Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 02 Feb 2013 18:23

Vasundhra Raje set to become Rajasthan BJP chief

'bout effing time.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 02 Feb 2013 20:26

Meanwhile , what we suspected from day one Kejriwal is just there to split the opposition vote for Delhi state elections.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 02 Feb 2013 20:33

Some important things have happened quite fast in a week.

1. Rajnath meets Modi, says publicly on TV that he is a mass leader for the nation. Apologizes for dropping him from the parliamentary board in 2007 and says will not repeat such mistakes.

2. Modi meets Vasundhara raje and within 2 days, all this rss backed detractors like kataria bow down to make way for her.

3. Uddhav thackeray first backs sushma, then back tracks saying that, they will consider the pm nominee from BJP after they declare whomsoever it maybe. But wanted BJP to declare a name.

4. Venkiah, Yashwant openly claim Modi is capable of being PM.

5. Ashok Singhal from VHP urges Modi to lead the nation at the mahakumbh.

6. Uddhav says he is ready for alliance with Raj to decimate the cong-ncp in maharashtra

7. JD(U) national secretary Shivraj Singh openly says, constitutionally Modi is as secular as any indian politician. Then gets dismissed from party by Sharad Yadav.

Slowly one can expect voice like this from JD(U) to get louder. There is a big group in JD(U) which feels that the safest way to ensure their hold in Bihar is to be in alliance with BJP under Modi's leadership. Without BJP they will be decimated. There have been couple of surveys indicating that BJP can go alone in bihar with modi and win. This is what is driving this group.

I think, one is for sure, BJP has been cornered for now into declaring a candidate whenever it maybe, they cant avoid that.

The Modi juggernaut will roll. Even in Karnataka, based on surveys which predict a congress victory with BJP getting between 65-70 seats in 2013 state elections, the same surveys point out that if modi is at the helm, in 2014 elections bjp will romp home in karnataka.

Kejriwal is a an ant, modi juggernaut will just squash him in delhi. watch the fun

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 02 Feb 2013 22:27

muraliravi wrote:Some important things have happened quite fast in a week.

1. Rajnath meets Modi, says publicly on TV that he is a mass leader for the nation. Apologizes for dropping him from the parliamentary board in 2007 and says will not repeat such mistakes.

2. Modi meets Vasundhara raje and within 2 days, all this rss backed detractors like kataria bow down to make way for her.

3. Uddhav thackeray first backs sushma, then back tracks saying that, they will consider the pm nominee from BJP after they declare whomsoever it maybe. But wanted BJP to declare a name.

4. Venkiah, Yashwant openly claim Modi is capable of being PM.

5. Ashok Singhal from VHP urges Modi to lead the nation at the mahakumbh.

6. Uddhav says he is ready for alliance with Raj to decimate the cong-ncp in maharashtra

7. JD(U) national secretary Shivraj Singh openly says, constitutionally Modi is as secular as any indian politician. Then gets dismissed from party by Sharad Yadav.

Slowly one can expect voice like this from JD(U) to get louder. There is a big group in JD(U) which feels that the safest way to ensure their hold in Bihar is to be in alliance with BJP under Modi's leadership. Without BJP they will be decimated. There have been couple of surveys indicating that BJP can go alone in bihar with modi and win. This is what is driving this group.

I think, one is for sure, BJP has been cornered for now into declaring a candidate whenever it maybe, they cant avoid that.

The Modi juggernaut will roll. Even in Karnataka, based on surveys which predict a congress victory with BJP getting between 65-70 seats in 2013 state elections, the same surveys point out that if modi is at the helm, in 2014 elections bjp will romp home in karnataka.

Kejriwal is a an ant, modi juggernaut will just squash him in delhi. watch the fun

Interesting. Your analysis on JD(U) power struggle is IMO accurate. Modi is slowly turning up the heat.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 02 Feb 2013 22:39

SwamyG and RamaY, TN is not facing elections in the near future at least till 2014 Lok Sabha elections. So please take the discussion to another thread even if its a new thread.

Thanks,

ramana

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 02 Feb 2013 22:48

muraliravi wrote:7. JD(U) national secretary Shivraj Singh openly says, constitutionally Modi is as secular as any indian politician. Then gets dismissed from party by Sharad Yadav.

Slowly one can expect voice like this from JD(U) to get louder. There is a big group in JD(U) which feels that the safest way to ensure their hold in Bihar is to be in alliance with BJP under Modi's leadership. Without BJP they will be decimated. There have been couple of surveys indicating that BJP can go alone in bihar with modi and win. This is what is driving this group.

