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ramana wrote:Folks instead of arguing with ShyamD nothing stops you from posting news contrary to his information. In the end the forum benefits from the balance in news.
5th incident now just in the last few months of starting petty arguements and those individuals willing to lie to back up their view. Most recently before this was Devesh claiming I made a post out of no where and never mentioned anything about the integration of local units in to the Free Syrian National Army.

Quite sad really...
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shyamd wrote:
ramana wrote:Folks instead of arguing with ShyamD nothing stops you from posting news contrary to his information. In the end the forum benefits from the balance in news.
5th incident now just in the last few months of starting petty arguements and those individuals willing to lie to back up their view. Most recently before this was Devesh claiming I made a post out of no where and never mentioned anything about the integration of local units in to the Free Syrian National Army.

can I respond to the above or will it be considered "unbalanced"?
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shyamd wrote:
brihaspati wrote:
Inside the city - support not strong: that is as far negatiev as you can go? You immediately balance it out with quoting that "countryside much higher", and "tough to guage" army morale [implying of course by the quoter - that it could go either way]. Overall it does not show negatives for the rebel groupings.
:rotfl: I copied and pasted a journalists tweet and you automatically assume it is mine. Don't you think I could easily have edited the bit about lack of support in Aleppo easily if I wanted to? Says everything about what you are trying to do here - unfortunately I have no time to fight little petty arguments.
In your hurry - you forgot to see that I said you "quoted". Why do you assume that others copy without reading like you do? :P
Did you find any news about the rebels militarily losing - moving away - retreating, suffering setbakcs, losses - anywhere?
Plenty - I said that FSA initially were made up of admin services and weren't effective at all. I also said that they are not interested in holding territory yet, I've also posted that they are withdrawing several times and described how Asad troops are trying to cut off supply lines and the problems FSA face in moving the arms inside syria... just to name a few.
You see, your idea of negatives - follow the pattern you used a long time ago - to try and prove that Muslims didn't expel/committed genocide of Jews. Lets look at your negatives:

"made up of admin service and weren't effective"
you give excuses as to why they are not "effective", so your negative is about why FSA cannot immediately/quickly thrash Assad.
"not interested in holding territory" is a negative for you, so that covers for failure to hold territory. Until they actually hold territory, you can cover for them by saying they are not "interested".
"FSA is facing problems" - all by external sources, Assad not letting them have their cake, trying to cut off their supplies.

But absolutely nothing from within the so-called FSA that is "negative" - no intrinsic or internal factors you ever come across that is negative from within the FSA. Why don't you do a similar big-issues neutral analysis for Assad too? How Assad is not "interested" in holding on to Kurdi territory for example and hence "left it"! How Assad is not managing a quick victory because of external problems created by beloved Sunni hosts from around the Gulf!


Since you are indeed interested in the bigger picture, and bigger picture of course for you does not contain massacres/rapes/executions for propaganda which become merely incidents for you?
Yes I'll leave that for you to post since you have time. Care to contribute or more interested in causing petty arguments?

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You will never post anything that tarnishes any bit of Arabic Sunni islamism, or perceived GCC interests. You will avoid those other issues not because they do not have any impact on bigger issues, they very well do for it has already affected formal western support [just have to tick off the money coming from which countries - including the recent ones from UK, which plays along with Saudi interests anyway]- but becuase they expose what GCC islamics actually translate into on ground.
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“The Formation of Alawite Militias in the Kassab region,” by Mohammad D.
Thursday, September 6th, 2012

http://www.joshualandis.com/blog/?p=159 ... Comment%29
The Formation of Alawite Militias in the Kassab region
By Mohammad D.
For Syria Comment, Sept 5, 2012

There are important new developments in Lattakia and its surrounding recently. The violence that started a few months back in the East and North of the city itself has not subsided. Yesterday a rumor spread that the FSA had shelled al-Qurdaha, something its leaders have been wishing to do from day one. I think it is just a rumor, but, the big news is that the Alawis have started to form armed groups in some of the villages which are in direct contact with the Sunni villages.

The Alawis in areas that are not near the front lines have also begun amassing small arms. They have also begun to form similar groups. One of these groups appeared in the area of Jabal al-Turkman (North of Lattakia). These new fighters are known locally as al-Lijan al-Sha’biyah (اللجان الشعبية). So far they have light arms only. The Assad regular troops are doing the heavy bombing and own the heavy arms. Here is a link to their facebook page, which lists them as al-Muqawamah al-Suriyah (The Syrian Resistance).

In this Facebook page, one can see that the newly formed group has been engaging in military action against the Sunnis from that area. The Sunnis (Turkmen) had formed their own brigade, which is fighting under the banner of the Free Syria Army (FSA). The FSA has attacked the nearby Alawi villages on many occasions. One Alawi village; al-Sarayah, has been emptied of its inhabitants, except the men who are armed and fighting along side others in al-Lijan al-Sha’biyah. The Sunnis have also left their villages and gone to either Turkey or Lattakia city. Lattakia is now overflowing with refugees and villagers escaping violence. There are lots of people from Allepo there also. The sports complex is packed with the poor refugees, The rich ones are renting apartments or rooms. Also, to the East of Lattakia in al-Haffe region, fighting is still raging on. The sound of artillery and explosions can be heard in Lattakia. The situation on the coast is explosive and growing more dangerous every week.

Another interesting phenomenon is that Turkish Alawis are writing in Turkish on the same Facebook page – http://www.facebook.com/syr.moqawama — that is being used by Syrian Alawis. This seems to indicate that Alawis in Syria and Turkey are starting to work together.
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Here is another big-picture perspective:
http://www.joshualandis.com/blog/?p=16037
Assad’s Army Unlikely to “Crumble”
Monday, September 17th, 2012
WINEP and Wikistrat analysts predict that Assad and his army will “fall”, “crumble”, or “break”. I have argued the opposite in “Creating a Syrian Swamp: Assad’s ‘Plan B’“. A likely outcome of the Syrian struggle is that Assad and his army will not break; rather, they will likely retreat to the coastal region, where Alawite and loyal troops have a social base. They would be very hard to destroy on their home base, especially if foreign allies continue to support them with weapons and money. Should this happen, Syria’s civil war could end more like Lebanon’s — with a stalemate — rather than like Libya’s — with the death of the dictator and destruction of his military.

If Sunni Arab rebels manage to unify or if foreign powers intervene directly, the survival of Assad’s military is unlikely.

Here is a bit of what I wrote on Aug. 10:

In order to survive, Assad and his Alawite generals will struggle to turn Syria into Lebanon – a fractured nation, where no one community can rule. He may lose Syria, but could still remain a player, and his Alawite minority will not be destroyed. Today, Junblat, Geagea, Gemayyal, Franjia and other warlords are respected members of parliament and society. All might have been taken to the international court and charged with crimes against humanity two decades ago. After all, somewhere between 100,000 to 150,000 Lebanese were killed out of a population of three million during the civil war. When the Lebanese came to terms with the fact that no one camp could impose its rule over the others, they had no choice but to bury the hatchet and move forward.

If Assad surrenders, hundreds of regime leaders will be executed or tried for crimes against their fellow countrymen. The broader Alawite community fears the possibility of aimless retribution. To avoid this, Assad is likely to pursue the Lebanon option: turn Syria into a swamp and create chaos out of Syria’s sects and factions. It is a strategy of playing upon divisions to sow chaos. Already the Syrian Army has largely been transformed into an Alawite militia. If Assad must withdraw from Damascus, he will have nowhere to fall back on but Latakia and the coastal mountains. I have argued that the Alawite region cannot be turned into an independent state, but it does provide Assad and the remnants of the Syrian Army a social base. Just as Lebanon’s Maronites did not create an independent state in the Lebanon Mountains, they did use it to deny Muslim forces undivided supremacy over Lebanon. The Syrian opposition will have difficulty defeating Assad’s army. This is certainly true if opposition forces remain as fragmented as they are today. Assad is gambling on his enemies being unable to unite. He is working assiduously to turn Syria into a swamp in order to save what he can of his power and the lives of those around him.

If Assad is successful in this ambition, there will be no clear endgame to the fighting in Syria. Syria’s Baathist regime cannot survive. It is already collapsing. Most state institutions are no longer functioning. Order has broken down in many parts of the country. New authorities are springing up as the old disappear. But Assad’s army in its transformed state is likely to remain a powerful force.

Addendum:Email from a reader

I was just reading your latest post, and I think that WINEP’s assessment shows how out of touch they are with the Syrian mosaic. My husband, [a Sunni Damascene] has Alawi family friends, and one of them has just joined an Alawi militia. According to my husband’s cousin, who works for Rami Makhlouf, this militia is being funded by Makhlouf, and each volunteer gets paid money and get training and weapons. Of course, this person is in Lattakia, which supports your claim that they will probably unify in the coastal region.
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http://world.time.com/2012/09/18/syrias ... z26pI1wfEy
Syria’s Secular and Islamist Rebels: Who Are the Saudis and the Qataris Arming?
As TIME reports here, disorder and distrust plague two of the rebels’ international patrons: Saudi Arabia and Qatar. The two Gulf powerhouses are no longer on the same page when it comes to determining who among the plethora of mushrooming Syrian rebel groups should be armed. The rift surfaced in August, with the alleged Saudi and Qatari representatives in charge of funneling free weaponry to the rebels clearly backing different factions among the groups — including various shades of secular and Islamist militias — under the broad umbrella that is the Free Syrian Army (FSA).

