Intelligence & National Security Discussion

Nikhil T · Post by **Nikhil T** » 11 Mar 2009 09:09

^^ how do you explain that ?

sum · Post by **sum** » 11 Mar 2009 09:13

Recently, a Hurri-rat "leader" was also allowed to escape the country and the local police were advised not to do anything by a "central agency".

So, similar things keep happening. We never know the real deal till more info is leaked out.

Even the Nawaz guy who was brought back from Oman might have been allowed to stay there for so long since the agencies were tracking him and would have got leads on to other members of the org in the ME and hence, they didn't reel him in earlier.

It *might* be the similar case here (or it could be a genuine bungle also). Too early to make a judgment, IMO..

sum · Post by **sum** » 11 Mar 2009 09:33

Link

Soon after I.K. Gujral took over as prime minister in April 1997, he called select senior leaders of the Research & Analysis Wing (RAW) to his office. Preparing a new neighbourhood doctrine, he was clear that RAW must wind up its covert capabilities in Pakistan. In implementing the new prime minister’s diktat, years of intelligence work was undone.

So when Pakistan alleged a RAW hand in the Lahore attack, there was disbelief. RAW simply doesn’t have the capability to carry out such an attack in Pakistan—or Afghanistan, for that matter.

In fact, after Mumbai 26/11, Indian intelligence had looked at covert options.

The present government, too, does not want our spies to machinate violent ops abroad.

Outlook has learnt from reliable sources that national security advisor M.K. Narayanan shot down all such proposals. "We were told India is a democracy and we wouldn’t be indulging in such acts," a retired senior intelligence official said.

RAW now neither has the tactical base nor the approval to conduct operations in Pakistan. "Pakistan can depend on disgruntled youth in India or Pakistan for such attacks. We have no one like that," another intelligence official said. So sleuths have in fact been seeking approval for developing capabilities for direct covert action, especially since the 2006 train blasts in Mumbai.

But the strongest argument against the alleged "Indian hand", a senior security official says, is that, "after 26/11, would we be so stupid to send across men with weapons"? The blame game continues, but chances are that Pakistan will be doing a quick rethink as the investigations progress.

Does anyone have access to the full article?

Heaven help us if the bolded part is true!!!!

ChandraS · Post by **ChandraS** » 11 Mar 2009 09:40

NikhilT, something for you to chew over - The guy left the country with his genuine passport a week after the encounter at Batla House and the news of it is 'released' only now. Also when you are on it read up double, triple and barium meal, etc. related to this line of work.

ChandraS · Post by **ChandraS** » 11 Mar 2009 09:53

^^Sum, why are you surprised and shocked about it? Didn't you hear PC say that we will give 'mooh-tod jawaab' when the 'next' attack happens. What more do you want us to do? We are a democracy and peace loving country onlee. If we are hit on one cheek, we should turn and offer our other cheek too or that an eye for an eye turns everyone blind, isn't this what the Mahatma's teachings all about per the jholawalas. How dare you want us to stray from that path

\sarc off. My deepest and sincere apologies for dragging Mahatma Gandhi into this, but these buggers have no idea of the context and intent of his words.

sum · Post by **sum** » 11 Mar 2009 10:51

I had expected some b@lls to grow after 26/11....

Ah well, as the saying goes: if wishes were.........

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 11 Mar 2009 21:20

Sum, how long have you been on the board?

sum · Post by **sum** » 11 Mar 2009 21:23

Ramana garu,
Im assuming that the question is because of my even daring to imagine our insecurity adviser would take some positive steps?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 11 Mar 2009 22:43

Tuaba, Tuaba. Its to find out if you are familair with a former poster (anamik) He said every emphatically the image of India as a soft state was delibrately cultivated by successive govts as it has a very high value. But that does not mean GOI wont do all it can within this image.

Tuan · Post by **Tuan** » 12 Mar 2009 03:24

The era of the private intelligence agencies

Private intelligence services are non-state actors involved in the sector of Intelligence and are primarily collecting and analyzing information by outsourcing public funding and by providing assistance to large multinationals.