Kejriwal is a an ant, modi juggernaut will just squash him in delhi. watch the fun

JD(U) stuff is interesting. Fast and furious dismissal. Modi as backward class leader with Charisma is the real takleef of Nitish not secularism. That is a vote catcher of Nitish that will be takeover by BJP while having the forward castes with it. Nitish will go with whom? Laloo yadav? Impossible. With INC in Bihar? To do what. Nitish will bite the dust.

Regarding Modi juggernaut in Delhi, I am very skeptical of Dilli voters under the nose of Dilli Billi. Kejriwal and Jat politics are the ones that needs further analysis.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 02 Feb 2013 23:06

Ramanaji,

No need to continue that discussion, but all these developments influence TN contributions and alliances in 2014 elections.

Muppala garu,
We need to understand/include the BD immigrants in our Delhi analysis.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 02 Feb 2013 23:43

RamaY wrote:Ramanaji,

No need to continue that discussion, but all these developments influence TN contributions and alliances in 2014 elections.

Muppala garu,
We need to understand/include the BD immigrants in our Delhi analysis.

BD immigrants were in delhi in almost similar numbers even when BJP was winning elections in delhi. INC is winning delhi mainly because sikhs are voting en-masse for congress becos of MMS. BJP has to find a way to break that jinx

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 02 Feb 2013 23:50

Shiela aunty is also Sikh but IIRC there are only 0.5-1 million Sikhs in Delhi. Congress wins the rural areas and coupled with the buffoons who were BJP CMs - Malhotra and Verma and compared to the better performance of SD plus the huge infrastructure improvement due to CWG the only chance for BJP is to field a fresh face who is also going to be a performer. At one point BJP won all 7 seats in Delhi. I think the main problem is the leadership. This is an urban electorate with high expectations.

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 03 Feb 2013 01:11

Sahib Singh Verma was not a bafoon (and he is departed, so lets so respect to at least leaders who we claim to be on our side). He was the first one to realise that Delhi has changed and delhi had many rural voters (from Haryana and as far as Bihar). He integrated that vote into BJP and won (he being a Jat helped BJP big time, that time BJP was party of punjabi Hindus and Sikhs, it still act as one, btw SSV was accidented in 2007, any CTs?). Somewhere after his demise that message was lost.Cong is winning Bombay and Delhi seats (and possible others) on strength of this Bihar/UP vote. In teh margin of 2-3%, this 10-20% block has become decisive. Cong has Bihari MPs from both Delhi and Mumbai. BJP can and should break that (being a bigger party than cong in both UP and Bihar) and get these people in their camp. What Saheb Singh did is what BJP needs to do now, both with Jats and Bihari voters. Shiv Sena cannot bring a Bihari in Mumbai (goes against their resins (TSP Speak)).In Delhi they have no excuse except for lethargy and neptotism.
rgds,
fanne

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 03 Feb 2013 01:53

By buffoon I meant poor performers. Otherwise Delhi was a pro-BJP city.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 03 Feb 2013 01:58

Supratik wrote:By buffoon I meant poor performers. Otherwise Delhi was a pro-BJP city.

Delhi still is a rock solid bjp city. Bjp karyakartas in bjp are completely disillusioned with D4. With modi, u will see bjp do well in Delhi. Of course, they need to have a good charismatic face as cm, not the elite type, someone rooted.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 03 Feb 2013 06:07

ramana wrote:SwamyG and RamaY, TN is not facing elections in the near future at least till 2014 Lok Sabha elections. So please take the discussion to another thread even if its a new thread.

Thanks,

ramana

Her political machinations have direct bearing on 2014 elections. Her impending BJP/Modi alliance is on one of the burners. The displeasure she has incurred from aam admi will help DMK. Her alliance with TMMK and her appeasement will create sympathy for her in the Muslim areas - in turn help her win or lose seats. INC or BJP are no where in TN, and the happenings are run up to the elections of 2014.

Anyways....I have made my points clear.

BhairavP · Post by **BhairavP** » 03 Feb 2013 07:04

^ I repeat, at least in Mumbai, the MNS played major spoiler to the BJP+SS. In 6 out of 7 seats in 2009, BJP/SS+MNS votes were > Congress votes, the only exception being Mumbai North-East, where the presence of significant minority votes helped Priya Dutt.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 03 Feb 2013 11:40

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 03 Feb 2013 12:14

Saffron makeover 2.0: New BJP chief Rajnath set to bring party's 'stars' on centrestage

As the BJP gears up to take the Congress head on in the run up to 2014 general election, it has decided to put its best foot forward by packing the party's top policymaking forum and the team of office-bearers with the best brains.

The party's central parliamentary board is being reconstituted, and Narendra Modi and Shivraj Singh Chouhan, who have won accolades for their work as chief ministers of Gujarat and Madhya Pradesh respectively, are being nominated to the 11-member body.

