Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 09 Dec 2013 02:38

hanumadu wrote:Lok Satta is a much more honest and transparent party than AAP, yet it does not get a fraction of the media coverage AAP gets.

Again I want to ask you what is the base of Lok Satta? For a moment let us ignore the impassioned speech of that the IAS babu president in support of PM Singh - not that PM is bad but Lok Satta man may very well turn out to be another Cong(I) B team under right circumstances.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 09 Dec 2013 02:41

Atri: The InternetHindus and some BRFites readily would have taken a Delhi loss and a CGH win. Glad that Delhi is not a total loss, in fact Modi salvaged it. Time to identify 10 top notch clean candidates with charisma in every state, and assign them the task of quickly developing the state for BJP. The State BJP leaders should sit back and guide these people.

sudarshan · Post by **sudarshan** » 09 Dec 2013 02:48

What are the favorites in the Mizoram election? Seems all alternatives are equally bad there. Congress down would be welcome, but that would mean handing the state to an even more rabidly xtian party.

I have no clue of Mizoram politics. Going by what I heard RajeshA sir say a few pages back in this thread.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 09 Dec 2013 02:55

Spoke to several people outside Delhi. Every one is considering BJP win huge. No one buys PAIDMEDIA story of AAP and Kujliwal next messiah. Happens only in drawing rooms of PAIDMEDIA and lefty bums in Delhi.

But percolate this message. Let them all know how Kujliwal is no different than CONGis when it comes to appeasing PAKIS, ISLAMIC TERRORISTS, MULLAHS and subsidy RAJ

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 09 Dec 2013 02:58

Acceptance IMO that AAP is the new INC for INC types. Crudely put, but yes, victory in loss etc. for them

https://twitter.com/albatrossinfo
Kejriwal is the new pleasure quotient of India's secular-lefties denied of orgasm lately and AAPs performance in Dilli today is the manhood

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 09 Dec 2013 02:59

SwamyG wrote:Atri: The InternetHindus and some BRFites readily would have taken a Delhi loss and a CGH win. Glad that Delhi is not a total loss, in fact Modi salvaged it. Time to identify 10 top notch clean candidates with charisma in every state, and assign them the task of quickly developing the state for BJP. The State BJP leaders should sit back and guide these people.

But delhi and CG are victories.

Without the corrective measures looking at current mandate, AAP would have scored 45-50 seats, if Dr. HV were not made CM candidate. HV gave many new members tickets. He had to give tickets to about 25 "big guys" and most of them lost.

CGH is a dramatic win and major slap in the face of Phoren EJ-commie backers of CongI and maoists. People do not recognize this - but CG was really really screwed up under Jogi's rule. Raman Singh is doing great job, which is thankless. His greatest supporter was mahendra karma of congress. The same EJ-leftist-liberal brigade outlawed Salwa Judum in 2011. the same lot killed off VC Shukla, Patel and most importantly karma in may 2013.

Given this situation, Raman Singh has performed brilliantly, I must say.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 09 Dec 2013 03:04

Sonia Gandhi’s strategy brings grief to Congress

Radhika Ramaseshan, writing in The Telegraph on the November 25, in a report titled “Few takers for Gehlot’s freebies pointed out how the voters in Rajasthan were looking beyond Sonianomics and how high their aspirations and expectations were beyond the least common denominator in Rahul Gandhi’s speeches. Sample some of the comments from Rajathan voters in this report by Radhika Ramaseshan:

“How will a fake certificate help our children except to de-motivate them from studying harder and genuinely earning good marks? This scheme is meant only to foster laziness.”

“It has the makings of a scam. The top health bureaucrats have seen to it that cheap drugs made locally are procured and supplied at prices sold by multi-nationals. A tablet costing Rs 2 is purchased under the table at Rs 55 and the money is siphoned off. So you have patients complaining that they were given ineffective medicines, often past the expiry date.”

“I was running fever for several days but the free medicines didn’t work. Finally I went to a private practitioner, bought the tablets at market price and cured myself.”

