fighting for a 'sovereign Hynniewtrep homeland'.
Mr Mishra said the training centres that are still operational are located at Islapunji, Baramchal, Nooncherapunji, Panai, Amoli, Rangki, Begunchera, Nirlapunji and Niharpunji/Nihari under Maulavi Bazar district of Bangladesh.
''We will continue to put pressure on the Bangladesh authorities to dismantle these training camps,'' the IG BSF said.
Earlier, an active HNLC militant Bantei Sohtun surrendered before Mr Mishra at Assam, Meghalaya and Nagaland Frontier headquarters here.
The HNLC militant who underwent guerrilla warfare training in Chittagong Hills Tract of Bangladesh shun armed struggle due to apathy of the outfit's leadership and lack of funds.
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Hold the presses.Breaking news:
Yeah,right...they are as much worried as Pakis are about the IM/SIMI.
B’desh too worried about HuJI: BDR
Tilak Rai Posted: Oct 11, 2008 at 0107 hrs IST
Dawki, October 10 Bangladesh is “gravely concerned” over the alleged involvement of Bangladesh-based Terror organisation HuJI in terror activities in India, and will jointly fight the terror outfit, said Bangladesh Rifles (BDR) chief Major General Shakil Ahmed.
Ahmed met BSF Inspector General P K Misra at the Dawki-Tambil border outpost in eastern Meghalaya on Thursday and exchanged greetings on Vijaya Dashami.
“Both sides will have to work together to fight terrorism and insurgents in the common interest of peace and security,” said Ahmed. He added that Bangladesh was also a victim of the HuJI and would do everything to stamp out the menace.
Underlining Bangladesh's commitment to fighting terrorism he said, “We have already been cooperating with BSF by sharing intelligence related to cross border terrorism activities.” He stressed the need for joint efforts between the BSF and BDR to deal with all cross-border criminal activities, adding that much progress in fighting criminal activities had been made after the two countries decided to jointly patrol the border.
On charges that Bangladesh was habouring India-based insurgent groups, Ahmed said Bangladesh “does not and will not” allow any criminals to function from within its soil. “Recently, we (Bangladesh) handed over 18 criminals at Akhura checkpost and four criminals from across Mymensingh district to India,” he said.
Regarding India's request to deport detained ULFA general secretary Anup Chetia, wanted for several murder cases, Ahmed said Chetia had approached the Dhaka Court pleading for political asylum in Bangladesh claiming that he was a “freedom fighter”. He, however, said deportation of Chetia has been on the agenda at every discussion between India and Bangladesh.
Yeah,right...they are as much worried as Pakis are about the IM/SIMI.
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Pakistan betrayed by USA? by O H Kabir, Dhaka: The Daily Star
Bangladeshis are worried now of US attacking India!We are afraid if India is also going to face the same situation like Pakistan in future when US President George Bush has already got an agreement on US nuclear energy aid to India.
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Hold that condescending attitude brother
The short, dark, fish eating, multicolored lungi Dalladeshi is right, he has every right to fear US attacks on mini bangladeshs which are spouting in all corners in India, where do you think the 150 million jihadis will escape to when the tide rises in Bay of Bangal consuming most of their godforsaken country? The chinese, Burmese will machinegun each and every Dalladeshi trying to enter illegally and in the process will get rid of the legal ones too, only mamata didi, pranabda, Patils, Dixits and the cretin Basus( the commies ) will welcome them with open arms.
The short, dark, fish eating, multicolored lungi Dalladeshi is right, he has every right to fear US attacks on mini bangladeshs which are spouting in all corners in India, where do you think the 150 million jihadis will escape to when the tide rises in Bay of Bangal consuming most of their godforsaken country? The chinese, Burmese will machinegun each and every Dalladeshi trying to enter illegally and in the process will get rid of the legal ones too, only mamata didi, pranabda, Patils, Dixits and the cretin Basus( the commies ) will welcome them with open arms.
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vamanji, It is not going to fall into the sea just yet. They need to get a attitude adjustment, via the use of coercion if necessary -- they cannot be allowed to become another nuisance like Pakistan, sending in HuJI cadre and pretending they did not. GoI keeps handing copies of the locations of all terrorist camps in triplicate, that BDR and BD government folds those triplications and uses them to prop up a side table with a short leg.
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Three Bangladeshi nationals held
Shillong | Sunday, Oct 12 2008 IST
Meghalaya police arrested three Bangladeshi nationals and seized fake identity cards from their possession, police said today.
The trio - Md Mayser Haque, Md Fakar Uddin Ali and Hasen Ali - were arrested from Laban area.
Police have produced them in court.
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Bangladesh arrests 4 Huji militants
http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/00 ... 151431.htm
October 15, 2008
Dhaka (PTI): Four suspected Harkat-ul-Jihad (Huji) militants have been arrested by the Bangladesh's elite anti-crime Rapid Action Battalion in southwestern Khulna, officials said here on Wednesday.
RAB officials said the Huji militants were arrested following a tip off and during interrogations they confessed to have hatched a plot to get free their detained top leader Mufti Abdul Hannan from jail.
Officials said the police has submitted a charge sheet in a Dhaka court accusing 21 Huji militants, including its top leader Hannan and former minister Abdus Salam Pintu of detained ex-premier Khaleda Zia's Bangladesh Nationalist Party (BNP), of carrying out a deadly grenade attack on a rally.
Twenty four people were killed in the attack on the rally of ex-premier Sheikh Hasina's Awami League. Several others were wounded but Hasina narrowly escaped the attack.