The team of office-bearers has also been given a complete overhaul by party chief Rajnath Singh . With elections to the Lok Sabha a little over a year away, the new BJP president is keen to pack his team with a blend of youth and experience.

Thus, former Union minister Yashwant Sinha, former Madhya Pradesh chief minister Uma Bharti, former Gujarat home minister Amit Shah - an accused in the Sohrabuddin Sheikh fake encounter case, and P. Muralidhar Rao, one of the founder members of the Swadeshi Jagaran Manch (SJM), are likely to be accommodated in the line-up of general secretaries.

Modi comeback While Sinha and Bharti are being backed by former deputy Prime Minister L.K. Advani, Shah has been propped up by his mentor, Modi. Rao is considered close to the RSS, having made his mark in the Sangh hierarchy as the general secretary of the Akhil Bharatiya Vidyarthi Parishad (ABVP) and the all India convenor of the SJM. Modi himself would be staging a comeback in the central parliamentary board after seven years. It was, ironically, Rajnath who had dropped him from the body after taking over the reins of the BJP for the first time in 2006.

Relations between the two leaders had turned hostile after this development. Anxious to make amends, Singh is renominating Modi to the board. And giving him company there will be Chouhan.

The two chief ministers have scored high on various parameters, but have contrasting styles. While Modi has a "top-down" approach towards development, Chouhan has been lauded for his "bottoms up" style. The two are expected to lend a lot of weight to their party's foremost decision-making body. Besides the composition of the central parliamentary board, attention will be paid to changes in the list of office-bearers. In keeping with the party constitution, Rajnath will be assisted by 12 vice-presidents, 10 general secretaries (including organisation in-charge), 14 secretaries and two joint secretaries.

Consultation

The BJP president is expected to strike a balance, keeping regional, caste and religious backgrounds in mind. In 2007, the party had amended its constitution to reserve 33 per cent seats at all levels.

"The BJP president is in the process of consulting his senior colleagues on the composition of the central parliamentary board and his new team of office-bearers. It will be a blend of experience and youth," former BJP president M. Venkaiah Naidu said.

The party's national executive, which will meet sometime this month after being reconstituted, is expected to authorise Singh to reorganise his team.

The RSS, on its part, has told Rajnath to go all out to stamp out intra-party wrangling at various levels, and stand as one in the election year. He was also asked to take decision on merit.

Read more at: http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/bjp- ... um=twitter

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 03 Feb 2013 12:38

^^^ IMO, all serving CMs - Manohar Panikkar and Raman Singh included - should be on the central board. These gents are excellent additions to the brains trust.

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 03 Feb 2013 19:12

Yes, why are Manohar Parikkar and Raman Singh not there.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 03 Feb 2013 19:48

Ramanaji,
JMHaroon the congress MP from Dindigul and a muslim negotited with Hassan for deletion of scenes.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 03 Feb 2013 20:57

svenkat, Any Islamist rising or agitation anywhere in India has a INC hand or backing. Art 355 to impose law and order is always there.

So the non-INC CMs have to be wary. In case of AP, even INC CMs have to be wary. Hence KKR used rubber bullets on Muslim rioters in Diwali Charminar agitation.

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 03 Feb 2013 21:31

Supratik wrote:Yes, why are Manohar Parikkar and Raman Singh not there.

Raman Singh has been included. So only successful CMs with persistent performance have been selected. Don't know why the SJM fellow is there.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 03 Feb 2013 22:19

The congress game plan in Andhra, well articulated in this blog

http://magadhstrategy.com/?p=16

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 04 Feb 2013 05:03

As the election started nearing, the PAID MEDIA is ratcheting up their campaign. Modi's team has to gear up for this.

Look at this PRESSTITUTE. The PAID gangsters have started their propaganda.

Don't click this link...
firstpost.com/politics/1990s-redux-why-2014-polls-could-be-a-communal-hate-fest-611128.html

1990s redux: Why 2014 polls could be a communal hate fest
by Akshaya Mishra Feb 2, 2013

The dark clouds on the political horizon are getting more ominous by the day. The general elections of 2014 are still way off, but communal forces have already started fastening their belts for a showdown with ‘enemies’.

The war cry is not audible yet, but the drift in the air is hard to miss. It’s only a matter of time religion and politics mixed to generate oppressive heat.

Several loose affiliates of the Sangh Parivar have started rallying around Narendra Modi – who else? – and on the other side there are indications that Muslim groups are turning more excitable.

It’s difficult to establish a connection between the two at this point and there has been no occasion for a direct conflict yet, but it is known that both feed off each other.

The Sangh Parivar wants the BJP to get back to the core ideology – Hindutva – and shape its electoral game plan around it. At their recent meet in New Delhi, top BJP, RSS and VHP leaders are believed have discussed reviving the Ram Temple issue.