The middlemen of the two countries operate out of Turkey, the regional military power. Ankara has been quite public with its denunciation of Assad even as it denies any involvement in shuffling weapons across the border to Syrian rebels. It claims its territory is not being used to do so. And yet, as TIME reported in June, a secretive group operates something like a command center in Istanbul, directing the distribution of vital military supplies believed to be provided by Saudi Arabia and Qatar and transported with the help of Turkish intelligence to the Syrian border and then to the rebels. Further reporting has revealed more details of the operation, the politics and favoritism that undermine the task of creating a unified rebel force out of the wide array of groups trying to topple the Assad regime.

(The FSA is nominally headed by Riad al-As’aad, who is based in Turkey. Neither As’aad nor his chief FSA rival General Mustafa Sheikh are party to the Istanbul control room that supplies and arms rebels who operate under the FSA banner. The two men each have their own sources of funding and are independently distributing money and weapons to selected FSA units.)

According to sources who have dealt with him, Saudi Arabia’s man in the Istanbul control center is a Lebanese politician named Okab Sakr. He belongs to the Future Movement, the organization of former Lebanese Prime Minister Saad Hariri, which has a history of enmity with Damascus. (Syria was accused of complicity in the 2005 assassination of Hariri’s father Rafiq.) The party has not made Sakr available to TIME, denies his involvement in any weapons deals and insists that Sakr is in Belgium “on leave” from his political duties.

However, he apparently was in the southern Turkish city of Antakya in late August. A TIME inquiry with an Antakya hotel confirms Sakr was in the area at the time. According to rebel sources who dealt with him, the Lebanese politician was there overseeing the distribution of batches of supplies — small consignments of 50,000 Kalashnikov bullets and several dozen rocket-propelled grenades — to at least four different FSA groups in Idlib province as well as larger consignments to other areas including Homs. The FSA sources also say he met with some commanders but not others — a selectivity that led to much chagrin.



That kind of favoritism has caused problems on the ground in many ways. [....]
But the selectivity has bred further favoritism in the distribution of arms. “Those who received goods would distribute them as they wanted. They started sending to people and saying, ‘This is a gift from me to you,’ ” a member of the control room representing eastern Syria told TIME. Other representatives were blunter, seeking pledges of loyalty from FSA groups inside the country before delivering the goods. To try to alleviate the problem, the provincial representatives were cycled in and out of the room’s operations, but the problems remained. “The weapons are all being distributed in secret,” says one fighter inside Syria, angrily, “and what is secret will stay unclear.”

The situation is compounded by Qatar’s man — a major who defected from Assad’s army, who has not yet responded to TIME’s request for comment. The Qataris want to focus on aiding the regional military councils, FSA groupings within Syria set up earlier this year partly in order to get around the favoritism of the representatives. (There are at least 10 military councils scattered throughout the country.) Goods would be delivered to a council and then distributed to the brigades under its umbrella. In practice, it wasn’t quite as easy or smooth. “We were given lists by brigade leaders of their men, but we stopped believing the numbers,” says a member of the Istanbul room from Syria’s Idlib province. However, the Saudis, via Okab Sakr, appear to want to support only certain groups within the councils and not others.

“We felt that the sides giving us support weren’t on the same page,” says the control-room member from eastern Syria. “They started having side meetings with some groups.” Still, he says, “what is most important is that the guys receive weapons. Whether that is via an operations room or directly, we don’t care. Nobody knows the truth from the talk,” he says. “We have been lied to [by the international community], and we have lied to the guys inside, saying weapons would arrive in a week, in 10 days, and months have passed and some areas haven’t received supplies. So unless I see it, and see it distributed, even I don’t believe it.”

In the town of Bdeeta in Idlib province — which happens to be the hometown of Riad al-As’aad — rebel fighters complain bitterly about the lack of assistance. “We are licking our plates. We beg for salt,” says Abu Mar’iye, who heads the Martyrs of Ibditha group in the tiny town, home to some 2,000 people. “It’s not enough. Even the weapons that arrive, it’s like a drop, just enough so the fighting continues, so we can kill each other but not win.”

The men claim that groups with higher media profiles — those that produce the most sensational snippets of amateur video, the ones with the most YouTube hits — receive the largest share of the spoils, regardless of the strategic importance of their operations. The videos serve as advertisements to solicit funding and weapons not only from the Istanbul command center but also from private donors including clerics in the Gulf with massive fundraising abilities. “They taught us, Hit, film it, I’ll support you,” says a fighter named Nasr.

Colonel Afif Suleiman, the head of the Idlib Military Council, a grouping of 16 military units from across the vast province, is unhappy with the support he gets from the control room. He is angry with Sakr, who, he says, “got involved in the issue of weapons to split our ranks, to divide the revolutionaries.” Sakr, he says, recently “chose three people on our council and supported them. I won’t name them. They are not the largest units. There is one big group, but the others are just regular ones,” Suleiman tells TIME. “He formed a rift within the council, and we are working to heal this rift. We clarified the issue to our Saudi brothers about Okab. They promised that there will be no support, either military or financial, except via the councils. This is what they recently promised us.”

To complicate things further, the Qataris reportedly have strong ties to the Syrian Muslim Brotherhood, while the Saudis “don’t want any ties to anything called Muslim Brothers,” says Ahmad Zeidan, the nom de guerre of a member of the Idlib military council. According to several sources, the large group in the Idlib military council that Sakr supported — to the aggravation of Suleiman — is Jamal Maarouf’s Martyrs of Syria Battalion, because it “has a more neutral view of the Brothers,” a U.S.-based activist says.

The other big group in the Idlib military council is Ahmad Abu Issa’s Suqoor al-Sham, an Islamist group based in Jabal al-Zawya. Abu Issa is also no great friend of the Brotherhood. On Aug. 19, he announced his withdrawal from an Islamist coalition because he said the Brotherhood politicized it by naming it after their party rather than calling it something that reflected the diverse nature of the grouping.

It’s debatable how much support the Muslim Brotherhood (MB) has within Syria, both politically and militarily, given that since the 1980s it has been a capital offense to be a member of the party. There has been much talk that the MB has little influence on the ground and that it will provide military and logistical support only in exchange for pledges of loyalty, part of its attempt to beef up its numbers. It’s a claim vigorously denied by Molham Aldrobi, an executive member of the MB and a founding member of the Syrian National Council (SNC), the exiled political group that tried to represent the opposition early on. “This is absolutely not true. We do not discriminate based on loyalty to the MB,” he told TIME from his home in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. “The MB does exist in the ground. We work under the FSA umbrella,” he said, although he would not disclose the number of units, nor where within Syria the MB’s military groups were strongest. He did say, however, that there was at least one member of the MB in the Istanbul operations room.

Still, the Brotherhood is only one of the many Islamist groups operating in Syria. Some, like the Salafi group Ahrar al-Sham, are not strictly part of the FSA, although in Idlib the group is part of the military council and therefore gets a smattering of support from the Istanbul control center as well. It’s a reflection of the fact that in most cases, in Idlib at least, rebel offensives are joint operations between groups of FSA fighters, Islamists, Salafists and even the extremist Jabhat al-Nusra group that some claim has ties to al-Qaeda. The bulk of Ahrar al-Sham’s substantial funding reportedly comes from Kuwait.
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Similarly, some FSA groups, like Suqoor al-Sham, are also part of wider Islamist networks, largely to maximize the amount of support they can get. In a major development, Abu Issa has joined a powerful new pan-Syrian Islamist coalition called the Jabhat Tahrir Syria, or the Syrian Liberation Front, which groups several formidable, battle-hardened rebel outfits, including the famed Farouk Brigades of Homs.
[...]

The Obama Administration does not deal directly with the armed opposition, but it has authorized a nonprofit organization, the Syrian Support Group (SSG), to fundraise for the FSA. The SSG is composed of Syrian exiles in the U.S. and Canada as well as a former NATO political officer.
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Bji,

Biased posts only shows where the poster's personal interests lie. Only problem I see with ShyamD's posts is that he claimed sometime back that he posts to benefit India's national interest, whereas it serves only as a public opinion maker for his personal interests.
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Moderate Libyans attack the compound of the suspected Islamist extremists involved in the attack in Benghazi.

More like manufactured reaction. Where were they in the first instance?
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the stage seems set for a inter militia war in libya

UPDATE 3-Libyan Islamist militia swept out of Benghazi bases

09/21/2012
Sat Sep 22, 2012 5:36pm IST

By Peter Graff and Suleiman Al-Khalidi

BENGHAZI, Libya, Sept 22 (Reuters) - An Islamist militia was driven out of the city of Benghazi early on Saturday in a surge of protest against the armed groups that control large parts of Libya more than a year after the overthrow of Muammar Gaddafi.

A spokesman for Ansar al-Sharia said the group had evacuated its bases in Benghazi "to preserve security in the city".

In a dramatic sign of Libya's fragility, after sweeping through the base the crowd went on to attack a pro-government militia, believing them to be Islamists, triggering an armed response in which at least 11 people were killed and more than 60 wounded.

Ansar al-Sharia has been linked to the attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi last week in which the U.S. ambassador to Libya and three other Americans died, although the group denied involvement.

The invasion of its compound, which met little resistance, appeared to be part of a coordinated sweep of militia bases by police, government troops and activists following a mass public demonstration against militia units in Benghazi on Friday.