The militant outfit is also believed to have carried out several other blasts including a 2001 bomb attack during Bengali New Year celebrations at Dhaka's Ramna Batmul leaving 12 dead and blasts on a Communist Party rally in 2005 which killed five people and Bangladeshi born former British envoy in Dhaka Anwar Chowdhury.
Bangladesh banned Huji in October 2005 while the US earlier this year designated it as a "foreign terrorist organisation" and "specially designated global terrorist".
Indian security agencies suspected the outfit's links in the Jaipur serial bombings.
Huji announced its emergence on April 30, 1992 in Bangladesh through a news conference wearing sleeveless olive combat jackets over shelwar-kameez with its leaders sitting shoulder to shoulder at the National Press Club and boastfully described how they had fought in the previous Afghan war.
http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/00 ... 151431.htm
October 15, 2008
Dhaka (PTI): Four suspected Harkat-ul-Jihad (Huji) militants have been arrested by the Bangladesh's elite anti-crime Rapid Action Battalion in southwestern Khulna, officials said here on Wednesday.
RAB officials said the Huji militants were arrested following a tip off and during interrogations they confessed to have hatched a plot to get free their detained top leader Mufti Abdul Hannan from jail.
Officials said the police has submitted a charge sheet in a Dhaka court accusing 21 Huji militants, including its top leader Hannan and former minister Abdus Salam Pintu of detained ex-premier Khaleda Zia's Bangladesh Nationalist Party (BNP), of carrying out a deadly grenade attack on a rally.
Twenty four people were killed in the attack on the rally of ex-premier Sheikh Hasina's Awami League. Several others were wounded but Hasina narrowly escaped the attack.
The militant outfit is also believed to have carried out several other blasts including a 2001 bomb attack during Bengali New Year celebrations at Dhaka's Ramna Batmul leaving 12 dead and blasts on a Communist Party rally in 2005 which killed five people and Bangladeshi born former British envoy in Dhaka Anwar Chowdhury.
Bangladesh banned Huji in October 2005 while the US earlier this year designated it as a "foreign terrorist organisation" and "specially designated global terrorist".
Indian security agencies suspected the outfit's links in the Jaipur serial bombings.
Huji announced its emergence on April 30, 1992 in Bangladesh through a news conference wearing sleeveless olive combat jackets over shelwar-kameez with its leaders sitting shoulder to shoulder at the National Press Club and boastfully described how they had fought in the previous Afghan war.
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Keeping Dhaka's Ghosts Alive
By Ishaan Tharoor Wednesday, Sep. 24, 2008
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/ ... 44,00.html
A 1971 photograph from a mass grave near Dhaka that contained the bodies of Bengali intellectuals, taken during the war for Bangladeshi independence
In a sleepy neighborhood on the outskirts of Dhaka stands an empty lot called the Jalladkhana — Bengali for "Butcher's Den." A courtyard, flanked by a red brick wall and lined with potted plants and marble plaques, leads to a small two-room building. Inside, it is quiet and tranquil; a few candles flicker. Kept there are tiny traces of an untold horror that took place nearly 40 years ago: a pair of broken spectacles, a sandal with its straps torn, human skulls and bones. "They speak," says Mofidul Hoque, a trustee of the museum that preserves the site, "of an immeasurable silence."
No one knows the exact number killed during Bangladesh's bloody struggle for independence in 1971 when the territory of East Pakistan severed its unnatural bonds with then West Pakistan, a thousand miles away on the other side of India. At the close of the Liberation War, as it's called by Bangladeshis, TIME reporters suggested the death toll was above a million.
Ask people in Dhaka today and they'll tell you the true figure of Bengali civilians murdered by West Pakistani troops and death squads guided by collaborators was three times that. Bangladesh sits atop an alluvial plain, so those bent on genocide needed only to dump bodies in rivers or, as at the Jalladkhana, down the wells and conduits of local water-pumping stations, where corpses were literally flushed away into the sea. "These are crimes so horrible that even God wouldn't forgive you," says K.M. Safiullah, a retired general who led the independence war effort. "There cannot be unity without this being solved."
Most of the last century's greatest atrocities have had a just, if painful, reckoning. The Holocaust found its redemption in the trials at Nuremberg, Rwanda's genocide in an internationally backed war-crimes tribunal, and some of the architects of Cambodia's killing fields are finally reaping what they sowed. More the shame, then, that possibly the most brutal massacre since World War II remains unreconciled at home and unremembered abroad.
But today there's growing momentum in Dhaka for some sort of restitution. Since its traumatic birth, Bangladesh has weathered coups, assassinations and a legacy of largely corrupt and ineffectual leadership. Now war veterans such as Safiullah and other members of civil society are urging Bangladesh's current government, a caretaker administration of technocrats propped up by the military, to establish a fact-finding commission that could go about the long-overdue work of collecting testimony and starting prosecutions. In recent weeks, they've called for the banning of suspected war criminals and collaborators from the polls due to be held in December, but they face stiff resistance.
The real authority in the country, General Moeen Uddin Ahmed, said earlier this year that the current period — as his regime overhauls the nation's politics and prepares for elections in December — was not the moment to sort out the weighty baggage of the past.
Previous governments failed to prosecute suspected war criminals; others, amid a tangled mess of loyalties in the aftermath of the war, pardoned dozens of Pakistani officers. To this day, the war casts a deeply polarizing shadow, with many still suspected of having collaborated with West Pakistan's suppression of the East.
In spite of this, or perhaps because of it, Ali Ahsan Mojaheed, general secretary of the Jamaat-e-Islami, a powerful political party that sided with Pakistan in 1971, thinks it's better to close the book on a tragic chapter in history rather than risk opening old wounds. After all, many who supported unity with Pakistan were also killed in reprisal attacks. "This is a dead issue," says Mojaheed. "It cannot be raised."
