Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 10 Mar 2010 06:49

After Riyadh declaration, a paki who is worried and at the same time reassure himself and his terrorist brothers that taller than mountains and deeper than oceans friend will not leave the beggars in the lurch and become India centric

China will not be India-centric

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 10 Mar 2010 07:16

Both "Hindutva" and "secularism" are threats to Pakistan. While there may be a great debate within India about the relative merits and demerits of these within India and the exact meaning of "Hindutva" or "secularism" the fact is both are a threat to Pakistan and both dilute or destroy Pakistaniyat.

Of the two I would judge secularism to be the more insiduously damaging to Pakistan. Hindutva is "up front" and can be seen by Pakis are a direct threat. But secularism presents itself to Pakistan as a friend they do not want. I am reminded of a friend of mine in the US - a Republican suporter who ended up voting against bush before the latter's second term, he told me that the Republicans are up front about what they mean. Not the Democrats. The Hindutva/Secular debate is like that.

It is important not to confuse the internal Indian political debate about secularism/Hindutva (as if Hindutvadis are not secular, or secularists cannot be Hindu) with the effect they have on Pakistan. Both are dangerous to Pakistani ideology of purity. One of the dangers I see is Indian business interests dealing with Pakistan. I had made a list of items that I see in paki photos and videos that are identical to that which is found in India. these things are obviously sourced from the same manufacturers - possibly from India - but the temptation to set up a branch in Pakistan is a dangerous trend.

I would really like to make a list of companies who are making profits from India and Pakisan and use an India lever to create jobs in Pakistan. We will shoot ourselves in the foot by contributing to the Paki enonomy. part from Suzuki cars - "Kinley" brand bottled water and pre-cast cement kerb stones are identical in Indiapakistan.

arun · Post by **arun** » 10 Mar 2010 07:32

arun wrote:The wages of sin.

Parliamentary delegation from the Islamic Republic of Pakistan falls foul of the mandatory full body pat-down instituted in the US for citizens of such terrorist infested “countries of concern” like the Islamic Republic of Pakistan:

FATA delegation says no to scanning at US airport, returns home

Updated at: 0800 PST, Sunday, March 07, 2010 …………….

The News

The takleef of the legislators from the Islamic Republic of Pakistan seems manufactured and they knew that coming from a “country of concern” they would be subject to special checks:

Wednesday, March 10, 2010

Discriminatory body screening at US airports: FATA MPs approach Senate with a resolution

* US embassy spokesman says lawmakers were pre-informed about screening * Senator Rasheed rejects statement, says no country should insult its guests

By Iqbal Choudhry

ISLAMABAD: In a bid to press the US authorities to relinquish discriminatory body scanning, parliamentarians belonging to FATA submitted a joint resolution before the Senate parliamentary secretary on Tuesday to take the issue in both houses.

“We submitted a joint resolution against the US law for body scanning, particularly for Pakistanis,” Senator Hafiz Abdur Rasheed told Daily Times. ……………….

Pre-informed: When contacted, US embassy spokesman Richard Snelsire said, “We are sad about the decision of the parliamentarians. We told them before the visit that they would [have to] face the body scanning process”.

Denial: Senator Rasheed categorically rejected the statement by the US embassy and said no country should insult its guests. ……………….

Daily Times

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 10 Mar 2010 07:39

Zeetv and TV serials by Ekta Kapoor are the biggest problems for TSP as they break many stereotypes fed to them about Hindu India.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 10 Mar 2010 07:41

arun wrote: Denial: Senator Rasheed categorically rejected the statement by the US embassy and said no country should insult its guests. ……………….

Daily Times

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"Senator" Rasheed indeed! Pakistanis are masters in the art of concealing jihad in taqiya.

I mean what mental picture comes to you when you hear the expression "tribal chieftain"?

And what appears in your mind's eye when you hear the name "senator"

I mean its such nice trick. Take a turd and call it "strawberry"

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 10 Mar 2010 08:11

The world (in my lifetime) has been divided up into "developed" or "advanced" countries and "underdeveloped" or "developing"/third world nations.

By and large "developed countries" are seen to have the following characteristics. A huge middle class of people who are wealthy enough to be able to afford leisure and art in addition to food and shelter. Of course there is poverty - but the numbers are small and there is enough wealth to provide social support. The wealth in developed countries has come mainly from a shift from an agrarian economy to a manufacturing economy. And that has spurred other economies like the service industry and the leisure industry.

