Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - July 07, 2009

arun · Post by **arun** » 22 Jul 2009 16:40

X Posted.

From AfPak to SomPak?

UK’s Foreign Office Minister for Africa, Asia and the UN, Lord Malloch- Brown:

“The main terrorist threat comes from Pakistan and Somalia – not Afghanistan.”

The Telegraph

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 Jul 2009 16:47

anupmisra wrote:
With many of the LET in power, a major mass-casualty attack on India like the November 2008 Mumbai bombings would be likely. India has shown remarkable restraint over the last decade as the Pakistani army, militants in Pakistan or both have carried out provocations like the Kargil War in 1999, the attack on the Indian parliament in 2001 and the Mumbai raid last year.

What Bruce Riedel didn't say: Since such restraint has brought enormous benefits for India, it is reasonably expected that India will continue in the same path.

James B · Post by **James B** » 22 Jul 2009 16:54

Original report from Dawn, posting in full

Proof of RAW involvement in terror acts given to India

By Baqir Sajjad Syed

Wednesday, 22 Jul, 2009 | 05:00 AM PST |

ISLAMABAD, July 21: Pakistan has handed over to India comprehensive evidence of Indian involvement in a number of terrorist acts on its soil.

According to sources, a dossier containing proofs of India’s involvement in subversive activities in Pakistan was handed over by Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani to his Indian counterpart Dr Manmohan Singh during their recent meeting at Sharm el-Sheikh in Egypt.

Pakistan has also shared these evidences with the United States and Afghanistan, specifically asking the latter to prevent the use of its soil for disruptive activities against it.

Although the information given to India is being kept highly secret, broad outlines of the dossier available with Dawn reveal details of Indian contacts with those involved in attacks on the Sri Lankan cricket team and the Manawan police station.

Operatives of RAW who remained in touch with the perpetrators of the attacks have been identified and proofs of their interaction have been attached.

Besides, description of Indian arms and explosives used in the attack on the Sri Lankan team has been made part of the dossier.

Names and particulars of the perpetrators, who illegally entered Pakistan from India and joined their accomplices who had reached Lahore from Waziristan, have been mentioned.

Furthermore, the evidence of Indian link lists the safe houses being run by RAW in Afghanistan, where terrorists are trained and launched for missions in Pakistan.

The dossier also broadly covers the Indian connection in terror financing in Pakistan.

A substantial part of the shared material deals with the Balochistan insurgency and Indian linkages with the insurgents, particularly Bramdagh Bugti, Burhan and Sher Khan.

Pictures of their meetings with Indian operatives are part of the evidence, which also describes Bugti’s visit to India and the meetings he had with Indian secret service personnel.

It makes mention of the India-funded Kandahar training camp, where Baloch insurgents, particularly those from Bugti clan, were being trained and provided arms and ammunition for sabotage activities in Balochistan.

The sources claim that Dr Singh agreed to ‘look into Pakistani claims’ and to take ‘corrective action’ if proven. He is said to have assured Mr Gilani that India is against interference in other countries and Pakistan’s stability was important for them.

A joint communiqué, released after the Gilani-Singh meeting in Sharm el-Sheikh, reflected information-sharing because it included reference to Balochistan and the information available to Pakistan; reiteration of Indian commitment to a stable and democratic Pakistan; and an agreement on sharing real time credible and actionable information on any future terrorist threats.

Mr Gilani’s close aides confirmed that in his meeting with Mr Singh he took up the issue of India’s involvement in the attack on the Sri Lankan team and other subversive acts.

Foreign Office spokesman Abdul Basit said: ‘Yes, these issues were discussed.’

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... dia--bi-08

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 22 Jul 2009 16:55

Wonder why MMS accepted the evidences handed over to him, why it was not thrown into dustbin there and then??

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 Jul 2009 16:59

IndraD wrote:Wonder why MMS accepted the evidences handed over to him, why it was not thrown into dustbin there and then??

IndraD, how can he, after having accepted to discuss the issue, especially since we have nothing to hide ?

