Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Apr. 11, 2010

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 26 Apr 2010 22:10

Rangudu wrote:
The only good news is that a punch-drunk Kayani will likely say no to everything MMS puts on the table short of flying the green flag over the Red Fort.

I doubt he will be that brazen becasue right now he has to please US as this surrender by MMS is taking place under US tutelage, and he wouldn't want to jeopardize that by resosrting to the usual TSP baiting of India.

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 26 Apr 2010 22:13

CRamS wrote:I doubt he will be that brazen becasue right now he has to please US as this surrender by MMS is taking place under US tutelage, and he wouldn't want to jeopardize that by resosrting to the usual TSP baiting of India.

Did you miss the last few months when the same dynamic was going on? Kayani is under no pressure by the US to do anything for MMS.

He's likely to respond to Sharm-e-Bhutan with blasts in Indian cities.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 26 Apr 2010 22:36

Sum-ji

Absolutely. MMS is a disgrace and the worst PM we have had in a long time, considering some of the worthies such as Shri Gowda who occupied that chair, it takes some doing. Talking of MMS's lovefest being scuttled by the IA and others. You may recall the talk of Siachen being demilitarized and India withdrawing from its hard held positions based on Pakistani claims that it would do likewise - that was another one of MMS's brilliant attempts. The IA was shocked, given the proclivity of the Paks a la Kargil to routinely break all treaties and verbal or otherwise agreements. After severe pressure via media leaks, this person backed down. Recent statements by Kasauri also indicate how narrowly we missed yet another setup thanks to this statesman, namely, the "demilitarization" of Kashmir in line with the open borders dream of this amazing PM that we have. One can imagine how many more IMuj/LeT cells would prop up with such measures. You may recall the last great initiative as well, wherein Paks who had come for cricket, disappeared.

Another huge issue for him is that he loathes the opposition thanks to a case of identity politics and in the past has gone out of his way to reject whatever policies they came up with, and it has taken a lot of effort to even have him cooperate with them on national issues. Compare and contrast to the pragmatic behaviour of Shri Chidambaram. Who, by the way, is currently in the cross hairs as he has taken on the Maoist issue all by himself. Kindly see in the coming days how he is also cut down to size, lest he pose a challenge to the statesman. Very sad thing for India, that it is now facing horrific challenges in terrorism and it has such a person as Shri MMS at the helm.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 26 Apr 2010 23:06

Open Letter to UN
Paki Legislator writes to UN over blockade of Pak water by India

Pakjabi, all the way! First the usual ingrate platitudes worthy of a deranged paki (is that a redundant phrase?):

as an anguished Pakistani

desirous of lasting peace

only devastation looms on the horizon.

Pining for peace between the neighbours

stark reality which stares us in the face now that of a parched Pakistan.

The relationship between rivers in the Subcontinent and her people is as old as the history of humanity.

These rivers have also hosted once mighty civilizations

they are custodians of our history.

Flowing since time immemorial, our rivers have been close to our people’s hearts and souls

Then he breaks off into a self-serving but conjured-up sense of history mixed with geography....

Serving as holy waters in India to being the claviger of love and romance of the folk tales in Punjab, only love has flown through the rivers of the Subcontinent.

From dreamy eyed lovers yearning for the beloved on the banks of the great Chinab to the fabled khagga fish of the river Ravi, people have connected to the rivers in folklore and songs since centuries.

The mighty Sindhu, figured in the Rig Vedas, identified as the father of rivers, sadly, today faces destruction at the hands of India, which derives her name from the Indus.

Having, fathered the largest and one of the oldest civilizations of the world sprawling an area of 350,000sqkm, Sindhu or the Indus is also the world’s heritage

There you have it folks. When a paki stoops to the level of claiming legal precendence in the Rg Ved (a kufr document) to state his case and serve his cause, then you know how desperate the situation must be in his land for the only pure.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 26 Apr 2010 23:12

Taliban free two kidnapped Chinese engineers

“The Chinese engineers were freed on the intervention of local elders and national intelligence organisations,”

The question that begs to be asked is: If the "national intelligence organisations" can intervene to free two kidnapped chinese engineers, why can they not intercede to free two of their own best and the brightest? I wonder what the chinese government said to the pakis to have them jump through the hoops for this swift action?

