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Not difficult to recruit new members by AAP, given the disenchantment of mango-public
with political parties. In Jharkhand both BJP and INC got into messy horse-trading.

It looks more like the anti-Assad but secular revolutionaries, but eventually the movement
got high-jacked by the Islamists. Are we seeing a similar "Arab Spring" in Bharat through AK's AAP?
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well, it has to be from the given set of probables.
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Looks like General Elections are sooner than later:

UPA seeks vote on account in January-Polls in lae march or early April

MMS sees the writing on the wall.
Congress Mukht Bharat maybe sooner than later.

NEW DELHI: The fractious 15th Lok Sabha, marked by UPA-opposition clashes over cases of corruption in high places like 2G, Commonwealth Games and Coalgate, will meet for the last time in mid or end-January to pass a vote on account, clearing the way for Lok Sabha elections by late March or early April.

Sources said the government is planning to take the vote on account next month, with January 13-17 being seen as a likely window. Polls can be held by late March or early April. The 2004 and 2009, elections were held between mid-April and mid-May.

The move to be done with the vote on account and set the stage for the next Lok Sabha polls comes in the backdrop of an increasingly dysfunctional Parliament and feverish lobbying for a no-trust motion submitted by six Congress MPs.

A sense of uncertainty and the perception that Congress's rout in four north Indian states has left the embattled Manmohan Singh government further enfeebled, encouraging the Seemandhra MPs to defy the party authority.

The assembly poll results rattled Congress and a review meeting on Monday saw functionaries point to high inflation — seen to be the Centre's failing — as an important reason for the debacle. Congress chief Sonia Gandhi is learnt to have agreed with the assessment

The no-confidence motion could not be taken up by Lok Sabha Speaker Meira Kumar due to lack of order in the House, but it continued to be intensely discussed with political parties weighing the merits of supporting the motion
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While Trinamool Congress leader Mamata Banerjee ruled out supporting the no-confidence move, :mrgreen: Biju Janata Dal's 14 MPs will support the motion when the admission of the motion is considered.

As of now, the motion does not have the backing of 50 MPs that are required to rise in support when the Speaker seeks the opinion of the House and Congress managers are going all out to ensure that the move fizzles out.

While the motion has been submitted by Congress MPs, TDP leader N Chandrababu Naidu contacted Opposition leaders like Odisha chief minister Naveen Patnaik and West Bengal chief minister Mamata Banerjee.

YSR Congress leader Jaganmohan Reddy also met several leaders, including Banerjee, to seek support for the no-trust motion submitted by Congress MPs from the non-Telangana region of Andhra Pradesh
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Banerjee told Reddy she did not see merit in a no-confidence motion as Congress would survive the vote with the support of outside allies like SP and BSP leaders Mulayam Singh Yadav and Mayawati who have always bailed out the UPA. :mrgreen:

Reddy did manage to get Yadav to submit an adjournment motion on Telangana on Tuesday but most leaders do not believe the SP chief will back a no-trust, particularly after the Muzaffarnagar riots.

Given reports of intense polarization on religious lines in western UP and BJP leader Narendra Modi's forays into Uttar Pradesh, the SP boss is unlikely to attract the charge that he weakened "secular forces" at the Centre. :rotfl:

But though the government is not considering curtailing the winter session, it seems clear that not much business is likely to be transacted going by current trends. The final session of the current Lok Sabha is likely to be convened ahead of the usual mid-February date so that elections can be called any time thereafter.

The 2009 Lok Sabha elections were held from April 16 to May 13 and the results were declared on May 16. In 2004, the results were declared on May 13 after elections were held from April 20 to May 10.

Government floor managers have so far been unable to persuade the Congress MPs who submitted the motion for a no-trust vote to withdraw their initiative. The MPs, driven by constituency concerns, have also been encouraged by the uncertainty and flux following the assembly polls.