Protests over Vishwaroopam. Agencies.
Leaders of the BJP and the Sangh will meet spiritual leaders at a saints’ meeting during Maha Kumbh at Allahabad and discuss ways to go about it. Also, there are hints that the VHP and other fringe saffron groups will be actively involved in the elections to shore up the BJP’s prospects.

Once the Ram Temple issue comes to the fore and the hardline Hindutva organisations start fanning out in the country, the division between the communities would be sharper and more acrimonious. This would overshadow all other issues and become the primary theme in the elections.

The situation suits both the major players: the Congress and the BJP. The Congress, facing serious allegations of corruption and misgovernance, would prefer it if the focus shifted from its performance over the last five years to something more emotional such as religion. The secularism vs communalism debate would also help it win allies.

The BJP is mired in corruption charges too and till now it has not come across as a party with a convincing position on issues it attacks the Congress with. With emotions rising on the Hindutva issue, it could expect to reap the electoral benefits.

The prospect of development becoming an electoral issue in the national election appears bleak given the current communal build-up. It’s possible the think tank on both sides would be aware of that.

The elevation of Narendra Modi would in any case have created a situation of polarisation – there are not too many buyers for his development agenda and there is slim chance the ghosts of 2002 would stop haunting him. The BJP is doing a smart act by bringing together the entire Sangh Parivar behind it this time.

The uninhibited support from the saffrons was missing in the last two elections – in 2004, the party was too busy trumpeting the achievements of Atal Behari Vajpayee, not a favourite of the Sangh; in 2009, the equations were not too comfortable either. This time, the party is keen on making amends, though inviting the risk of losing its modern, liberal veneer.

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Meanwhile, The Tehelka PRESSTITUTE SHOMA CHAUDHARY is spreading rumor after rumor.

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The funny thing is she doesn't know what it is. Just spread the rumors.

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All lies. There was no news. The sick PRESSTITUTES have started their game. Will the middle class fall for it again?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 04 Feb 2013 05:38

muraliravi wrote:The congress game plan in Andhra, well articulated in this blog

http://magadhstrategy.com/?p=16

Good analysis. So if they get their 35 then no split otherwise will split and hope to reap in T. What if they get creamed else where and the split would be a "brutus fulmen"? That would be betraying AP which has stood by INC since 1947!

I see the new drop dead date is Oct 2013.

What I heard last time was that YSJR will be the new CM no matter what.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 04 Feb 2013 07:28

INC now has the blackmail of "Telangana" on the Coastal politicos.

the real strategy could be to give TDP a serious blow by coercing its backers with the T-stick.
I think once again 2014 will be an INC fest in Andhra.
my guess is that INC+ will get 30-35 seats easily.
the force of history is against the TDP. they are facing an INC that is sensing fierce headwinds, but INC is still at a stage where it has full control of the state apparatus. this is the real problem.
TDP and Chandrababu might simply not have any cards to play at all. their backers (including the K's) might be forced to accept INC b/c otherwise the only option will be T (as INC will no doubt let them know).

things seem to be downhill for TDP.

but the effects of this should be obvious in the long term.
it will sow the seeds of a deep disgust and hatred for INC.
this type of coercion remains in the minds of the people. they remember such abject humiliations for a long time.

Carry on, Dynasty and INC! Carry on to ever greater glories...

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 04 Feb 2013 07:42

Meanwhile Sonia's next women's welfare minister is Kurien with his gang raping experience

http://m.firstpost.com/india/kerala-gov ... 12216.html

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 04 Feb 2013 08:10

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 4#p1402924

How To Buy Friends & Influence Elections congi style.

t’s a famous song by The Beatles: “Can’t buy me love” but I’ve got news for you. There’s also a movie of the same name titled “Can’t buy me love” in which the hero rents a girlfriend for $1000 for a month. Hmm! Are you available? If you are, you’re in luck! Someone’s just decided to buy a lot of friends on the Social Media. What do you do? Send in your profile to the guy who gave that “Badminton” speech on January 20.

According to reports, Kapil Sibal, the guy who earlier wanted to choke the internet and social media , the Congress party would need to spend 100 Crores to buy fraaands and influence votes through the social media. The other guy, foul-mouthed Digvijaya Singh, who ironically heads the party’s Communication Cell feels the BJP is leading on the social media front and Congress got left behind. The best part? Both these wiseguys have decided a strategy would be formed and presented to Rahul Gandhi, the “Badminton” boy. So essentially what they’re thinking is that the RSS invented social media, Narendra Modi nurtured it and the Hindu terrorists have overwhelming presence on it. Yeah! Move over Social Genius ‘Internet Hindus’ is now passé. After Sushil Shinde’s remark on Hindu Terror, the call-sign is now changed to “Internet Terrorists”. Except for the stray presence of Diggy on Twitter, the other guys don’t have any presence and still probably believe Al Gore invented the internet. Nothing to worry, help is always around.