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 26 Apr 2010 23:14

Karachi only mega-city with polio

Karachi is the only ‘mega-city’ in the world with an ongoing circulation of the polio virus, according to an EPI Pakistan report. Only one case of polio was detected in Sindh in 2010 — from Gulshan-e-Iqbal Town, Karachi. The report said that lack of accountability was leading to persistent performance gaps in a few key areas of routine immunisation and polio campaigns. One of the outcomes of the performance gaps was said to be the outbreak of measles in Karachi.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 26 Apr 2010 23:15

The Djinn Effect

An ‘exorcist’ who allegedly raped young girls on the pretext of ridding them of Djinns, was caught and beaten up on Sunday by the residents of Orangi Town.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 26 Apr 2010 23:17

The fellow just wants to steal the water. He will quote anything to get that. Besides Takiya allows that.

So no change in attitudes.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 26 Apr 2010 23:18

Cousin marriages

I know about two villages of Hazara Division where the inhabitants have immune deficiency primarily caused by cousin marriages. Although precise figures are not available, one can estimate that the number of people having health problems on account of cousin marriages might run into millions in Pakistan.

Johann · Post by **Johann** » 26 Apr 2010 23:24

Khalid Khwaja's "confessing" to working for the CIA during the Lal Masjid confrontation (ancient history for everyone other than the Pakiban) is very much part of Global Jihad's "You are with us or against us" message to everyone in the PA establishment and their parapolitical operatives who try to play it both ways.

The LeT has remained loyal to the PA in part because its communal constituency, the Ahle Hadith are so small. Despite very generous support from Gulf (both native and expatriate) they can not operate at the level that they do without consistent state support, and that means consistent quid pro quo.

The Deobandis are a very different case. The Deobandi movement, both Pakjabi and Pashtun is not anchored in the PA's brand of Islamic nationalism (since they reject nationalism of any kind) but is thriving nevertheless, and they are not financially dependent on PA patronage.

Global jihadis and their supporters from around the world have provided steadfast support to the Deobandis, while the PA has blown hot and cold, and often bloodily betrayed them. Why *wouldn't* the Deobandi tanzeems embrace global jihad?

Sections of the ISI cooperating with the US drone programme have sowed *enormous* paranoia within the Pakiban. They simply do not know whom they can trust within the PA, and this will mean that it will get harder for them to fully utilise their cadre of sympathisers within the PA, thereby reducing the strains on PA internal cohesion. Ironically, this is in many ways exactly where the PA found itself in relation to the Pakiban over the last 24 months! If you want what is bad for the PA, then you want the Pakiban confident, and winning the counter-intelligence war penetrating the PA and turning it in on itself. That is also the best way to strain the PA's relationship with the US.

The PA whether it likes it or not has a choice - either consistently back the forces of jihad, or expend the blood and the ink required to re-establish physical and ideological control over these groups and the territory they control.

Can the PA do it? Only if the Deobandi tanzeems/Pakiban overstep themselves and alienate the populations they're exercising power and influence over.

The ISI could find ways to smooth the rise of particularly dogmatic and vicious commanders and ideologues (for example by enabling US predators to hit the more ones who are both committed and pragmatic), while using US money to buy off any potential opportunists. This would be a high risk option, and it would be *very* socially (and economically) destructive to Pakistan, and tie down the PA's forces even more.

