Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 21, 2010

surinder · Post by **surinder** » 03 Jun 2010 20:23

If the lawyer is a Pathan, as the article claims, it is less likely that he was a Sikh, or a descendent of one. But nevertheles the fact remains that many influential families in Pakjab were converts from Sikhism and many continue to practice it secretly. But it is a matter of time before they will become as radicalized as Iqbal and Jinnah, descendents of Hindus just 2 generations away.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 03 Jun 2010 21:43

Someone please enlighten me about what the takleef is conducting a census in the land of the pure? Apparently the last census was conducted when the Quaid was still in his diapers.

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 03 Jun 2010 21:54

Map of Pacquistan as per Yawn, apart from POK, Aksai Chin also belongs to Pacquistaan

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 03 Jun 2010 22:07

A_Gupta wrote:A gesture of peace:
http://criticalppp.org/lubp/archives/12297

Khurshid Khan, an eminent 60-year-old lawyer and deputy attorney general of Pakistan, wants to “heal the wounds” of the terror-stricken minority Sikh community in that country.
So he does an extraordinary thing at a temple in the northwestern city of Peshawar.

Every day when he handles his work as a legal expert, Khan visits a Sikh temple in center of the city, wraps a piece of cloth around his head to show his respect, and sits in the doorway to shine the shoes of Sikhs, whose community has come under frequent attack by Taliban militants over the last few years.
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This guys likes to work with black a lot. By the looks of it this is the same guy who in September of 2007 threw black paint on the face of govt lawyer Ahmed Raza Kasuri’s face on Monday outside the Supreme Court building.

This article "Kasuri’s face sprayed with black paint" has a picture of his work on Mr. Kasuri's face. Mr. Kasuri was representing Mushy's govt in the case against the lawyers movement for the reinstatement of Justice Chaudhry and it seems as per the Wiki link was also instrumental in ZAB's hanging case.

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 03 Jun 2010 22:08

Pacqui , White Pacqui Bhai Bhai, more marsupial than platypus friendship on the cards

Despite the huge gap in the level of development between the two nations, there are marked similarities in basic resource environment of Australia and Pakistan.

The issue of improving presence of Pakistani manpower in aging Australia, however, did not make it to the discussion table.

George ruled out a revision in visa policy framework for Pakistani workers hoping for a job in Australia in the near future.

“There is a visa regime in place. The immigration framework is also available. No, we are not considering, at this point, to review it for Pakistanis wishing to work in any category in Australia or those who wish to migrate there,” he clarified categorically.

Alas! now the pure and the more pure can't cross swords over purity in the OZ outback. Paklurks, stop wet-dreaming about cleaning loos in OZ-land and get back to standing in the queue for Bakshish from Kerry-Lugar

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 03 Jun 2010 22:13

Mirza generally is used for descendents of mughals ie the highest caste of Indian mulims.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 03 Jun 2010 22:22

Bhima wrote:Pakistan rules out offensive against Punjab militants

So Rehman Malik was just doing taquiya

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 03 Jun 2010 22:27

Mahendra wrote:China involves Pak in cross-border trade to internationalize Yuan

Apologies if posted earlier

Boy we are going to be deluged with articles praising the taller than mountain friend for bestowing this honor on the momeens. Very soon we will hear how this currency swap will make pakis the next economic superpower along with XingXiang. and they will be bigger than EU (minus greece ofcourse) and with JF 17 bandar they will rule the whole world and loan yuan to IMF & WB with stringent conditions. I also hope that taller than mountain friend use the Dong Fang locomotives to haul their yuan via karakoram to the faithfuls. Plus now pakis will also have to find some one to make new dies to duplicate those yuan since that is the only export they are capable of unless chinese want terrorists. That they can supply anytime and that too the best at cheapest price in market.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 03 Jun 2010 22:28

Anujan wrote:Someone please enlighten me about what the takleef is conducting a census in the land of the pure? Apparently the last census was conducted when the Quaid was still in his diapers.

ok, there are some fundamental issues here

1. they dont have public school teachers to conduct census so only option is madrassa maulavi
2. next issue is madrassa math. 1 + 1 = 11.
3. chalo, lets imagine they found a madrassa scientist who can count till 100. Next issue is who will have balls to go to talibunnies and count their heads?
4. and the biggest problem is till then someone should convince the talibs not to carry sooside attacks. Its too confusing and hectic to start the counting all over again and again and again...