"Developing" and third world countries are characterized by a large mass of poor people with the added burden of a burgeoning population (a side effect of partial development that saves more lives without a reduction in birth rate)

So how can a developing economy become wealthy?

1) it can find some precious mineral to export. But most countries don't, leaving the only other alternative..
2) Development by hard work and "catching up"

The world today is dealing with population numbers never ever seen before on earth, under unique conditions. In ancient days a burgeoning population merely migrated. In a later era there was conquest.

But in this day and age, migration is discouraged or regulated by nation states because human numbers and economy are interrelated. Conquest is no longer feasible. It is one thing if India conquers Australia and spreads out, or China conquers Russia. but migration by conquest to crowded countries is of no use.

So we are stuck in a world where borders are relatively static and migration is not allowed on demand. So we get huge concentrations of poor people in some parts of the world and other areas where there are wealthy people in relatively smaller numbers. In such a world the only way to develop is by

a) Reducing population growth rate
b) Education to create workers for an industrial economy
c) Industrialization

All must occur simultaneously. Each one of these is a separate problem in itself and can be speeded up or slowed down by various factors. But for a country that has a huge and growing population there should be no question of "slowing down" on any of the three requirements.

It is a dog eat dog race. One year lost today can mean three years lost in future. Ten years lost over a span of two decades can mean a delay in development of 20 years at some time down the line because the population has grown substantially in that "lost" decade without concomitant increase in education and jobs.

India and Pakistan are in that race. South Korea and Singapore are examples of countries who have won that race. China shows promise, as does India. But every year that India saves today will benefit us a few years down the line and every year that Pakistan loses today will screw them later.

Jihad is good. Islamization is good. Pakistaniat must be preserved. And the paranoid Pakistani army that sees threats from india must never feel reassured about India. If breaking up is a good option for developing Pakistan, it must not be broken up. it must remain intact. Recall that 30 million Pakis can create trouble for India. 30 million Pakjabis in a rump state can equally be a pain - minus all the poor people who are now"Pakistanis". Pakistan must deal with its future as a whole. We must not do what is good for Pakistan. Breaking up Pakistan is good for Pakistan. That must not be allowed to occur. Pakistan must remain as a dysfunctional whole with internal fissures. A jihadi from FATA must not require a visa to blow himself up in Islamabad.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 10 Mar 2010 08:16

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arun wrote: Denial: Senator Rasheed categorically rejected the statement by the US embassy and said no country should insult its guests. ……………….

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Aha, let Mr Senator know that Daniel Pearl was a guest.

arun · Post by **arun** » 10 Mar 2010 08:23

X Posted. More of the usual hypocrisy of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s treatment of ethnic minorities on full display.

Destroying homes in Palestine by Israeli forces is totally haraam:

PAKISTAN CALLS FOR JUST SETTLEMENT OF PALESTINIAN ISSUE

On the other hand destroying homes of the minority Patahan / Pashtun by the Punjabi dominated security forces of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan is completely halal:

Wednesday, March 10, 2010

Another 14 Taliban houses set on fire in Bajaur Agency

KHAR/GHALANAI: Security forces and a local tribal lashkar (militia) torched 14 houses of the Taliban in the Mamoond tehsil of Bajaur Agency on Tuesday. …………….. Separately, security forces in a raid in Barokhel area of Halimzai tehsil on Tuesday arrested three suspects and demolished the house of a wanted terrorist in Safi tehsil. ………………..

Daily Times

This instance of demolishing houses of Pathan / Pashtun as a means of administering punishment by the Punjabi dominated security forces of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan is not an aberration but rather is standard practice.

July 2009 article from The News:

Nine houses demolished in Mohmand Agency

December 2009 article also from The News:

Four houses of Bajaur militants destroyed

asprinzl · Post by **asprinzl** » 10 Mar 2010 08:48

Doc,
The more I see it, I think it is in the interest of the Jihadi outfits and their PA master to ensure the cannon fodder abduls that crossed the LOC into Indian JK does not cross back into Satan's land. If they cross back, there is a high chance that they would poison the minds of their kinsmen who all come from the dirt poor Pakis.

No Madrassah brainwashing is 100 percent foolproof. These Abduls if they ever cross back might inform their peeps about the real situaiton in India. If this poison is allowed to fester, it might reach a critical mass that would openly defy the PA/Rape domination.