Johann · Post by **Johann** » 26 Apr 2010 23:28

anupmisra wrote:Taliban free two kidnapped Chinese engineers

“The Chinese engineers were freed on the intervention of local elders and national intelligence organisations,”
The question that begs to be asked is: If the "national intelligence organisations" can intervene to free two kidnapped chinese engineers, why can they not intercede to free two of their own best and the brightest? I wonder what the chinese government said to the pakis to have them jump through the hoops for this swift action?

The kidnapping was in Afghanistan, and the person quoted is the local governor, so presumably he is speaking of Afghanistan's intelligence agencies.

surinder · Post by **surinder** » 26 Apr 2010 23:33

Johann,

You have written beautiful icisive insight, but I am afraid I cannot make head and tail of it. Can you explain the scenarios in a more simple language and terminology?

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 26 Apr 2010 23:41

anupmisra wrote:Open Letter to UN
Paki Legislator writes to UN over blockade of Pak water by India
Pakjabi, all the way! First the usual ingrate platitudes worthy of a deranged paki (is that a redundant phrase?):
There you have it folks. When a paki stoops to the level of claiming legal precendence in the Rg Ved (a kufr document) to state his case and serve his cause, then you know how desperate the situation must be in his land for the only pure.

We should tell Paki Logs that we cant go against the Rg Veda and since Pakis are so culturally, spiritually wedded to the river water , we promise to provide the Holy water for Paki last rites and not deprive them of their right to die waiting for water and Huurs.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 26 Apr 2010 23:51

Johann wrote:The kidnapping was in Afghanistan, and the person quoted is the local governor, so presumably he is speaking of Afghanistan's intelligence agencies.

Oh, then its the good tellibunnies.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 27 Apr 2010 00:22

Looks like our favorite Jernail Ashphuck is getting an extension. First there is psyops article http://www.thenews.com.pk/print1.asp?id=236031 Look how in the middle of fawning GUBO-fest for the Jernail he innocuously inserts

However, one did notice among the officers to whom one spoke, concern that if he was to depart when his term is up in November the measures that he has set in motion may lose their momentum. “He should stay and see them through,” one spirited colonel said very emphatically.

Shahbaz today came out and said "Kayani will make sure that there is no conspiracy from the intelligence agencies against democracy

" Expect the good Jernail to be offered an extension after quick consultation with Unkil (any visits scheduled?). The only holdouts are the fence sitting Gilani and the PPP.

I on the other hand sorely miss Musharraf. He was good news to us, shot his mouth off, screwed his army over. Kayani gives me a bad feeling. He has mordernized the army, put them firmly in the drivers seat, deflected public anger on them. Paki army is slowly gaining in capability & confidence...

Sen_K · Post by **Sen_K** » 27 Apr 2010 01:31

Apologies if this has been posted earlier.

In a revelation likely to add to their suspicions, however, a former foreign minister, Ali Akbar Velayati, was quoted as telling a newspaper that Iran obtained its first centrifuge from Pakistan in 1986.
It was Iran's first public confirmation of a clandestine transfer of nuclear technology specifically from Pakistan, which itself had already acknowledged the nuclear sales.

Velayati, Iran's former foreign minister, said he flew in a private plane to Islamabad to personally receive Iran's first centrifuge.

''I think it was in 1986 when we traveled to Pakistan on a private plane. We were told there was a mission that I had to take to Iran. We took it to Iran and later learned that it was a centrifuge. ... We didn't tell Pakistani authorities about it,'' Velayati was quoted as saying by the weekly Panjereh.

After years of denials, Pakistan admitted in 2005 that its top nuclear scientist, Abdul Qadeer Khan, sold crucial equipment to Iran, but it said it knew nothing of his activities when they occurred.
Iran has in the past confirmed that it purchased nuclear equipment from international dealers, including some from the Indian subcontinent, but Velayati's revelation was the first public acknowledgment that Iran obtained its first centrifuge machine from Pakistan.

Velayati, now a top adviser to Iran's Surpeme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, said he didn't meet Khan in person but that the disgraced father of Pakistan's nuclear bomb ''didn't have any unpleasant opinion about Iran.''