In recent years, and after the terrorist attacks of 9/11 in the U.S, individuals have gained wide access to government services as subcontractors and partners and now operate a very important part of the funds available for the «War against terrorism». In quite a few cases the same companies and agencies are recruiting mercenaries and generally provide a trend towards the formation ultra-companies that undertake public roles globally in the crucial field of security and information.

Currently a large number of companies offer intelligence services and some of them have acquired considerable influence. The most important amongst these are:

ASI Group, Control Risk Group, Global Strategies Group, Global Source, iJET, International Regional Security Agency, Jane's Information Group, NC4, Olive Group, Secure Solutions International SIASS - Specialist Intelligence and Security Services, Kroll, Stratfor Tangiers International, The Steele Foundation , TranSecur, World-Check, SITE, Hacklyut, and others.

Most these organizations are based in the U.S., Britain and Australia and are staffed by knowledgeable employees of the intelligence apparatus who retire seeking work in the private sector which in general provides high fees. Due to the strong turnover growth in recent years, there has been large-scale recruitment of individuals that possess enviable skills as well as other collaborators from all walks of life and professions.

According to Brian Ruttenbur a security analyst for the U.S. Homeland Security, in 2008 the turnover of services in the private sector may have exceeded 50 billion U.S. Dollars, which means that this industry has a considerable impact in the American market.

It is estimated that 70% of the budget for U.S. intelligence agencies is provided via subcontracts to private corporations.

It should be noted that in recent years the private institutions are outsourcing key areas such as recruitment and training of the personnel. Generally it can be assumed that the dividing lines between the state and the business world have blurred to a great extent over the past few years. Clearly the 9/11 attacks have revolutionized the manner by which intelligence operations are being conducted since.

In the U.S. 35% of the operations of DIA (Defense Intelligence Agency) and 95% of the NRO (National Reconnaissance Office) are undertaken by private employees who handle highly confidential projects and gain a full picture of the structure of the American state, but also of the whole world because of the American primal position within the global political system.

Over the last 5 years, 2,435 former senior U.S. military personnel have been recruited in 52 different private security and intelligence companies and 422 of those occupied roles identical to those when in active duty. There is clearly a trend towards the empowerment of the private sector which gains great insights of the way the state operates,as well as, a treasure trove of information in critical security sectors.

An issue of outmost concern for the U.S. authorities is the resignation of state officials with precious skills that join companies and undertake tasks having salaries 50 to 100% higher than those offered by the Army or the state agencies.

Because the above phenomena, important ethical issues surface and divisions between public officials and private individuals arise. According to many news reports, the American Administration over the past two years has gone into a nation-wide program of recruiting new staff especially for the CIA and FBI that will bear fruits within the next few years and might reduce the deficits being assessed currently.

It is certain that the search for talent in the intelligence sector will result in recruit campaigns where the state and the private sector will ferociously fight for the attainment of human skills and experience. The dilemma ultimately is the one that always stands out between the state and businesses: security & stability vs. flexibility & high earnings.

Nikhil T · Post by **Nikhil T** » 12 Mar 2009 07:12

ramana wrote:Tuaba, Tuaba. Its to find out if you are familair with a former poster (anamik) He said every emphatically the image of India as a soft state was delibrately cultivated by successive govts as it has a very high value. But that does not mean GOI wont do all it can within this image.

Ramana saar, can you explain the statement? even leaders who transition from govt to opposition berate the leaders of the day on the "soft" stand. Cultivating a soft state image spawns a hundred attacks on the nation - who would be willing to sacrifice lives to cultivate such an image? Plus can you post the credentials of the said poster? is he someone in the establishment?

sum · Post by **sum** » 12 Mar 2009 09:05

ramana wrote:Tuaba, Tuaba. Its to find out if you are familair with a former poster (anamik) He said every emphatically the image of India as a soft state was delibrately cultivated by successive govts as it has a very high value. But that does not mean GOI wont do all it can within this image.

