Terror Attacks on Mumbai-II

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 28 Nov 2008 13:30

Johann, zardari sahib would be a stuffed turkey if he does that...we all know how less his authority extends. I am doubtful he even has nuclear weapon authority.

niran · Post by **niran** » 28 Nov 2008 13:31

People at Aajtak should be arrested and investigated for their apparent
Paki affinity. This channel should be banned.

Arun_S · Post by **Arun_S** » 28 Nov 2008 13:33

asprinzl wrote:
Victor wrote:Can't believe I'm seeing this in 2009 almost. Truly a third world country, ours is. Poor chaps.

The most primitive monkeys running the most ricketty rag-tag militia in the most descrepit part of Somalia are better armed than these poor souls. Shows the degree of neglect by the ruling elites upon the security services.
Avram

If India pays peanuts, can only get monkeys for the job.

Sorry to say, Indian political process and IAS only want to preserve their interest and not of India.

Not just the pay commission, use of security forces as personal body guards and coolies, and Defense Minister AK Anthony reprimanding IA should live less lavishly. Using ordinal eyes, one can see these 2 lavishly paid para-military jawans, may be Defense Minister has divine eyes glued to his head. Sorry I forgot to remember he wears secular/communist tainted glasses.

Well, one gets what one pays for, and what one deserves. I do not think India deserves any better. Insects will be trampled as insects. Pls dont shoot the messenger, soul searching will be more productive.

Raigad · Post by **Raigad** » 28 Nov 2008 13:34

aaj tak and NDTV .....should be banned and also barkha dutt and rajdeep sardeasi......they are behaving like headless chickens runing around

Anabhaya · Post by **Anabhaya** » 28 Nov 2008 13:34

Singha wrote:Johann, zardari sahib would be a stuffed turkey if he does that...we all know how less his authority extends. I am doubtful he even has nuclear weapon authority.

Pakistan Nuclear command Authority is fully under PA control. Recall the Pak. NSC was established by Mushy just after Nawaz was overthrown. There had been a tussle between the two on this issue, IIRC.

shynee · Post by **shynee** » 28 Nov 2008 13:37

NDTV Ticker - PM is going to talk to Pakistan. What the hell he is going to talk ?

milindc · Post by **milindc** » 28 Nov 2008 13:38

The Al Qeida involvement is being used to deflect attention from Munna. Ball-less wonder will proclaim that Pakis are also victims and as planned hand over Kashmir before he leaves office.
There was lot of chatter in last couple of months from pubes (Zardari stmt, etc) and from foreign media to resolve the Cashmere issue.
I tend to think that it is ISI op to stop the compromise in its track.

Rahul Shukla · Post by **Rahul Shukla** » 28 Nov 2008 13:39

Per NDTV, PM Manmohan Singh will talk to Zardari about the attacks soon.

I don't see the point because Zardari doesn't decide anything in Pakistan. Mr. 10 percenti probably needs written approval from GHQ-Pindi even to use the loo in the morning.

I speculate that hey're going to discuss the PR aspects of this attack. Another 'strong statement' is going to be requested from the Pak PM which will then be used to defer Indian retaliation to a future date.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 28 Nov 2008 13:40

Yes Johann,cooperate with the west who have protected and collaborated with the very terrorists and their masterminds of the Paki military and ISI all these years!You in the west used double standards where terrorism perpetrated by Pak was alright as long as it was not aimed at the west.

Look at this stupid Israeli criticism.Wait and collect intel before going in while hostages are being massacred!The immediate action by Indian anti-terror forces made the terrorists stop their massacre of hotel guests and turn to face the threat from our forces!

Where the Israelis on the spot?All the guests and hostages released said that the terrorists started shooting them ruthlessly immediately on sight.Corpses of dead diners litter the two hotels,staircases full of bodies.yet,despite all this,the hotel staff in both hotels remained cool and shepherded the guests to safety barricading rooms were they hid! Had the India anti-terror forces "waited",we would have far fewer survivors.Brave Indian anti-terror officers went into action immediately losing their lives in the process.That's the difference between Indians and westerners.Our armed forces aren't afraid to lose our lives in combating terror if neccessary.Let India do the job itself.We don't need to cooperate with nations that protect the terrorist countries like Pak,fund them,provide them with weapons,etc.being used against India,just because the west's dirty work has to be done at India's expense!