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 22 Jul 2009 17:47

Explain emergency, Supreme Court orders Musharraf

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 22 Jul 2009 17:58

The rise of Pakistan's 'civilian dictators'

The local government minister, retired Justice Abdul Razak Thahim, insists that local democracy is not being abolished for good.

He says that elections will be held after a period, but hinted that with elections already for the president, parliament, and assemblies for the four Pakistani provinces, that was enough democracy for now.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 Jul 2009 18:03

Pakistan objects to US expansion in Afghan War

Pakistan is objecting to expanded American combat operations in neighboring Afghanistan, creating new fissures in the alliance with Washington at a critical juncture when thousands of new American forces are arriving in the region.

Pakistani officials have told the Obama administration that the Marines fighting the Taliban in southern Afghanistan will force militants across the border into Pakistan, with the potential to further inflame the troubled province of Baluchistan, according to Pakistani intelligence officials.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 22 Jul 2009 18:10

Reidel has missed the boat,though his analysis is spot on.The only way to deal with Pak and its machiavellian military,is to starve it of weaponry and funds.Instead of money and weapons,dump food supplies onto Pak,like one feeds beggars.Impose an unofficial military embargo on Pak by US allies as well.The Paki military has enough of manpower and the arms with which to take on "their Taliban".Starved of US and western arms,the military rulers of Pak will be forced to buy only inferior Chinese weaponry.It's military must be kept a generation behind that of other nations of similar size and influence and two generations behind India! However,well knowing the possibility of sanctions from a US admin. which could turn against it,Pak and China have begun jointly developing their own weapon systems,from strike aircrft to other weapon systems and missiles and are desperately trying to catch up by theft of western military tech. and illegal unauthorised copying of Russian systems.

Lumping India and Pak together in just one breadth is a policy doomed to failure,this feature of US diplomacy has nauseated India for decades.Trying to bring Kashmir into the equation as a prize for Pak's "good behaviour",is anathema to India and all Indians.It beggars belief that the US having traversed this treacherous road time and time again,still puts its faith in the mendacious mentality of the military Paki.That the current leadership of India is so US obssessed (has Subedar Singh been promised the Nobel Peace Prize for obeying a latter day Uncle Tom's diktat?),that one must search hard for the hidden motives for such acquiescence to do the US 's bidding.That India is at the receiving end of this sordid surrender,is the nation's tragedy.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 Jul 2009 18:17

On the release of Hafeez Saeed - NYT

Another militant group, Lashkar-e-Taiba, is also a source of deep disagreement.

India and the United States have criticized Pakistan for allowing Hafiz Muhammad Saeed, the founder of Lashkar-e-Taiba, to be freed from jail last month.

The Pakistani officials said Mr. Saeed deserved to be freed because the government had failed to convince the courts that he should be kept in custody. There would be no effort to imprison Mr. Saeed again, in part because he was just an ideologue who did not have an anti-Pakistan agenda, the officials said.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 Jul 2009 19:54

India supporting terror attacks in the Punjab: Law Minister

Punjab Law Minister Rana Sanaullah Khan has claimed that India is providing terrorists financial assistance, intelligence and weapons and training them to carry out attacks in Punjab. Replying to questions at Chief Minister’s Secretariat on Tuesday, the provincial law minister, however, said no Indian national had either been arrested or found involved directly in suicide attacks in the province. A senior adviser to the Punjab chief minister, Sardar Zulfiqar Khosa, said, “We have conveyed all our reservations ... to the Indian government.”

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 22 Jul 2009 20:03

SSridhar wrote:India supporting terror attacks in the Punjab: Law Minister

Never wrestle with a pig. You'll both get dirty but only the pig will enjoy it!

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 22 Jul 2009 20:13

Never wrestle with a pig. You'll both get dirty but only the pig will enjoy it!

Dear RajeshA there is another way of saying this:

Never argue with an idiot, he will bring you down to his level and then beat you with his experience

sanjaychoudhry · Post by **sanjaychoudhry** » 22 Jul 2009 20:14

RajeshA wrote:
SSridhar wrote:India supporting terror attacks in the Punjab: Law Minister
Never wrestle with a pig. You'll both get dirty but only the pig will enjoy it!