Demonstrators pulled down militia flags and set a vehicle on fire inside what was once the base of Gaddafi's security forces who tried to put down the first protests that sparked last year's uprising.

Hundreds of men waving swords and even a meat cleaver chanting "Libya, Libya", "No more al Qaeda!" and "The blood we shed for freedom shall not go in vain!"

"After what happened at the American consulate, the people of Benghazi had enough of the extremists," demonstrator Hassan Ahmed said. "They did not give allegiance to the army. So the people broke in and they fled.

"This place is like the Bastille. This is where Gaddafi controlled Libya from, and then Ansar al-Sharia took it over. This is a turning point for the people of Benghazi."

Adusalam al-Tarhouni, a government worker who arrived with the first wave of protesters, said several pickup trucks with Ansar fighters had initially confronted the protesters and opened fire. Two protesters were shot in the leg, he said.

"After that they got into their trucks and drove away," he said. Protesters had freed four prisoners found inside, he said.

CONSULATE ATTACK

Libya's government had promised Washington it would find the perpetrators of what appeared to be a well planned attack on the U.S. consulate, which coincided with protests against an anti-Islam video and the anniversary of the 9/11 attacks.

The consulate attack and the outrage directed at the United States over the video across the Muslim world have raised questions about President Barack Obama's handling of the so-called Arab Spring.

The latest events in the cradle of Libya's revolution appeared at least in part to vindicate his faith in Libya's nascent democracy.

"The killing of the ambassador, and a preceding set of serious security incidents, are a wake-up call to the new government to actually start to improve security," said Oliver Miles, former British ambassador to Libya.

"And now they've got backing from the street in Benghazi to do just that."

But the lack of central control remains a recipe for chaos.

Continuing to chant anti-Ansar slogans, the crowd, swelling into the thousands, moved on to try to storm a separate compound where the powerful pro-government Rafallah al-Sahati militia was entrusted with guarding a big weapons store, and opened fire on the assailants.

Looters carried weapons out of the compound as men chanted: "Say to Ansar al-Sharia: 'Benghazi will be your inferno!'"

Officials at three hospitals told a Reuters correspondent they had a total of five dead and more than 60 wounded from the night's violence.

A trail of blood near two abandoned cars led police to six more dead bodies near the Rafallah al-Sahati compound on Saturday morning, police officer Ahmed Ali Agouri said.

"We came as peaceful protesters. When we got there they started shooting at us," student Sanad al-Barani said. "Five people were wounded beside me. They used 14.5 mm machineguns."

The withdrawal of Ansar al-Sharia across Benghazi and the huge outpouring of public support for the government suggests an extraordinary transformation in a country where the authorities had seemed largely powerless to curb the influence of militia groups armed with heavy weapons.

Nevertheless, Ansar al-Sharia and other Islamist militias have bases elsewhere in eastern Libya, notably around the coastal city of Derna, known across the region as a major recruitment centre for fighters who joined the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria.

"RESCUE BENGHAZI"

Thousands of Libyans had marched in Benghazi on Friday in support of democracy and against the Islamist militias that Washington blames for the assault on its consulate. Hundreds of Ansar al-Sharia supporters held their own protest.

Friday's "Rescue Benghazi Day" demonstration called for the government to disband armed groups that have refused to give up their weapons since the NATO-backed revolution last year.

"It's obvious that this protest is against the militias. All of them should join the army or security forces as individuals, not as groups," student Ahmed Sanallah said. "Without that there will be no prosperity and no success for the new Libya."

Although the main demands of the marchers did not mention the attack on the U.S. consulate, it seems to have provided a strong impetus for the authorities to rally support behind the weak national government.

One banner at the Ansar al-Sharia demonstration read: "Day to rescue Benghazi or day to rescue America?"

U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens was well liked, and many Libyans condemned the attack on the consulate despite being angered by the anti-Islamic U.S.-made film that triggered it.

Some protesters' placards read: "We demand justice for Stevens" and "Libya lost a friend." Others had mixed views.

"I am out today to defend Benghazi. Killing the ambassador is a completely separate thing," said 26-year-old Amjad Mohammed Hassan, a network engineer. "I don't give a damn about the killing of the ambassador because the Americans offended the Prophet. I am just here for Benghazi."

Benghazi, 1,000 km (600 miles) from Tripoli across largely empty desert, is controlled by various armed groups, including some comprised of Islamists who openly proclaim their hostility to democratic government and the West.
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Egyptian prank TV show angers guests over Israel
CAIRO -- When Egyptian actor Ayman Kandeel believes he has been tricked into appearing on an Israeli television network, he smacks the show’s producer and charges to slap the female host, throwing her into a corner.

He curses, tosses chairs, and single-handedly demolishes the set. Just before the famous actor reaches for his gun holster, the crew finally tells him he is a guest on a prank show and that everyone in the studio is actually Egyptian. A crew member admonishes Kandeel: “Shame on you for hitting a woman.”

Kandeel, who admittedly carries a gun in these uncertain times of political unrest, hugs the young host and apologizes: “You brought it upon yourself,” he said.

Presented by relatively unknown Egyptian actress Iman Mubarak, "Alhokm Baad Al mozawla," or “Judgment After a Prank” aired daily during the month of Ramadan as millions of viewers tuned in after breaking their evening fasts. The shows were taped in advance to guarantee no one was tipped off and the hoax was successful. Apparently, none of the guests leaked word of the spoof.
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brihaspati wrote:In your hurry - you forgot to see that I said you "quoted". Why do you assume that others copy without reading like you do? :P
Lol as usual rather than talk about the issues in Syria, you are more interested in starting petty arguments. You say I "imediately balance it" i.e. implying I am controlling what part of the tweet is being posted. Which is why I said I just copied and pasted a tweet. LOL :rotfl: Isn't the lack of support in the cities a negative? If they had a huge lack of support do you think they can do all the operations that they have been doing?

Like you said in my "hurry" - I havent got time to waste on petty arguments. Why don't you post more articles instead of starting petty arguments? If you have a view - state it. If you dont believe what I am writing - you can choose to ignore or post something to the contrary - no one is holding a gun to your head and blocking you from posting or forcing you to read! :lol:
Did you find any news about the rebels militarily losing - moving away - retreating, suffering setbakcs, losses - anywhere?
Plenty - I said that FSA initially were made up of admin services and weren't effective at all. I also said that they are not interested in holding territory yet, I've also posted that they are withdrawing several times and described how Asad troops are trying to cut off supply lines and the problems FSA face in moving the arms inside syria... just to name a few.
You see, your idea of negatives - follow the pattern you used a long time ago - to try and prove that Muslims didn't expel/committed genocide of Jews. Lets look at your negatives:
aaahh.. apples and oranges
"made up of admin service and weren't effective"
you give excuses as to why they are not "effective", so your negative is about why FSA cannot immediately/quickly thrash Assad.
"not interested in holding territory" is a negative for you, so that covers for failure to hold territory. Until they actually hold territory, you can cover for them by saying they are not "interested".
"FSA is facing problems" - all by external sources, Assad not letting them have their cake, trying to cut off their supplies.
But absolutely nothing from within the so-called FSA that is "negative" - no intrinsic or internal factors you ever come across that is negative from within the FSA. Why don't you do a similar big-issues neutral analysis for Assad too? How Assad is not "interested" in holding on to Kurdi territory for example and hence "left it"! How Assad is not managing a quick victory because of external problems created by beloved Sunni hosts from around the Gulf!
LOL! Of course I'll just use the same tactic you are using - can you prove that they want to hold territory? Its hilarious because the FSA in itself is so poorly armed - it would be stupid to even try and hold vaste swathes of territory at this stage. And of course the fact that they show up in say Aleppo - fight and draw Asad offensive there with air power etc (from the beginning I said they will use this tactic to force attrition on the Asad forces) and then a month later use the cover to send arms to other cities and launch an offensive in another city while rebels pull out of Aleppo and then ASad troops move to the other city while rebels just return to the same place in Aleppo and re-stock on supplies - this appears to be a shock to you? This is the same tactic used world over - from Taliban to Al Shabab to Abyan.

FYI - I've talked about Asad using the PKK to launch attacks inside Turkey and spoken about operations in Lebanon to cut off supply lines. I also said while there was a machine gun fight at his palace in Damascus that it is not at all over for Asad and he has plenty of troops left who are better trained to fight and hold territory in the west if need be - while people were saying its over its over...

On Kurdistan - Did you miss the agreement Asad has with a faction of the PKK and also the Iranians who have negotiatd with the PJAK who are conducting operations in support of the Asad's intelligence services?

You are keen to prove that things are going bad for the rebels, just last week you said that there were no defections and I posted the article to show that Asad's cousin - an air force officer announced defection - that seems to have upset you lol.

Also FYI - people were saying Libyan rebels would be crushed in a week and they couldn't win back Adjabia and they kept losing territory etc much like in Syria. Same here even at the start - people were saying Syrian revolution is just a "storm in a tea cup" and that weapons weren't getting in - all the while I was saying they were getting through and just a few weeks later the world saw the offensive in Damascus. I say what I hear and so far its been pretty accurate.