PS:We can see how well the west is wininng the war in Afghanistan with the "cooperation" of Pakistan!

PPS:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 249585.ece

Israel defence officials have criticised the way Indian security forces have handled the terror attacks in Bombay, after it appeared that India turned down their offer of help to defeat the militants.

The officials, from Israel's security forces, told The Jerusalem Post that the Indian troops prematurely stormed the besieged hotels where militants were holding hostages, risking lives in the process.

Indian counter-terrorist forces were well trained but failed to gather sufficient intelligence before engaging the terrorists, they said.

"In hostage situations, the first thing the forces are supposed to do is assemble at the scene and begin collecting intelligence," said a former official in Shin Bet, the Israel Security Agency

Commandos storm Bombay Jewish centre
India points the finger at Pakistan

24 hours that struck terror into Bombay's heart
"In this case, it appears that the forces showed up at the scene and immediately began exchanging fire with the terrorists instead of first taking control of the area," he said.

Ehud Barak, the Defence Minister, has expressed his concerns about the safety of Israelis caught up in the attack, such as those held hostage in the Jewish Centre stormed in the early hours of this morning.

Seventeen commandos abseiled onto the roof of Nariman House, while snipers peppered the building with covering fire. The two year old son of Rabbi Gavriel Noach Holtzberg, the main representative at the Jewish Centre, was rescued along with some other hostages but this morning gunshots and explosions still echoed around the building.

The security experts' criticism came as it emerged that Mr Barak had offered Mayankote Kelath Narayanan, India's National Security adviser, any assistance possible, either humanitarian or professional.

"Barak offered Israel's help in an advisory capacity and in any other way it could be of assistance, be it humanitarian or professional," it reported.

The two countries have close defence ties. India has bought more than $5 billion worth of Israeli equipment since 2002.

According to the Jerusalem Post, the two countries have already discussed an agreement for Israel's Defence Force to send its own highly trained commandos to help India in Kashmir, the Moslem majority region claimed by both India and Pakistan.

The newspaper claism that Maj.-Gen. Avi Mizrahi, the commander in chief of Israel's Ground Forces Command spent three days visiting Kashmir in September to discuss the plan.

tchandr · Post by **tchandr** » 28 Nov 2008 13:41

shynee wrote:NDTV Ticker - PM is going to talk to Pakistan. What the hell he is going to talk ?

Paki-satan is a victim of terror, we are with them in this hour of crisis

Shivani · Post by **Shivani** » 28 Nov 2008 13:41

In the last 30 minutes all news channel ran with the news that there were fresh shootings at CST, RBI, some hospital and marine drive.

Now they have been confirmed to be rumours by Mumbai police. No shootings have taken place anywhere outside of the three encounter sites.

Some channels are still carying this as breaking news eg. CNN and BBC World.

If there was one central authority that shared facts in this case such rumours could be dquashed quickly before they disrupted life. Mumbai police and babu administration is so utterly incompetent, and they do not learn from their own errors.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Nov 2008 13:43

Johann wrote: - This is largely speculation on my part, but this attack probably has two strategic goals - taking pressure off the tribal areas in Pakistan, and allowing the PA to shift its focus back to India by engineering an international crisis by creating irresistable pressure within India to act against Pakistan.

Absolutely correct, Johann. Pakistan would also hope that this incident would also add strength to its expectation of intervention by the US between India & Pakistan. It would also show that India is in the same boat as Pakistan is as far as anarchy & terror are concerned.

The best possible outcome would be if India and the West were able to cooperate enough to force Zardari to face the challenge head on, to arrest, extradite, or at least try and convict serving members of the ISI involved in this, and fire Kayani while he's at it, all without any let up in pressure on the tribal areas.

Zardari would be long dead before that happens.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Nov 2008 13:46

Pranab Mukherjee confirms Pakistan's involvement.

He says there will be a cost for Pakistan.

The Pakistani FM at Ajmer says that 'do not be jingoistic, do not play politics, we are facing a common enemy'. Why is he still roaming in India ?