Sir, does it mean that the "sources" of Outlook, India today etc are playing psy-ops with the joiurnalists to deliberately cultivate the "cuddly, no harm" image of Indian agencies?

munda · Post by **munda** » 12 Mar 2009 09:54

There have been numerous articles that Interpol complained of lack of Indian assistance for 26/11 investigation with even joint press conferences with Paki ministers. How true are these reports? Also, even if we are not assisting these people, what is wrong with that, after all Dawood has been in their database for eons and they did not do anything about this.

somnath · Post by **somnath** » 12 Mar 2009 10:25

^^^Interpol is a global police coordinating agency..It has no real authority to enforce any laws or prosecute any individual. It issues red corner notices on suspected individuals to all member countries from time to time, but its upto individual countries to take action how they deem fit..Basically its a sinecure for some police officers in various (developing) countries to earn some extra money!

All real extradition work is a result of covert and/or political actions taken by the countries individually/bilaterally. Interpol is widely seen to be a waste of time for crimes with a cross border and poltiical dimension, so most countries dont even bother..Its a bit like the UN itself, its useful as a talk shop, the real action is always elsewhere..India is taking the same route...It knows that the levers to influence Pakistan on 26/11 dont lie in Interpol, so its ignoring it!

sum · Post by **sum** » 12 Mar 2009 10:39

How true are these reports? Also, even if we are not assisting these people, what is wrong with that, after all Dawood has been in their database for eons and they did not do anything about this.

We didnt want to compromise our methods of intel gathering and letting the world know of the actual info we know...

Rishi · Post by **Rishi** » 12 Mar 2009 12:07

Has anyone here read about the Deep State hypothesis? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_state

For those who believe in its existence, the political agenda of the deep state involves an allegiance to nationalism, corporatism, and state interests. Violence and other means of pressure have historically been employed in a largely covert manner to manipulate political and economic elites and ensure specific interests are met within the seemingly democratic framework of the political landscape.

I was reading an article which says India too has a sort of Deep State policy. Ha, I guess even being on BR means that a lot of us here are Deep-Staters.

The article in question:

Unofficial Secrets Act: The Administration of Certainty and Ambiguity in Sarai Reader 2007. An interesting read, though slightly WKKish.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 12 Mar 2009 23:15

Rishi, That article you linked seems to be "leftist" propaganda. And its supported by NGOs in Amsterdam!

Soon there will be pdf that Kasab was deep cover RAW onlee.

One should read and mull over before posting.

Now dont call me Deep Statist.

Ananth · Post by **Ananth** » 12 Mar 2009 23:37

sum wrote:I had expected some b@lls to grow after 26/11....

Ah well, as the saying goes: if wishes were.........

Sum, if tomorrow Saikat Dutta were to say the following: "We have to force Madhuri Dixit to dance "without her choli" in front of Baitulla Massud, since we are a peaceful and democratic country". Would you believe it? Would you be become depressed by it?

If India has covert action capability, would you expect MKN to shout about it from rooftops? Absence of "public" action in dealing with TSP may mean either of the two things: a) indeed India is castrated as far as covert capabilities are concerned or b) they are indeed hitting the RAPE but not where the RAPE would have expected or the form in which they would have expected. Right now we have no evidence to say India does not have any covert action capability. And only our biases against GoI let us assume that GoI is castrated.
Well I don't have any proof either. However one should have listened to the retort of Brajesh Mishra to Harinder Baweja on NDTV who made the same point that Gujaral terminated covert capabilities and NDA government did not do anything. What evidence does one have to make such a statement? Now suppose we do have some sort of covert capability. If that is the case I really appreciate Mr. I.K. Gujaral and really thankful to him?

