hgupta wrote: ↑04 Jan 2024 14:39
Chetak
that’s why we badly needed to go warp speed on indigenous development of the Kaveri engine by massively funding the R&D base and develop all the necessary testing facilities and academic research facilities to sustain this engine R&D. I strongly feel that our engineers with sufficient funding could have developed a working engine by now if they were given the resources they asked for ten or even 5 years ago.
hgupta ji,
This discussion has already taken place previously, and that too in great detail. I will not rehash it again.
I do not agree with your logic or even the assumptions made under the premises mentioned.
In one way or another, all of the options have already been examined in detail and many of them, where feasible, have been tried out and it has gotten us nowhere, despite expending great treasure on a project that a country like India, with so many contending requirements, can ill afford, but had still pressed on with great hope, until it became very clear that the project, despite repeated assurances given over the decades, of its eventual success was going nowhere beyond a point and in its present state, it is unusable for the objectives that were defined for the completion of the project. Every sane option has been examined and a great many of the more feasible ones were tried out but to no avail. What you are asking for has a 7 -10 year time frame, just to get out of the starting blocks...
But this much I will say: currently, we simply do not have the vertically specialized and quality human resources to do this, not in any lab, not in any company, and not in any university, or even research institution, period. Anyone can say what they want, but, intellectually speaking, we need to first fire on all cylinders. Without developing this primary and vital domain specific resource, we are simply groping in the dark, and like any bad workman, we invariably end up blaming the tools....
no one, either in the user domain, or in the resource funding domain, has the faith or trust to fund and support such an open ended undertaking without some measure of tangible success that is visible to the powers that be, like the proverbial light at the end of the tunnel.
If our engineers could have done so, they would have already done it and we would certainly not be seeking transfer of IP from the goras, but our own engineers were not able to do it all on their own, so the transfer and utilization of the jet engine IP appeared to be a much better option and therefore a more decisive path to take.
A great majority of
guys persons on the forum are engineers. Many have taken different entrance exams and ended up in different places. After passing one specific entrance exam, the result is an offer letter that has the word "scientist" in the job designation, followed by an alphabet differentiator like "b" or "c", do you really think that a scientist is miraculously born that very instant or they emerge like a phoenix, after a mundane "training" course.... and are these the persons who are going to build a jet engine for you....or build them faster if you throw more money at them.... or work better, if they were given engine test bed(s) or whatever, flying or non flying....pray tell, ये कोनसा खेत का मूली है..... and, truth to tell, we have not found such technology compatible human resources in over three decades or more, of engine development work done in India's govt sector.
For the peanuts that they are paid..... and you get what you paid for...... which are privileged govt employees, with safe, secure and un-sackable jobs and only retirement, after a number of "extensions", will do them apart, they all have what the cheen call "iron rice bowls" meaning assured working lifetime jobs with index linked pensions... and the only time that govt employees actually know where they are going is after a heavy dose of castor oil.
so don't blame the Govt for something that they have not done. This govt has done a lot to address the problem but realpolitik and geopolitics seems to have got in their way. The chimera of the jet engine tech IP transfer is just one of the many levers that the amrikis are using on the GoI to force them into accepting a vassal state status. The EMALS offer was another such lever...
So, the current GOI (the first and only govt so far, to actually appreciate the real problem and move towards finding a practical solution), as a measure of last resort, agreed to buy the IP and pay the huge bill but the offers seem to be a mere mirage that evaporated when the sun rose. The goras all made nice noises, right noises, but never actually intended to sell and transfer the IP. I am very sure that many gora testimonials were squeezed hard by the amrikis to cartelize this issue and force India to deal with the said cartel only.
It is in the combined geopolitical, geo strategic, and geo economic interest of the western MICs in general and the amriki MICs in particular, to keep this technology from us. The cheenis will also step in at some point and pressurize the goras to ensure that such sensitive tech is not transferred to India. These MICs are invariably a powerful extension of the will of their own governments and very often do covertly dictate national policies pertaining to foreign relations, regime changes and foment violent insurrections in what is perceived as "troublesome" foreign lands
as a matter of abundant caution, we may even lack the full fledged capability to professionally evaluate, technically dissect, and financially corelate a technical proposal of a complete jet engine IP transfer for completeness, viability for development of different variants, and forecast future growth potential of the engine in terms of scaling up the power outputs to meet projected power requirements of upcoming and new platforms in the pipeline.
and to end it all, they may well force you, patent wise, to build an engine factory that is limited to just one single type of engine, without giving you the leeway to develop variants or build other types of aero engines.....
The skittish private sector has stayed very very clear of the engine issue, except recently one private company has invested and bought out a gora artillery factory. Maybe, if we are blessed, one of them will buy out an engine factory someday soon
The Kalyani group chairman Baba Kalyani, on 18 October, said that the group is in process to set up world's largest artillery manufacturing facility in India. While addressing the DefExpo 2022 at Gandhinagar, Kalyani said that in three years' time, the group will start producing one gun per day.
With this govt, strong feelings simply do not cut the mustard, only assured domain capability and the reasonable certainty of results do.