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 27 Apr 2010 01:32

the stage is being set for kiyanahi to take over from gilanahi, zardie is already toast

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 27 Apr 2010 01:35

Surinder:

Briefly, the Pakistani Army (PA) has lost control of its jihadis. Either the PA can back jihad unconditionally (let the tail wag the dog) or the PA can try to reassert control over them.

The Ahle Hadith jihadis - the LeT - have a small native constituency and so are more reliant on PA support. Hence they can be reined in.

The Deobandis have a huge and committed constituency and are very little reliant on PA support. If the PA takes on the Deobandi jihadis directly it will cost the PA a lot in blood and treasure.

The alternative is for the PA to try to weaken the Deobandi jihadis by alienating the Deobandi jihadi leadership from its base. It could do this by eliminating the "moderate-pragmatic" commanders and letting vicious types rise to the top, and maybe their excesses will alienate their base of support.

Because of some PA-US cooperation, the jihadis do not know which sections of the PA they can trust; so they may stop relying on the PA. This may reduce internal dissension in the PA - because PA jihadi sympathizers are not being asked to spy on the other PA folks. If the jihadis instead penetrate the PA, then the divided loyalties of the PA will be bad for the PA and for PA-US relations.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 27 Apr 2010 01:54

To add to A-Gupta's translation, the PA is mainly comprised of Deobandi school adherents.They have invested a lot of effort in building the system for greater goals.

The houbara will run if the other hardliners/Pakiban faction in the PA make a grab of the nukes.

Johann · Post by **Johann** » 27 Apr 2010 03:26

Hi A Gupta,

That is probably how I should have written my post in the first place! Thank you!

Ramana,

The PA is not particularly committed to any one brand of Islam - they have used and abused all of them, from the Muslim-Brotherhood style JI under Qazi Hussain Ahmed, to the Deobandi Tabligh Jamaat, the Ahle Hadith LeT, etc.

The PA as an institution places itself above any sect or creed within Islam, and that is what it demands of its senior officers as well. When they embrace some Islamic organisation it is to the degree that these organisations can do something useful for the PA.

Is Hamid Gul a Deobandi? Ahle Hadith? JI style Ikhwani? Plain traditional Hanafi Sunni? I don't think its a meaningful question. Gul and the other Ziaists detest those within the PA and in the Pakistani establishment who bow down under American and international pressure, and curb the jihadis, but they still put the interests of the PA first, and seem to believe that is what it means to be a real Pakistani nationalist.

What makes the Deobandis different is the extent to which they have been to do is subvert traditional PA loyalism and ideas of what it means to be a patriotic Pakistani. It is probably the greatest internal ideological challenge the PA has ever faced.

Hamas is Islamist, but it still believes in the nation-state, so long as it uses Islamic symbols and rhetoric. The JI's interlinked history with the Muslim Brotherhood is one of the reasons they became so close to the PA as the PA took on those Islamic symbols and rhetoric in the 1970s and 80s. However the Muslim population of the Subcontinent is overall *much* more traditional, and much less educated than the Muslims of the Mediterranean (Palestine, Egypt, Syria, Tunisa, etc) where the MB was born and flourished. The JI just didnt have the mass appeal and reach of the Deobandis.

Al Qaeda does not believe in the nation-state, and neither does the Pakiban. For the Deobandis the purpose of Pakistan can not be protecting the interests of the Pakistani elite, or even the material interests of the Pakistani general population; it has to be the advancement of 'pure' Islam.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 27 Apr 2010 03:35

US drone strike kills eight in North Waziristan: officials
http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... -officials