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 03 Jun 2010 22:32

Everything that Momeens need to know was printed in the holy book in year 700 AD so there is no need to gather any information that is not needed for faithfuls to attain jannat and their 72 raisins.

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 03 Jun 2010 22:41

I also hope that taller than mountain friend use the Dong Fang locomotives to haul their yuan via karakoram to the faithfuls. Plus now pakis will also have to find some one to make new dies to duplicate those yuan since that is the only export they are capable of unless chinese want terrorists. That they can supply anytime and that too the best at cheapest price in market.

Made my din, Thanks Good Bradmanji

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 03 Jun 2010 23:03

Vivek_A wrote:Uh-oh....the American conspiracy against Mr Shrill's car...

US diplomats still working on covert agenda
ISLAMABAD – Despite the Interior Ministry’s repeated tall claims of having cleared the country of unregistered diplomats and foreigners especially of US origin, the still ongoing overt and covert activities of US diplomats in Islamabad themselves are posing direct threat to the security of the US main ally in the war on terror.
This fact came to the fore Wednesday night when two US diplomats - one of them having expired Visa - hit the vehicle of Dr Tabish, the husband of Editor TheNation Dr Shireen Mazari, on Margalla Road, Sector F-7, and made a failed attempt to run away from the scene.
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Since some of you were interested here are more details on madam jalebi's spouse.

Professor Dr Tabish Hazir besides being madam jalebi's husband is also a renowned pediatrecian in Childrens Hospital in Islamabad. It seems he also works from his private practise. His picture and cv are in the link. He has researched and published on topics like childrens pnuemonia and on infant breast feeding.

Madam jalebi and this doc have a daughter Imaan Hazir who is still in school/junior college. This one is more like her famous mom and uses her mom's position to publish her opinion in the letters to the editor in "The News". There is a famous video of her arguing in a debate on TV whose link I can no longer find but had been posted by me in the past. She has once opined in an article that her mom was best suited to run TSP as its PM.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 03 Jun 2010 23:44

Anujan wrote:Someone please enlighten me about what the takleef is conducting a census in the land of the pure? Apparently the last census was conducted when the Quaid was still in his diapers.

I don't think there is any takleef.. census in the land of pure has actually been conducted per wiki artical :Census in Pakistan

The first Census after the Independence of Pakistan was conducted in 1951. It was decreed that censuses have to be carried out once every 10 years. ...... However the third one was conducted in 1972 because of war with India. .... The fifth census was delayed to March 1998 due to political issues.[1]

Pakistan's national census was schedulaed to take place in 2008[2] now it has been delayed to after Eid in 2009.[3]

James B · Post by **James B** » 03 Jun 2010 23:50

BijuShet wrote: Madam jalebi and this doc have a daughter Imaan Hazir who is still in school/junior college. This one is more like her famous mom and uses her mom's position to publish her opinion in the letters to the editor in "The News". There is a famous video of her arguing in a debate on TV whose link I can no longer find but had been posted by me in the past. She has once opined in an article that her mom was best suited to run TSP as its PM.

Here ...unlike ugly madam Jalebi this one is real jalebi

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 03 Jun 2010 23:54

No sign that I can see of the 2009 census on this Pakistani govt. web-page:
http://www.statpak.gov.pk/depts/pco/index.html

http://www.statpak.gov.pk/depts/pco/abo ... outus.html doesn't even mention the sixth census.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 04 Jun 2010 00:01

Friday declared sensitive in Lahore

We have declared Friday sensitive because most of the attacks occurred on that day, police official said.

saip · Post by **saip** » 04 Jun 2010 02:39

What do you know? The moment they announced that Friday is sensitive there was a blast in lahore!

http://www.geo.tv/6-3-2010/66110.htm

saip · Post by **saip** » 04 Jun 2010 02:55

A_Gupta wrote:No sign that I can see of the 2009 census on this Pakistani govt. web-page:
http://www.statpak.gov.pk/depts/pco/index.htmlu

http://www.statpak.gov.pk/depts/pco/abo ... outus.html doesn't even mention the sixth census.