I have nothing to prove to you.
You will never post anything that tarnishes any bit of Arabic Sunni islamism, or perceived GCC interests. You will avoid those other issues not because they do not have any impact on bigger issues, they very well do for it has already affected formal western support [just have to tick off the money coming from which countries - including the recent ones from UK, which plays along with Saudi interests anyway]- but becuase they expose what GCC islamics actually translate into on ground.
Lol big statement there... Again no evidence to bakc thatup - I've said that Qatar is backing the islamist groups and I said well before that the Libyans and jihadi's were entering the arena well before any offensive!

ANd I also spoke about what the Syrians think matters (you conveniently forgot that bit) - if they want the revolution it will succeed, if the rebels get upto mischief and people will drop their support to the rebels and they will lose.
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^^^

shyamd ji please don't stop posting your info. its invaluable at times. I believe that everyone here is free to paste his own viewpoints. It helps us nanha mujahids when different sources are provided.
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^^ Thanks - if someone thinks or knows something different to what I find I dont understand why they don't post it.

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Saudi millions and special forces expertise turn Syria's rebels into a fighting force
Syria's ragtag rebel army is being turned into a disciplined military force, with the help of tens of millions of dollars of funding from the Middle East and under the watchful gaze of foreign former special forces.
Saudi millions and special forces expertise turn Syria's rebels into a fighting force: General Mustafa Sheikh (L) holds a speech during a meeting at the Supreme Military Council Head Quarter


By Ruth Sherlock, Idlib Province, Syria

7:40PM BST 21 Sep 2012

Hidden under olive groves in the rolling countryside of Syria’s northern Idlib province, of which a vast swathe is now in opposition hands, more than a dozen training camps have been set up in which young men prepare for the fight against President Bashar al-Assad’s military.

In one camp seen by The Daily Telegraph this week, recruits were put through their paces on an arduous obstacle course. Timed to the shouts of Commander Abdel Kadr, a military officer who has defected, the men vaulted walls, scrambled under razor wire mesh and swung along ropes in the tree tops.

Two men looked on from the tented sleeping quarters nearby. Tall with shaven heads, fair skin, bulging pectoral muscles, and biceps covered in tattoos, they were incongruous among the scrawny young fighters. They could not speak Arabic and were extremely unhappy in the presence of The Daily Telegraph.

The men, who use the code names Radwan and Mohammed, come from Scandinavia, but have requested that the country not be disclosed.


Though they refused to speak, saying only that they were “here to help”, recruits in the Free Syrian Army told this newspaper that the men were ex-special forces working as military advisers.

“The Free Syrian Army at first didn’t exist, it was just an idea. Now we are trying to turn this into a reality,” said Louay al-Mokdad, a coordinator for the FSA in charge of channelling much of the foreign funding into Syria. Unlike most of Syria’s rebel “brigades”, who, with informal behaviour and mismatched uniforms bear little relation to a conventional army, the men in this training camp wore identical uniforms and conducted themselves with military discipline.

As Commander Kadr arrived, the men sprung to attention with a salute. Answers were given in the shouted delivery of soldiers responding to a command.

“We have 20 men training, 12 on vacation and some on missions,” said one recruit. To some questions he replied that the information was “classified” and the “strength of an army is in its secrets”.

For three weeks the men are subjected to extensive physical training, gun practice on a firing range, lessons in military discipline, and instruction in military tactics, such as how to attack a sniper or move under fire. Trainees cannot leave the camp without permission.

Failure to follow the rules leads to “hard physical punishment” or expulsion. Many of the men undergoing the extensive training are civilians.

“I was studying in Damascus and I went to the first protests,” said a 21-year-old, who would not give his name. “And then the massacres started. You see it on TV and you hate it, and then you feel it and you hate it more. Then either you die with your hate or you go to fight.”

There are 18 such training camps spread across Idlib province, as well as some in the suburbs of Damascus, FSA commanders said. Rebels denied that other camps also had foreign advisers, but one source said it was something that was under consideration.

The spread of training facilities comes as part of a wider concerted effort to unite disparate groups of rebel fighters who tend to work independently of each other. For the past three months, General Mustafa al-Sheikh, the head of the FSA’s ruling military council, has been leaving the Syrian military defector’s camp in Turkey and travelling through Idlib and Aleppo provinces to meet his men. On Thursday, followed by a cavalcade of his private security team and open-air trucks full of local fighters who shouted “praise the FSA”, Gen al-Sheikh travelled to a village in Idlib province to deliver his message.

“The international community has forgotten that Syrians are the people of freedom. We have thousands of years in this land which was visited by Jesus and the Prophet Mohammed,” he told the congregation in the local mosque.

“We are separate and this benefits the regime. If we don’t get organised we will not win.”

The operation comes with weighty foreign funding. Mostly from Saudi Arabia, tens of millions of dollars are being poured into the area to pay for weapons, training and support to FSA divisions, coordinators told The Daily Telegraph.

Back at the civilian home that has become the newly formed headquarters in Idlib, Gen al-Sheikh held a meeting with the representatives of the province’s newly formed military council.

As the sun set behind them, more than 30 men, nearly all of them soldiers who have defected and now head a rebel unit in the province, held heated discussions on how to unite the groups.

This for the moment remains a pipe dream. Gen al-Sheikh’s efforts are one of several attempts by groups with competing ideologies vying for influence in the largely liberated province and throughout the country.

Islamist groups, such as Ahrar al-Sham and the extremist Jabhat al-Nusra, are also seeking to expand their foothold on the “liberated” territory, as are rebel units supported by Qatar, whose relationship with Saudi Arabia has turned sour in recent months.

But Gen al-Sheikh’s men speak the language of the West, espousing a secular ideology that includes a pluralistic society run according to democratic principles. In uniting rebel groups they hope to become the dominant fighting force against the regime and attract support from the international community.

Dr Kamal Labwani is a ghost from the Assad family’s past. He was imprisoned for 10 years for opposing the rule of Mr Assad’s iron-fisted father, Hafez, during the 1970s. Briefly a member of the Syrian National Council, he now rallies foreign governments to support the opposition.

He accompanied Gen al-Sheikh on this most recent tour inside Syria and echoes the general’s message of reconciliation between groups.

“We are starting from zero. You have to start from the ground up to rebuild democracy,” he said.
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Free Syrian Army 'move command centre inside Syria'
The rebel Free Syrian Army (FSA) has announced that it has moved its command centre from Turkey to "liberated areas" inside Syria.

Iraq to search Syria-bound Iranian aircraft

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Qatar is handling the cash/purchasing and French Intelligence is handling the transport of arms. Sheikh Hamad has been visiting Paris on a monthly basis to discuss project Syria.
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shyamd,
I am not interested in proving that the rebels are losing or are in trouble. I was curious about your not posting any retreat/military defeats for them - whereas all the news you post are about Assad getting bashed. Maybe you are keen to prove that anti-Assad forces, especially the group operating from Idlib - are winning. When you mention FSA rollback - you mention them as voluntary tactical "withdrawal", not any defeat. Nothing similar ever drops from your comments about Assad in parallel.

As for "defections", with your usual practice misquoting or outright lying, I had merely asked when the next "high level" defections were coming, or that no new "defections" seem to be announced. You reacted immediately to search for news about defections and posted. Take that as encouragement, can't you? :D

Whether Assad stays or loses does not matter to me. If GCC forces win, then of course I will be disappointed - because GCC win means more power to Saudi mullahcracy, which in turn means more power to those Indians who are in the business of ensuring Saudi penetration of India at ever increasing levels, which in turn means strengthening of anti-hindu forces within India. There is no dearth of mercantile mentalities from within Indian elite who see benefits in continued financial flows from the Saudi domain because it benefits such mentalities under pretensions that it will all trcikle down to the aam, and they will care a fib if Islamists grow evermore in strength within India.

Meanwhile instead of the small picture info about how in spite of all misgivings about FSA immediately bashing up Assad because Saudi riyals are invincible, here is another big-picture assessment :

http://www.syrianews.cc/syria-libya-and ... ll-latour/
Editor: You mentioned Saudi Arabia. Is the danger, which is posed by Saudi-Arabia, underestimated?

Mr. Scholl-Latour: There are two forces. On the one hand, the government, it has an interest in the status quo and seeks the protection of the Americans. And on the other side, there are the religious institutions – and they are relentless. The people, who have blown up the World Trade Center, were no Afghans, they were Saudis.

And if hate preachers occur here, then they are persons from Saudi Arabia. It is the land that is, in terms of religion, the most reactionary country of all. But one needs the Saudis, just because of the oil. The Americans have totally taken a side and want to make the Saudis strong against the Iran. And we (Germany) provide (Saudi Arabia) them with another 600 Leos (tanks).

Editor: How do you assess the situation in Syria?

Mr. Scholl-Latour: The Assad regime was bad, but it was no better and not worse than others. In terms of religion, the Syrians have been infinitely much more tolerant than Saudi Arabia, which do not tolerate Christians at all, where one is not allowed to import cross and a Bible. Syria is much more liberal. But the whole wrath of the West is against Assad and they do not consider who is really part of the opposition.

This uprising in Aleppo is no longer a Syrian uprising. The ones, who are really fighting, are mostly people who have previously fought in Iraq, running around with black flags and they totally reject the West. They are what is commonly known as Al Qaeda. These bombings, which are occurring in Syria again and again, which are not carried out by Syrian nationalists, must be implemented by people who are deeply steeped in religion.

In Syria strange as it sounds, Al Qaeda became an ally of the Americans. We came there to the absurd situation that Assad will eventually be overthrown, which will lead to a long civil war.