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vina wrote:This is what the IITs are all about. Chappal wearing solid middle class (lower to upper middle class kids, from small towns like Kejriwal to Mumbai-Madras-Dilli Billis), having solid confidence, gonads, soft skills, great technical and real life chops to take on the best against all odds in life and win, nay win crushingly .
Vina: Good - this is a keeper. Will be handy in future :twisted:
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Kati wrote:BJP going slow on Yeddy due to AAP

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1131210/j ... qeVoKPnbcs
This Radhika Ramesan is putting a lot of pulp fiction so far.
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systemic cancer needs systemic antidotes and corrections, still there is a small chance to surive if attacked at the root cause.
for that we need millions of eye eye tians and mians. how many are willing?

i'd be happy if all mians get into politics... and establish everyone pay their taxes without fail.
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Muppalla wrote:
Kati wrote:BJP going slow on Yeddy due to AAP

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1131210/j ... qeVoKPnbcs
This Radhika Ramesan is putting a lot of pulp fiction so far.
The same stuff is being recycled, Muppalla-garu. Nothing new.
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Kati wrote:
ChandraV wrote:Here's what I posted in another forum:

I just came back to India after a lot of traveling and stepped into my Bangalore office today, and spoke to several people over chai and cigarettes. The amount of support and enthusiasm for Kejriwal is immense beyond belief. People who were supporting Modi wholeheartedly till yesterday are now supporting AAP. The most common reason given is that, they all want AAP to keep the mainstream parties on their toes. Everyone cites the example of how the Delhi CM candidate was changed by Modi, thanks to the AAP effect.

People like @Decklander who are dismissive of Kejriwal do so at their own peril. These guys in the Bangalore office are waiting for AAP to contest from Bangalore, and they have already pledged to volunteer for the AAP.

Personally I want the BJP/Modi to come unhindered to power in 2014. I want stability, and the known right-wing economic model of Modi. I am ok if AAP proceeds state-by-state, and grows over the next 5 years. Let us see what they come up with, we have enough time to judge them. But as of now, I don't want interruptions to the predestined Modi wave.

Unfortunately, there will definitely be interruptions. More than Congoons, it is the BJP which needs to be on their toes now. They have to present a clean image of themselves and demonstrably get rid of tainted candidates. There is going to be a massive voter confusion otherwise. They should show, very clearly, that they are clean. AAP's "clean governance" plank needs to be countered with a counter "clean governance" by the BJP, there is no other way.
Saar, you've raised a very important issue. I have been experiencing the same. I guess sensing this mood of mango public Sangh has already read a riot act to BJP to steer clear of all troubles/scandals otherwise.
...
No matter how much we find faults with AAP's outlandish promises, mango public is tired and disgusted with chronic scandals, violence against women, bribes, etc etc. etc. They are sooo mad that they want to make the mainstream political parties sit up and take notice by voting for NGI-like AAP. In the long run it may be damaging. But the current mood is "who cares, we want to send a strong signal"........
Well.. they don't have problem in re-electing in CONGis in spite of these for 2 terms and in several places
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Kati wrote:BJP going slow on Yeddy due to AAP

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1131210/j ... qeVoKPnbcs

Probable but not plausible.


Yedddy is not Kejriwal

Karnataka is not Delhi

And after Delhi fiasco, the obstructors in BJP will be neutralised

So the analogy at the surface looks nice but is not if they think about it.
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Rahul M wrote:bongs always bemoan the bong propensity of falling for gimmicks. apparently delhiwallas are MUCH worse.
bongs too? Al these days I was under the impression that that is one of Gults' greatest failings :) Looks like IITians (it is only fair that they should be grouped separately as they feel that they are of different mettle) are not immune to it either.
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I haven't seen AAP talk beyond Metros. If you fear for loss of few seats due to yuppy crowds and take non-decisions, you will lose a lot. BJP can't be penny wise and pound foolish. The same yuppy crowds asked their IT leaders to stop war during Kargil because they will lose investments. In one seminar at a friend's company one of these worthies asked to peacefully transfer Tawang to China after negotiations. That is the level of brains these junkies have. BJP should not work and do knee-jerk changes. Let the portions of metros rot in the AAP drivel but BJP should not lose focus of the big picture. That is why I think just forget the nonsense and buy off 10 MLAs from AAP and INC and form Delhi government.
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Kati wrote:Not difficult to recruit new members by AAP, given the disenchantment of mango-public
with political parties. In Jharkhand both BJP and INC got into messy horse-trading.