Remember all those tweets you get promising to get you thousands of followers in just a few hours or days? That would be a good starting point for Congress. Of course, there are Twitter champions like Barkha Dutt, Rajdeep Sardesai, Bhupendra Chaubeji, Ashutosh, Nikhil Wagle and even Pankaj Pachauri, the PM’s media advisor. No, I haven’t forgotten! They also have Twitter Goddesses Sagarika Ghose and her protégé Pallavi Ghosh. With a whole team and these two ladies batting for Congress, a solid start is assured. So while these guys have been called PaidMedia for Congress so far, now there’s a new meaning to it; they will now be PaidSocialMedia. I hope the party also needs some bloggers (Hint! Hint!). Someone on Twitter has also suggested maybe the Congress should float a TwitterNREGA. Not a bad idea for a bunch of brain dead people who still don’t understand how SM works.

cold truths

There is a harsh truth behind the Congress’ SM plan. It’s that the MSM has failed to help the party’s fortunes. Despite their best attempts, channels like NDTV, CNN-IBN, Times Now and the gang don’t seem to have worked wonders for the party. All the Tulika ads during the Gujarat campaign haven’t paid off. In the print media, newspapers like Hindustan Times seem to have failed them. Remember, this is despite the fact that the last HT Summit was best funded by Govt PSUs. Social Media has now become a watchdog over the MSM; there can’t be any more doubts about it. All the lies, half-truths and propaganda by MSM have been successfully dismantled by SM. Congress feels the threat because there’s a forecast that by 2014 there will be 200 million internet users in India. (important data point).

Let’s try and examine some features influencing SM
1) First and foremost most of the SM people who are successful in getting their message out are well-educated people. Historically, that is not the Congress vote-bank. In fact, I’d go a step further in stating that Congress thrives by keeping people uneducated and uninformed.
2) Being connected for serious participation on SM requires stable power supply. There’s hardly any Congress-ruled state that isn’t facing power problems. This is a failure that will affect not just their SM constituency but life in general.
3) Unlike MSM, SM is mostly “user-generated” content that comes out of genuine interest and beliefs. I doubt money can buy that. Sure, there are some people who can be bought but usually they are the ones who don’t really have thinking skills or writing skills that can have a great influence. You know, like the bimbo on Twitter who said villages in Maharashtra had internet connection in 1995.
4) The Congress foolishly thinks NaMo’s success is partly due to his presence on SM. Wrong! NaMo gained followers and admiration for “performance” and not for “presence”. By Congress logic Shashi Tharoor should be far more influential for the Congress as its SM brand ambassador. Doesn’t work like that!

Now, being on SM is all about being “connected” with people. If the Congress were to really learn from Modi they’d have to learn that Modi “connects” everywhere. He connects on the SM and he connects with villagers in rural Gujarat. In contrast people like Rahul Gandhi and Sonia Gandhi are being booed when they visit Amethi or Rae Bareli. The duo had to beg Mulayam Singh for non-stop power supply in their constituencies as a favour. No villager has to beg NaMo for such a favour. Does that teach them anything? No! The Congress still believes money can buy fraaands.

The other thing is historically the communists and the MSM have perpetrated a fake history on Indians when it comes to the Mughals, the British and many other historic events. They have even turned patriots into villains. This correction of history is undertaken on the SM by many good writers and researchers and nobody pays them to do this. Their only drive is their love for their country and truth. The anti-Hindu MSM, similar to Shinde’s “Hindu Terror” comment, has always been biased against the Hindus. Many SM people make a strong effort in correcting this bias. They aren’t paid for this. The MSM may help sustain the Congress propaganda or campaign of half-truths but propaganda usually gets exposed and rejected on the SM. Lies and half-truths get destroyed on the SM. Every lie, deception, distortion and negligence by the MSM has been exposed by people on the SM. If Congress believes spending money will gain friends and influence votes they haven’t fathomed SM yet.

Unlike the sycophants in the Congress party that fall at the feet of “Madamji” and the prince, SM doesn’t have a sycophant culture that can be bought. Seriously, you can’t pass 66A as law on one hand and hope to succeed on the SM.

conclusion why congis and its supporters hate the social media

Hard truth is that for over 60 years the Congress, the Commies and the MSM wiped out the Hindu voices from public discourse. Let me add that everything connected with Hindus, like the RSS, BJP or any party was painted as “Evil” by these political parties and the top media celebs to appease their favourite minority group. The Hindu practices and rituals were rubbished. Their temples were looted to pay out doles. Technology has this potential to destroy lies, distortions, deceptions and injustices. It is laughable that those who couldn’t do justice in the public domain are now seeking to redeem themselves on the SM. Take the case of displaced Kashmiri Pandits. Their voices were destroyed by the MSM but they’re being heard on the SM. You need to spend money to buy lies and propaganda. You don’t need money to buy truth. Too late the Social Hero!