The twelve percent of the Alawites in the Syrian population know that after the fall of Assad that they will not only lose their privileges, but that they also would get massively massacred. But the Alawites will defend themselves to the last. The war could then jump on Iraq.
Some people appear to be thinking that, its no longer just Syrian people's desires but about the "revolution" aka Saudi promoted Islamist jihad but also about non-Syrian desires.
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http://www.rudaw.net/english/news/syria/5231.html

Leader of Muslim Brotherhood Opposes Kurdish Entity in Syria

The Syrian Muslim Brotherhood’s secretary general, Mohammed Riad al-Shaqfa, emphasized his party’s rejection of a Kurdish entity being established in Syria.

In an interview with the Turkish newspaper Cumhuriyet, Shaqfa revealed the Muslim Brotherhood’s worries regarding developments in the Kurdish areas of Syria, and stated that there is no such a thing as a “Kurdish region” in the country.

“There is no one single purely Kurdish area in Syria and the Kurds are a minority in northeastern areas since they live with other components of Syrian society there,” Shaqfa told Cumhuriyet.

He added, “We clearly oppose the ambitions of establishing a Kurdish entity in Syria.”

Most research estimates Syrian Kurds make up between 12 and 15 percent of the population in Syria. However, Shaqfa claims, “The Kurds in Syria do not constitute more than 5 percent.”

Shaqfa’s statements angered many Syrian Kurdish activists and politicians, and caused controversy between the different revolutionary forces in Syria.

Massoud Akko, a prominent Syrian Kurdish activist and member of the Syrian Journalists Association (SJA), told Rudaw on Thursday that the statements by the leader of the Syrian Muslim Brotherhood went too far.

“This is not the first time for Riad al-Shaqfa to issue such flawed statements about the Kurds,” Akko said. “Neither Shaqfa and his group nor any other opposition party know the precise percentage of Kurdish people in Syria.”

He added, “The Kurdish population … should be based on the results of research, not by issuing baseless statements in this regard, because there was never a neutral or official census concerning the Syrian Kurds.”

“My advice to Mr. Riad al-Shaqfa and his entire group is to read more about the Kurds before issuing any statement; otherwise, it would be better for them to shut up,” Akko concluded.

According to Akko, such hostile statements by opposition leaders against the Kurds reinforce the divisions in Syria.

“Shaqfa and his group reveal their hostility to the Kurdish people, and that doesn’t serve the revolution and its goals. I think that such a position represents a serious danger to the future of the Kurdish people and their issue in Syria, in the case that the Muslim Brotherhood rules the country someday,” Akko said.

He continued, “They should review these shameful statements and attitudes which basically spread a spirit of hatred between them and the Kurdish people.”

Regarding the establishment of a Kurdish entity in Syria, Akko stated, “That is one of the legitimate rights for Kurds in Syria according to all the international conventions and the U.N. Declaration of Human Rights. The Kurds are a nation and it is their legitimate and unquestionable right to be an independent entity and enjoy their sovereignty on their own land.”

However, Akko noted that none of the Kurdish factions have demanded that an independent Kurdish entity be established in Syria, and that their ultimate demand is for a decentralized federal state as is found in Germany, Switzerland, the U.S and the U.A.E.

An alternative demand is the right to a self-governed Kurdish region where the Kurds can enjoy an autonomous administrative rule, a right they have been deprived of for decades under different Syrian governments.

Akko argued that a Kurdish state is a right, and any denial of this by any party or opposition faction is unacceptable and should be condemned by all Kurds.

“The main question remains whether it can be implemented, because this issue is relevant to the geopolitical circumstances in the region,” Akko said, also noting the importance of international support towards reaching this Kurdish ambition.

“Anyway, nothing is impossible,” he concluded. “Where there’s a will, there is a way.”
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Some more views on the difficulties happening:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... west-assad
The opposition Syrian National Council has come under attack from within and without. Western governments have given up on its ability to unite the opposition and some high-profile members have resigned.

Western governments, along with Qatar, Saudi and Turkey, have begun building channels of communication with grassroots opposition groups and activists by training them to run liberated areas and prepare for a post-Assad Syria.

A western diplomat who works on Syrian issues has told me that these countries are tapping into such groups to prevent the spread of militias after the downfall of the regime. The diplomat said that although the SNC receives sufficient relief resources, the funds are misspent. And, despite frequent attempts, the council failed to reform itself.

Ziour al-Omar, a Kurdish figure and a former member of the SNC, said:

"When the council was formed, there was a kind of balance between its components: secularists, liberals, nationalists, Islamists and other religious groups.

The imbalance occurred at a later stage when Islamist forces managed to control the decision-making process within the council, a development that had been watched closely and with discomfort by the international community.
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Members of the SNC sense the attempts to sideline it and have taken steps to assert its presence. The council is building ties with the more popular Free Syrian Army (FSA) and there is a plan to change the FSA's name to the Syrian National Army – the similarity of names is not a coincidence but a clear attempt to maintain the Syrian National Council as the leading brand.

Despite its current failure, however, sidelining the Syrian National Council is a mistake. While it is an effective policy to build channels of grassroots communication, that is not enough. Instead of abandoning the council, the west and its allies in the region must throw their weight behind reforming the council.

There are several risks in abandoning the council. Political legitimacy will be a decisive factor in maintaining order after the downfall of the regime. Without a legitimate political body, the risk of the country lapsing into chaos is extremely high. Establishing legitimacy must not be deferred to the transition period, as some suggest, because it takes time, and should be proven through palpable contribution to the downfall of the regime.

Because of this lack of legitimacy and the council's performance, anti-regime fighters are planning the future of the country without the council. The rebels believe the council is idly waiting to be handed the keys to the country by the Free Syrian Army. They have a point. How can a political body that claims to represent people in a complex struggle against a brutal regime have members living in different parts of the world without dedication to the cause?

According to Hussein Jamo, a Kurdish-Syrian journalist who embedded with the FSA in Aleppo for a week, the fighters began to give up on the council by the turn of the year. Criticism by activists and fighters on the ground heightened when the SNC failed to provide relief work after the regime's violent escalation that turned several cities to rubble. SNC member Ridwan Ziada has blamed the donor countries for this, saying the first funds received by the council were in February.

The persistence of rifts within the opposition and the rise of extremism are driving more people towards the Assad camp. Also, the failure of the council has a direct impact on the unity and operations of the anti-regime fighters. The selective distribution of ammunition, according to Jamo, is a major cause of rifts among brigades of the FSA. Ziour al Omar said the council's top leadership distributes the money they receive among themselves and then spend it for the uprising as they see fit. "Each member then distributes it to his own supporters," he said.

The west must tie support and funding for the council to reform and inclusiveness. Some groups and figures within the council have already established channels of financial support in the region, which means the west must work with its regional allies.

The unconditional flow of funding, along with other factors, impede progress. Influential members feel they do not need to bow to pressure and cede monopoly over the council. According to an SNC member, Syrian Muslim Brotherhood leader Mohammed Riad al-Shiqfa has said: "The west has no choice but to deal with us [the council]."

There is a pervasive attitude among SNC members that the issue of unity has been put forward by the international community to justify inaction. SNC member Ghassan Mufleh called the issue of unity a "concoction" and said that "a person with conscious"[sic] should not speak about reassuring the minorities when the majority is being persecuted. [this is a statement we should always remember!] Such a statement is an example of why many Syrians are averse to the council.

Different countries share some of the blame for the current state of the council, due to heavy interference early on (particularly from Turkey), the little support for the council when it was more representative and because some allied themselves with certain groups or individuals within the opposition. Those factors led to rifts, confusion and mixed messages.

Yet, the council has proven that it would not reform itself on its own. The international community must take serious steps to help the council reform or to form a new one.
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Assad has already done some tactical moves wrt Kurds. He's kept them away from the "rebels" till now. if they join the fray with a loose understanding with Assad against the rebels, the Sunni rebels' goose will be cooked. Aleppo becomes an impossible target in that case and their tactic of keeping pressure on both Damascus and Aleppo and switching at opportune moments becomes untenable.
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Not sure whether this escaped notice before - search on BRF did not yield any posting on this - so: Basma Kodmani has resigned from SNC. This is not a defection but change of camps. Basma is an interesting study anyway in her own right.

A prominent figure in the Syrian National Council (SNC), resigned on Tuesday, the latest of several senior members to leave the leading Syrian opposition group this year.
http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2 ... 34827.html
A prominent figure in the Syrian National Council (SNC), resigned on Tuesday, the latest of several senior members to leave the leading Syrian opposition group this year.

The others have cited personal rivalries within the leadership and have suggested that the SNC is not doing enough to back the increasingly militarized 17-month revolt against Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.
“Today we stand without protection against horrific massacres from Houla to Daraya and the blood of the people flowing in the streets of our towns and villages,” said Basma Kodmani, based in Paris and one of few women in the council.

“The council did not win the needed credibility and did not preserve the confidence that was given to it by the people when it was formed, it has diverted from the path that we wanted for it when we formed it,” she said in a statement. The SNC was formed in Istanbul in last year as an umbrella organization to guide a democratic transition if Assad fell. Kodmani said she will continue working to support the revolt.
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A slightly older inner view :
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/au ... al-council
US, Britain and France are scrambling to retain their influence with Syrian opposition groups amid fears that most support from the Gulf states has been diverted towards extremist Islamic groups.