I think MMS is going to sign another joint declaration with Gilani, his village buddy from childhood days, where he agrees to also discuss Punjab. "Bring it on, we have nothing to hide."

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 22 Jul 2009 20:14

^^ He is a very Intelligent Minister...

http://www.pakwatan.com/gov_detail.php?id=1324
To a question about search operation in Madrassahs, the minister said that no search operation would be conducted in Madrassahs in the province. He said there are no "No-Go Areas" in Punjab. He dispelled the impression that Madrassahs are imparting training to the terrorist outfits and are involved in subversive activities. He said Madrassahs are being maligned and a propaganda campaign has been unleashed against religious seminaries. However, if specific information is received against a Madrassahs action would be taken, he added.

He said that Punjab Government is considering to extend financial support to the Madrassahs in the province in order to bring these religious seminaries in the mainstream.

sanjaychoudhry · Post by **sanjaychoudhry** » 22 Jul 2009 20:16

shravan wrote:^^ He is a very Intelligent Minister...

http://www.pakwatan.com/gov_detail.php?id=1324
To a question about search operation in Madrassahs, the minister said that no search operation would be conducted in Madrassahs in the province. He said there are no "No-Go Areas" in Punjab. He dispelled the impression that Madrassahs are imparting training to the terrorist outfits and are involved in subversive activities. He said Madrassahs are being maligned and a propaganda campaign has been unleashed against religious seminaries. However, if specific information is received against a Madrassahs action would be taken, he added.

He said that Punjab Government is considering to extend financial support to the Madrassahs in the province in order to bring these religious seminaries in the mainstream.

Sounds like Pakistanis have lifted government of India's policy word by word.

derkonig · Post by **derkonig** » 22 Jul 2009 20:53

Apparently Pakis handed over a dossier of 'RAW's activities in Balochistan' to MMS. Nice work I would say MMS, now we are branded terror sponsors, just wait until the Western world begins frothing at its mouth about evil Hindooo terrorists killing pissful Pakis.
I one deft stroke, we have turned from a victim to a perpetrator.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 22 Jul 2009 20:58

If the stuff had any credibility they would have released to public in pdf format.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 22 Jul 2009 20:59

any confirmation of said dossier from reliable indian sources?
all i have seen is someone saying 'let them show what they want, we have nothing to hide...'
the paks have been talking about a dossier since 26/11, none of it has to be taken seriously

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 22 Jul 2009 21:00

ramana wrote:If the stuff had any credibility they would have released to public in pdf format.

Exactly they would have done 26/11 equal equal and released everything from "fotus" to "transcripts" and have people discuss it on TV with the "evidence". None of that has happened.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 22 Jul 2009 21:28

ramana wrote:If the stuff had any credibility they would have released to public in pdf format.

Can we ask Pakistanis to allow us to put the stuff in public domain? Then -

a) The ISI goes back to its offices to hack still a bit more on the dossier, to take out the parts which it considers 'sensitive information'. We on the other hand, simply say Pakistan has retracted the dossier.

b) When the dossier then arrives, it would be so shorn of credible intelligence and information, that would be just a litany of cooked up charges and nobody would believe it. We put everything on public domain. Then we arrange a Week of Laugh-Yoga.

c) Through this action, India would have proven, that we have nothing to hide.

d) Then we go ahead and organize a Baluchistan conference in Delhi to find peace in Baluchistan and to henceforth avoid Pakistan's cooked up allegations against India, intended for defaming a local struggle for freedom.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 22 Jul 2009 22:01

Just saw a report on the protests in TSP over power shortages. One man said "Pakistan is finished". Lots of wailing about the economic situation. Has the baksheesh so dried up?

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 22 Jul 2009 22:18

India has sucked up all the electricity from the trickle it allows to flow into the land of the Pure

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 22 Jul 2009 22:24

kenop wrote:India has sucked up all the electricity from the trickle it allows to flow into the land of the Pure

That is Devi Lal's mischief.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 22 Jul 2009 22:28

The 'dossier' is likely a collection of under lungi photo shots that the pakistani newspapers and TV presenters have been talking about.

