Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2
Posted: 13 Feb 2015 11:07
According to Times Now Modi has called badmash. Cricket chit chat.
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Indian media is saying Modi called badmash regarding ICC WC.asinh wrote:According to Times Now Modi has called badmash. Cricket chit chat.
Rediff says that S. Jaishankar will soon visit Pakistan and other SAARC nations, make what you can of it.partha wrote:Indian media is saying Modi called badmash regarding ICC WC.asinh wrote:According to Times Now Modi has called badmash. Cricket chit chat.
Pakistan media is spinning it as Modi obeying Obama's orders.
If the call was really about ICC WC, then some quality trolling by Modi. Here they are the Pakis, expecting Modi to hand over Kashmir to them and he calls to chat about some cricket match
Remember that report in Pak media soon after Obama's visit about resumption of talks in March?Modi himself informed his counterpart Nawaz Sharif about the decision to resume foreign secretary-level dialogue with Pakistan. India had last year scheduled the same dialogue with Pakistan in August last year but cancelled it at the last moment after Pakistan high commissioner chose to meet Hurriyat leaders.
Islamabad has maintained all along since then that India would have to take the initiative for any resumption of dialogue between the two countries.
Basit had called on Jaishankar on Thursday to review ties between the two countries. During the meeting they also discussed the possibility of resuming dialogue.
I am sorry but I see no "chanakian strategy" here and yes if MMS had done this he would have been called all those names and rightfully so.partha wrote:Remember that report in Pak media soon after Obama's visit about resumption of talks in March?
What's the game plan here? Let's hope there is some chanakian strategy behind resumption of talksIf MMS had done this, we would have screamed US stooge, Pak pasandi and what not? Sorry, just disappointed here a little. As I said, let's hope GoI has a solid plan.
Discussing possibility of resuming dialogue is not the same as resuming dialogue. Its chai biskoot over chai biskoot. Hopefully the latter chai biskoot never happens.Basit had called on Jaishankar on Thursday to review ties between the two countries. During the meeting they also discussed the possibility of resuming dialogue.
IT is nothing new for Pakistanis to be fed anti-India propaganda; it has, after all, been the staple diet in this country for the best part of 70 years. Still, the noticeable upsurge in inflammatory statements by government functionaries against the ‘traditional enemy’ in recent weeks demands interrogation. Especially when one considers that the PML-N talked up peace with Delhi in the lead-up to the 2013 general election, and for at least a few months afterwards.
The hawks will say that the government has been left with no choice given the recent ‘provocations’ of Indian military personnel. But even if one was to take at face value the claims that ‘they’ are causing all the mischief, border skirmishes have a long history, and getting overly worked up about them is a case of much ado about nothing.
The truth is that the Nawaz Sharif government has, on account of ‘dharna-gate’ and Peshawar, ceded virtually all policy space to the men in khaki. With this retreat has come a not altogether surprising memory recall about eternal enmity with our eastern neighbour.
Interestingly, things on the western border with Afghanistan appear to be going swimmingly. Functionaries on both sides, civilian as well as military, are issuing one feel-good statement after the other. Washington is, for once, satisfied with both Kabul and Islamabad (read: Rawalpindi), and ‘counterterrorism’ strategies are being mutually drawn up by all three sides.
I admit I am sceptical of Pakistani officialdom at the best of times, but the ‘love Afghanistan’ and ‘hate India’ policy of recent vintage is nothing short of exceptional. Our default foreign policy position features suspicion and rancour on both the western and eastern borders. The now notorious ‘strategic depth’ policy was based on the presumption that war with India was inevitable and that Afghanistan’s purported anti-Pakistani bias had to be overturned accordingly.
How, and why, has this straightforward conflict-laden worldview given way to the current scenario? My sense is that the powers-that-be, namely the US and China, have made clear that it is simply no longer acceptable to cultivate ‘strategic assets’ in Afghanistan. With regards to India, on the other hand, our uniformed guardians have been given slightly more leeway (by Beijing in particular).
Quite aside from the dictates of our foreign patrons, there is also the small matter of India being the security establishment’s raison d’être. The Pakistani state, since its inception, been dominated by the military under the guise that India poses an existential threat. Just the fact that this is not said so openly anymore — with ‘terrorism’ now invoked publicly instead — should not be taken to mean that the internal consensus within the military institution has dissipated. Aqil Shah’s recently published manuscript The Military and Democracy confirms as much.
India’s rulers have played as big a role in maintaining tensions between the two countries as their Pakistani counterparts. Some Indian regimes are more hawkish than other — the recent raising of temperatures between the two countries is explained in no small part by the hyper-nationalism of Narendra Modi and the ruling BJP.