Rising concern that an increasingly sectarian civil war could spread across the region, combined with reports of brutality by some opposition groups, and evidence that the best-organised and best-funded rebel groups are disproportionately Salafist (militant Sunni fundamentalists), has triggered an urgent policy change in western capitals.

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On Friday, the UK announced £5m in new non-military aid to Syrian opposition groups, pointedly insisting that all the recipients should be organisations inside Syria, therefore excluding the SNC. Clinton's meetings in Istanbul were also intended to sidestep the exile group, on the grounds that it had little influence on events inside Syria.

"This was a conclusion the state department came to some time ago, and it is just now percolating through into policy," said Joseph Holliday, an expert on the Syrian rebels at the Washington-based Institute for the Study of War.

Both Wilks and the US ambassador to Syria, Robert Ford – who was withdrawn from Damascus last October out of concern for his safety – took part in an unpublicised meeting in Cairo at the beginning of the month. The aim of the meeting, organised by the Doha centre of the Washington-based Brookings Institution thinktank, and attended by external and internal opposition groups including the FSA, was to set up a broad-based committee to hammer out a mutually agreed transition plan.

In France, the government of François Hollande is under intense pressure, particularly from former president Nicolas Sarkozy, to intervene directly on the side of the opposition.

Fabrice Balanche, a Syria expert at the University of Lyon, said the incoming foreign minister, Laurent Fabius, "realised that France had invested too much political capital in the SNC". He said the new government had instead thrown its weight behind Manaf Tlass – a former Republican Guard general and member of Bashar al-Assad's inner circle – who defected in July. France is hoping the FSA will coalesce around Tlass, providing some coherence to the disparate array of militias.

However, a Syrian financier linked to the opposition warned that the FSA would remain divided as long as it relied on multiple, uncoordinated sources of funding. "The local brigade commanders on the ground swear allegiance to whoever supports them and the expat community sending them money is completely divided," the financier said. "These are [Syrian] expats in the States and the Gulf using their own trusted channels for getting money through, so the money is pouring in from many different pockets. The number of fighters each commander can summon wax and wane with his ability to arm and pay them and their families, so there is no particular leader with enough clout to bring the brigades together."

The exceptions to this rule, he said, were Saudi Arabia and Qatar, but that money went disproportionately to Salafist and jihadist groups. "The most organised systems are run by extreme Islamist groups and they have the highest income. The more extreme brutality tends to come from that direction, but they have the most ammunition and guns, and they get their money from a unified source. All the other money comes from multiple sources and multiple channels. You can only unify these units with a unified source of money."

Julien Barnes-Dacey, a Middle Eastern expert at the European Council for Foreign Relations, said that western states realised that "if they don't get on board now, they will lose every opportunity of leverage. If the Saudis and Qataris run loose with the groups they are backing, there will be great chance of blowback."

"Blowback" is a term widely used to describe the backing of jihadist rebels against the Soviet army in Afghanistan in the 1980s, which provided a recruiting ground for al-Qaida and global jihadism. According to western diplomats, a Kuwaiti sheikh is also playing a key role in channelling money collected in the Gulf to militant groups judged to have sufficient Salafist credentials.


Western influence with the FSA is limited by a continued refusal to supply arms because of the uncertainty of where the weapons would end up. Barack Obama is reported to have issued a "presidential finding" (a secret executive order) earlier this year, stepping up CIA activity in and around Syria, but that too stopped short of arms supplies.
The question now is : if we are to collate the two types of perspectives on what is happening, on the one hand we have the claim that "Saudi millions" and "western" special-forces are converting the "ragtag rebels" into an "army". On the other we have the perspective that - west is wary of Saudi money which is primarily being targeted to promote Salafist-Sunni Saudi loyal Islamist jihadis, but also wary of supplying sufficient hardware to rebels on ground for fear of a "blowback".

Thus there is a clear conflict of interest between that of the "west" and the "Saudis" as to the exact ideological nature of the future rebel movement. Whatever the west does, combined with its failure to acknowledge the ideological nature of the genocidic meme inherent in the Saudi version, as well dependence on Saudi oil, the general perception of west as merely useful tools on the way to Caliphate by the islamists, means that the west is at a disadvantage w.r.t the Saudis.

Saudis will increase their control or influence among the rebels, and Islamists will increase in influence among the rebels. Ultimately Assad or no Assad, the minorities will seek a more consolidated or mangeable territory - and if at all war stops, it will be a virtual partition. Territorial gains of course will be made by the Saudi linked islamists.

FSA is a misnomer, as it will increasingly become an AIS - army of Islamic Syria. Now this should be a good lesson to study a potential route to power for Saudi linked Islamists in India too.
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BChapati can you please post some GCC Zindabad stories just to keep the balance?
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Mahendra wrote:BChapati can you please post some GCC Zindabad stories just to keep the balance?
When did the good colonel resurrect? :D If you imply me, then I am far from restoring balance yet. Maybe after restoration?
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Daughter of Wahhabi King Abdullah comes to India

She told MEA she wants to do something like this http://articles.cnn.com/2010-07-29/worl ... s=PM:WORLD in India.

India help sought to restore Saudi mudrelics
Is keen to host photo exhibition of its archaeological discoveries

New Delhi The princess of Saudi Arabia, Adela Bint Abdullah Bin Abdul Aziz, has discussed the possibility of sharing Indian experience and expertise in excavation and exploration of archaeological heritage in her country with the Archaeological Survey of India (ASI) during her six-day visit to India.

“Saudi Arabia wants India to help it decipher epigraphs - old inscriptions, develop museums, archives and share skills in conservation of monuments,” Gautam Sengupta, director-general of Archaeological Survey of India, told IANS.


Sengupta said “many of the ancient structures in Saudi Arabia are built of mud-brick like the Harappan sites and her country wanted Indian expertise to conserve the relics”. In countries like India and Saudi Arabia, “where there is abundant sunlight, fired brick is much more stable”, he said.

The Saudi Arabian princess, daughter of King Abdullah, who is leading a delegation to India on a visit since Tuesday, met senior ASI officials for more than an hour on Wednesday in what is being described as the first-ever discussion of cultural issues between the two countries.

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“We also discussed the idea of exchanging scientific publication and information about what is happening in two countries. Saudi Arabia is keen to host a photo exhibition of its archaeological discoveries and cultural initiatives in the Indian capital — along with screenings of films and lectures by scholars,” the ASI official said.

But the discussions were “preliminary and exploratory”, Sengupta said.

The princess also visited the Indian Council for Cultural Relations, the National Museum and the National Handicrafts and Handloom Museum. She will also be visiting Agra before returning home.
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^ perhaps ASI should start with restoring Mecca to its original form.
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At the least ASI can assist SA in proving that horse domestication originated first in Arabia...true win-win for both countries.
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http://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/anal ... 012/09/23/

Syria: Is the Proposed Cure Worse than the Status Quo?


Originally published at Rubin Reports.

The Syrian civil war has crossed a red line. Some people may think this happened a few weeks or months ago but at any rate it is clearly true now. The prospects for an Islamist (Muslim Brotherhood, Salafist, and Jihadist) takeover have risen high enough that it is better to freeze Western intervention. In other words, the West should not do more to aid the rebellion and should consider stopping its current efforts in that direction.

Here is a fact so shocking that it should be the centerpiece of any discussion over Syria. It is so important I’m going to put it in bold:
The Obama Administration is backing (Islamist) Turkey as the distributor of weapons supplied by (opportunistically pro-Islamist) Qatar. Turkey and Qatar want to give the Muslim Brotherhood a monopoly over receiving weapons even though most of the rebels are non- and even anti-Islamist. As this happens, the Obama Administration is thus working directly to install a revolutionary Islamist regime in Syria that will disrupt the region, help shred, U.S. interests, and battle with Israel for decades to come. A number of Republican senators see no problem with this strategy. Actually, it’s even worse. Due to historical developments, the Syrian Brotherhood is more radical than its Egyptian counterpart. To maintain illegality under President Husni Mubarak, for decades the Egyptian Brotherhood had to restrain itself. Those who wanted violent revolution and faster action left to form separate Salafist groups. The Egyptian Brotherhood today sometimes cooperates with these groups–whose party finished second in the parliamentary elections–but they are also rivals.In Syria, however, the underground Brotherhood had no incentive to hold back. Consequently, while there are certainly a lot of non-Brotherhood Salafists, there are also a large proportion of really violent, impatient, open extremists in the Syrian Brotherhood. To do a simple analogy, the Syrian Brotherhood is more like Hamas than those slick Brotherhood leaders in Cairo who care to fool the West with their honeyed words. A Brotherhood-run Syria, with Salafists egging on the regime, would be an instant nightmare.

And so Western and especially American policy is doing tremendous harm: not by helping the “rebels” but by working with Turkey and Qatar to help the most anti-Western, anti-American, antisemitic, extremist rebels, the Muslim Brotherhood and the Jihadists from smaller groups all the way up to al-Qaida. If you are interested in the details read this remarkable report by Ammar Abuhamid, the best-informed and very honest Syrian analyst on what’s going on.

In brief, there is a massive battle on the opposition side to see who emerges as the greater power–the Islamists or the anti-Islamists ( defected army officers who are nationalists; moderate Sunni Muslims from the urban middle class; conservative, traditionalist Sunni Muslims who hate the Brotherhood; Kurdish nationalists; and even local, non-ideological warlords. And the West is supporting the wrong side.