Yet the sheer scale of the carnage cannot be denied. Sydney Schanberg, then the New York Times's South Asia correspondent, described the month-long Pakistani crackdown in March 1971 as "a pogrom on a vast scale" in a land where "vultures grow fat." (He would famously win a Pulitzer Prize for his reporting five years later on Cambodia's killing fields.) Passing through the charred husks of villages razed by West Pakistani troops, he heard whispered story after story of mass executions of Hindus, college students and anybody suspected of Bengali nationalism. Neighborhoods were gutted as Bangladesh's main cities fell to a fifth of their existing population; 10 million refugees fled west to India. Almost every Bangladeshi household has a tale of loss and suffering. Around 400,000 women, by some estimates, were raped.
At the Jalladkhana, Hoque fights simply to keep the memory of those days alive. He reckons that there are thousands of other sites like this dotting Bangladesh's lush countryside. By one such spot north of the capital, he recalls, a stone epitaph erected there is inscribed with a bare message: "Passerby," it reads, "please stand here a moment."
By Ishaan Tharoor Wednesday, Sep. 24, 2008
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/ ... 44,00.html
A 1971 photograph from a mass grave near Dhaka that contained the bodies of Bengali intellectuals, taken during the war for Bangladeshi independence
In a sleepy neighborhood on the outskirts of Dhaka stands an empty lot called the Jalladkhana — Bengali for "Butcher's Den." A courtyard, flanked by a red brick wall and lined with potted plants and marble plaques, leads to a small two-room building. Inside, it is quiet and tranquil; a few candles flicker. Kept there are tiny traces of an untold horror that took place nearly 40 years ago: a pair of broken spectacles, a sandal with its straps torn, human skulls and bones. "They speak," says Mofidul Hoque, a trustee of the museum that preserves the site, "of an immeasurable silence."
No one knows the exact number killed during Bangladesh's bloody struggle for independence in 1971 when the territory of East Pakistan severed its unnatural bonds with then West Pakistan, a thousand miles away on the other side of India. At the close of the Liberation War, as it's called by Bangladeshis, TIME reporters suggested the death toll was above a million.
Ask people in Dhaka today and they'll tell you the true figure of Bengali civilians murdered by West Pakistani troops and death squads guided by collaborators was three times that. Bangladesh sits atop an alluvial plain, so those bent on genocide needed only to dump bodies in rivers or, as at the Jalladkhana, down the wells and conduits of local water-pumping stations, where corpses were literally flushed away into the sea. "These are crimes so horrible that even God wouldn't forgive you," says K.M. Safiullah, a retired general who led the independence war effort. "There cannot be unity without this being solved."
Most of the last century's greatest atrocities have had a just, if painful, reckoning. The Holocaust found its redemption in the trials at Nuremberg, Rwanda's genocide in an internationally backed war-crimes tribunal, and some of the architects of Cambodia's killing fields are finally reaping what they sowed. More the shame, then, that possibly the most brutal massacre since World War II remains unreconciled at home and unremembered abroad.
But today there's growing momentum in Dhaka for some sort of restitution. Since its traumatic birth, Bangladesh has weathered coups, assassinations and a legacy of largely corrupt and ineffectual leadership. Now war veterans such as Safiullah and other members of civil society are urging Bangladesh's current government, a caretaker administration of technocrats propped up by the military, to establish a fact-finding commission that could go about the long-overdue work of collecting testimony and starting prosecutions. In recent weeks, they've called for the banning of suspected war criminals and collaborators from the polls due to be held in December, but they face stiff resistance.
The real authority in the country, General Moeen Uddin Ahmed, said earlier this year that the current period — as his regime overhauls the nation's politics and prepares for elections in December — was not the moment to sort out the weighty baggage of the past.
Previous governments failed to prosecute suspected war criminals; others, amid a tangled mess of loyalties in the aftermath of the war, pardoned dozens of Pakistani officers. To this day, the war casts a deeply polarizing shadow, with many still suspected of having collaborated with West Pakistan's suppression of the East.
In spite of this, or perhaps because of it, Ali Ahsan Mojaheed, general secretary of the Jamaat-e-Islami, a powerful political party that sided with Pakistan in 1971, thinks it's better to close the book on a tragic chapter in history rather than risk opening old wounds. After all, many who supported unity with Pakistan were also killed in reprisal attacks. "This is a dead issue," says Mojaheed. "It cannot be raised."
Yet the sheer scale of the carnage cannot be denied. Sydney Schanberg, then the New York Times's South Asia correspondent, described the month-long Pakistani crackdown in March 1971 as "a pogrom on a vast scale" in a land where "vultures grow fat." (He would famously win a Pulitzer Prize for his reporting five years later on Cambodia's killing fields.) Passing through the charred husks of villages razed by West Pakistani troops, he heard whispered story after story of mass executions of Hindus, college students and anybody suspected of Bengali nationalism. Neighborhoods were gutted as Bangladesh's main cities fell to a fifth of their existing population; 10 million refugees fled west to India. Almost every Bangladeshi household has a tale of loss and suffering. Around 400,000 women, by some estimates, were raped.
At the Jalladkhana, Hoque fights simply to keep the memory of those days alive. He reckons that there are thousands of other sites like this dotting Bangladesh's lush countryside. By one such spot north of the capital, he recalls, a stone epitaph erected there is inscribed with a bare message: "Passerby," it reads, "please stand here a moment."
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These fellows in the Jamaat-e-Islami want to "close the book" because *they* are the ones who are responsible for the genocide along with the Pakistani Army -- these genocidal vermin need to be flushed out of Bangladesh before it can stabilize.