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 04 Feb 2013 14:33

krisna wrote:How To Buy Friends & Influence Elections congi style.

Very good article! If possible, please do cross-post it on "Indian Media Watch & Analysis" Thread.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 04 Feb 2013 15:31

VHP-Modi love blooms at Mahakumbh? After years of bad blood, VHP joins Modi-as-PM chant

Fair warning: careful as you read this 'journalistic report'. The tone reeks of sulfur only....

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 04 Feb 2013 15:47

@abpnewstv
Elections are likely to be announced after the budget: SP chief Mulayam Singh

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 04 Feb 2013 16:39

Sushupti wrote:@abpnewstv
Elections are likely to be announced after the budget: SP chief Mulayam Singh

These guys are unbelievable. Mamta used to announce General elections every six months. Now it may be his role. The reason I can see is that there is a situation like 1989 where a large portion of India is reeling under anti-congress wave. Modi will make more harder if things solidify in BJP. To take a plunge before that happens could at the least get them the 150 mark.

Mulayam could be playing the INC game. Also note Sharad Pawar's support for Telangana and lipservice of Vidharba while talking about 170 seats. Psy-ops to stop BJP's solidification has started.

A general election before losing Rajasthan and Delhi is far better that after losing them. In addition, they can take the Telangana issue into another decade.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 04 Feb 2013 19:51

Mulayam is cong b team. At the end of the day it is in his interest to have a corrupt and weak center.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 04 Feb 2013 20:05

http://www.apherald.com/Politics/ViewAr ... death-blow
TDP gives shocking death blow

To all those who have been thinking that the Telugu Desam Party is down and out and it is only a matter of time before the party would be wiped out, it doesn’t look that easy. It cannot, because there is someone like Chandrababu Naidu leading from the front. With his strategic mind and dogged determination he is a go-getter. The reason why TDP has become a hot topic of discussion among political circles is its performance in the cooperative polls. The elections took place under a lot of anticipation that TDP would be wiped out. But the party has shocked all and gave a death blow to its political rivals in few areas. In Guntur, TDP got 32 out of 78 seats while in Krishna it got 69 out of 194. Khammam was the best as the party got 30 out of 55 seats and west Godavari gave 60 out of 114. This is a big blow to the TRS who was confident of a clean sweep. This shows only one thing, the farmers have regained the faith on Chandrababu

This election is totally managed by State Govt., not EC. There was an unbelievable fraud in terms of money distributed and voter list manipulation by CON party.

http://www.apherald.com/Politics/ViewAr ... ttack-Babu

The TDP president Chandrababu Naidu is currently in Vijayawada as part of his ‘Vastunna Mee Kosam’ padayatra and the response so far has been very good. This is a three day camp in Vijayawada but not before some trouble can happen.
It is heard that Congress MP Lagadapati Rajagopal’s men did the disturbance this time. Reports say Lagadapati took out a Samaikyandhra rally to the camp of Babu and was speaking to the TDP Vijayawada in-charge Bonda Umamaheswara Rao. But suddenly it is heard that Lagadapati tried to rush towards Babu along with his group and this resulted in some tension and verbal duel. But the police intervened on time and brought things under control. It is heard that even actors Gundu Hanumantha Rao and Vijayalakshmi came to Chandrababu and expressed their solidarity in his Padayatra. With Lagadapati creating so much drama as usual the whole evening got busy with this incident.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 04 Feb 2013 21:32

^ VijayK garu,

As I said earlier, this cooperative election is mostly about money power, connections and coercion power. The power ratio can be shown as Congress:TDP:YSRCP:TRS :: 561:361:186:57

I took this ratio and weighted them with the %vote share these parties got in 2009 elections for the 294 elections. Since there was no PRP, I split its power to all the three parties equally. My numbers show that in 2009 elections

Party -------- Projected -------- Actual
Congress ---- 191 ------------- 156
TDP --------- 98 ------------- 92
TRS --------- 4 ------------- 10

Please note that PRP got 16% votes in 2009 elections and got 18 seats, MIM 7 seats (with less than 1% total votes