Already because of MGNREGA, there is little or no agricultural labour available, our farms may go waste. Those like me who come from a peasant background have got out the habit of working on farms. Our progeny will forget what it is to labour hard, earn money and then spend it on what they choose to if they are handed food, medicines etc free of cost.”

Pound Pound Pound this message on Twitter, Facebook, friends.

Tell people if SONIA is the Queen of Subsidies, AK is the Super King of freebies. It is not the nation wants, they want Vikaas,Jobs and Law&Order

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 09 Dec 2013 03:10

I am amazed the poor Indian electorate is saying such smart things as above. This is amazing maturity and is great news. People want to progress, not just live on sops. Politicians better keep this is mind.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 09 Dec 2013 03:15

matrimc wrote:
disha wrote: What will happen if one puts RaGa and Tejpal in the same cell! Imagine the next generation of dynasty? What kind of english they will speak and what kind of intelligence they will show!!
On what charge would one put Rahul Gandhi in a cell? Losing Cong(I) the elections?

Lack of consistency in facial grooming?

It'd be a close shave though.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 09 Dec 2013 03:16

Pardon my ignorance, are there any more state polls before the GE?

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 09 Dec 2013 03:22

KJoishy wrote:I am amazed the poor Indian electorate is saying such smart things as above. This is amazing maturity and is great news. People want to progress, not just live on sops. Politicians better keep this is mind.

This is a true change and such a feeling is the real mandate of Rajasthan.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 09 Dec 2013 03:23

nachiket wrote:Watching, NDTV gives the feeling that Pranoy Roy and co. are really scared of what's going to happen in the LS elections. He keeps repeatedly trying to ask every Congress member who comes on whether they have realised the full import of these elections even going so far as to say he is "really worried" that the Congress doesn't realise that these results are part of a national wave against them. He isn't even trying to keep NDTV's alignment with the congress hidden anymore. Much fun onlee to see him despair like this.

His words to Shukla was started with the following "my worry is that you are...". Why is Congress learning or not learning his worry? He has every right to support any party of his choice, but his desperation was enjoyable. I wish his audience realize he is as biased as anybody else - which is not wrong but will enable audience to take his opinion with a pinch of salt.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 09 Dec 2013 03:30

Talk to the hand - Finally, what does one do with Manmohan Singh and his increasingly sorry government? … Till Sunday morning, the UPA was a lame duck. Now it’s a dead duck.

So scalding is this anger that it has led to a colossal defeat for the Congress in Delhi and the personal loss of a hitherto well-regarded chief minister, Sheila Dikshit, to a rookie opponent. Clearly, this has not been any ordinary round of state elections. Hostility to the national Congress has somehow percolated down to the state level. This doesn’t happen too often. For the Congress, Black Sunday portends what is to come in May 2014.

The Congress is declining but who is rising? That question has gained importance after the superlative showing of the Aam Aadmi Party in Delhi. Many, including this writer, were absolutely astonished by the over two dozen seats AAP picked up. If the BJP had not selected Harsh Vardhan as its chief ministerial candidate and gone ahead with projecting a less wholesome option, it is possible the AAP may even have won a majority in Delhi or at least finished as the single-largest party.

To some extent, the BJP would have reason to be optimistic. After all, the type of Delhi voter who put his or her support behind the AAP and Arvind Kejriwal is also the type of voter whom Mr Modi is courting and seeking to aggressively identify with — young and restless, somewhat underprivileged or belonging to the aspiring middle classes, feeling let down by the cynicism and social hierarchies that define the Congress. It is perfectly possible that many AAP voters in Delhi — and Kejriwal sympathisers in other cities — could vote for Mr Modi in May 2014.

If the Delhi verdict and the drubbing the Congress has suffered offer hope for the BJP, it also delivers a warning. An undercooked campaign, lack of due diligence in candidate selection and in addressing negative perceptions about even senior functionaries and the absence of new ideas and triggers with which to inspire impatient voters are going to hold back the potential of even as promising a prime ministerial candidate as Mr Modi.