Thats is why I think we saw during 26/11 how the handlers at base were encouraging the cannon fodder abduls to attain matyrdom.

This it is also in the interest of the PA and Rape class to keep their ****-ed dirt poor ignorant and illliterates ie: Kasab.

Avram

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 10 Mar 2010 08:54

shiv wrote:
a) Reducing population growth rate
b) Education to create workers for an industrial economy
c) Industrialization

FYI, from the evidence it appears a reduction in the growth rate (by curbing the birth rate) is almost a pre-requisite for (b) and (c). Basically, parents have to start investing more heavily in their fewer children, and that is how the poor society starts on its upward climb.

Vivek_A · Post by **Vivek_A** » 10 Mar 2010 09:01

Shrill is saner than usual today...of course, in her case, that means she's only blamed Yindoos and Yankees...and left out the yahoodis.

Fighting terror in policy vacuum

SHIREEN M MAZARI(Total nutcase)

At a more general level, the state needs to be clear who are the groups they are fighting in terms of the terrorist threat. We seem to be particularly weak on this count. The Taliban have claimed responsibility for the latest Lahore attack but Rehman Malik and Punjab’s Law Minister Rana Sanaullah have identified the hand of RAW and India in this attack. First, this raises the question of what linkage is there between India and the Pakistan Taliban? Second, since there now seems to be a fair amount of evidence of India aiding and abetting terrorism in Pakistan, why are we not taking up this issue, not only with India but also with the international community - especially India’s strategic partners like the US? What is stopping us from revealing the information we have on India’s covert terrorist activities in Pakistan?

I don't know, Shrill....reality, perhaps?

Linked to this is the whole question of the presence of thousands of Americans across Pak-istan, mostly non-diplomats and linked to private security companies, who are carrying out all manner of clandestine activities in Pakistan which are harmful for this country. Not only do they present a security threat to the neighbourhood in which they live, they also undermine the country’s security by conducting covert operations often without the knowledge of the Government of Pakistan. It is believed that the Model Town SIA building was also accessed by the Americans for interrogation purposes.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 10 Mar 2010 09:10

What has prevented a communist revolution in Pakistan? Given the deprivation of the people, can Pakistan be the next project for the Communist Party?

archan · Post by **archan** » 10 Mar 2010 09:23

They may be deprived, but they also are brainwashed.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 10 Mar 2010 09:50

vera_k wrote:What has prevented a communist revolution in Pakistan? Given the deprivation of the people, can Pakistan be the next project for the Communist Party?

Tghe commie ideology as is will not find appeal because of its opium related clauses. A new version - communislamism perhaps, needs to be evolved.

In any case, the best possibility for a revolution is of the islamic variety only, against less pure classes, lasses and asses. Its the only realistic hope the YYY can harbor.

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 10 Mar 2010 10:26

asprinzl wrote: Thats is why I think we saw during 26/11 how the handlers at base were encouraging the cannon fodder abduls to attain matyrdom.

This it is also in the interest of the PA and Rape class to keep their ****-ed dirt poor ignorant and illliterates ie: Kasab.

Avram

Avram,

iirc, the terrorists going through the lobby and the rooms of the Taj hotel were remarking that they found computers and tvs with huge screens and were awestruck by the sheer opulence of the hotel. This got them distracted enough that the handlers had to quickly give them a verbal kick and get them back on the job of finding hotel guests.

Given his background as described by kasab, this isn't very surprising. But as you say, if some pigs take back such "experiences" back into pok and pak proper, it will lead to consternation in the jihadi ranks. Which is why elaborately dressed and insanely made up wimmins in Ekta Kapoor serials on Zee and Sony beaming into the aam abdul pakistani is a solid psy-weapon.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 10 Mar 2010 11:08

What communism - communislamism are y'all talking about hain ji?

Pakistan already has its version

Communalism.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 10 Mar 2010 11:18

Shiv has made an excellent observation about the :rising "Middle Class" in India and the same goes for China and other developing nations too.Newsweek in its latest issue debates the issue,underlining that the new "Middle Class" in Russia,India,China,etc.,do not view the US as "natural allies" but with suspicion.In Russia they prefer Putin's "paternalism".This confident new MC have more nationalistic feelings than "bleedin' heart liberalism",western style.They feel that their hard work and contribution is what is making their countries get more succes.In India,the Middle Class is the most affected by Paki urban terrorism and is most agitated about the "foreign hand" of Pak,which has tacit US support.