Raigad · Post by **Raigad** » 28 Nov 2008 13:48

so what will MMS do now....send a note to zardari saying he is disappointed and ask him to stand outside (zardari's)office for 10 min as punishment

Hariprasad · Post by **Hariprasad** » 28 Nov 2008 13:49

Johann somebody has to pay for the loss of the Indian lives NOW. Also with all the support I don't think Zardari can even take on, let alone arrest or extradite serving ISI members. He would have met his 72 before it happens.

John Snow · Post by **John Snow** » 28 Nov 2008 13:50

Just as the way 9-11 was paki operation using KSA, Yemeni manpower, this operation is a Paki ISI D Gang operation.
So when johaan comes with partially coreect answers we neeed to counter spin them to stabilize the facts.

D MMS talking to Pakis is showing how empty he is in top drawer, the Pakis should have been quivering in their peela chedis by now.

Go back and tie up the recent news... Paki Zara dadagiri saying No First use and quipping about Mushy improving his Golf etc....

Pota ko lalleo Burkha Dutt ko bhitayo under

milindc · Post by **milindc** » 28 Nov 2008 13:50

CNN-IBN reporting that scums at Nariman house sent out an elderly hostage in morning for food, or else the other hostages would be killed. The police let him take back food.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Nov 2008 13:53

Pranab says that the mobile phone recovered from the terrorist was receiving calls from Karachi,

Hariprasad · Post by **Hariprasad** » 28 Nov 2008 13:54

milindc wrote:CNN-IBN reporting that scums sent out an elderly hostage in morning for food, or else the other hostages would be killed. The police let him take back food.

Milind where did this happen? Trident?

Dmurphy · Post by **Dmurphy** » 28 Nov 2008 13:54

IBNlive: Trident completely clear of terrorists: Report

antaryami · Post by **antaryami** » 28 Nov 2008 13:55

Times now reporting that Mumbai cable network has been blacked out.Good or Bad?

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 28 Nov 2008 13:55

Someone needs to tell the Israeli SF/Intel chap to get over with this sermon on conducting specops. Incase they've not noticed, these people are not here to take hostages. This is not your classic hostage situation like the Iranian Embassy in UK or the Chilean embassy. This is a fast moving CQB where the only hope to minimize the damage is to engage the scums asap and neuteralize them. Indian chaps know what they are doing. Let's cut this hokier than thou attitude.

shynee · Post by **shynee** » 28 Nov 2008 13:55

Initial information suggests Pak hand in Mumbai attack: Pranab

JODHPUR: India on Friday said preliminary information suggested that "some elements" in Pakistan were responsible for the terror strikes in
Mumbai.

New Delhi is expected to take up the matter with Islamabad when Prime Minister Manmohan Singh speaks with Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari later in the day.

"According to preliminary information, some elements in Pakistan are responsible for Mumbai terror attacks," External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee told reporters here.

"Proof cannot be disclosed at this time," he said, noting that Pakistan had assured India that it will not allow use of its territory for launching attacks against this country.

Pakistan had given this assurance at a meeting Singh and Zardari had on the margins of the United Nations General Assembly session on September 24.

In an address to the nation, the Prime Minister had yesterday blamed elements outside the country for the terror strikes in Mumbai and warned that India will not tolerate the use of territory of its neighbours for attacks in the country.

India will take up "strongly with our neighbours that the use of their territory for launching attacks on us will not be tolerated and that there would be a cost if suitable measures are not taken by them."

Singh had said the "well-planned and well-orchestrated attacks, probably with external linkages, were intended to create a sense of panic by choosing high profile targets and indiscriminately killing foreigners."

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Nov 2008 13:56

The TimesNow was playing the video of the Paki FM's soundbites. The body language of the Pakistani FM was admonitory. What audacity !

John Snow · Post by **John Snow** » 28 Nov 2008 13:57

The only person MMS should talk is to Bush adn ask him release NSA tapes of the traffic between Dubai, Karachi Islamabad and all Paki embassies.

The way to get this is ask Israel to persuade Bush to di it pronto

then end game

milindc · Post by **milindc** » 28 Nov 2008 13:57

Hariprasad wrote:
milindc wrote:CNN-IBN reporting that scums sent out an elderly hostage in morning for food, or else the other hostages would be killed. The police let him take back food.
Milind where did this happen? Trident?