The phone intercept transcript is likely to go like:

Terrorist: "Helooo, Jai shri ram, I am ravi uma bahrati calling from waziristan"
Handler: "Jai ram ji ki, I am Advani narender modi talking from the RSS office in delhi"
Terrorist: "Saar, I am finding indulging in terrorist activities in the pure land of pakistan very difficult. There is no vegetarian food here"
Handler: "Don't worry, you go and plant the bomb and kill those pakistanis, we are sending you a tiffin with vegetarian food from the 4 million consulates we have established in afghanistan onlee"
Terrorist: "Wokay, saar. Namaskaaram"

This dossier is going to provide good comic relief to the babooze in nai dilli.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 22 Jul 2009 22:32

Folks..this is important. In a recent interview with Hamid Mir, the legal community and particularly Aitzaz Hussain, who defended chief Justice Chaudhary in the legal battel was of the opinion that Musharraf should be hanged for what he did to CJ and CJ's family.

Mr. Aitzaz was quote saying that he (Musharraf) will not come to pakistan in the form he is known to all (words to the effect):rotfl:

SC serves notice to Musharraf, staff refuses to receive

ISLAMABAD: The staff of Supreme Court showed up at former president Pervez Musharraf’s farm house to deliver the SC notice summoning him before the court on July 29 but the staff present at the farm house refused to receive the notice.

Musharraf seeks experts’ advice following SC notice

US not to come to defend Pervez Musharraf: Holbrooke

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 22 Jul 2009 22:41

Gerard wrote:Just saw a report on the protests in TSP over power shortages. One man said "Pakistan is finished". Lots of wailing about the economic situation. Has the baksheesh so dried up?

Power crisis continues to plague country

KARACHI: Despite high-flown claims by Karachi Electric Supply Company's (KESC) and the Singh government, the power supply could not be restored to some areas of the city after the lapse of even four days.

The power supply is suspended for four days and nights now in the biggest locality of the city, Gadap Town. Besides this, several other areas could not receive the electricity for four days after the historic catastrophic showers.

The spell of unannounced and prolonged load shedding is in progress across Punjab including Lahore, and the power is missing in most Lahore areas after today’s rains.

Also, the people in interior Punjab are facing hosts of problems due to unannounced load shedding and were forced to stage protest demos.

The spate of unannounced load shedding continues in Balochistan including Quetta. Quetta Electric Supply Company (QESCO) is facing the shortage of 500 Megawatts, to meet this power deficit, it is carrying out the load shedding of 6 to 8 hours in Quetta and its vicinity areas and 12 to 18 hours in rural areas of the province.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 22 Jul 2009 22:42

Speculation on that Rehman Malik might get the axe in the groper-10% struggle

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 22 Jul 2009 22:44

Satya_anveshi wrote:Folks..this is important. In a recent interview with Hamid Mir, the legal community and particularly Aitzaz Hussain, who defended chief Justice Chaudhary in the legal battel was of the opinion that Musharraf should be hanged for what he did to CJ and CJ's family.

Mr. Aitzaz was quote saying that he (Musharraf) will not come to pakistan in the form he is known to all (words to the effect):rotfl:

SC serves notice to Musharraf, staff refuses to receive
ISLAMABAD: The staff of Supreme Court showed up at former president Pervez Musharraf’s farm house to deliver the SC notice summoning him before the court on July 29 but the staff present at the farm house refused to receive the notice.
Musharraf seeks experts’ advice following SC notice

US not to come to defend Pervez Musharraf: Holbrooke

Farm house in total darkness onlee.

Kandle kissers to the rescue.

Musharraf residence electricity connection ordered to be cut: MD PEPCO
July 18, 2009

Managing Director PEPCO, Tahir Basharat Cheema has said that former President Pervez Musharraf was the defaulter of Rs. 0.5 million and order has been issued to cut-off electricity connection of his farm house in Chak Shahzad.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 22 Jul 2009 22:49

Lets see if the TSPA comes out of the barracks!

Oneof the conditions from Kiyani for the "peaceful" transfer of power was Mushy wasn't to be punished for his crimes.

Isnt the turd in London?