ChandraS · Post by **ChandraS** » 13 Mar 2009 07:52

No evidence of action != Evidence of no action

A lot of people (including moi) fall into the trap of thinking nothing is going on since we don't hear anything. But as I read Ananth's post, it struck me that there may be a reason for the perceived (god forbid if it's real) lack of action. Apart from the disclosing the various options we may have, it also opens up our government agencies to trial by media. What stops the media from painting a skewed picture of these actions to suit their paymasters. We are already witness to the stellar role of our assorted commies/p-secs/WKK in print and TV. The hints and nudges followed by sensational exposes resulting in mass frenzy is not something anyone desires. So there maybe a very valid reason for the effort to cultivate the image of 'soft state' as hinted by an erstwhile poster. JM2P onlee.

sum · Post by **sum** » 13 Mar 2009 09:28

Anath-saar, thanks for a re-assuring post. Hope that what you say is right.

However one should have listened to the retort of Brajesh Mishra to Harinder Baweja on NDTV who made the same point that Gujaral terminated covert capabilities and NDA government did not do anything. What evidence does one have to make such a statement?

Now that you quoted the NDTV show, i do remember Brajesh Mishra getting very angry when Baweja mentioned about covert ops being terminated. So, maybe what you are saying is right indeed.

Ardeshir · Post by **Ardeshir** » 13 Mar 2009 15:18

Army secret papers found in xerox shops

Thu, Mar 12 10:30 PM

An army intelligence unit seized a pile of top-secret documents from two shops here on Monday morning. The sixth detachment of the army's Central Command Liaison Unit has arrested two shop-owners and handed them over to Mhow police.

The police have registered cases against the two shop-owners, Vipul Jain and Ajay Sanghi under Section 3 of the Official Secrets Act. Mhow has three training institutions - the Infantry School, Army War College and the Military College of Telecommunications Engineering.

Major Vikram Sinho, in charge of the intelligence unit, got a tip-off that large-scale photocopying was being done at Vipul and Ajay's shops in Chhota Bazaar and Sanghi Street, respectively. He launched simultaneous raids on the shops and recovered more than 1,000 pr and #233;cis (books containing training methodology and war tactics) of the Infantry School, three CDs and six floppy discs.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 13 Mar 2009 21:18

Atleast MI is on the ball. Even better if they had sent fake material and got it distributed up the intel chain to see where the deamnd was.

Is the Indian doctrine changing that folks want to steal trg manuals?

sum · Post by **sum** » 15 Mar 2009 21:26

X-post:

Was just reading the print edition of "India Today".The salient points it mentioned regarding the "mutiny" were( sorry if posted earlier):

* South block has prepared a document on the events from 25-28th and it clearly implicates the ISI in it.
* Our agencies have scores of intercepts of the Paki attache in Dhaka talking to Dubai consulate and giving detailed inside info of going-ons within the BDR HQ, something most BD army men themselves were unaware of, meaning that the ISI had plants inside the HQ.
* BDR commanders were paid 50 lakh takas and soldiers 4-5 lakh taka to take part in the revolt.
*India feels it was done by Pak to ensure their assets within the BD establishment are not purged if the 71 war tribunal comes about.
* GoI warned Hasina about her safety by the 28th and ensured that she was taken to a safehouse guarded by trusted BDA soldiers/officers. This warning was based on further intercepts and fearing a 1975 like situation.
* GoI activated 2 teams of Para SF in a forward base in Tripura and one in Kolkata( this must be the 50th Para which media talked about) to get Hasina to India if situation deteriorated. However, this plan didn't go ahead when things improved dramatically after 28th.
*Tons of intercepts with India of JeI leaders in BD talking to known ISI assets in London, Dubai and other places, discussing the revolt and future plans after the revolt.

Good to see that we are really doing well in the TECHINT/COMMINT side of intel gathering.

However, could any guru clarify as to how is it possible to tap the phones of a embassy(like we seem to have tapped the Paki one)?
Doesnt it mean that someone actually plants a bug in the receiver inside the embassy or sits outside the place of origin of the call with a intercepting device?
Since we are tapping the embassy line in a external country, i am assuming that the latter option is ruled out( intercept vans roaming around the target embassy since this is possible only on home turf)?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 15 Mar 2009 21:38

sum wouldnt that be something others also want to know? Why need to know everything?