A US drone attack killed eight militants in Pakistan's northwest tribal badlands on Monday, targeting Al-Qaeda and Taliban-linked groups for the second time in 48 hours. Security officials said three US missiles struck a compound in the Khushali Toorkhel area, about 25 kilometres (15 miles) east of Miranshah, North Waziristan's main town. "The target was a militant compound belonging to followers of a local rebel commander Haleem Khan," a senior Pakistani security official told AFP, asking not to be named. "Eight militants were killed and several others sustained injuries in the strike," another security official told AFP. Security officials said most of the dead were militants from the Mehsud tribe in neighbouring South Waziristan, from which top leaders and many foot soldiers in Pakistan's main Tehreek-e-Taliban faction are drawn. Officials said that Khan, the local rebel commander, was not among the dead. He is believed to have ties to Taliban-linked Afghan warlord Hafiz Gul Bahadur, who is reputed to control up to 2,000 fighters in the region who stage attacks over the border against foreign forces stationed in Afghanistan.

( There is picture of Amazonian Madam Mazari riding the Drona Bird)

jrjrao · Post by **jrjrao** » 27 Apr 2010 04:28

After reading this, Mogambo Khush Hua ! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWS40XEePEE)

India holds grip on Afghan provinces
by
Mahmood Afridi

PESHAWAR: After American invasion of Afghanistan tribal people of Pakistan had never imagined that one day they would be facing Indian brutalities as they never thought that their Afghan brothers would turn their back on them as during Russian invasion these tribals offered whatever they had from shelter to food etc and even joined Jihad shoulder to shoulder with their Pakhtun brothers and paid heavy human casualties.

After Afghan invasion by Americans things started moving from better to worse in tribal areas. Today most of the tribal area is burning and the flames are even reaching other parts of the country. This killer set of mind is after our innocent cititzens blood. Pakistan is suffering from decades old sectarian violence but now we are witnessing blasts in every corner of the country, from schools to markets. Even funeral prayers are not being spared and targeted which is not even Afghan tradition.

India has started Bollywood style campaign and taken over the most important intelligentsia called RAM which used to be called KHAD previously. RAM is headed by Amrullah Saleh who is Tajik and deputy Engineer Mohammed Ibrahim has joined arms with their Indian counterpart.
Recently, an ex-governor of Paktika has been promoted and given the post of provisional dets chief. He is Pakhtun and called Abdul Katawazi. The three most closest provinces of Afghanistan near our border also have Indian advisors and their governors, Police Chiefs (IGP) and provisional head of RAM are receiving advice and without Indian approval they are as helpless as Karzai administration in front of Americans.

Sources close to the administration revealed that Ghazni has Indian adviser called Kumar son of Arun and his passport number is H3900114. He only guides governor Dr Mohammed Usman, Police chief Khyalbaz Sherzai and the most closest of RAM head of Ghazni Haji Mohammed Zaman, who is also Tajik.

Nangarhar province has an Indian adviser called Sharma son of Jaipal. He has a passport bearing number E5741032. He holds daily meetings with governor Gul Agha Sherazi, police chief Ayub Solangi and RAM provincial head Abdul Sabur.

In Kunar is Pednekar son of Utayankush with passport number G9940011 and his closest colleagues are governor Saeed Fazullah Wahidi and police chief Abdul Jalal and RAM head of Kunar Jamiullah.

All these three provinces have great impact on Pakistan as their population is Pakhtun and Kunar and Nangarhar are touching Pak-Afghan border. Ghazni falls after Paktika while going from Pakistan towards Kabul. The posting of Indians in our border area clearly shows that most of the insurgency occurring in Pakistan has direct link with Delhi.

The residents of these areas are still the poorest and locals depend on Pakistani food items. Why India is so much interested in sending advisers to Afghanistan? Can’t the Afghans have their own brains and know how to run the administration, one local said. This is not only happening in these three provinces. Even Karzai has an Indian adviser equal to additional secretary level. Many Indians are in Kabul administration. A local resident of Jalalabad told The Frontier Post that President Karzai should ask Indian prime minister when he arrives in Delhi today (Monday) to take their advisers back as Afghans are independent nation and they know how to run a country if his chosen team is dumped then he should bring right people for the job. He further asked how could an Indian know “our traditions they are here only to destabilise Pakistan”.

http://thefrontierpost.com.pk/News.aspx ... s&nid=1161

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 27 Apr 2010 05:11

What is with the putting out of passport numbers in the article? What is the significance, for them or us?