Sorry Boss, didn't realize that the location was not provided.

It was Nariman House.

Y I Patel · Post by **Y I Patel** » 28 Nov 2008 13:58

Time to find out if Cold Start is Hot Air. Enough already.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 28 Nov 2008 13:58

This the US's gameplan,to get both Indian and Paki armed forces to fight in the so-called "war on terror',the catastrophic Bush military adventiurism which has gone completely out of control and where the west's ass is getting pasted especially in Afghanistan! Zardari and MMS,are as effective at procreation as transvestites,are so weak that they have allowed US advisers to mould their foreign policy agendas,sending us back into colonial serfdom.India has to protect vessels in the Malacca Straits as US forces are too busy prosecuting their war on terror.Which navy off Somalia is combating piracy?Let's not forget who screwed up the region so much inflaming Islamic nations and their peoples and sowed the seeds of millions of terrorists? It began with the Afghan war against the Soviets and went out of control by supporting Gen.Zia who turned Pak into a monster nuclear proliferator,aided by China,to which Clinton tuned a blind eye! All that the wewst wants from India and Pak are two servile neo-colonial lackeys,whose large military forces must fight western wars.Why don't the Brits at least pay the Gurkhas the same wage as their "white" troops?

shynee · Post by **shynee** » 28 Nov 2008 13:59

Oberoi has been cleared

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Nov 2008 13:59

From The Hinu Update

Three terrorists, including a Pakistani national, were arrested by the security forces from the Taj hotel here on Thursday night.

Ajmal Amir Kamal, a resident of Faridkot, Multan in Pakistan and two others were arrested from the hotel, official sources said.

The arrested militants belong to Lashkar-e-Taiba, they said.

Kamal told the investigators that they had come in a merchant vessel, which dropped them at 10 nautical miles ahead of Indian waters. From there, they took a dingy fibre glass boat to enter the Indian waters, he said.

There were 12 people on the boat, he said.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Nov 2008 14:00

Both the terrorists at Oberoi have been killed

Hariprasad · Post by **Hariprasad** » 28 Nov 2008 14:00

Breaking news on Times Now
Oberoi-Trident totally under NSG control. Two piglets go to hell.

Hariprasad · Post by **Hariprasad** » 28 Nov 2008 14:04

Times Now: 20 additional NSG commandos rushed for reinforcements to Nariman house.
Pranab da now on TimesNow

Dmurphy · Post by **Dmurphy** » 28 Nov 2008 14:06

Hariprasad wrote:Breaking news on Times Now
Oberoi-Trident totally under control. Two piglets meet their 72.

Sorry for the OT, but just wanna know. why "meeting their 72?"

Nesoj · Post by **Nesoj** » 28 Nov 2008 14:09

NDTV - Breaking News

Live interview with NSG Chief General J K Dutta

Oberoi & Trident - fully cleaned - last 2 terrorists killed - said as of now 6 dead bodies (4 Indians, 2 foreigners) recovered - counting on, for any additional bodies. Sanitization of rooms in progress - NSG being withdrawn - General seen offering congrats to the commandos

2 left - Taj & Nariman

ravi_s · Post by **ravi_s** » 28 Nov 2008 14:11

My SHQ is seething with rage... says that the piglets should be cut to pieces and fed to the dogs...all shown live to the other piglets..

bart · Post by **bart** » 28 Nov 2008 14:13

SSridhar wrote:Pranab Mukherjee confirms Pakistan's involvement.

He says there will be a cost for Pakistan.

The Pakistani FM at Ajmer says that 'do not be jingoistic, do not play politics, we are facing a common enemy'. Why is he still roaming in India ?

Why should Paki wahabi terrorists and RAPE be allowed to visit the Sufi shrine of Khwaja Mohinuddin Chishti?

Raigad · Post by **Raigad** » 28 Nov 2008 14:13

why poison the dogs? they have done us no harm

Nayak · Post by **Nayak** » 28 Nov 2008 14:16

For all we know TSP will 'engineer' an incident, probably kill some shias in a spectacular blast and claim victim-hood status, all in the name of equal equal onlee.

manjgu · Post by **manjgu** » 28 Nov 2008 14:17

any info on NSG / army casualties?? identity of slain militants....