According to first link the paki papis were 132,352,000 in 1998 and the growth rate between 1988 - 1998 was 2.69.
Now if the rate held at the same level there would be 182,000,000 papis now. But the site has projected a population of only 169,656,000 in 2010. To achieve that they have to bring the growth rate to below 2.1 which I dont think happened. So my estimate is 180,000,000 atleast.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 04 Jun 2010 04:19

^^^^
saip, you and the CIA

Must be a conspiracy

https://www.cia.gov/library/publication ... os/pk.html
177,276,594 (July 2010 est.)

World Bank gives the 2008 population as 166,111,487
http://data.worldbank.org/country/pakistan
and elsewhere, the annual growth rate as 2.1%
which makes it around 173 million now.

The UN Human Development Report
http://hdrstats.undp.org/en/indicators/136.html
gives Pakistan a population of 173 million in 2007 and a growth rate of 2.3%
i.e., around 185 million now.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 04 Jun 2010 05:27

shravan wrote:Friday declared sensitive in Lahore

We have declared Friday sensitive because most of the attacks occurred on that day, police official said.

Pacqui are getting free pass to Friday Night Smackdown. Instead of watching WWF , they get to live "WTF" ( not the usual one but Worldwide Terrorist Federation) every Friday. And Alhamdullah, its Friday tomorrow, the new screening of Nightmare on Lahore Street, starring Sunni Sons and Shia Puttars making the Salad of Sliced Ahmadi Aulad daring to breath in the citadel of Islam.

Rahul Shukla · Post by **Rahul Shukla** » 04 Jun 2010 05:29

Pakistan Central Bank Chief Quits Halfway Through Term (Wall Street Journal)

Pakistan's central bank governor resigned in early May, halfway through his three-year term and two days ahead of the federal budget announcement, the government said late Wednesday. Syed Salim Raza "submitted his resignation from the post of Governor on 6th May, 2010, citing personal reasons," the Finance Ministry said in a statement.

amdavadi · Post by **amdavadi** » 04 Jun 2010 05:31

WTF=wahabi truely faithful?
WTF=worldwide terrorist faithful....

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 04 Jun 2010 05:51

Neo-Islam
http://criticalppp.org/lubp/archives/12372

We never used to check each and every food label to ‘make sure its not made up of haram gelatin’. Our old traditional Islamic scholars opposed the creation of an Islamic State because they thought we could peacefully live with Hindus. We were wearing dhoti, patka, waistcoat, sherwani, shalwar qameez, dopata; dresses such as jilbab, hijab headscarf were alien to us.

We used to have statues at corners of most famous streets until late 1950s when a ‘neo-Muslim’ realised that these are ‘idols’. There were less mosques, less maulvis, less beards and buqah brigades but we were much better Muslims than what we have become today.

We never used to check or counter check every act, every statement and every moral under the close myopic eye of ‘Islam’.

But now every thing is different; you are not considered a Muslims until you hate Jews, Indians, Qadiyanis and Shiites. You are not a true Muslim until and unless you like Zakir Naik and accept him as a greatest preacher Islam has ever produced. You are not ‘Muslim’ if you don’t believe in global jihad, supremacy of Muslims, Muslims being the only rightful rulers of the world, Muslims being the most oppressed nation in the world.

This ‘Neo-Islam’ has utterly destroyed the very fabric of our society to its core. Now we are more ‘Muslim’ but less human. We have more mosques and mosque goers but lesser humanist morals. We now have people sitting on TV channels running programmes such as Aalim Online (often dubbed as Jahil Online), vomiting our Islamic myopic hatred left, right and centre, openly inciting one faith to attack the other.