OK uncle gave them to India. OK?

sum · Post by **sum** » 15 Mar 2009 21:43

My doubt was only because if it is indeed a bug planted in the embassy, it would mean we also have HUMINT resources within BD and not 100% gadget dependent. It is indeed very good news if so(i.e, our agency isn't in the pits like media reports were/are indicating).

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 15 Mar 2009 21:46

In all probability, they were tracing calls to mobile phones/Thuraya phones. I doubt calls were made directly to embassy, every tom dick and harry knows they are being monitored not just by the west.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 15 Mar 2009 22:13

Even then why speculate sum? Is it not enough that India appears to have some scoop? Do we need to find out how and why?

Collegiate inquiry should be for collegiate matters.

Sontu · Post by **Sontu** » 15 Mar 2009 22:19

I would assume the pak embassy guys were talking over a secured sat com link which got intercepted (using satellite and air borne assets) and decrypted (with possibly Israeli and US help) by Indian and foreign agencies.

Also if those ISI assets were known ones..then as Shaymd said...those mobile and other wireless phones were monitored as well.

Considering deploying humint resources in hostile soils like Pak, BD and Afgan is very risky ,since even diplomats were picked up and beaten to bleed or almost killed by counter int agencies or ISI resources.

narmad · Post by **narmad** » 15 Mar 2009 23:06

Sontu

and decrypted (with possibly Israeli and US help)

Why did you have to say that ?

sum · Post by **sum** » 16 Mar 2009 09:23

ramana wrote:Even then why sepculate sum? Is it not enough that India appears to have some scoop? Do we need to find out how and why?

Collegiate inquiry should be for collegiate matters.

True...no more from me on this.

Hope that we keep carrying on such ops away from the media glare!!!

somnath · Post by **somnath** » 16 Mar 2009 10:26

good article from V Balachandran..Nothing earth shatteringly new, but good nevertheless..

http://www.covert.co.in/balachandran.htm

A lot people are probably not aware of thebackground of political intel in India...The British set up the Indian Political Intelligence unit, reporting to the India Office, broadly within the IB, mostly to monitor activities of Indian "feedom fighters"..It was a vast organsiation - the setup credit mostly going to a chap called Phillip Vickery - and had agents around the world..By all accounts, they were amazingly effective, with many moles and agents within all Indian organisations - "armed" as well as "non violent", and setups in places like Germany, Japan, London etc...In 1946, when the provisional Congress government took over many of the executive powers, with Sardar Patel as the Home Minister, the IPI was hurriedly wound up from the IB (which was part of Patel's remit) and amalgamated into the MI5 on the advice of Vickery..A lot fo the documents, info and agents therefore "migrated"...Soem of the documents have been declassified by MI5, but many of the more controversial ones are probably still not...Patrick French has written in detail about this in his book "Liberty or Death"..

The poltiical inclination of the Indian intel, especially IB has remained ingrained since...As a result, a lot of resources are dedicated to that - hope things change with the new capacity addtiions, they are needed more urgently in counter terror!

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 16 Mar 2009 10:31

Somnath, In google books the files of the Intel dept are listed in a book. and its interesting as to what the subject headings were. Yes they are Vickery's files.

somnath · Post by **somnath** » 16 Mar 2009 10:53

^^^ I wish someone does a real good study of the files and reproduces it as a book (something like the Mitrokhin archives) - will be goldmine of info, and far more credible...Patrick French had a number of other things to cover in his book....

As an aside, the IPI was the only authorised non-British intel agency with a global footprint in the Empire, and its network was truly enviable..Pity the Brits "took it away"...