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 10 Mar 2010 12:05

IED mubarak alert by Daily Times

As many as 66 trained operatives belonging to the banned Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) have arrived in Sindh to carry out terror attacks. Militants who arrived from Waziristan planned to attack sensitive installations including police training centres situated in the provincial capital of Karachi and interior Sindh and also planned to target government and non-government organisations including the Sindh Assembly building.

arun · Post by **arun** » 10 Mar 2010 12:47

X Posted.

Christian charitable organisation offices attacked in Manshera, NWFP:

Aid group attacked in northwest Pakistan; 5 dead

By MUNIR AHMAD (AP) – 57 minutes ago

ISLAMABAD — Suspected militants armed with grenades attacked the offices of an international aid group in northwest Pakistan on Wednesday, killing five people working for the organization, police said.

The attack targeted World Vision, a large Christian humanitarian group helping survivors of the 2005 Kashmir earthquake in Mansehra district.

The dead were all Pakistanis and included two women, said police official Mohammad Sabir. ………………..

AP via Google

NikhilB · Post by **NikhilB** » 10 Mar 2010 13:14

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... -030-zj-06

Wonder if Irfan Husain, one of respected columnists from Dawn, has been reading BRF as he has pointed out exactly same things that we have been discussing in last few pages, but for India

. In my personal opinion, there is nothing wrong in what he has said about India's poverty and social inequality except to the point of comparison with Pakistan. So let us ignore this comparison of pakistan in article (as he is pakistani so let us grant him that concession

, but apart from that is there anything terribaly wrong in what he has said ? I've read this many a placed where foreigners don't experience the incredible Indian experience while actually being in India to the level experienced through advertisments, and films.

Note- not sure whether this is correct thread but as artcile is published in pakistani newspaper thought to put it here. I think this is opinion of moderate and liberal pakistanis about India.

Malayappan · Post by **Malayappan** » 10 Mar 2010 13:30

Indian matters There are these types of views too - Munir Attaullah in DT

while our political leaders, having not a clearly worked out policy to guide them, flounder and take refuge in vague generalisations and platitudes, the army, through a considered, clear-cut, and well enunciated policy, long ago seized complete charge of our foreign policy

The latest plausible-sounding answer is that “threat perceptions are based not on intent but on capability”. If so, then should not the doctrine equally apply vis-à-vis our neighbour, China (and even the US). Does it?

the fact is we are now little more than a bloody nuisance as far as India is concerned

whatever India has done in 50 years, or plans to do, is not in serious violation of the terms of the treaty in any significant way. If we foresee a serious shortage ahead, is the real reason not that India is stealing our water but our own inability to make a proper and full use of our share of the resources?

it is Pakistan far more than India who has real future possible gains at stake. So let us not continue to deceive ourselves that we hold some powerful cards (apart from the threat of mayhem) that will ensure our wishes will eventually bear fruit.

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 10 Mar 2010 14:04

Pakistani men discussing girls were planning terror attack

Two Pakistani men apparently discussing girls online were really planning a massive Al Qaeda terror attack on Britain, a senior British intelligence officer has testified in court.

The officer gave his testimony to the Special Immigration Appeals Commission as part of a deportation hearing following the arrest of five Pakistani men in anti-terror raids in Manchester and Liverpool in April last year.

Three of the men have been deported to Pakistan and are appealing to be allowed to return to Britain. The two others are fighting their deportation order - apparently backed by Pakistani government ministers.

The officer, identified only as ZR, told the court on Tuesday the five men planned to stage an attack between April 15 and 20 last year - just days after their arrest - in a plot that would inflict "mass casualties".

He told the hearing that that the alleged plot ringleader Abid Naseer exchanged coded emails with an Al Qaeda operative called Sohaib, using girls' names in order to conceal their identities.

"On the face of it the emails are designed to look, without knowledge of the surrounding context, they're designed to look like correspondence between two people about girls," he said, according to the Daily Mail.

"I don't assess this to be two young men simply talking about girls. I think it's two people discussing attack planning on behalf of Al Qaeda," he added.

Police say Naseer and Ahmed Faraz Khan were part of a major plot and constitute a risk to security, but that it did not have enough evidence to charge them with criminal offences.

Naseer's lawyer Jeol Bannathan told ZR: "You know, don't you, that in Pakistan in public, senior figures in the Pakistani government have been saying 'these boys are innocent, they should be allowed to carry on with their studies'."