By the way, the Saudis have a slightly different perspective. On one hand, they want a Sunni-dominated regime in Syria that will be anti-Iran and friendly to Saudi Arabia. They wouldn’t mind if it was heavily Islamic and since the main priority is destroying Iran’s number-one Arab ally, the Saudis will help the Muslim Brotherhood and various smaller Jihadist groups. But they prefer a regime that isn’t going to subvert them and create regional instability. In Iraq the Saudis supported Sunni groups that were affiliated with al-Qaida to beat the hated Shia. In Lebanon, the Saudis support moderate Sunni forces against pro-Iran Hizballah.

If there was U.S. leadership, a U.S.-Saudi partnership could promote a combination of Syrian moderate Sunnis and defected officers plus some sleazy–but non-Islamist–warlords. The American president would tell the Saudis–as well as Qatar and Turkey–that it regarded arming small Jihadist groups and the Brotherhood as an unfriendly act. That is not happening.What is happening is that the Turkish regime and Qatar want a radical Islamist Syria and are getting the Obama Administration’s help in bringing it about, an outcome supplemented by Saudi aid to America’s enemies.

Yet now there are clearly different groups in the opposition, as Abuhamid explains in detail. To give one example, the powerful Syria Martyrs’ Brigade is traditionalist but not Islamist, while the Islamic Front for the Liberation of Syria tells you its goal in its name. To compile a list of groups that will and will not get arms would be an easy task for the U.S. government.

Another issue that is being mishandled is that of Syria’s Kurds. The easiest thing the West could do would be to help Syria’s Kurds who just want autonomy, not to be subject to the current directorship, radical Arab nationalists, or Islamists. This would make the Kurds of Iraq, American allies, very happy. But Obama won’t do that because it would make Islamist-ruled Turkey, an enemy of America that President Barack Obama loves more than any other country in the region, very unhappy and so probably won’t happen.

I’m very sorry to write this article for two reasons:
–The Syrians have suffered so much it is understandable that one should help end this civil war as soon as possible and get rid of the current anti-American and pro-Iran dictatorship.

–It would be easy to have a good policy toward Syria: funneling help to the non- or anti-Islamist rebel forces. Yet the United States has not made this distinction under Obama and neither the mass media nor the politicians even seem to be aware of this issue. Its help often goes to radical anti-American who want to impose another dictatorship on Syria. The Turks want a Muslim Brotherhood government; the Qataris do, too. The Saudis want to get rid of the current regime and replace it with a Sunni, anti-Iran one. With proper U.S. leadership and coordination the Saudis might play a constructive role but given Obama’s policy they will mainly just support Sunni Islamists as they did in Iraq.As if to outdo America, the French government is actually supporting for Syria’s leader a loudmouth former regime insider of no proven talent who is a radical Arab nationalist and someone who the rebels loathe.


what is Israel doing wrt Syria right now? no big noticeable "announcements" by them. they have by and large kept mum. but they must be following the events very closely. it will be interesting to see if at any time they will step into a more active role (or perhaps they already have?).
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from the above article on page 2:
Predictions that President Bashar al-Asad would fall quickly were wrong. The regime is surviving and even regaining some ground. It has done so by yielding parts of the country where local rebel governments run by strongmen, Islamist, or defecting officers have taken over. Each little area is different but there is no U.S. strategy to help those who aren’t Islamist and are less radical. So it is a tragedy indeed. But to back the rebels in the wrong way will just help impose on Syria another dictatorship that will link up with other Sunni Islamists (including Egypt and Hamas) to promote regional instability and anti-Americanism.
So far I have seen absolutely no indication that any leaders on the Republican side understand this. Some of the latter, like Senator John McCain, are mindless interventionists. One can only hope that the next U.S. president understands the distinctions that must be made in Syria.
But let’s be clear here. The Obama Administration helped install an anti-American, destabilizing radical regime in Egypt. It has a big responsibility. What’s happening in Syria goes beyond that. There’s no rationale of claiming that Obama had limited influence or didn’t know what he was doing. The administration’s Syria policy is a direct crime against U.S. interests. It is also a grave blow against Israel, would condemn the Syrian people to decades of slavery, and would increase the likelihood of war and terrorism in the region.
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normally I would not post anything that is regurgitated by Vijay Prashad. but he now seems to have become an expert in ME affairs.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NI22Ak03.html
When Morsi asked the Saudi Arabia to sign up to the Contact Group, it had little choice but to join and take the fourth seat. A credible source from the website Jadaliyya tells me that the Saudi Arabia and the Iranians "struck a deal" at the Organization of the Islamic Conference meeting held in Mecca this August when the Contact Group idea was mooted. "The Saudis would drop its steroidal support of the Syrian opposition in return for the Iranians convincing Saudi Arabia's Eastern Province Shias to tone down their opposition against al-Saud, if not altogether stopping their protests, threats and demands," the source says.

A source from the Saudi Arabia Ministry of Foreign Affairs would neither affirm nor deny this story, but would say that "it is a likely tale. There were discussions between the two parties about a 'cease fire' in the eastern part." If the Saudi Arabia joined the Contact Group, these sources say, it is more likely because they were able to get something in return to help them deal with levels of unrest inside the Kingdom that they had neither predicted nor know exactly what to do with absent the use of massive force. Egypt's Foreign Minister Mohammed Kamel Amr told al-Jazeera's Rawya Rageh that he "sensed no exasperation from the Saudis over Iran's participation in the Contact Group."
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brihaspati wrote: When did the good colonel resurrect? :D
You probably meant the Brigadier . 8)
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What has given the west's ghoolies a sudden shiver is the fear of the vast quantities of arms awash in Syria right now in the hands of the ungodly,as was so superbly demonstrated in Libya,with the horrific attacks against US diplomats.The cracks that exist between the motley bunch of so-called Syrian Opposition,have been revealed to be anything but an organised and orderly resistance that could take over from Assad and bring about a sense of normality to a post-Assad situation.Every nation contributing to the anti-Assad conspiracy has its own joker-in-the-pack waiting to succeed him,adding to the confusion and grotesque savagery.

Meanwhile Egypt's new leader Morsi,has warned the US to change tack in its ME policy or face.....!

Mohammed Morsi warns US it needs to change Middle East policy
Mohammed Morsi has warned the United States that its Middle East policies must change after the Arab Spring, and the onus is on Washington to heal its fraught relationship with the region.
By Phoebe Greenwood, Jerusalem

6:20PM BST 23 Sep 2012

In interviews on the eve of his departure for the United Nations General Assembly in New York, the Egyptian president gave an uncompromising critique of US policies in the Middle East, underscoring his growing reputation as figurehead of a new, democratic, defiant, and often Islamist Arab world.

He warned the US that its promotion of Israeli interests ahead of Palestinian independent has fostered deep anti-American sentiment across the Arab World.

He also said it was important to have a "strong relationship" with Iran, with which Egypt has had no diplomatic relations for more than 30 years.

Speaking a little over a week after four Americans were killed and others injured in mob attacks on US embassies in Libya, Yemen and Egypt, Mr Morsi told the New York Times: "Successive American administrations essentially purchased with American taxpayer money the dislike, if not the hatred, of the peoples of the region."

He said Washington had failed in its "special responsibility" to Palestinians as a signatory of the 1978 Camp David Accords, which bound the US to oversee the withdrawal of Israeli troops from the West Bank and Gaza and aid Palestinian independence.
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Mr Morsi said the US must honour its treaty with the Palestinian Authority if it expected Cairo to uphold its peace treaty with Israel.

"As long as peace and justice are not fulfilled for the Palestinians, then the treaty remains unfulfilled," he said.

Mr Morsi's position was warmly received in the West Bank where Nabil Shaath, a senior Palestinian negotiator, said it brought "comfort" to the Palestinians.

"[Mr Morsi] doesn't want war with Israel nor does he want to worsen his relationship with the US but he wants both sides to understand that he has his own independent demands of the relationship and they cannot take him for granted," Mr Shaath said.

He said it was indisputable Washington had not done enough to help the Palestinians achieve independence.

"If during the administration of a president like Mr Obama – a man of integrity who is committed to human rights – we can't get much out of the United States, what can we expect from a man like Mitt Romney?" Mr Shaath asked.

In Jerusalem, Israeli officials declined to respond other than to express hope that Mr Morsi shared Israel's commitment "to the continuation of peace".

America's relationship with Egypt, a strategic ally under the leadership of ex-President Hosni Mubarak, has cooled since the Muslim Brotherhood candidate was voted to power. In a recent television interview, President Obama expressed ambivalence, describing the new regime as neither an ally nor an enemy.

On September 11, in response to a film ridiculing the prophet Mohammed, protesters scaled the walls of the US embassy in Cairo and tore down the American flag.

The incident provoked widespread criticism in Washington, and Mr Morsi defended what some said was a slow response.

Before his departure on Sunday, Mr Morsi's official Facebook page posted extracts from a letter from President Obama thanking him for his defence of the embassy. The post added that the president was looking forward to building on their 'strategic partnership'.
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negi wrote:
brihaspati wrote: When did the good colonel resurrect? :D
You probably meant the Brigadier . 8)
Ok then there is a Ray of hope?
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devesh wrote:normally I would not post anything that is regurgitated by Vijay Prashad. but he now seems to have become an expert in ME affairs.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NI22Ak03.html
When Morsi asked the Saudi Arabia to sign up to the Contact Group, it had little choice but to join and take the fourth seat. A credible source from the website Jadaliyya tells me that the Saudi Arabia and the Iranians "struck a deal" at the Organization of the Islamic Conference meeting held in Mecca this August when the Contact Group idea was mooted. "The Saudis would drop its steroidal support of the Syrian opposition in return for the Iranians convincing Saudi Arabia's Eastern Province Shias to tone down their opposition against al-Saud, if not altogether stopping their protests, threats and demands," the source says.