Rishi · Post by **Rishi** » 17 Mar 2009 12:02

Heh. Was reading this mega account on the Tamil issue in Sri Lanka, when I chanced across this:

Indira Gandhi instructed the Cabinet Secretariat (Security), the Third Agency, to draw up the plan to train and arm Tamil militant groups and implement the plan. The Cabinet Secretariat (Security) was called the Third Agency because two other intelligence agencies were then functioning.

Indira Gandhi told the Third Agency to draw up a plan to put her covert track into operation. The Third Agency was not created to handle the Sri Lankan situation. It was created a few months before the July riots. It was formed in the beginning of 1983. Indira Gandhi created this new super intelligence agency to deal with the difficult situations that emerged in Indian states such as Punjab, Kashmir, Rajasthan, Andhra Pradesh, and Karnataka. When the Sri Lankan crisis erupted, the Third Agency was asked to handle it. The Agency was headed by Kao. Shankaran Nair, Director, Prime Minister’s Secretariat, and Girish Chandra Saxena, head of RAW, assisted Kao.

Never heard this term being used before - The Third Agency

It is from http://www.sangam.org/articles/view2/?uid=492

ASPuar · Post by **ASPuar** » 17 Mar 2009 14:14

Seems to me like this third agency needs to be taken with und pinch of whiskey, und pinch of masala dosa.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 19 Mar 2009 08:43

Tech upgrade, more staff: revamp roadmap soon

New Delhi: •Requests for purchase of sensitive equipment by the Intelligence Bureau and the Research and Analysis Wing have taken six to seven years to be cleared by which time equipment has become obsolete.

•In Bhuj, surveillance speed boats, maintained by the BSF, and meant to be used by the military and civilian security establishment are underutilized, without even a proper shed for their protection.

These are among the several deficiencies in the internal security and intelligence-gathering apparatus traced by members of the committee on revamping the intelligence mechanism.

The committee, headed by S D Pradhan, former Chairman of the Joint Intelligence Committee (JIC), was set up after the Delhi blasts in September. Last month, former IB Chief PC Halder and space scientist Roddam Narasimha joined as members of the task force and the group is expect to submit its report by next month.

Speaking to The Indian Express, National Security Advisor M K Narayanan, who has been monitoring the exercise, said that the idea was to take up the task of intelligence revamp from where the Kargil Committee had left it in 2000. “This will be an improvement on the post-Kargil exercise as the expert group will examine the entire gamut of issues relating to intelligence gathering and coordination,” he said.

Given that the UPA’s tenure is ending, the NSA said the plan was to have an early “in-house” examination of the proposals. “I expect many of the recommendations will be ready for immediate implementation.” Already, heads of intelligence agencies and police chiefs of several states have made presentations before the Pradhan Committee and this has been combined with several “field visits” to sensitive states.

Sources said the Pradhan Committee was likely to make the following as its key recommendations:

n A 10-15% increase in the strength of intelligence agencies, including IB and the RAW over a five-year period.

n Given the slow technology upgrade in these agencies, the Government could set up an Empowered Committee to examine and clear all purchases of sensitive equipment for the intelligence sector.

n Major hike in budgets of state police forces for counter-terrorism — at least 40% of allocations made for police modernization and intelligence upgrade.

n Technology upgrade to National Technical Research Organisation (NTRO) to feed other agencies with superior intelligence inputs.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 19 Mar 2009 18:57

It seems Intelligence Reforms is taking place in GRU

Russian military intelligence head to keep post, focus on reform

The head of Russia's military intelligence (GRU) is to retain his post for two more years and will focus on internal reform, an unidentified intelligence official said on Thursday. Media reports have claimed that Gen. Valentin Korabelnikov, 63, who has led GRU since May 1997, had recently tendered his resignation over objections to a proposed reform of the body.

"He has not tendered his resignation. His service has been extended for another two years until the maximum age limit," the official said.

He also dismissed reports that GRU would be subordinate to the Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) and said the reform would mainly deal with "streamlining the numerical strength of military intelligence units and raising the level of professionalism among intelligence officers."

The source added that space intelligence and signals intelligence would remain part of GRU's remit. "All measures under the reform will be aimed at increasing the effectiveness of work," the source said.