I wager that after this " Gen. Moeen Udeen" who seems to be not ideologically opposed to the JeI (going by his behaviour and his refusal to cooperate with India since he assumed control) conducts the elections, the next islamist govt. will be just as uncooperative and intransigent as all the previous ones. In fact, any "democratic" govt. in Bangladesh can only assume power if it has the support of the JeI if we go by the past elections -- their political control of Bangladesh is almost total it looks like.
The JeI are also the ideological brothers of HuJI, which has been responsible for a lot of terrorist attacks against India in the past few years -- the Hyderabad bombings, and many inside Bangladeshi territory even.
I wager that after this " Gen. Moeen Udeen" who seems to be not ideologically opposed to the JeI (going by his behaviour and his refusal to cooperate with India since he assumed control) conducts the elections, the next islamist govt. will be just as uncooperative and intransigent as all the previous ones. In fact, any "democratic" govt. in Bangladesh can only assume power if it has the support of the JeI if we go by the past elections -- their political control of Bangladesh is almost total it looks like.
The JeI are also the ideological brothers of HuJI, which has been responsible for a lot of terrorist attacks against India in the past few years -- the Hyderabad bombings, and many inside Bangladeshi territory even.
In spite of this, or perhaps because of it, Ali Ahsan Mojaheed, general secretary of the Jamaat-e-Islami, a powerful political party that sided with Pakistan in 1971, thinks it's better to close the book on a tragic chapter in history rather than risk opening old wounds. After all, many who supported unity with Pakistan were also killed in reprisal attacks. "This is a dead issue," says Mojaheed. "It cannot be raised
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the credit should go to richard nixon for browbeating India and forcing a quick retreat
before we could stick around a while and support Mujibur in draining the swamp. rich
rewards like road and rail corridors could have been taken on long term lease. maybe
even a indian operated port south of mizoram
instead we did all the hard work and threw away the reward.
before we could stick around a while and support Mujibur in draining the swamp. rich
rewards like road and rail corridors could have been taken on long term lease. maybe
even a indian operated port south of mizoram
instead we did all the hard work and threw away the reward.
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This amazing ability has been displayed by our netas umpteen number of times like return of Haji Pir, IWT, Shimla agreement etc...So, surprising about it!!!Singha wrote:the credit should go to richard nixon for browbeating India and forcing a quick retreat
before we could stick around a while and support Mujibur in draining the swamp. rich
rewards like road and rail corridors could have been taken on long term lease. maybe
even a indian operated port south of mizoram
instead we did all the hard work and threw away the reward.
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Bangladesh nationals ambushed BSF in Meghalaya's sector
Shillong | Friday, Oct 17 2008 IST
Armed Bangladeshi nationals ambushed Border Security Force (BSF) personnel, guarding the international Indo-Bangla border in Lulong area under Meghalaya sector, a BSF official said today.
The exchange of fire between armed Bangladeshis and BSF started at around 2300 hrs last night, when armed Bangladeshis attempted to sneak inside India.
''They ambushed our troops, but we retaliated and the militants eventually escaped into the Bangladesh side,'' Inspector General of BSF, P K Mishra told UNI here over the phone.
However, there was no report of any casualty on either side.
Last night's firing assumed significance after Meghalaya police arrested Md Habibur Rohman, a student activist of the Bangladesh Islami Chhatra Shibir (BICS), the student wing of the Jamaat-e-Islami Bangladesh on October 3 after he sneaked inside Bholaganj village in Meghalaya from Bangladesh's Sunamganj district.
Rohman, still under police custody, was being grilled by various intelligence agencies to find out his exact motive to sneak into India.
JMB was one of several extremist and terrorist organisations in Bangladesh waging a fratricidal war against the young nation-state with the aim of establishing an Islamic state.
Shillong | Friday, Oct 17 2008 IST
Armed Bangladeshi nationals ambushed Border Security Force (BSF) personnel, guarding the international Indo-Bangla border in Lulong area under Meghalaya sector, a BSF official said today.
The exchange of fire between armed Bangladeshis and BSF started at around 2300 hrs last night, when armed Bangladeshis attempted to sneak inside India.
''They ambushed our troops, but we retaliated and the militants eventually escaped into the Bangladesh side,'' Inspector General of BSF, P K Mishra told UNI here over the phone.
However, there was no report of any casualty on either side.
Last night's firing assumed significance after Meghalaya police arrested Md Habibur Rohman, a student activist of the Bangladesh Islami Chhatra Shibir (BICS), the student wing of the Jamaat-e-Islami Bangladesh on October 3 after he sneaked inside Bholaganj village in Meghalaya from Bangladesh's Sunamganj district.
Rohman, still under police custody, was being grilled by various intelligence agencies to find out his exact motive to sneak into India.
JMB was one of several extremist and terrorist organisations in Bangladesh waging a fratricidal war against the young nation-state with the aim of establishing an Islamic state.
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What is Bangladesh's official stand on these infiltrators? what stops the IA from crossing the border and going after these excuses for humans?
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BDs official stand: these were cowherds who had gone into disputed territory to gt their cattle back from evil Indians who smuggle cattle by the millions into their land from our sacred land. The massive influx of poor Indians into BD is causing the local citizens a lot of problems like tha above mentioned one...archan wrote:What is Bangladesh's official stand on these infiltrators? what stops the IA from crossing the border and going after these excuses for humans?
{May not be the actual comment but expect something very similar)
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Myanmar brings warships to explore Bangladesh waters
Escorted by two naval warships, Myanmar has arbitrarily deployed four ships for exploring oil and gas in Bangladesh maritime territory Saturday ignoring Bangladesh Navy warnings. Bangladesh Navy has also positioned three ships at the spot
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On the map, St. Martin's Island seems to be more in Myanmar's territory than bangladesh's since it is south of where the international border meets the coast. The disputed exploration area being 50 nm southwest of the island would put it even more into Myanmar's territory and directly offshore from Sittwe. Strange that there is even a dispute here.