The difference between the two neighbours is that political forces actually design and execute foreign policy in India — albeit in conjunction with the permanent state apparatus — whereas the military reigns supreme in Pakistan. More specifically, political regimes in this country that try and make policy autonomously of the men in khaki are almost inevitably cut down to size.
The most telling aspect of this entire calculus is so-called ‘public opinion’. Even today, as home-grown violence eats away at the body-politic, we Pakistanis can’t get enough of the tired explanation that foregrounds ‘India’s evil designs’. India’s ruling class also plays to the gallery, but the Pakistan factor in Indian politics is far less pronounced than in the opposite direction.
In the final analysis, we should be clear that peace at home, and in the neighbourhood at large, requires not a selective detente on our western border, but a renunciation of the policy of regional enmity in its entirety. In any case it is important not to lose sight of the fact that the current ‘friendship’ with Afghanistan is sponsored by imperialism — hardly the recipe for a sustainable peace.
Perhaps we do not want such a peace, and continue to believe that one or both of Afghanistan and India will eventually be wiped off the world’s map, pursuing whatever destructive policies we deem necessary to make this ‘dream’ of ours come true. How this wishful thinking can coexist alongside our supposed resolve to rid society of ‘terrorism’ is another matter altogether.
That India-enmity is the military’s raison d’être is old news — those of us who will be foaming at the mouth during Sunday’s World Cup match should bear in mind that we are equally responsible for sustaining permanent war with our neighbours {It should have been,"we are solely responsible . . ."}, and, by extension, in our own backyard.
http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation ... 41598.htmlPrime Minister's remarks today came a day after Pakistan High Commissioner Abdul Basit met Jaishankar yesterday. The meeting was described as a curtsey call by the officials.
If I were the BakMil, I would start another round of border violation, at least make huge noise about heavy exchange of fire on the border, just before the Indian FS lands in Bakistan and test Modi's "You cannot hear each other while bombs are going off and bullets are flying"A_Gupta wrote:Positive spin on Modi's move:
http://www.firstpost.com/world/howzatt- ... 97333.html
Ideally upon hearing of any such move by the ganja Sharif, the TSPA would have sent select SSG in mufti to arrange an ambush and do some spectacular atrocity at the border, like chop heads of a few soldiers etc.pankajs wrote:If I were the BakMil, I would start another round of border violation, at least make huge noise about heavy exchange of fire on the border, just before the Indian FS lands in Bakistan and test Modi's "You cannot hear each other while bombs are going off and bullets are flying"A_Gupta wrote:Positive spin on Modi's move:
http://www.firstpost.com/world/howzatt- ... 97333.html
I completely agree with you.Kashi wrote:I am sorry but I see no "chanakian strategy" here and yes if MMS had done this he would have been called all those names and rightfully so.
If GoI has a plan, I am unable to see comprehend this. Pakis have refused to climbdown from their stance, recently a consignment of drugs was intercepted in J&K and even the Paki ambassador said that MFN was all but out of question. Nothing has changed at the ground level. So why this change of heart from NM?
Extremely disappointed and baffled.
I wonder how much worse could it have gotten after this!vishvak wrote:I think pakis do this to every country.
Pakistan is really upset with US TV series 'Homeland' Season 4![]()
Trolls will troll.
RAWALPINDI: Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) Director General Major-General Asim Bajwa Thursday said that India was funding terrorists in Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) and Balochistan.
He said it was not possible for a local terrorist organisation, Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), to operate without external support and funding.
Musharraf: Pakistan and India's backing for 'proxies' in Afghanistan must stopThe army remains deeply suspicious of India, a country that has beaten Pakistan in three conflicts since independence and played a critical role in the secession of Bangladesh from Pakistan in 1971. Musharraf insists he is not an “India hater”, but bristles at what he says is western bias towards Pakistan’s giant neighbour. “‘India is the greatest democracy, promoter of human rights and democratic culture’? All bullshit,” he said. “There is no human rights. The religion itself is anti-human rights. In the rural areas, if even the shadow of an untouchable goes on a pandit, that man can be killed.”
I would not put a spin on this. ModiJi has climbed down of sorts after the lecturing US presidential visit. Has TSP delivered on any of India's demands? Some things may not be visible in the sense that TSP is not going to wave the white surrender flag, but if there has been some behind the scenes acquiescence to India's demands, then maybe a hand shake here or there is OK. This TSP abomination should just be minor factor in India's overall foreign polcy.LokeshC wrote: Discussing possibility of resuming dialogue is not the same as resuming dialogue. Its chai biskoot over chai biskoot. Hopefully the latter chai biskoot never happens.