GRU is Russia's largest intelligence agency. It gathers human intelligence through military attaches and foreign agents. According to some sources, GRU has six times as many agents in foreign countries as the SVR, which is the KGB's foreign intelligence successor.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 21 Mar 2009 18:53

Hello all, I am writing an article for BR Monitor. I hope to talk about how to improve capabilities, urgent issues and problems that need to be solved.

Any suggestions on topics that could be researched and comments on what has been written so far would be very helpful.

Thanks.

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India’s Intelligence: Lessons from the past for the future

Much has been made about intelligence failures that have led to the numerous terrorist attacks across the country, which cost numerous lives of civilians as well as security personnel. India faces a tough challenge ahead with regards to security. On one hand, India aspires to be a global power but on the other hand it is faced with terrorist threats domestically, threat of the spread of Maoist rebellion and a deterioration of security situation within its neighbourhood.

Large dependence on TECHINT

India’s intelligence agencies rely increasingly on TECHINT (Technical Intelligence) rather than HUMINT (Human Intelligence). Of course, this means a reduced risk to people’s lives who are in the field. It would be wrong to say that this has not created its fair share of intelligence coups that have been seen, one example being the Kargil War tapes implicating General Pervez Musharraf. Being over reliant on TECHINT can lead to huge risks. Today’s terrorists have received training and knowledge directly from Pakistani military experts as was seen in the 26/11 attacks in Mumbai. Therefore, these terror organisations are increasingly aware of the risks of using Satellite phones and electronic communication. For example, the Mumbai terrorists were said to have used VoIP phones, which are a lot harder to intercept. Most advanced nations are still developing the necessary techniques to effectively monitor this type of communication.

Debka Net Weekly stated that the ISI were able to fool the Indian and US intelligence agencies by “spilling general information about their planned Mumbai attack over their satellite phones three months before it was launched… Then, six weeks ahead of the operation, they were to stop mentioning it in order to lull the Americans and Indians into assuming it had been cancelled.”

Many of India’s intelligence equipment are being supplied through foreign firms, this poses a huge risk in itself. One hopes that India places an emphasis on development of indigenous intelligence equipment as has been done in the defence sector.

So what does this mean? This means that India cannot just be reliant on TECHINT, a strong emphasis has to be made by India’s domestic agency Intelligence Bureau as well as its foreign intelligence agency the Research and Analysis Wing (R&AW) on HUMINT and indigenous development of intelligence equipment. This lesson not only applies to civilian intelligence agencies but also to the various Military Intelligence agencies.

By using TECHINT and HUMINT simultaneously, India can achieve a higher accuracy in identifying real threats and can also help achieve India’s strategic objectives.

kobe · Post by **kobe** » 22 Mar 2009 16:15

It's strange that BCCI agreed to move IPL to other countries
If India can not provide security to games in the country then it's big shame

Election or not, events should be secure.

Now forget about ever hosting the Olympics!

This is nothing but surrender to the pakistan terrorists.

If CAPITULATION is the first option then no need
to put NSG in various cities.

kittoo · Post by **kittoo** » 22 Mar 2009 16:42

kobe wrote:It's strange that BCCI agreed to move IPL to other countries
If India can not provide security to games in the country then it's big shame

Election or not, events should be secure.

Now forget about ever hosting the Olympics!

This is nothing but surrender to the pakistan terrorists.

If CAPITULATION is the first option then no need
to put NSG in various cities.

I agree completely. I was already surprised, and am sure many of you were too, that govt was not able to provide security to IPL saying elections and all. WTF? Does all Indian security go to sleep in elections? How are we supposed to protect our borders in elections than when we cant even protect IPL? How are we planning to protect Commonwealths? And how will we ever get a hosting of Olympics with this attitude? The govt should have said in one go that they will provide security elections or not. This would have been a fitting reply to the terrorists. What we have done is surrendering to them. Its a shame to country of a billion people.