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Whose Navy is more powerful currently??Gerard wrote:Myanmar brings warships to explore Bangladesh watersEscorted by two naval warships, Myanmar has arbitrarily deployed four ships for exploring oil and gas in Bangladesh maritime territory Saturday ignoring Bangladesh Navy warnings. Bangladesh Navy has also positioned three ships at the spot
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Looks like the talks between Myanmar and BD failed --- from the previous page. India should be joining Myanmar in yanking BD territory away from them..NOW is the time to create border disputes that go against BD's favour. These areas could be given back to them if they promise to behave well and when they acquiesce in other areas...or maybe not even then.
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Dhaka to settle maritime boundary dispute with neighbours
Friday 05 September, 2008
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Bangladesh and Myanmar experts on sea-related issues met in Dhaka earlier this year and decided to hold another round of talks on the issue in Yangon this year to resolve the dispute.
Officials earlier said maritime border demarcation now appeared crucial as a UN set deadline for lodging maritime claims is to expire in next three years exposing Bangladesh to risks of losing a vast territory in the Bay of Bengal.
Bangladesh needs to lodge claims over its maritime boundary to the International Seabed Authority by 2011 as per the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) by 2011.
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Would assume that the BDN(if it is called so) is better placed since they do have the C-802 missiles for their Chinese supplied oldies.kidoman wrote: Whose Navy is more powerful currently??
Though myanmar also seems to have lots of Chinese stuff they seem to be of older vintage than even the BD ones!!!
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"On the map, St. Martin's Island seems to be more in Myanmar's territory than bangladesh's since it is south of where the international border meets the coast"
If that is your way of defining a boundary of a country, then the andaman and nicobar should looks way inside Bangladesh teritory.
Regarding the economic zone by UN, it is 200 nautical miles from the shore and this 50 nautical miles should be within the economic zone of Bangladesh. But dont take it wrong, that disputed territory does fall under 200 nautical miles of Myanmar shore as well. There is a well in place mechanism to solve this kind of dispute thorogh experts opinions not through war ships which myanmar sent. Myanmar will be a complete looser here.. Dont wanna compare military strength here...
Bangladesh is taking care of more than 10 countries in the world where Bangladeshi soldiers are deployed, Few of them already taken Bengali as one of their national laguages (India can dream of it).
If that is your way of defining a boundary of a country, then the andaman and nicobar should looks way inside Bangladesh teritory.
Regarding the economic zone by UN, it is 200 nautical miles from the shore and this 50 nautical miles should be within the economic zone of Bangladesh. But dont take it wrong, that disputed territory does fall under 200 nautical miles of Myanmar shore as well. There is a well in place mechanism to solve this kind of dispute thorogh experts opinions not through war ships which myanmar sent. Myanmar will be a complete looser here.. Dont wanna compare military strength here...
Bangladesh is taking care of more than 10 countries in the world where Bangladeshi soldiers are deployed, Few of them already taken Bengali as one of their national laguages (India can dream of it).
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Bangladesh is taking care of more than 10 countries in the world where Bangladeshi soldiers are deployed, Few of them already taken Bengali as one of their national languages (India can dream of it).
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If that is your way of defining a boundary of a country, then the andaman and nicobar should looks way inside Bangladesh teritory.
by any happy chance, do you teach geography at some place ?
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Time is ripe for India to take over some BD nautical territory along with Myanmar -- if BD wants to be a terrorist PITA for India, they can pay for it by losing more and more of their territory to Myanmar....India should assist its buddy Myanmar in causing pain to BD in a major way. BD needs to pay for all its terrorism against India in the past years, with paki encouragement.
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the point is not capability but intent. as long as BD intends to be the proverbial PITA and GoI is ready to go along with it, nothing of the sort will happen.
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Delhisugriva wrote:Bangladesh is taking care of more than 10 countries in the world where Bangladeshi soldiers are deployed, Few of them already taken Bengali as one of their national languages (India can dream of it).
mumbai
bangalore, Kerala
Hyderabad
Guwahati
Lahore
Djakarta
White Chapel
Bethnal Green
Brick Lane
If that is your way of defining a boundary of a country, then the andaman and nicobar should looks way inside Bangladesh teritory.
What next? demands that India should hand over Chandrayan to Bangladesh just because the moon is visible from Dhaka?
mods please invite this janaab to the Benis dhaaga
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I just want my money back which GOI forced me to spend on feeding many millions of Bangledeshi from 1970-1972.iajdani wrote:"On the map, St. Martin's Island seems to be more in Myanmar's territory than bangladesh's since it is south of where the international border meets the coast"
If that is your way of defining a boundary of a country, then the andaman and nicobar should looks way inside Bangladesh teritory.
Regarding the economic zone by UN, it is 200 nautical miles from the shore and this 50 nautical miles should be within the economic zone of Bangladesh. But dont take it wrong, that disputed territory does fall under 200 nautical miles of Myanmar shore as well. There is a well in place mechanism to solve this kind of dispute thorogh experts opinions not through war ships which myanmar sent. Myanmar will be a complete looser here.. Dont wanna compare military strength here...
Bangladesh is taking care of more than 10 countries in the world where Bangladeshi soldiers are deployed, Few of them already taken Bengali as one of their national laguages (India can dream of it).