Finally, what does one do with Manmohan Singh and his increasingly sorry government? After the state election results, the ongoing parliamentary session is as good as over. Anybody who believes serious legislative business is possible is living in fantasy land. Till Sunday morning, the UPA was a lame duck. Now it’s a dead duck.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 09 Dec 2013 03:36

I am back (and hopefully wont be shaheedized by bredators

). I am glad that the reverse jinx for CHG by folks here worked its wonders. Thank you all for that

. I hope that the maoists and the structure that causes them are terminated with full force, by Dr. Raman Singh's govt. He should fill all the "social needs gap" that the mao-ists and their sponsors fill up (usually with added hatred).

I think AAP should be allowed to self-destruct by the next election timeframe (I believe their idealism will be the cause of their demise). Modi-ji is a much shrewder politician than Khujliwala and I am sure there are strategies being worked out on how to make AAPs sel-destruct.

V_Raman · Post by **V_Raman** » 09 Dec 2013 03:59

My take -- BJP holding its vote in Delhi huge. Holding CG is huge.

They should form govt in Delhi and run it till LS elections. Show good governance and continue with Delhi strategy in other weak states.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 09 Dec 2013 04:06

if aap wants to play constructive politics, they will announce they will support largest party governance model.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 09 Dec 2013 04:25

Can we map where AAP won? And what does that mean?
Also what was the margin where BJP won?
Looks like in the 4 states it truly was a two party contest.

In one post I had said after the Looters Dilli needs some Lefties to rule them!

Kati · Post by **Kati** » 09 Dec 2013 04:28

Supratik wrote:I think the BJP did well in Delhi given the comatose state of Delhi BJP and central BJP. Kudos to Harshvardhan. I am in agreement with the view that BJP should sit out. It is unlikely that AAP and INC will form Govt. as it will be a big boo-boo for AK. Wait for 6 mths and let Delhi elections coincide with national elections. The issue in this election was AAP. Then the election will be about Modi and the result may be more conducive.

How about bop forms a minority gov, and uses the next six months to provide good governance and strengthens its base? Isn't it a good strategy? But it is a slippery slope. A single scandal can make AAP even stronger.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 09 Dec 2013 04:29

V_Raman wrote:My take -- BJP holding its vote in Delhi huge. Holding CG is huge.

They should form govt in Delhi and run it till LS elections. Show good governance and continue with Delhi strategy in other weak states.

It will be pathetic from BJP side if they don't form being largest party. Despite huge anti-Congress wave, they couldn't capitalize on getting majority. This indicates how wretched BJP in and around Delhi areas. Time to clean up Sushma, etc loser and impeding leaders from there. Modi should push action-oriented as elections are close in a few months.

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 09 Dec 2013 04:30

meri thos ga*** pha* gayi on seeing CG go congies way. The last thing that we wanted after losing AP to EJs was losing CG to them. I dont think Raman Singh has done anything to reverse the EJing trend in CG but atleast hasnt let it go unabated or provided state support(like in the case of AP)

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 09 Dec 2013 04:34

ramana wrote:Can we map where AAP won? And what does that mean?

This may be interesting

Muslims gave Cong face-savers, some with AAP

The AAP was useful in splitting some Muslim votes away from the Congress. The young Muslim voters seem to be veering towards AAP while the older ones are still staunch Congress supporters. But without the wins in Muslim majority constituencies, the Congress would have been down to just 3 seats.

BTW, here's the map

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 09 Dec 2013 04:37

ramana wrote:Can we map where AAP won? And what does that mean?
Also what was the margin where BJP won?
Looks like in the 4 states it truly was a two party contest.

In one post I had said after the Looters Dilli needs some Lefties to rule them!

Here is the map of the constituencies, Ramana-ji. You can see that the AAP has mostly swept in the inner city. I will toss together my awk script to see what the current votes mean for the coming elections in 2014.

http://www.ndtv.com/elections/constituencies/delhi

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 09 Dec 2013 04:38

suryag wrote:meri thos ga*** pha* gayi on seeing CG go congies way. The last thing that we wanted after losing AP to EJs was losing CG to them. I dont think Raman Singh has done anything to reverse the EJing trend in CG but atleast hasnt let it go unabated or provided state support(like in the case of AP)

Need to hold BJP to that commitment. This trend needs to be reversed

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 09 Dec 2013 04:40

suryag wrote:meri thos ga*** pha* gayi on seeing CG go congies way. The last thing that we wanted after losing AP to EJs was losing CG to them. I dont think Raman Singh has done anything to reverse the EJing trend in CG but atleast hasnt let it go unabated or provided state support(like in the case of AP)

Providing operational freedom for activities like Ekal Vidyalaya, Vanvasi Kalyan Ashram, and keeping Naxals in check is all that is needed. Now, if Shri Raman Singh Babaji can manage to take back government control of the illegal mining activity, that would be the real clincher.