Because of neo-Islam, Muslims are not safe in mosques, Imam bargahs and shrines, Christians are not safe in their homes, Ahemdis are killed every week, Sikhs are beheaded, Hindu girls are abducted, raped and then converted to ‘holy Islam’ and married to a ‘faithful’.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 04 Jun 2010 06:11

A_Gupta wrote: You are not a true Muslim until and unless you like Zakir Naik and accept him as a greatest preacher Islam has ever produced.

This is the danger part. This scholar sits inside India

archan · Post by **archan** » 04 Jun 2010 06:39

Pakistan Central Bank Chief Quits Halfway Through Term

Pakistan's central bank governor resigned in early May, halfway through his three-year term and two days ahead of the federal budget announcement, the government said late Wednesday.

Syed Salim Raza "submitted his resignation from the post of Governor on 6th May, 2010, citing personal reasons," the Finance Ministry said in a statement.

Raza's decision hinged on the fact that the government declined to offer him an extension in his post, a senior government official said Thursday.

Under the State Bank of Pakistan Act, no person over 65 years can hold the central bank's top job.

"Raza sent a request to amend the rule but it was rejected by the government," the official, who asked not to be named, told Dow Jones Newswires.

Feeling of entitlement.... ah, its such a paki thing. Don't think he had much of a job anyway; in order to manage a bank you gotta have money in it.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 04 Jun 2010 06:59

Paki census
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-182272777.html

The 1998 Census was delayed by seven years as it should have been held in 1991, following century-old tradition of holding decennial census in the year beginning with digit 1

The 1998 Census was the fifth nation-wide census to be held in Pakistan. The earlier censuses were held in 1951, 1961, 1972, and 1981. It was the British colonial administrators who started the tradition of holding nation-wide decennial censuses in the year beginning with digit 1. Regular censuses were held in British India from 1881 to 1941. Pakistan continued with this tradition and conducted its national censuses in 1951 and 1961. The 1971 census was postponed due to civil war leading to the separation of East Pakistan. But it was promptly held in the following year in 1972. The 1981 census was held on time in March 1981, preceded by the Housing Census in December 1980. The present author was the Census Commissioner at that time.
The next census was due in 1991. Adequate preparations were made. It is a standard operation in every census to conduct house listing before the actual detailed inquiry. Enumerators visit all the houses within their block, put a census number on the house, list the house number corresponding with the census number, and ask a broad question on the total number of persons staying in the house and record this number in their registers. These numbers showed absurd exaggeration, with 10 to 12 percent annual growth in many districts. The operation was called off and it was decided to proceed afresh.

Also read..

and in the 1981 census every attempt was made not to miss even the huts

Whaaa..?

Can you believe that!! The bakis called off the census because theye could not believe the numbers they were getting??

You can be sure teh last census was accepted because the numbers they put soundd good to them.WOW!!

There has been no 2001 census.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 04 Jun 2010 07:25

Inside the Haqqani network

http://afpak.foreignpolicy.com/posts/20 ... _network_0

Pakistan's Express Tribune reported this morning that the Haqqani network has begun what seems to be a "strategic retreat" to avoid military confrontation with Pakistani security forces, as U.S. pressure on Pakistan to go into their North Waziristan haven has risen.

Rahul Shukla · Post by **Rahul Shukla** » 04 Jun 2010 08:27

Preparing the American Invasion of Pakistan (Huffington Post)

That objective is to destroy the leadership of the Taliban and Al-Qa'eda. They believe they can't do that with drone strikes, or at least drone strikes alone... Basically, they're looking for an excuse to do something more than drone strikes in Pakistan.

The U.S. military is reviewing options for a unilateral strike in Pakistan in the event that a successful attack on American soil is traced to the country's tribal areas, according to senior military officials... The U.S. options for potential retaliatory action rely mainly on air and missile strikes, but could also employ small teams of U.S. Special Operations troops already positioned along the border with Afghanistan.

The Pakistani military supports the Taliban as part of its national security strategy, so even when they attack Taliban areas, they usually only succeed at displacing huge numbers of civilians while the Taliban flees, which creates enormous popular backlash. The military declares victory, pulls out, and the Taliban returns safely.