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Stop talking like clowns (especially Rye!). There won't be any war between Bangladesh and Myanmar any soon, so relax and stop daydreaming about taking BD land, which we all know is under Indian Army plans anyway.Prem wrote:I just want my money back which GOI forced me to spend on feeding many millions of Bangledeshi from 1970-1972.iajdani wrote:"On the map, St. Martin's Island seems to be more in Myanmar's territory than bangladesh's since it is south of where the international border meets the coast"
If that is your way of defining a boundary of a country, then the andaman and nicobar should looks way inside Bangladesh teritory.
Regarding the economic zone by UN, it is 200 nautical miles from the shore and this 50 nautical miles should be within the economic zone of Bangladesh. But dont take it wrong, that disputed territory does fall under 200 nautical miles of Myanmar shore as well. There is a well in place mechanism to solve this kind of dispute thorogh experts opinions not through war ships which myanmar sent. Myanmar will be a complete looser here.. Dont wanna compare military strength here...
Bangladesh is taking care of more than 10 countries in the world where Bangladeshi soldiers are deployed, Few of them already taken Bengali as one of their national laguages (India can dream of it).
In the remote possibility of a war, which may only happen after 2 or 3 months of failed diplomacy, there will be US soldiers (remember, that's post election for both US and BD) deployed along BD-Myanmar border. You can be sure of that. Now don't assume Obama is a pacifist and won't further US interests in Asia - having US soldiers stationed near South Asia has been one of the foremost long-sought US plan. And if you've been wondering why the heck BD will ever do that, just realize that BD can't always fight the aggressive hegemonistic forces of India, Pakistan Myanmar and China (the countries which have troubled us in the past and have the potential to trouble us in the future) alone and inviting US forces would be the only option left. That's bad news for India and China (US forces would be a pain in the troubled NE).We're unfortunate to be in this geographic position between two large hegemonies, but we'll have to fight the fight for the lives of our loved ones.
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My aunt slept with an important man in Bangladesh and the entire government of Bangladesh are now my cousins.iajdani wrote: Bangladesh is taking care of more than 10 countries in the world where Bangladeshi soldiers are deployed, Few of them already taken Bengali as one of their national laguages (India can dream of it).
The problem with my statement is that I cold be talking crap, but how will you disprove it?
Ar best you have to ask me to prove it, and I will say "Ha Ha ha! You are worried now"
Boss this is the same rubbish you are resorting to.
I am reminded of the time I once found a pork tapeworm in my motions and I wanted to kill the worm. The worm said, "Don't kill me - I know all the holy scriptures". I said "Prove it" and I am still waiting for the worm to prove it - sitting and watching crap.
I seem to be doing the same thing here. I am looking at crap, and I am asking you to please put some names and numbers to your tall claim above so that I can be jealous - or else please tuck your tail between your legs and get the hell out of here.
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Shakilanam wrote:
ooh, the unfriendly neighbourhood BD citizen is back here on this thread again. Wonder how long he will last this time around. I am not going to bother responding to this troll...However, it looks like BD is going to be the next geopolitical hooker in the neighbourhood...charging only discount rate to all johns, BD is going for a much cheaper rate per hour than Pakistan (with uncle sam folding up his trousers to get ready to get into bed with BD), if we are to believe that post, which has the same delusional qualities as pure pakhashish posts.blah blah <snip>
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This is so typical of BD. They could go dig for gas in their own patch but no, they had to stop Myanmar from doing so in theirs--I won't eat my banana and won't let you eat your's either. They are looking stupid for having sent the whole BD navy to one little rig while Myanmar has shown b@lls in treating BD delaying tactics with contempt and forcing the issue. Interesting possibilities ahead.
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Keep it up. A bit more hot air from you, porkis breaking wind a bit more (eating grass will do that to ya), global warming and bangadesh goes poof! Know what i mean?iajdani wrote:"On the map, St. Martin's Island seems to be more in Myanmar's territory than bangladesh's since it is south of where the international border meets the coast"
If that is your way of defining a boundary of a country, then the andaman and nicobar should looks way inside Bangladesh teritory.
Regarding the economic zone by UN, it is 200 nautical miles from the shore and this 50 nautical miles should be within the economic zone of Bangladesh. But dont take it wrong, that disputed territory does fall under 200 nautical miles of Myanmar shore as well. There is a well in place mechanism to solve this kind of dispute thorogh experts opinions not through war ships which myanmar sent. Myanmar will be a complete looser here.. Dont wanna compare military strength here...
Bangladesh is taking care of more than 10 countries in the world where Bangladeshi soldiers are deployed, Few of them already taken Bengali as one of their national laguages (India can dream of it).
BTW, isn't Bengali an Indian language? So, the credit really goes to India, dont it?
(https://www.cia.gov/library/publication ... os/in.html)
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Hmm..
So if I read Shakil-Mian's posts correctly, the BD gameplan is to allow US basing rights at Cox Bazaar, a long standing demand of Unkil actually, if they are pushed to the wall. Which explains Lutyenabad's reluctance to act on BD land.
So if I read Shakil-Mian's posts correctly, the BD gameplan is to allow US basing rights at Cox Bazaar, a long standing demand of Unkil actually, if they are pushed to the wall. Which explains Lutyenabad's reluctance to act on BD land.
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BD is still smarting over the fact New Moore Island was abducted by the indian navy
all those years back. one little corvette dispatched to the scene and up goes the white
flag.
thats because no 'secular' media to hound the GOI in the high seas
we do
what we want out there...its our backyard and we are the biggest dog in it.
all those years back. one little corvette dispatched to the scene and up goes the white
flag.
thats because no 'secular' media to hound the GOI in the high seas
we dowhat we want out there...its our backyard and we are the biggest dog in it.