Would it be a right inference to say that it is actually the semi-urban and rural voter that has voted strongly due to Modi campaign? One cannot get clean sweep in a place like Rajasthan just based on a semi-decent performance of Gehlotji. NI seems to be undergoing a Modi wave, MSY NK must be following the trends closely. The more desperate the situation, more is the strength of Modi wave.

By this account, we can expect good performance by BJP is Jharkhand, J&K, Vidarbha, Marathwada, UP, Raj.

member_23365 · Post by **member_23365** » 09 Dec 2013 04:41

One pooch, as it has been reported that AAP is not registered party, so will anti- defection law apply to AAP MLA ???

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 09 Dec 2013 04:43

So the core area went AAP and the periphery which represents the neighboring states went BJP and in area looks larger.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 09 Dec 2013 04:44

atamjeetsingh wrote:One pooch, as it has been reported that AAP is not registered party, so will anti- defection law apply to AAP MLA ???

Now that they have acquired the status needed to be recognised as a state party, they can indeed become registered as a state party with the EC. The process takes some time. Until then, they are open to defections, I think, without any repercussions for the defectors.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 09 Dec 2013 04:50

ramana wrote:Can we map where AAP won? And what does that mean?
Also what was the margin where BJP won?
Looks like in the 4 states it truly was a two party contest.

In one post I had said after the Looters Dilli needs some Lefties to rule them!

In a two party contest they win mostly as issues take over other things. Congress wins only if there are three or more and hence they are willing to spend motherloads of money to create PRPs and AAPs.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 09 Dec 2013 04:55

Expect Priyanka to join AAP. Her name is being thrown around everywhere.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 09 Dec 2013 04:58

ShyamSP wrote:
V_Raman wrote:My take -- BJP holding its vote in Delhi huge. Holding CG is huge.

They should form govt in Delhi and run it till LS elections. Show good governance and continue with Delhi strategy in other weak states.
It will be pathetic from BJP side if they don't form being largest party. Despite huge anti-Congress wave, they couldn't capitalize on getting majority. This indicates how wretched BJP in and around Delhi areas. Time to clean up Sushma, etc loser and impeding leaders from there. Modi should push action-oriented as elections are close in a few months.

wow...ShyamSP back with his usual swashbuckling strokes of verbal outpourings. I was wondering who would bring in the D4 or some CT about internal sabotage in BJP. What did Sushma do that hindered BJP from getting a majority in Delhi?

you really need to get a perspective.

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 09 Dec 2013 04:59

Behenji has a footprint everywhere, am impressed

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 09 Dec 2013 05:13

So the BJP rebel moron wants Modi to call him and offer deputy CM post. He should be kicked further out. What audacity with one seat. What power hungry. BJP should stay from these idiots.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 09 Dec 2013 05:17

These 4 state victories are significant for Modi as PM because he will have few more of his own party's RS members. Legislations will become easier.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 09 Dec 2013 05:37

if aap means aa improvement, I like it. it remains to be seen if they can do something for the removal of corruption.. having got sizable votes, it is time they list out strategies, and engages bjp challenging them how they would make it different? etc.. by doing so, bjp can efficiently work towards planning and administrations, while verification and validation of processes left to aap. they can be nice opposition to begin with. the side-effect, is throwing away dynasty.

i'm seeing this as a fantastic oppty for both bjp and aap.. both should sit on the table, and agree to function for governance, and aap proves to the dilli world, what they mean by constructive politics, and how they saved dilli from corruption, saved reelection costs, save x amount, and improved infrastructure, poverty, etc.. it only takes 6 months to get the ball rolling and start seeing results..

heck, 6 months, and billion people move, is enough to reach the moon. the big q: does aap has the maturity to call bjp for high tea on this?