A source from the Saudi Arabia Ministry of Foreign Affairs would neither affirm nor deny this story, but would say that "it is a likely tale. There were discussions between the two parties about a 'cease fire' in the eastern part." If the Saudi Arabia joined the Contact Group, these sources say, it is more likely because they were able to get something in return to help them deal with levels of unrest inside the Kingdom that they had neither predicted nor know exactly what to do with absent the use of massive force. Egypt's Foreign Minister Mohammed Kamel Amr told al-Jazeera's Rawya Rageh that he "sensed no exasperation from the Saudis over Iran's participation in the Contact Group."
Bahrain clashes have increased in intensity. Moreover, Syria could just be an excuse for people concentrate forces in strategic locations.
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negi wrote:
brihaspati wrote: When did the good colonel resurrect? :D
You probably meant the Brigadier . 8)
I was assumed to have done my research thoroughly. So you can see, I didnt.
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negi wrote: When did the good colonel resurrect? :D
You probably meant the Brigadier . 8)
brihaspati wrote: I was assumed to have done my research thoroughly. So you can see, I didnt.
So that shows rank indifference in your research :mrgreen:
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Syrian forces clear Aleppo
Syrian forces are clearing out the eastern neighborhoods of Aleppo.

Once they manage to liberate the area the road to the international airport will be free and passable.

After that, the government is planning to approach the south-eastern outskirts of the economic capital of Syria, which remains under the control of insurgents where this is currently fierce fighting being reported.

Syrian Special Forces are reflecting attempts by the insurgents in Aleppo to bring in reinforcements from the Turkish border.

Across the city there are more than 80 destroyed vehicles mounted with heavy machine guns.

Dozens of insurgents and mercenaries have been killed or wounded.
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The latest news from #Homs tonight as #Syria's war rages there & horrifying casualty figures mount, on @itvnews at 10.06pm.
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In #Homs,the front line in 1 area has moved 500 meters in 5 months.Rebels had position,now #Syrian troops hv it. The cost? 100's of lives.

Bill Neely ‏@billneelyitv
But FSA move makes leaders vulnerable 2 #Syrian attack.1 phone intercept & a MiG will be sent. Rebels claim downing of MiG today,thr 2nd.
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22 Sep Bill Neely ‏@billneelyitv
Move of rebel leaders 2 #Syria-signifcnt but not surprising. Bn criticised 4 being out of country & out of touch.Confident now of land taken
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22 Sep Bill Neely ‏@billneelyitv
#Syria's rebels hv finally done it. As men fot, leaders hv bn in Turkey.Until now.They've crossed 2 set up a command centre in Syria.
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22 Sep Bill Neely ‏@billneelyitv
In S.#Damascus,it's quieter today.Few plumes of smoke,no explosions.But in other areas,especially #Zamalka,the war rages-troops v edgy @ us
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22 Sep Bill Neely ‏@billneelyitv
Today,6 funerals of #Syrian troops at Tishreen Mil Hospital-all killed in #Damascus.In wards,7 soldiers in coma. 5-10 buried here every day.
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22 Sep Bill Neely ‏@billneelyitv
#Zamalka v tense & v different from 2 months ago-v heavy damage 2 buildings,active fighting. #Syrian army sniper firing single shots.
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#Zamalka a dead zone.500m No-Man's- Land.2 Syrian tanks,troops & Intell Police @ 1 end.Rebels @ other-they attacked today but repelled.
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pentaiah wrote:
negi wrote: When did the good colonel resurrect? :D
You probably meant the Brigadier . 8)
brihaspati wrote: I was assumed to have done my research thoroughly. So you can see, I didnt.
So that shows rank indifference in your research :mrgreen:
I should have said, I was accused of having done a thorough research on ......, but as my rank indifference shows, I did no such research.
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Didn't know dear Pakis love Assad too: (maybe with Chinese blessing)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/se ... divided-un
Even after Zerrougui gave her chilling briefing last week on the killing and torture of children, the response of the Russians and Chinese, together with Pakistan and Azerbaijan, was to seek (unsuccessfully) to restrict the scope of the UN envoy's inquiries and to refuse to back an annual resolution condemning the use of child soldiers and the deaths of children in conflict.
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A lot is being made of the "transfer" of FSA HQ into Syrian territory, to show control over that territory by FSA and loss of control by Assad - but of course the location "remains secret" to prevent attacks by government forces. [Think of Maoists having "liberated" large chunks of India, and controlling all that territory where Indian gov has "lost control", but the Maoist HQ still remains secret in territory they control and gov doesnt - to prevent gov attacks.]

However, the following item may indicate that the move might have less to do with any great assertion of control by FSA, and more about toning down criticism of absentee leadership.

Free Syrian Army rebel leaders face challenges on home ground
By Mariam Karouny and Dominic Evans
BEIRUT | Sun Sep 23, 2012 11:28am EDT
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/ ... 9Y20120923
(Reuters) - Free Syrian Army commanders hope that transferring their leadership to Syrian territory from exile in Turkey will make the rebel force more effective, but the challenge of unifying the disparate fighters is as great as ever
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Asaad has been based in Turkey for more than a year and has been portrayed as the leader of thousands of rebel fighters. But his absence from the battlefield and the geographically fragmented nature of the uprising has limited his authority. Many fighters, even among those who adopted the FSA label, said they would not answer to an officer in exile.

"One of the reasons for moving back into Syria is that whenever he speaks, you hear voices saying: 'You stay in your tent in Turkey - we are the ones doing the fighting'," the rebel source said. "This move will silence those voices."


STRUGGLE FOR UNITY

The video of Asaad's announcement was distributed by the rebel Umma Brigade, which says it has 6,000 fighters and is primarily active in Idlib province, where the FSA leadership would be based. The source said the move into Syria would also allow the FSA to restructure its leadership, though he gave no details.

While Asaad was in Turkey, the FSA established a leadership structure inside Syria based around local "military councils". Some of those councils formed a joint internal command, but still appear to operate separately along local lines. Many other rebels fight completely outside the FSA umbrella, prompting other attempts to bring the fighters together - including the announcement of a "National Army" headed by General Mohammad Haj Ali who defected to neighboring Jordan.

"All those people outside, they don't represent us," said one Islamist commander who has been fighting in Idlib.

Another rebel involved in a rival effort to rally the fighters under one unit said the FSA move would not be taken seriously.
"It's a media show. Asaad will only stay in Idlib for a few days - he is going to go back to his tent after that," he said.


"But we are happy to work with him if he comes back for good. It will be a morale boost and might be a helping factor in uniting them."
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This report in The Guardian from Syria is quite fascinating. Seems like a freakin' free-for-all, including al-Qaeda. This makes Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey, France, US, etc state sponsors of terrorism

Syria: the foreign fighters joining the war against Bashar al-Assad
If some of the foreign fighters in Aleppo were callow, others such as Abu Salam al Faluji boasted extraordinary experience. Abu Salam, a rugged Iraqi with a black keffiyeh wrapped around his head, said he had fought the Americans in Falluja when he was a young man. Later he joined al-Qaida in Iraq and spent many years fighting in different cities before moving to Syria to evade arrest. These days he was a commander of the one of the muhajiroun units.
"The problem is not ammunition, it's experience," he told me out of earshot of the rebels. "If we were fighting Americans we would all have been killed by now. They would have killed us with their drone without even needing to send a tank.
"They have no leadership and no experience," he said. "Brave people attack, but the men in the lines behind them withdraw, leaving them exposed. It is chaos. This morning the Turkish brothers fought all night and at dawn they went to sleep leaving a line of Syrians behind to protect them. When they woke up the Syrians had left and the army snipers had moved in. Now it's too late. The army has entered the streets and will overrun us."
"It is obvious the Syrian army is winning this battle, but we don't tell [the rebels] this. We don't want to destroy their morale. We say we should hold here for as long as Allah will give us strength and maybe he will make one of these foreign powers come to help Syrians."
"You are in confrontation with two apostate armies," the Egyptian told the men, referring to the Syrian army and Free Syrian Army. "When you have finished with one army you will start with the next."
The confrontation had started a few weeks ago, when the foreign jihadis, who played a major role in defeating government forces at the border post, raised the black flag of al-Qaida, emblazoned by the seal of the prophet, on the border post.
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eklavya wrote:This report in The Guardian from Syria is quite fascinating. Seems like a freakin' free-for-all, including al-Qaeda. This makes Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey, France, US, etc state sponsors of terrorism
Eklavyaji,

You see, GCC Govts are very secular onlee. They sponsor islamism and terrorism only externally and so good good onlee.

Since we buy their oil and we have 5 million Indians held as hostage by these benevolent rulers, we must enter into strategic relationship with them onleee. Otherwise India will remain poor onlee and will be hurt by GCC foreign policy of using religion onlee.

Do you know they invested Rs 786 million to build a road here and road there and also own 10 buildings in mumbai?

for all this we should be indebted to them, because we are nothing but a nation of dhimmis.
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