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Re-posting from Archive:
http://epaper.hindustantimes.com/Default.aspx
What is making the Navy/ICG's job of deporting the intruders difficult?
P.S.:Resolving the India-BD border dispute is tricky because the WB state govt. doesn't want to have a firmed up Int'l border...perhaps it still hopes for a re-unification.
dumb question: Can't we resolve a majority of the issue just by trading each other's enclaves? seems to be a simple solution.
http://epaper.hindustantimes.com/Default.aspx
This is fishy.....why go so far?Many states come before remote A&N.NATIVE RESIDENTS and the general public of Andaman & Nicobar Islands on Tuesday organised a rally at Jantar Mantar to draw attention of the Prime Minister on the issue of reservation of employment for the Islanders.
They also sought preservation of the ecology and environment of the Islands being damaged by intruders.
The points they raised were: Re-introduction of Domicile Condition as has been provided in the past by Ministry of Home Affairs and formation of separate Civil Service Commission exclusively for A&N Islands; Evolving a mechanism to identify and evict illegal intruders, poachers, immigrants, specially Bangladeshi nationals, and encroachers upon Forest/Revenue land and Introduction of Inner Line Permit system.
The Forum also drew attention of the central government that carelessness being adopted by the A&N Administration in regard to preservation of rare species of flora and fauna too. The protest was held under the aegis of the Island Protection Forum, a non-political organization.
What is making the Navy/ICG's job of deporting the intruders difficult?
P.S.:Resolving the India-BD border dispute is tricky because the WB state govt. doesn't want to have a firmed up Int'l border...perhaps it still hopes for a re-unification.
dumb question: Can't we resolve a majority of the issue just by trading each other's enclaves? seems to be a simple solution.
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Of course a dumb question.skher wrote: P.S.:Resolving the India-BD border dispute is tricky because the WB state govt. doesn't want to have a firmed up Int'l border...perhaps it still hopes for a re-unification.
dumb question: Can't we resolve a majority of the issue just by trading each other's enclaves? seems to be a simple solution.
Are you really naive or pretending to be so? Anyway...quick facts for you (and noobs like you).
1. Fencing of border does not depends on the state govt.s wish or pleasure. On the other hand WB govt. has precisely requested this..i.e. asked for the fence to be erected all along. If center wishes the border fence will come up in a fortnight.
2. Your hint re-unification with the backing reasoning is as sound as open Wagha post being a preclude to unification of Punjab.
3. Trading of enclaves has been a long standing Indian demand. Don't lay the blame on Bengal if Delhi does not have the balls to back up diplomacy with guns.
Technical problems that you should ponder upon.
Exchange of enclaves is long way off. First you need to figure out rehabilitation of families that have their courtyards and house lying on either side of international border.
Finally, it will do some good if BSF is thrown out and IB patrolling along BD border is entrusted to the Army. The Army jawans do not sell themselves for few hundred rupees.
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A Korean company hired by Myanmar to explore for oil and gas in disputed waters in the Bay of Bengal is withdrawing, a senior Bangladesh foreign ministry official said on Friday.
“The Daewoo-Myanmar company, a South Korean firm appointed by Myanmar for oil and gas exploration in the Bay of Bengal, has started the process of withdrawal from areas Bangladesh claims to be her territorial water,” said Iftekhar Ahmed Chowdhury, Foreign Affairs adviser (minister). “The government of the Republic of Korea and the Daewoo Company informed us that the dismantling process had begun, which might take a few days to complete,” he told Reuters. Iftekhar said Bangladesh still hoped for a peaceful resolution of the dispute in the Bay, where both countries have deployed navy ships. Dhaka has noted the issue to China, a friend of both.
In Yangon, a Foreign Ministry official said on Thursday Myanmar had only “paused” in its exploration activities in the disputed waters. “We don’t have any reason to change our stance on this matter because it is located in our exclusive economic zone,” said the Foreign Ministry official, who declined to be identified. “We will continue it soon and move somewhere else within our zone when it’s finished,” he said of the exploration work.
Meanwhile, the head of Bangladesh’s army-backed interim government, Fakhruddin Ahmed, held a meeting on Thursday with the armed forces chiefs and foreign ministry officials to take stock of the situation. Iftekhar said the meeting underscored Bangladesh’s “strong resolve” to protect sovereign territory, including in the Bay. Yangon summoned the Bangladesh ambassador on Sunday to protest against Dhaka’s actions, after Dhaka had done the same for Yangon’s envoy to lodge a protest over Myanmar’s moves.
A Bangladesh diplomatic mission led by Foreign Secretary Touhid Hossain is in Yangon to discuss the issue, ministry officials said. Bangladesh was also in contact with some diplomats, including the Chinese ambassador in Dhaka and Bangladeshi ambassadors abroad, trying to find a solution, foreign ministry officials said. China’s foreign ministry on Thursday urged both countries to take measures to resolve the dispute amicably. Bangladesh and Myanmar have been holding talks for years to settle their claims in the Bay of Bengal. Technical delegations from both sides were scheduled to meet in Dhaka on November 16 and 17 to discuss maritime boundary demarcation, officials said.
http://thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=145437
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Gerard wrote:Myanmar building up troops on border
This is happening in India's backyard. China has forced itself onto Bangladesh to play the role of arbitrator in South Asia, a role which would have been India's. China is telling Bangladesh, that if it wants its security interests preserved, it would have to negotiate with China and give China concessions. On the other hand, China is giving Myanmar a long leash to go about expanding its military influence and browbeat its neighbors without any fear of retaliation, as it is under China's security cover.Tension between Bangladesh and Myanmar intensified Friday as Myanmar started reinforcing border troops after talks in Myanmar over disputed waters in the Bay of Bengal failed.