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 27 Apr 2010 05:34

ISI behind Frenchmen death?

For the past seven years, French investigators have suspected that Islamist terrorists of being behind the Karachi attack. Now an entirely different and hugely compromising scenario is emerging. “There was a terrorist act in which French citizens were killed,” said Morice, a lawyer acting on behalf of the victims' families. “The motive, however, was not Islamic terrorism at all but revenge for the fact that France did not pay commissions it had pledged to pay.”Today, Mr. Morice said President Sarkozy, who was then Minister for the Budget and in that capacity gave the deal the green light, bore a heavy burden of responsibility. “Mr. Sarkozy is at the heart of this corruption scandal that has cost the lives of several Frenchmen,” said Mr. Morice in a radio interview.

http://beta.thehindu.com/news/internati ... 410979.ece

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 27 Apr 2010 05:42

The kidnapped
( Hope the ghost of Daniel Pearl keep "sharp" eye on them)

Col Imam and Khwaja must have felt that the militants posed no threat to them due to their past association with jihadi and Taliban groups. The name of Usman Punjabi has been mentioned as someone with whom Khwaja was in touch before heading for North Waziristan. It was a trap and now they are paying the price for their poor judgement. Times have changed and a new generation of militants has emerged that is suspicious of anyone linked to the Pakistan Army or the ISI. They have now taken on the Pakistani state and the military for siding with the US in the 'war on terror'. Besides, they would have known that Col Imam and Khwaja sympathised with the Afghan Taliban for fighting against foreign occupying forces and had little sympathy for the Pakistani Taliban who were killing their own soldiers and policemen and were exploding bombs in cities.

This incident highlighted the complexity of the North Waziristan situation. The Punjabi Taliban and other groups are able to operate there with help from local militants. Hafiz Gul Bahadur wants outside militants to get out of North Waziristan as their presence could force Pakistan's security forces to take action against them. He appears helpless to expel the Mahsud militants who took refuge with their allies in North Waziristan after escaping the military operation in South Waziristan. The US pressure on Pakistan Army to move into North Waziristan in a big way is mounting as it is keen that foreign militants, particularly the Haqqani network, is denied the use of Pakistani space for launching attacks in Afghanistan. Eventually, the Pakistani military would have to do something about North Waziristan to deny its use as a sanctuary for militants. For now, though, this cannot happen as 150,000 soldiers are still busy fighting a difficult battle in the tribal areas and trying to stabilise the situation in places like Swat. There seems to be shortage of troops and resources even to rid Orakzai and Khyber tribal regions of militants or maintain a sustained presence in South Waziristan. The battle for North Waziristan would have to wait. And even if it is won there is no guarantee that militancy would be overcome to win durable peace.

http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=236217

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 27 Apr 2010 05:55

tsriram wrote:What is with the putting out of passport numbers in the article? What is the significance, for them or us?

Because "Kumar, son of Arun" could be a figment of some doubting Thomas' imagination. Hence, to prove his point, the author has detailed a list of passport numbers which can be independently verified by any mango abdul in the land of the fair and pure.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 27 Apr 2010 06:15

Sources close to the administration revealed that Ghazni has Indian adviser called Kumar son of Arun and his passport number is H3900114. He only guides governor Dr Mohammed Usman, Police chief Khyalbaz Sherzai and the most closest of RAM head of Ghazni Haji Mohammed Zaman, who is also Tajik.

Nangarhar province has an Indian adviser called Sharma son of Jaipal. He has a passport bearing number E5741032. He holds daily meetings with governor Gul Agha Sherazi, police chief Ayub Solangi and RAM provincial head Abdul Sabur.