) etc., I will add all those numbers to congress bucket.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 04 Feb 2013 22:02

http://newsinsight.net/TheriseAndrise.aspx#page=page-1

Most Indian politics is North Indian politics, or tries to be. Which is why it is possible for whiners, upstarts and hopeless men and women of the North like Mulayam Singh Yadav, Laloo Yadav, Mayawati, Rahul Gandhi and Nitish Kumar to have hidden or declared prime-ministerial ambitions. The first prime minister of any consequence from the South to breach Delhi’s citadel, P.V.Narasimha Rao, took months to settle down. His worst detractor, Arjun Singh, was from the Northern heartland, and a high-born Rajput to boot. But Narasimha Rao was the best of the lot, deep as they come, and it didn’t take him long to square off the opposition. Through the Jain Hawala Scandal, he ensured that the Congress was destroyed in the Hindi heartland, and that remains the Congress’s fate.

Narasimha Rao cleared the way for the parceling of Delhi’s powers more homogenously throughout the country, which process gained strength with Mandal and votebank politics. In these new circumstances, A.B.Vajpayee came packaged with multiple identities, the least of them being a stalwart Bharatiya Janata Party leader from the North, and he proved every bit worthy of the trust reposed by voters of multiple persuasions. Vajpayee did not speak the language of official secularism, and to the extent he had autonomy from coalition compulsions, he operated in a personal stratosphere free of caste, communal and regional considerations. There has never been anyone like him in politics since, but if political individuality and vision are key determinants, then Modi takes after him.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 04 Feb 2013 23:15

RamaY wrote:^ VijayK garu,

As I said earlier, this cooperative election is mostly about money power, connections and coercion power. The power ratio can be shown as Congress:TDP:YSRCP:TRS :: 561:361:186:57

I took this ratio and weighted them with the %vote share these parties got in 2009 elections for the 294 elections. Since there was no PRP, I split its power to all the three parties equally. My numbers show that in 2009 elections

Party -------- Projected -------- Actual
Congress ---- 191 ------------- 156
TDP --------- 98 ------------- 92
TRS --------- 4 ------------- 10

Please note that PRP got 16% votes in 2009 elections and got 18 seats, MIM 7 seats (with less than 1% total votes ) etc., I will add all those numbers to congress bucket.

These are indirect elections. Even panchayat elections could give a little bit of pulse but these elections does not give anything. The reason is only members in the cooperatives can vote in these elections.

The pulse that we can get is how much of muscle and wriggle power that these parties have.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 04 Feb 2013 23:53

^ of course.. was just cross checking with 2009 elections... the sweep voting pattern is hardly +/- 5% only, right?

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 05 Feb 2013 00:40

He is the POOREST CM in India, but he donates his salary
http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/s ... 130204.htm

Tripura Chief Minister Manik Sarkar can arguably be dubbed 'the cleanest and poorest' chief minister in the country with personal property, movable and immovable, valued at less than Rs 2.5 lakh.
According to the affidavit submitted by the 64-year-old Sarkar during filing of nomination in Dhanpur constituency for the upcoming assembly elections, he had Rs 1,080 cash in hand and his bank balance stood at Rs 9,720.The Communist Party of India-Marxist leader is aiming for a fourth consecutive term in the northeastern state.He inherited a home of 432 sq ft with a tin-shed house from his deceased mother Anjali Sarkar whose present market value was Rs 2,20,000.However, his wife Panchali Bhattacharya, who is a retired officer of the Central government has a cash fixed deposit of Rs 23,58,380 and jewellery worth 20 gm of gold, the present market value of which is Rs 72,000. She has cash of Rs 22,015 in hand.Her family sources said she had got the money as part of her retirement benefits. The couple has no movable property and the total value of immovable property and cash is Rs 24,52,395.

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 05 Feb 2013 07:10

Aditya_V wrote:
RamaY wrote:Ashish Nandy's is 400% correct only.

After all most of Dalits convert to Christianity for few rupees, which he knows as back of his palm. So what is wrong in saying Dalits are more corrupt?
Totally disagree, Ashish Nandy is totally incorrect, the term Dalit itself is offensive and hois caste based thinking is totally wrong.

Conversion is more amoung the economically poor unfortunately many are in the Sc/ST community in our country. Thier fight for decent standard of living is being misused.

However Ashish Nandy comments are absolutely disgusting and wrong especially is Wb example.

+108. It would be counter-productive to believe that missionaries target only particular castes.

johneeG wrote: Caricaturing of people based on castes is getting sickening, IMHO. I think, certain amount of generalization is understandable but absolute caricaturing of groups(and people within the groups) simply misses the mark apart from being poor analysis.

Also, broad claims like '75% of dalits are christians' is really unfair portrayal. The fact is that, in India(not just AP), thew number of christians is under-reported. No one has clear idea about the number of converts from various communities. It is also a fact that missionaries are targeting all communities with equal vigour. Of course, they may find more audience among economically or socially vulnerable segments. But, it is not as if only one caste is being converted or as if all of that(or majority of that) caste has converted.