General Kayani gets to have it both ways. The Taliban are safe, while he still declares victory over the terrorists.

Is it really a difficulty that the army has struggled to overcome? Or is it going exactly according to plan? Are they not clearing at all, but rather "herding" the militants to safety? The editorial is right that geography is important here. Many of the militants in Orakzai have fled from recent operations in Waziristan. Now they are fleeing from one part of Orakzai to another, farther away from the northern tribal areas.

The Pakistani army is, apparently, pushing the militants away from the tribal areas and towards Balochistan, where the Taliban's Quetta Shura is based. The result is that even if the US invades the tribal areas, it still won't damage the military assets (the Taliban).

[Baloch Human Rights Council] has learnt through local sources and press statements of Baloch National Movement (BNM) central leadership that within the last couple of days there has been a significant movement of Pakistani troops in the area of district Gwadar and Dasht... Reports coming in from the area stated that the soldiers have complete control of the meager water resources and have blocked all access to the local population. The livestock has been confiscated in the service of the soldiers and a large number was slaughtered to starve the inhabitants. Sources mentioned that people are not allowed to leave their homes even in case of a medical emergency.

Here's the catch: Unlike the relatively autonomous Pakistanis in the tribal regions, the Pakistanis in Balochistan are so beat down and oppressed by the army that they would welcome a NATO presence (who they believe, foolishly, would help them fight for independence). But as we noted, the Taliban's all-important Quetta Shura is in Balochistan, so the Pakistani military can't have any American troops that close to a key military asset. So they instead "clear" Balochistan of "Islamic terrorists" (democratic Baloch dissidents, not Taliban) and remove it from American calculations.

What is the end result? The Pakistani military has effectively fortified the Quetta Shura, while paving the way for American invasion of North and South Waziristan, Pakhtunkhwa, etc. And just like Kayani, everyone gets to declare a fake victory. President Obama gets to look tough by cracking down on attacks from the tribal area, the Pakistanis can throw a fit and claim they already "cleared" those areas, we downplay the harm of the drone strikes (we're not cowards anymore), Kayani protects his state-sponsored terrorism program (the Taliban), the army has an excuse to viciously crush Baloch separatists, and even Al-Qa'eda itself will be rewarded with another propaganda victory, that of more American "crusaders" on Pashtun soil.

Who doesn't get to declare victory? Everybody else. American troop deaths will continue to skyrocket, American taxpayers will continue to pay for it as their economy crumbles, Pakistani civilians will be massacred by all sides, Pakistani democracy will continue to suffocate under military despotism, and the Taliban will still threaten the national security of countless nations, most notoriously nuclear-armed India.

ajit_tr · Post by **ajit_tr** » 04 Jun 2010 10:16

Former Anti-India Groups Now Turn Against Pak: Report

Militant groups like Jaish-e-Mohammd and Lashkar-e-Taiba that were originally set up by the Pakistani military to wage a proxy war against India have "slipped" from their control and are now allied with Taliban and al-Qaeda to overthrow the Pakistan government, a media report has said.

Pakistani Interior Minister, Rahman Malik, has admitted that extremist groups are entrenched in the southern portion of the nation's most populous province.

"They — Lashkar-e-Janghvi, the Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan and Jaish-e-Mohammad — are allies of the Taliban and al-Qaeda," Malik said

http://news.outlookindia.com/item.aspx?684163

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 04 Jun 2010 10:31

Malik is not a credible person.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 04 Jun 2010 10:47

ajit_tr wrote:Former Anti-India Groups Now Turn Against Pak: Report
http://news.outlookindia.com/item.aspx?684163

This report should be read carefully. It has Rehman Malik's statement, the author's opinion and the analysis of Western diplomats all freely mixed up to give the impression that Rehman Malik is accepting something that is truly exceptional.

On various occassions, the Pakistani Government has said that the LeJ and JeM terrorists have been embedded with the TTP. So, there is nothing new there, IMHO. I see the mention of SSP for the first time in that list. That is the only exception I see. May be that was done because it is now a known fact that Shehbaz Sharif has a close political alliance with the SSP in the Punjab. So, PPP is taking a pot shot at PML-N. This is all for political expediency. There is no real appreciation of any danger of Taliban takeover.