ZR replied: "The claims that these individuals are not involved in terrorism are wrong."

The British intelligence officer compared the alleged plot to the July 7, 2005 attacks in London and a trans-Atlantic airline bomb plot of 2006, but refused to reveal details of the similarities in open court.

"The overarching similar fashion was that they were all planning a terrorist attack in the UK under the direction of Al Qaeda and these were aiming for mass casualties."

He added: "I'm comfortable that there are similarities between those plots and I'm comfortable to talk about that in closed session."

MI5, the British spy agency, claims that Naseer and Sohaib used names of girlfriends to refer to different explosive materials needed for homemade bombs.

They also mentioned a wedding, which was in fact the alleged attack, the security service says.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 10 Mar 2010 14:28

Irfan Hussein supposedly lives in London for most of the year,is married to a Britisher,enjoys a diet worthy of a Jinnah,has a holiday home in southern Lanka and visits his homeland from time to time,reporting on all its foibles in a very open and transparent way.Sadly,he and some of his colleagues on the Dawn accurately describe the pathetic state of affairs in Pakiland.While in both India and Pak many of the problems are the same,grinding poverty,acute inequality-especially now seen in India where Rolls Royces and Bentleys pass by slumdwellers each day,something that was not witnessed during the days of the "Licence Raj".

However,despite India's shortcomings,they pale into insignificance when compared with those of Pak.The situ in Pak is far more dangerous where the pillars of the state are cracked and bomb scarred.The first signs of civil war have appeared with the "Paki Taliban" who are engaged in a fight to the finish with the Paki establishment.Daily attacks against state entities are taking place.In one report,we are told that "3000 Taliban suicide bombers" are heading for Pak.No wonder a paki on Indian telly said that it was common in Pak for the public to carry Kalashnikovs! He seemed genuinely surprised at the Indian moderator's surprise at that statement,borne out by a recent BBC news report,where villagers were shown carrying AK-47s and RPGs!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/ma ... aid-attack

Pakistan attack kills aid workers
Grenades set off in offices of World Vision humanitarian group

Attackers armed with grenades bombed the offices of an international aid group in north-west Pakistan today, killing five people working for the organisation, police said.
The attack targeted World Vision, a large Christian humanitarian group helping survivors of the 2005 Kashmir earthquake in Mansehra district.

pankaj · Post by **pankaj** » 10 Mar 2010 14:54

Upset by U.S. Security, Pakistanis Return as......

One of Mr. Afridi’s colleagues, Akhunzada Chitan, told Mr. Mir on his “Capital Talk” program, “Going through a body scan makes you naked, and in making you naked, they make the whole country naked.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/10/world ... an.html?hp

ShauryaT · Post by **ShauryaT** » 10 Mar 2010 15:36

shiv wrote:
Shaurya this has been part of the first post for many years now. I recall putting it in the first post at least 5-6 years ago. It's still there.

Should have looked first. Mea Culpa.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 10 Mar 2010 16:08

Malayappan wrote:Indian matters There are these types of views too - Munir Attaullah in DT

I recall reading a column where Sri Munir actually quotes Cantor. A erudite man, a reasonable man, trapped in TSP, he seemed to me.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 10 Mar 2010 16:46

NikhilB wrote:
Wonder if Irfan Husain, one of respected columnists from Dawn, has been reading BRF as he has pointed out exactly same things that we have been discussing in last few pages, but for India . In my personal opinion, there is nothing wrong in what he has said about India's poverty and social inequality except to the point of comparison with Pakistan. So let us ignore this comparison of pakistan in article (as he is pakistani so let us grant him that concession , but apart from that is there anything terribaly wrong in what he has said ? I've read this many a placed where foreigners don't experience the incredible Indian experience while actually being in India to the level experienced through advertisments, and films.

Note- not sure whether this is correct thread but as artcile is published in pakistani newspaper thought to put it here. I think this is opinion of moderate and liberal pakistanis about India.

Is there anything that is wrong with that article? How can there be? A white man comes and tells a Paki something that makes him feel good about Pakistan, and the Paki then writes about India saying "Oh It's not me - I am a great admirer but a firangi said this.." The article must be correct.

India is a safe country to write about because you can tell the truth without getting killed. It's Pakistan that is difficult to write about. Naturally the Paki writes about India. And there are two types of Indians who read and react to this type of article.