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 09 Dec 2013 05:42

RoyG wrote:Expect Priyanka to join AAP. Her name is being thrown around everywhere.

Why would she join AAP?

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 09 Dec 2013 06:04

to convert all vadra account balances to white?

before modi bans all firang deposits, and sends s-swamy ji, to shut down a/cs at swiss banks.

LakshO · Post by **LakshO** » 09 Dec 2013 06:09

Muppalla wrote:These 4 state victories are significant for Modi as PM because he will have few more of his own party's RS members. Legislations will become easier.

After Modi & BJP win GE-2014, they must get the Gujarat Control of Organised Crime Act approved; this is currently waiting for presidential approval. If MH & KA can have it, why not GJ?

Cheap pseudo-secular politics by CongI.

While at it, BJP must enact TADA/POTA so that the law has enough tools to deal with terrorist thugs

KLP Dubey · Post by **KLP Dubey** » 09 Dec 2013 06:21

Jarita wrote:
suryag wrote:meri thos ga*** pha* gayi on seeing CG go congies way. The last thing that we wanted after losing AP to EJs was losing CG to them. I dont think Raman Singh has done anything to reverse the EJing trend in CG but atleast hasnt let it go unabated or provided state support(like in the case of AP)

Need to hold BJP to that commitment. This trend needs to be reversed

The Kshatriyas of good quality are now firmly in the saddle in northwest and central Bharat. What we need is a dharmic government in Dilli that not only allows but also goads them to exercise their dharma and beat back the onslaught of the dark non-dharmic forces from outside.

Dharmasya glanir bhavati. The current "dilli sultanate" is of illegitimate and foreign origin. The "shehzada" is the progeny of an Italian house cleaner/waitress of uncertain parentage, and an Indian who is himself of illegitimate origin. Their main interest is to insert anti-national forces in all corners of Bharat to loot the Indians and leave them with nothing but the bible in their hands. Ajit Jogi in a recent interview folded his hands high in the air and declared "I do not work for anyone except Mrs. Sonia Gandhi". Clearly neither the people of Bharat nor of the great state of Chhattisgarh are on his mind. I am delighted that this abominable individual has been thwarted yet again.

KL

subhamoy.das · Post by **subhamoy.das** » 09 Dec 2013 06:22

Hats off to NAMO and state leadership for 4-0 win and 65/70 win in the matching LS seats if LS polls were to be hold now. Some paid media and con-gress was busy diverting attention to this not being a NAMO wave. How pathetic. They continue to not see the writing on the wall. None of the congress leaders, except Rajiv Shukla, looked grim faced. SOG and RAG were actually smiling before the brief press conference. Rest were busy downplaying the route as "just another election loss".

The biggest message coming out is that voters donot want appeasement ( free doles etc ) but empowerment ( sadak, bijli, pani, sikhsa, roji ). That is very good and goes against the core idelology of appeasement by congress. Good move by BJP to sit out in Delhi even though they are largest party. If another election is held, it will be a two way contest and expect BJP to get further benefit. Another theory is that Baba Ramdev may come in and set a common minimum programme and let APP and BJP form a admin.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 09 Dec 2013 06:54

Muppalla wrote:
The Congress is declining but who is rising? That question has gained importance after the superlative showing of the Aam Aadmi Party in Delhi. Many, including this writer, were absolutely astonished by the over two dozen seats AAP picked up. If the BJP had not selected Harsh Vardhan as its chief ministerial candidate and gone ahead with projecting a less wholesome option, it is possible the AAP may even have won a majority in Delhi or at least finished as the single-largest party.

(Not against Muppalla - but against the person who wrote the article) - looks like that man/woman is in la la land. What are a couple of dozen MLA seats in a overgrown municipality (hat tip to Atri for that moniker for Dhilli) compared to half of the 500+ MP seats that are required to take India? Are these English Media journos so far removed from ground realities of India that they make such simple mistakes where as somebody like me who had been disconnected from India for almost 30 years can figure out that they are talking from their behind without a blink.