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 04 Jun 2010 10:47

BijuShet wrote: Madam jalebi and this doc have a daughter Imaan Hazir who is still in school/junior college. This one is more like her famous mom and uses her mom's position to publish her opinion in the letters to the editor in "The News". There is a famous video of her arguing in a debate on TV whose link I can no longer find but had been posted by me in the past. She has once opined in an article that her mom was best suited to run TSP as its PM.

Not to worry saar. The full vid is linked from the entry about Choti Jalebi and she appears after around 15:30 or so.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 04 Jun 2010 11:10

PC to visit Pakistan with the most-wanted list

Union home minister P Chidambaram, who will be travelling to Pakistan on June 25 and 26 for the Saarc home ministers meet, is likely to press Islamabad for action on the list of 40-odd terrorists and criminals wanted by India since 2000 but who, as per intelligence reports, continue to enjoy a safe sanctuary in Pakistan.

I know of a 7-year old school kid who is up to all sorts of mischief and when questioned by the teacher if he did that, simply says 'No' - nothing more and nothing less. There is no further conversation after his short reply.

Meanwhile, we wait with bated breath for our economy to grow ten times the size of Pakistan by circa 2025 when we can think of punishing our errant neighbour.

neeraj · Post by **neeraj** » 04 Jun 2010 12:02

Letter from a brainless paki
A brainwashed kid

I WAS shocked to learn the views of a 12-year-old cousin of mine when he termed the tragic incident of the killing of Ahmadiyas justified. He is a student at a religious school. When I asked him who told him that, he innocently replied his ‘Maulvi Sahib’.

What are these so - called religious teachers spreading? Who has given them the authority to justify a brutal act of terrorism? Who has taught them that killing of ‘the unfaithful’ (oh yes now u admit that they are unfaithful - implication here is that its ok to treat them badly but killing no no) is justified? Why don’t they follow the true spirit of Islam? Why don’t they study the life of our Prophet (PBUH)? Although I spent a good deal of time trying to explain to him that his maulvi was wrong, he did not seem to be satisfied. In fact, he seemed to be confused all the more.

God help us all, Aamen.
ABDUL RAUF Fateh Jang

ajit_tr · Post by **ajit_tr** » 04 Jun 2010 12:37

]Ahmadis plead for world help after Lahore killings

NEW YORK: A leader of the Ahmadi community pleaded Thursday for international pressure on Pakistan, warning that extremists were bent on wiping out the community after nearly 100 people were killed.

The Ahmadi community in the United States urged Pakistan to repeal laws restricting the community and to clamp down on hardline Sunni clerics, who it said have waged a campaign of incitement.

“The time is now for the world to wake up to the realisation that the goal of the extremist clerics is to execute a full-scale holocaust,” said Naseem Mahdi, the missionary-in-charge of the US Ahmadi community.

ajit_tr · Post by **ajit_tr** » 04 Jun 2010 12:54

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... -360-sk-02

“Coas’ visit to Orakzai Agency marks the successful conclusion of operations in the Agency,” according to an ISPR press release on Monday. This would have come as a surprise to many, and for different reasons. First, most Pakistanis were probably not even aware an operation had been under way in Orakzai, so low key have the military actions been in comparison to the high-profile operations in Swat and South Waziristan. Second, reports from the ground, scarce as they are, suggest that no such thing has happened, that operations are continuing and that in two of Orazkai’s three tehsils, central and upper, operations have not even begun yet.

Therein lies a great difficulty that the army has struggled to overcome: moving from the ‘clear’ phase of counter-insurgency to the ‘hold’ stage, so that the ground can be laid for the ‘build’ and ‘transfer’ stages. From Bajaur to Mohmand and Bara to FR Peshawar, the phenomenon has repeated itself: operations by security forces to clear out an area are deemed a ‘success’ only to see militants sneak back in the weeks and months that follow. Sometimes forces are withdrawn from one area to focus on another trouble spot, leaving a vacuum in the first area which is soon filled by militants, as has happened in FR Peshawar after security forces were sent from there to deal with militants in Kala Dhaka, Mansehra.