Now, reservations have been extended for christian 'dalits'(yep, it seems caste does not change even when you convert out of caste ridden Hinduism ). So, when reservations are given to them also, there is no real reason for them to declare themselves as 'Hindu'(and hide their identity), except as part of broader missionary tactic to keep the extent of conversions under the carpet. I would think that nobody, not even the church nor the Govt has any clear idea about the numbers. It is all assumptions at this point. And assumptions are partly based on bias and conjectures.

The number of converts maybe much more or much less than the assumptions. But, nobody knows, so why make a caricature of one group/community? Was YSR's father a dalit? The only charitable explanation for this kind of 'analysis' is that they are extrapolating the trends around them onto the rest of the population. But, such extrapolations are flawed.

More importantly, thinking that only one group is being converted(or has already converted) is not beneficial from Hindu perspective. Because:
a) The others groups become lax thinking that they are safe. And that the conversions are result of inherent flaw(or weakness) in the other group. This thinking would blind them to the incursions of EJs into their own group. The other groups become complacent and may become vulnerable. While, the originally caricatured group may survive the EJ attempts due to increased vigil, the other groups may succumb.

b) The group that is being caricature start thinking that other Hindus don't even consider them Hindus anymore. This indirectly encourages them to convert. That means, when people keep saying that a group X has been converted(75% converted), it may turn out to be a self-fulfilling prophesy.

Certain amount of paranoia and caricaturing is alright. But, I think, it is crossing the lakshman rekha.

I think, rustic and simple folk are easier to be brought back into Hindu fold even if they deviated from it. Because, they are honest about their motives of conversion(money or 'miracle' or ignorance or some social issue). And, they respond very positively to any move from the Hindu side(particularly Swamijis or Peetadhipathis). So, they are easier to re-convert, even if they have been converted by some stratagem. It is the sophisticated and 'modern' ones that are really dangerous. Because, they mask their true motives and also become more zealous missionaries themselves.

Lastly, 'Church' is not one monolithic body(with absolute mind control over its flock). It is like any other 'modern' organization. So, I am sure that it will be afflicted with all the problems that afflict any 'modern' organization like nepotism, corruption, ego clashes, imbecile(or inefficient employees)..etc. I suspect that these problems will more aggravated in case of organizations like 'Church' at all levels. In fact, many missionaries seem to be motivated by the prospect of making money rather than be motivated by the religion.

In short, my point is that people should not make too many caricatures or generalizations in the name of analysis. Analysis based on such logic is bound to be superficial and lacking in depth.

While certain amount of generalization is understandable and unavoidable, it does get nauseating when it becomes the be all and end all.

PS:My view is that the conversions, in AP( including Dalits), are not as high as people are imagining. Then, most of these converts are 'drifters' who can easily be reconverted if and when Hindus. It is very much like people voting to a party by taking money, similarly people have taken their religion due to certain conditions. It does not signify lifelong commitment. The real problem is state support to EJ activities. IF and WHEN that umbilical chord is cut, everything will automatically fall in its place. Infact, I would say that IF and WHEN it happens, even the 'original' X-ians will find Hinduism attractive.

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I understand that RamaY saar was using sarcasm to hint that Ashish Nandy's comments are not rooted in 'upper-caste Hindu bias', but rather in 'X-ian missionary bias'. And I agree. I am just trying to make a different point using this post as an excuse. In elections thread, there are frequently, analysis that try to generalize the voting patterns of various caste and try to predict the outcome of the election based on 'caste-combinations'. I am of the view that while such an analysis does have its importance, one must not forget that it is only a crude-model(and an inaccurate one) to base analysis of elections based on caricaturing of behaviour of castes.

Having said that, I will now proceed to post an 'analysis' that is steeped in caste-combinations:
For a long time, NaMo had the support of Hindutva crowd. Slowly, development crowd also joined NaMo bandwagon. This combination is already making the Kongis very nervous. But, if 'backward-caste' crowd also join the NaMo brigade, then it will give nightmares to all 'seculars'. It is already happening at some level. But, that card has not been played by lotus party... yet. If this 'backward-caste' crowd also join the NaMo chorus, then it can yield unexpected gains for NaMo at the cost of Mullahyam and laloo.

Having said that, I think such caste-combination analysis must be taken with an appropriate dose of salt.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 05 Feb 2013 09:12

RajeshA wrote:
krisna wrote:How To Buy Friends & Influence Elections congi style.
Very good article! If possible, please do cross-post it on "Indian Media Watch & Analysis" Thread.

thanks done!!