This also prompted Bangladesh Rifles (BDR) to be on alert at strategic points in Bandarban and Cox's Bazar districts.
According to sources in BDR, the paramilitary forces have been put on alert in Rezu, Chakdhala, Asadtali, Fultali, Lebuchhari, Dhumdhum, Amtali, Tamru and Ukhia borders in the two districts.
Bangladesh Navy intelligence gathered information Thursday that Myanmar had begun mobilising ground troops near the Naf river but the mobilisation was not visible. Then the Navy alerted the BDR.
BDR sources yesterday said since Myanmar continued reinforcing troops along its border with Bangladesh, Bangladesh has also taken appropriate steps as a precautionary measure.
Local sources said BDR also alerted people living in the border areas apprehending untoward incidents. A number of schools in the areas were vacated and BDR troops took position there.
The dispute emerged after Myanmar started oil and gas exploration last week in a stretch of sea claimed by Bangladesh. Bangladesh deployed naval ships to the area and simultaneously sent a diplomatic team to Myanmar seeking to resolve the issue through negotiations.
Officials claimed that the meeting ended without any resolution but Bangladesh notified Myanmar authorities its claim on the territory. Bangladesh was in good terms with the Myanmar authorities until this dispute emerged.
In 1991, Myanmar had driven more than 250,000 Rohingyas into Bangladesh creating a war-like situation between the two countries. Bangladesh gave shelter to the Rohingyas and through diplomatic moves made Myanmar agree to take them back.
But repatriation of them remains slow and Bangladesh still has several thousand refugees on its soil.
Our Bandarban correspondent quoting Naikkhangchhari UNO Nowab Aslam Habib reports: Tension built up as Myanmar forces mobilised along the border. No untoward incident in Naikkhangchhari was reported, he said.
A defence source said BDR is unable to keep a close watch on 173km-long remote and hilly border area. BDR has only five watchtowers in that long stretch of border. Following the 1991 incident with Myanmar, BDR recommended increasing the number of towers there but there was no follow up.
Locals alleged that the Nasaka, border force of Myanmar, shot four Bangladeshis dead near the border last Sunday. Agitated people on Friday captured two Myanmar citizens, Mohammad and Azizul Haq, at Rezu-Amtali border areas. They are now under BDR's custody.
To review the situation, an eight-member high-level BDR team led by Chittagong Sector Commander Colonel Akhtar visited Lembuchhari and Chakdhala border areas of Naikkhangchhari.
Meanwhile, sources said the situation in the Bay of Bengal remains unchanged. There was no exploration activities for the second day yesterday but the Myanmar ships remain anchored 55km southwest at 227 degrees from St Martin's Island.
The Myanmar ships started exploration activities on November 1 ignoring Bangladesh Navy warnings of trespassing on Bangladesh waters. The area is well within Bangladesh's territory and marked as deep-sea blocks 8-13. Bangladesh officially lodged protest before Myanmar ambassador last Sunday. Myanmar also protested before the Bangladeshi ambassador in Myanmar the same day.
Bangladesh later on requested North Korean government to ask Daewoo, which is conducting the exploration for Myanmar, to stop its activities in the Bay. Bangladesh also requested Myanmar's closest ally China to ask Myanmar to quit Bangladeshi waters till the maritime boundary is marked as per the UN guideline.
On Thursday, China suggested that Bangladesh and Myanmar settle their dispute through friendly negotiations, apparently stepping back from taking any measure.
"We hope the countries will settle it through equal and friendly negotiations and maintain a stable bilateral relationship. As their friend, China will contribute in an appropriate manner," said Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Qin Gang at a press conference, reports Xinhua.
India on the other hand is so paralyzed, that it cannot do anything. China is the primary country influencing Myanmar, so Myanmar would look up to Chinese leadership and not heed to what India has to say. So India siding with Myanmar in this dispute would be superfluous. India siding with Bangladesh would mean that the relationship that India had built up over the last decade, even playing second-fiddle to China on this, would come to naught. If India wants to play the role of a neutral mediator, guess what, India is not invited. Bangladesh did not come to India, but went straight to China, because Bangladesh knows, who pulls the strings on this. Should this dispute escalate, Western countries would throw their lot with Bangladesh to spite Myanmar, and Myanmar would go running even deeper into the Dragon's embrace, which means further strategic loss to India's interests. So whichever way you look at it, this is India's loss.
This stinks very strongly like something the Chinese have provoked. Myanmar is doing this at the behest of the Chinese, and the Bangladeshis are walking into the trap.
India would have to give this new turn of events some serious thought. This should also be something decisive. The most optimal outcome would be if those officers of the Myanmar junta, who are responsible for this event, are demoted or otherwise shunt out from decision-making, allowing other leaders to take up the mantle. Another course of action would be for India to completely rethink our strategy of appeasement of military junta in Myanmar, and forcing a people's revolution there with the help of the West. If Chinese influence is growing there by leaps and bounds, then India's current strategy is is bound for doom anyway.
This is turning very serious indeed. This is a very forceful entry of the Chinese into the South Asian Theater, otherwise India would be losing sway in all countries of South Asia, be it Pakistan, Nepal, Bangladesh, or Sri Lanka. The Chinese mean business, and India better learn to do things differently.
The Chinese may have decided to stoke this new conflict, so that when Obama is in the White House, the Myanmar-Bangladesh Conflict becomes the first crisis on his hands. He would have to turn to the Chinese to influence the Myanmarese to back off. With the side-effect, that the Chinese again prove to the USA, that they are the prime power in the whole of Asia, even in the South Asian region, and that Obama should not see India as a credible counter-weight as Bush used to see India.