In Kunar is Pednekar son of Utayankush with passport number G9940011 and his closest colleagues are governor Saeed Fazullah Wahidi and police chief Abdul Jalal and RAM head of Kunar Jamiullah

^^ Funny all the three names are the surnames and not the first name of the RAA Agent. What ! The idiotic Paki could not scan the passports properly and in a rush got only Daddy's name and got surnames from there.

PS: What is Bollywood style campaign ?

negi · Post by **negi** » 27 Apr 2010 06:28

Utayankush

?

amdavadi · Post by **amdavadi** » 27 Apr 2010 06:47

Pakis are funny. They like anything with name kumar & singh....Didnt we have ram singh & amar singh name come up.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 27 Apr 2010 07:15

IMO nothing in the recent news about the Col Imam Terror and Khalid Khuja suggests that their kidnap is real - it is a drama.

As of now nothing solid emerged about the demands their captors are making. Why are they making their kidnap/kill a process instead of an event?

Secondly, I didn't quite understand the significance of the british filmmaker cum journalist. $10M ransom and his "britishness" is clearly to provide more media attention but that is not enough for his kidnap. We need to know who that $hit is.

Thirdly, initial assessment of quite a people may be right in the ball park - that their kidnap may be a ploy to secure "release" of #2 if ever they were "caught."

Further, if these mofos are released, Pakis will have "showcased" (sustaining the perception) that they have hold over Tali/Pakibans.

To review any of the above, at least one or both of these pigs needs to meet their creator. Until then the “drama part” looks most plausible explanation.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 27 Apr 2010 07:46

Pakistanis Living on Brink, and Too Often in the Dark

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/27/world ... ahore.html

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 27 Apr 2010 08:01

The Problem with Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa

http://afpak.foreignpolicy.com/posts/20 ... _in_a_name

Johann · Post by **Johann** » 27 Apr 2010 08:07

The USG and NATO couldn't care less if the Pakiban put Khwaja and Imam's heads on pikes. Their situation gives the PA absolutely no leverage with the Americans.

If Khwaja and Imam are somehow willing hostages, then the audience of this theatre is much more likely to be Kiyani and the Pakistani security establishment, not the West.

Asad Qureshi, the 'UK journalist' is a freelancer, who has produced one episode on the Swat valley for BBC Panorama, and who has been professionally based in Pakistan rather than the UK for a number of years. His ties to the PA appear to be far stronger than to the international press corps. Tragic as his death may be, it will not have much of an impact in the US or UK.since he's not a salaried reporter for a British television station or newspaper. Even a senior Pakistani journalist like say Ahmad Rashid who is well known in the West would count for more than this guy.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 27 Apr 2010 08:16

For a moment let us assume the kidnappings are fake. What would these two worthless must be doing?

Would their black ops be Massa-centric or India-centric?

Does anyone see a pattern among these kidnappings, the Paki demands for talks, PC and IA warnings, SAARC summit etc?

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 27 Apr 2010 08:37

http://www.thepakistaninewspaper.com/ne ... p?id=16501
Mushy step close to Khudkashi, Did he save the last bullet used in Dictator step72