The first type Irfan Husain knows - because they send him angry emails. If I write an article about someone saying "I admire you but your mother is an ugly cow", would he not be angry?

The second type post the article in an Indian forum such as this and ask "Is there anything wrong with the article". You decide for yourself sir the worth of that article. The article is great. Posting it here with the sort of rhetorical question you have asked is stupid thing to do. But you did ask.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 10 Mar 2010 17:14

Perhaps the 'know your India' thread is a better place to dissect what is or isn't true in what the firang told Husein or the Gungadin Guardian's drain inspection report. IIRC, we've had BR forumites accused of being RAPEs or at least RAPE-lites for having a computer, or being NRIs or doing online jingogiri and not doing anything for Yindia's toiling toilet-less masses. All par for the course, actually.

Uncharacteristically, the uber jingo in me felt no anger at Sri Irfon Husein's semi-subtle malice only. BS no longer is able to influence my moods. Or so I hope. Good.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 10 Mar 2010 19:06

Irfan Huusain gets kicks from receiving emails from Indians. The name and url of the article is "knock this chip off my shoulder". Irfan Husain in the mainstream Paki media is now doing what people on PakDef used to do - just to figure out that Indians are paying attention to them.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 10 Mar 2010 19:50

National Public Radio reported that World Vision, the Christian humanitarian group working in Pakistan, has announced that it is suspending all its operations in Pakistan. NPR said that aid groups come under attack because they are seen to undermine the militants' authority.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 10 Mar 2010 19:59

What Irfan Husain fails to mention is that Indians do take criticism as well or as poorly as anyone else - except when there is an agenda behind the criticism:

E.g., you have so many problems, lower your defences, or
You have so many problems, so give us Kashmir, one less problem for you, or
There were anti-Muslim riots in Gujarat, that makes Pakistan morally superior to India (e.g. despite Pakis having blown up in suicide bombings as many or more Muslims than were killed in Gujarat).

Or from the other side - change your religion, it will solve your problems.

And so on.

It is true that both Indians (in caring for less well-off citizens) and India as a whole need a huge set of improvements. I don't think we could survive each day if we keep dwelling on our shortcomings. But the belief in the necessity for progress is there.

NikhilB · Post by **NikhilB** » 10 Mar 2010 20:05

Exactly. If Irfan Husain gets happy by receiving the emails and extra attention from Indians then is it not what first type of Indians are doing exactly by reacting angrily to the article.

I understand. Pakis are in no place at all to tell us about our shortcomings, that's just ridiculous. But why react angrily. Just say okay and move on.

On other hand, Javded Nnqvi is real ba$tard person - never has anything slightest good to speak about India, and always spreading malice through hidden messages and projecting pakistan as somewhat equal or superior (again ridculous).

I think Irfan Husain is in league of najim seth kinds of people who see the real pain of being pakistani, and are vocal about it; and they are not like fasist cult loving false prophet.

arun · Post by **arun** » 10 Mar 2010 20:14

X Posted.

The Washington Post on the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s offer to proliferate nuclear weapons to Baathist Iraq for USD 150 Million, which Iraq did not act upon as they lost the Gulf War round 1.

The material is drawn from David Albright’s just released book "Peddling Peril: How the Secret Nuclear Trade Arms America's Enemies," :

Saddam Hussein weighed nuclear 'package' deal in 1990, documents show

By Joby Warrick
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, March 10, 2010

As troops massed on his border near the start of the Persian Gulf War, Iraqi President Saddam Hussein weighed the purchase of a $150 million nuclear "package" deal that included not only weapons designs but also production plants and foreign experts to supervise the building of a nuclear bomb, according to documents uncovered by a former U.N. weapons inspector.

The offer, made in 1990 by an agent linked to disgraced Pakistani scientist Abdul Qadeer Khan, guaranteed Iraq a weapons-assembly line capable of producing nuclear warheads in as little as three years. But Iraq lost the chance to capitalize when, months later, a multinational force crushed the Iraqi army and forced Hussein to abandon his nuclear ambitions, according to nuclear weapons expert David Albright, who describes the proposed deal in a new book.

Iraqi officials at the time appear to have taken the offer seriously and asked the Pakistanis for sample drawings as proof of their ability to deliver, the documents show. "With the assurance of [Iraqi intelligence agency] Mukhabarat . . . the offer is not a sting operation," an Iraqi official scrawls in ink in the margin of one of the papers.