What also makes the claim about success in Orakzai doubtful is geography. The Khyber-Orakzai-Kurram border areas have long been centres of militancy. If Orakzai is clear, then by that logic the Tirah area in Khyber and the east of Kurram should be clear too. However, the evidence suggests otherwise. The army needs to clarify what the position in Orakzai Agency is and what can be expected in the weeks ahead.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 04 Jun 2010 13:08

Price of Political Failures - Seema Mustafa
She writes about the failure in India against the Naxals and compares it with a similar failure in Pakistan against the terrorists. In the end, she says:

There will be many here who will write angry letters on this column. Not because they disagree with what is said, but because of what they will see as an equation with Pakistan. {Aha . . . she seems to have received letters from angry BRFites} To pre-empt them let me point out, the equation is specific to the points made above and not generic. And until the two governments are able to recognise and understand the problem of homegrown terrorism in all its complex dimensions, they will not be able to tackle it. Failure to do so will be devastating for both.

arun · Post by **arun** » 04 Jun 2010 13:34

shravan wrote:Friday declared sensitive in Lahore

We have declared Friday sensitive because most of the attacks occurred on that day, police official said.

Surely it is an Un-Islamic act of maligning Islam to suggest that the Momin are somehow incited to violence on the Muslim Sabbath of Friday thereby calling for enhanced security measures!

Has the Lahore police force overnight deserted the Ummah and turned Kaafir?

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 04 Jun 2010 13:48

Rehman Malik is right onlee.
The ISI asking the Jihadi groups to create conditions so that the overthrow of the Zardari government is made possible is an ongoing project.

This might be simplified to say that the Jihadi groups are now conspiring to overthrow pakistan's government, and will not be far from the mark.

Weather the Jihadi groups are implementing their ultimate agenda of a Kilafa, with Pakistan at the center and with nuclear weapons is more like a matter of when, and not if. These groups will all ultimately take over Pakistan in a gradually purifying orgy of murder and mayhem, take control of the N bums. And no pakistan army general will dare to challenge their mission, any officer seeking to do this will be lynched by his own soldiers.

ajit_tr · Post by **ajit_tr** » 04 Jun 2010 14:05

Pak-India war in Afghanistan

The Pakhtun belt along the Pak-Afghan border has often been the scene of internal conflict after invading foreign forces have left the region. Historically, world powers have chosen the Pakhtun belt for their struggles for domination, such as Russia and Britain. Of late, the US and its allies and their Arab and non-Arab adversaries have also used Pakhtuns. Therefore, Pakhtuns are always divided into two opposing camps supported with money and arms by their respective supporters. War has become their business. They feel proud of defeating superpowers and preserving freedom and independence, though at the cost of blood, loss of property and lost generations of Pakhtuns.

All other international and regional players have had to leave the scene to quit the game, but India and Pakistan have had no pause since 1947. Because of Afghanistan's refusal to recognise Pakistan from day one due to the Durand Line issue and India's attempts to exploit this animosity, the proxy war has not come to an end. As against its treatment of other states in its immediate neighbourhood, India has been more generous to Afghanistan. Not for love of Afghans but because of its ambitions to use Afghanistan for settling scores with Pakistan. In response, the Pakistani establishment always looked at Afghanistan in the context of the country's animosity with India.

Any Afghan politician or ruler who was close to India became the enemy of Pakistan. During the Cold War, India always dominated the game, but after the Soviet withdrawal and the fall of the Najibullah regime in Kabul, Pakistan was all set to pay India back in the same coin. However, the Indian policymakers outsmarted Pakistani policymakers when they befriended some Afghan Mujahideen factions. Pakistan responded by fully supporting Taliban fighters in their occupation of Kabul, thus ousting India from the game. To achieve this objective, at a huge cost in the form of structural dislocation of our economy, the Westernised and clean-shaven Pakistani generals befriended the Taliban, who considered the beard and wearing of the turban as acts of faith.