LONDON, Apr 26: The British government has decided to withdraw expensive security contingent containing 3-4 Scotland Yard officers, an armoured car and any protocol to the former president, Pervez Musharraf, The News has learnt. The British government’s decision follows the release of United Nations inquiry report on the assassination of Benazir Bhutto in December 2007 in a bomb attack in Rawalpindi. The UN report lambasted the former dictator and the security agencies for failing to provide adequate security to Benazir Bhutto after her return to Pakistan when the danger to her life from the militants was obvious. The UN report also singled out Interior Minister Rehman Malik and Dr Babar Awan for abandoning the martyred leader at the murder scene. Before his resignation, President Musharraf had purchased a luxury apartment in the heart of central London on famous Edgware Road, also known as Little Arabia for the rich Arabs throng the area to enjoy luxuries and carefree lifestyle, and has been living here since he left Pakistan with his wife Begum Sehba Musharraf. Musharraf had brought with him his most trusted Special Services Group (SSG) for a full-time security duty. In the initial months, serving and retired Army officer of major and colonel rank were deputed with him, but the military quietly decided to pull the serving officer out of the security detail. Highly credible sources toldThe News the British government has decided not to extend the visas of the retired SSG men, who were shadowing Musharraf everywhere. The sources said the SSG men were Musharraf’s most trusted and he would feel incredibly insecure and paranoid without their protection. In a further blow, the sources said, Pervez Musharraf will no more have the security contingent, armoured car or any protocol provided by the British government. Speaking to Geo television, Musharraf’s spokesman advocate Fawad Chaudhry denied the reports, saying the former president is provided with vehicle and security when required

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 27 Apr 2010 08:44

Johann wrote:Their situation gives the PA absolutely no leverage with the Americans.

I diagree. What's the Paki rationale for arresting #2, #3 etc? Did it give Pak leverage or not? IMO it greatly did as they have secured Pakistan central role in future negotiations.

this "kidnap" perpetrates the same (assuming that the arrested taliban gang is in full control of Pak). Pak gets the leverage that they will have to let loose those arrested taliban leadership to secure these ex-james bonds. They can actually release both parties with fair amount of ammo in the free jungle of Afghanistan to kick some unkil butt.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 27 Apr 2010 08:45

Prem wrote:Mushy step close to Khudkashi, Did he save the last bullet used in Dictator step72

Lambost time?

any how .....

First probe against a serving general begins wrote: Benazir investigation
ISLAMABAD/RAWALPINDI: In the first-ever probe of its kind into the possible role of a senior serving army officer in elimination of evidence of a serious crime, the three-member committee constituted to determine whether the then Director General of Military Intelligence (MI), Major General Nadeem Ijaz, gave orders for hosing down of Ms Benazir Bhutto’s assassination site, has started preliminary work.

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 27 Apr 2010 10:12

Can't India employ some chankian means to encourage French DDM to go all out on Karachi massacre to make it harder for France to justify any arms sales to Pakistan to its citizens?!

neeraj · Post by **neeraj** » 27 Apr 2010 13:49

http://cricket.rediff.com/report/2010/a ... iandad.htm

Former Pakistan captain Javed Miandad is not surprised by the mess the Indian Premier League finds itself in and wants the International Cricket Council to 'supervise' its organisation in future. what is wants to say is Indians should not control a multibillion dollar event - specially when they dont include pukistanis

Miandad said keeping in mind the huge stakes involved in the so called domestic event of the BCCI, the world governing body of the game must intervene.

"Just to say the IPL is a domestic event does not work. IPL has too much foreign participation and interest at stake. ICC Images must supervise its organization from now on," he said.

Miandad said that he was not surprised at the turn of events in the IPL or the suspension of its commissioner Lalit Modi.

"It is not surprising because when you allow a private enterprise to deal directly with players bypassing the boards there is always bound to be trouble. We all know what a great job PCB did - till recently headed by a lt. general.

"I have been saying from day one that the ICC can't allow any Board to operate such private enterprises without a proper system of check and balance," Miandad said.

He contended that by allowing the IPL to deal directly with players, a wrong trend was set.

"Who is there to stop Modi from telling a player, 'Your country pays you so much I will pay you thrice as much' and this leads to conflict of interest for the players." the problem is that no one paid pukis and thats the issue

The former Pakistan captain and coach said lot of hype was created around the IPL for a purpose but realistically it did nothing for the betterment of cricket. ie betterment of pukistani cricket

"Already there is so much T20 international cricket being played these days. Why should we have the IPL and one week later the World Cup? What is more important," he said.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 27 Apr 2010 13:51

^^^

Reminded me of a quote from Joseph Heller's catch 22

"He disapproved of loose women (who turned him down)"