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 22 Jul 2009 22:52

This is really big.
The army dare not move against the Chief Justice in pakistan, the memories of the lawyer movement are still fresh. Any attempt to do so will only malign the army in a country where they are already fighting against the more religious than thou taliban.

This boils down to between who is more dispensable for the powers that be in pakistan. The CJ or Mushy. Either there is going to be an IED mubarak on the CJ or Mushy is going to get the lamp post reception.

Mushy can still apply for the bar tender's job in London that yahya khan vacated.

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 22 Jul 2009 22:55

Gilani-Zardari rift: Upset Gilani may axe Rehman Malik

...
Gilani is upset with several key aides of the President, including Malik, for bypassing him and other members of the ministry, media reports said here.

He has said that Malik's recent announcement about authorities clamping down on "anti-government" emails and SMS messages will not be implemented. Gilani also said that nobody will be allowed to make such announcements in future without consulting the cabinet.

A media report on Wednesday also claimed that Malik may be eased out soon and replaced by senior Pakistan People's Party leader Raza Rabbani.
...

Gilani, the reports said, is "now in an aggressive mood" and "very confident after emerging victorious from Sharm el-Sheikh".

Gilani earned praise here for bringing up the issue of alleged "Indian interference" in the restive Balochistan province during his July 16 meeting with Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on the sidelines of the Non-Aligned Movement summit in Sharm el-Sheikh.

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 22 Jul 2009 22:59

Terror common enemy of India, Pak, US: Holbrooke

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"For the first time since partition, Pakistan, the US and India face a common enemy, a common challenge and a common task. That doesn't mean the complicated history between (Pakistan and India) is over," Special Representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan Richard Holbrooke told reporters.

"But we have move forward and deal with the fact that in the western part of (Pakistan there) are people who attacked the US, who attacked India, who attack people in Pakistan, including your late leader Benazir Bhutto and who have said publicly they wish to keep doing it," he added.
...

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 22 Jul 2009 23:05

BTW, how is TSP a member of NAM? It had aligned itself ( sorry, whored itself) to US by signing CENTO and other agreements.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 22 Jul 2009 23:06

"But we have move forward and deal with the fact that in the western part of (Pakistan there) are people who attacked the US, who attacked India, who attack people in Pakistan, including your late leader Benazir Bhutto and who have said publicly they wish to keep doing it," he added.

Mr Holebrook, the terrorists who attack India, come from eastern part of Pakistan, mainly from Pakjab.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 22 Jul 2009 23:08

RaviBg wrote:Gilani-Zardari rift: Upset Gilani may axe Rehman Malik

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Gilani is upset with several key aides of the President, including Malik, for bypassing him and other members of the ministry, media reports said here.

...
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Gilani, the reports said, is "now in an aggressive mood" and "very confident after emerging victorious from Sharm el-Sheikh".

Gilani earned praise here for bringing up the issue of alleged "Indian interference" in the restive Balochistan province during his July 16 meeting with Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on the sidelines of the Non-Aligned Movement summit in Sharm el-Sheikh.

So the unintended consequence of S-e-S 'drafting error' is it has started a cat fight among the pigeons! What did Chanakya say about enemies defeating themselves?

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 22 Jul 2009 23:10

ramana wrote:So the unintended consequence of S-e-S 'drafting error' is it has started a cat fight among the pigeons! What did Chanakya say about enemies defeating themselves?

Also note that the CJP is methodical. Summons mushy *after* legitimizing Badmash. First building political alliance, before taking on a guy with the lota party and some army jernails behind him.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 23 Jul 2009 00:12

Satya_anveshi wrote:
US not to come to defend Pervez Musharraf: Holbrooke

It means they were defending him before and keeping him in power.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 23 Jul 2009 00:18

Anujan wrote:Also note that the CJP is methodical. Summons mushy *after* legitimizing Badmash. First building political alliance, before taking on a guy with the lota party and some army jernails behind him.

The pakistanis have always been methodical when pulling coups. Think this is an inborn genetic trait they have.
Here again, the law in pakistan is not bringing Mushy to justice, it is pulling a coup on him to bring him to justice.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 23 Jul 2009 01:56

ISI chief to India: talk to us, we make policy too