Khan's alleged interest in selling nuclear secrets to Hussein has been reported in numerous books and news articles. An internal Mukhabarat memo that surfaced in the late 1990s discussed a secret proposal by one of Khan's agents to sell a nuclear weapons design for an advance payment of $5 million.

But the newly uncovered documents suggest that Khan's offer of nuclear assistance was more comprehensive than previously known. A 1990 letter attributed to a Khan business associate offered Iraq a chance to leap past technical hurdles to acquire weapons capability.

"Pakistan had to spend a period of 10 years and an amount of 300 million U.S. dollars to get it," begins one of the memos. "Now, with the practical experience and worldwide contacts Pakistan has developed, you could have A.B. in about three years' time and by spending about $150 million." "A.B." was understood to mean "atomic bomb," ……………………..

Washington Post

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 10 Mar 2010 20:45

For once, decisive and firm action on part of GOI re our Afghan strategy:
India to scale down Afghan operations after attacks

India is looking at scaling down operations of its missions in Afghanistan in the wake of terror attacks on Indians. The sources also said an advisory may be issued asking all Indians in the country to return home.

Now, one may not like the decisions or the promptness and firmness displayed in enacting them but so what, one deals with it.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 10 Mar 2010 21:01

Does anyone know when that pakistani delegation to Washington DC arrive and when it departed DC? Did they actually return back from the airport or did they enjoy massa hospitality and return back and create a ruckus?

Or did they arrive at some other airport and enjoyed massaland, and when they had to visit DC balked at the prospect of scanners and decided to play brave?

BTW OT for this thread,
but there was a news report of SRK on a visit to UQ having to go through the body scanner. There were some wimmen manning the X ray machine, and they brought out a few printouts (of him) and asked him to sign them. Apparantly he was unsure and he signed those scans thinking this was some new security protocol. Turned out they were autograph hunters onlee.

I wonder if they got him in the buff with his autographs to boot.

(Now imagine if something similar had happened to SRK here in india. He would have raised a big halla. But in foreign land, the high and mighty in India become pussies it seems)

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 10 Mar 2010 21:05

Does anyone have Irfan Husain's email id?

munna · Post by **munna** » 10 Mar 2010 21:12

Gagan wrote:BTW OT for this thread,
but there was a news report of SRK on a visit to UQ having to go through the body scanner. There were some wimmen manning the X ray machine, and they brought out a few printouts (of him) and asked him to sign them. Apparantly he was unsure and he signed those scans thinking this was some new security protocol. Turned out they were autograph hunters onlee.
(Now imagine if something similar had happened to SRK here in india. He would have raised a big halla. But in foreign land, the high and mighty in India become pussies it seems)

Gaganji thats a rumour in the class of "All Astronauts have secretly converted after going into space". The body scanners do not have printers (pivacy issues) linked to them and the images are not stored. SRK is trying his usual marketing gimmicks for another one his pathetic flicks.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 10 Mar 2010 21:22

NikhilB wrote:http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... -030-zj-06

Note- not sure whether this is correct thread but as artcile is published in pakistani newspaper thought to put it here. I think this is opinion of moderate and liberal pakistanis about India.

Your post is indicative of India's cowardly impotence with respect to TSP. And I don't mean anything personal. I mean, why the f$%^k should India pay any attention to what a TSP RAPE moron says? The only TSP RAPE I will ever pay any attention to would be someone who has the courage and honesty to say that all their anti-India whining is just plain jealousy, and while on the one hand they point to pitfalls, and on the other, their singular neurotic obsession has been to destroy India, which they could not, at least until now. If a TSP RAPE can honestly introspect about this, then he deserves a place in my consciousness, or else, even a skunk has more worth in my eyes.

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 10 Mar 2010 21:26

shiv wrote:Does anyone have Irfan Husain's email id?

Based on this archived collection of his articles at Dawn : http://www.dawn.com/weekly/mazdak/arc-mazdak.htm

Up to 26 June 2004 : [email protected]

From 26 June 2004 to February 11, 2009 (most likely even now) : [email protected]
based on this article as of 20 Feb, 2010 : Secrets, spies and lies by Irfan Husain

Hiten · Post by **Hiten** » 10 Mar 2010 21:26

a recent hamid gul interview

http://pkaffairs.com/playshow.asp?pageId=7797