It looks more like the anti-Assad but secular revolutionaries, but eventually the movement
got high-jacked by the Islamists. Are we seeing a similar "Arab Spring" in Bharat through AK's AAP?
There are a lot of Maoists in Jharkhand who contest and get votes. So AAP can split their votes.
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matrimc wrote:
Rahul M wrote:bongs always bemoan the bong propensity of falling for gimmicks. apparently delhiwallas are MUCH worse.
bongs too? Al these days I was under the impression that that is one of Gults' greatest failings :) Looks like IITians (it is only fair that they should be grouped separately as they feel that they are of different mettle) are not immune to it either.
So if all of us are vulnerable to gimmicks, Arjun wasn't far off base after all when he said he lacked faith in the general Indian electorate. People criticized him for that.
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matrimc wrote:
Rahul M wrote:bongs always bemoan the bong propensity of falling for gimmicks. apparently delhiwallas are MUCH worse.
bongs too? Al these days I was under the impression that that is one of Gults' greatest failings :) Looks like IITians (it is only fair that they should be grouped separately as they feel that they are of different mettle) are not immune to it either.
Good one about gults - is there any community in India not prone to this?
I think the real target audience for Kejriwal are the middle class indians and youth, who have come to associate politics with professional politicians and thugs. They think Kejriwal = civilized politics and shares their aims. Problem is beyond lokpal he doesnt have a clue, is making it up as he goes along, and the ones he is turning to for advice are pretty left of what passes for left in India.

IIT ians (IMHO) are falling prey to what happens in all hide bound societies with limited means of advancement with only few identified means of excellence. IIT/IIM etc have benefited from this. The identification that they are elite, because they are brilliant and hence automatically correct in everything. Their only superiors are those from similar places abroad. So a Hahvuhd guy >IIM guy and MIT guy> IIT guy.

But the opening up of economy by PVNR and then by NDA (and even as UPA has run it into the ground) brought an entirely new set of people into success - media, advertising and other creative professions. Entrepreneurs are now dime a dozen. So IIT cachet remains but is not as exclusive as it once was.

The effect on any society/group which is perceived as elite, is that group also self identifies with it and becomes cocky. This confidence is sometimes good, but can also be pretty bad. They can take really bad decisions and be very egotistical about it. This is especially true if that group is operating outside its zone of training (technical). Whats happened to Kejriwal (my way or the highway) is also true for a lot of the earlier ultra educated types who went Naxal. This guy is smart enough to use the right labels etc but ultimately his aims appear to be similar and authoritarian - wealth redistribution, my way or the highway rules (albeit via legislation) and so forth..

Not good as he is going to be a serious pain.
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Arjun's comment was on dot. It is one of honest comments compared to expectations of political-correctness in every post.

The successful countries actually has some establishment that is BRF type jingoes who manages to ensure that the path and real core values (not the fake ones like give Kashmir or pseudo-secularism, signing NPT/CTBT etc.) of country are not altered. This jingo club will have superior and secret powers. If they see AK types succeeding they just infiltrate and make sure such leaders are gone from the scene one way or other. As long as the leaders live inside the norms the democratic bs is allowed otherwise gone (even from the world). That is what is lacking and we get a lot of lackeys into system.
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Mainstream Media catching on:


DNA:
AAP is the new Congress
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There is nothing novel about new parties upsetting the two-party binary. We have seen that happen through the process of Mandalisation in many states. But all those new parties have come up in the name of one or more identities caste, community, region. The BJP is the Brahmin-Bania party of Hindu nationalism. The BSP is the party of the Dalits, the JD(U) of the Kurmis, the BJD of Odisha. Many of these parties don’t have ambitions to rival the Congress or the BJP on the national stage.

The Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) is an exception in that its central ideology is good governance. This helps it escape identity politics. At the same time, the AAP embraces identity politics like everyone else does: its symbol, the broom, was from day one targeted at the Valmikis. Be it Muslims or Dalits or Brahmins, the AAP quietly takes note of identity politics and gives lip service, even as the party as a whole does not identify itself with any one community. The only other party which handles identity politics this way is the Congress.

It is well known that the Congress stays in power through patronage. This is why the urban and rural poor have some loyalty to the Congress they need such patronage more than the relatively empowered urban middle class. The Congress representative gets the common man’s ration card made. He gets things done. That is also the primary approach of the Aam Aadmi Party.

Like a company launching a new product, AAP, sought to identify people’s problems and found that high electricity prices hurt Delhi’s lower middle classes and the poor the most. So it took up that issue to begin with. AAP’s people-centric approach sought to convey an image of a politician who will ‘get things done’. Parties that are not based on identity have a better chance of projecting such an image to all voters.

All the identity-based parties realise sooner than later that they have to be catch-all umbrella parties so the BSP wants Brahmins and the BJP wants Muslims. The AAP’s strategists seem to have learnt this lesson before reinventing the wheel. Many accused the Lokpal movement of being middle-class in character but the AAP has managed to woo both rich and poor. AAP took the Congress’ 2004 slogan about the Aam Aadmi and turned it against the Congress.

Using patronage to side-step identity politics does not mean the party is bereft of ideology. Except that it has many ideologies. Prashant Bhushan on the left and Kumar Vishwas on the right help the AAP appeal across the ideological spectrum. In doing so, the AAP realises that, as an RSS friend of mine argues, Indian society is essentially centrist and eschews extremes. This is again a leaf from the Congress’ book, which can be secular and soft-Hindutva, socialist and neo-liberal, when expedient. Even the BJP in power has to ‘moderate’ itself and even Narendra Modi has to seek liberal approval.

Until Saturday, Delhi was one of those states where the BJP and the Congress were pitched against each other. On Sunday, Delhi became a three-party state with the BJP and AAP as the main contenders. The Aam Aadmi Party was being called the B-team of Congress by BJP supporters. Now it is the Congress that looks the AAP’s B-team!

In other words, the AAP has replaced the Congress. It has done so not just in the sense of numbers. The lack of a singular identity, patronage above ideology, and a centrist balance amid ideological extremes please welcome the new Indian National Congress, circa 2013.
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Good find Rji, but even above is whitewash to a large degree to make AAP larger than life.

BJP = Brahmin, Bania party? And what is Modi?

Kumar Vishwas is rightwing? Thats why he curses BJP 24/7 on TV?
And AAP is centrist? Really? So talking to maulanas but taking off posters of bharat mata and asking hindu leaders to leave is centrist?
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My latest scenario -- the no-confidence motion from AP MPs is an interesting twist. If the motion comes to vote, BJP will vote for the motion. AP will remain united. We will see a split in AP INC and the MPs will join BJP. We will have early elections including re-polling in Delhi.
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V_Raman wrote:My latest scenario -- the no-confidence motion from AP MPs is an interesting twist. If the motion comes to vote, BJP will vote for the motion. AP will remain united. We will see a split in AP INC and the MPs will join BJP. We will have early elections including re-polling in Delhi.
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What 2013 means to 2014?
It is here in this western state that BJP has won 81% of the assembly seats with a whopping 37 lakh more votes or roughly a 13% gap margin over Congress! This is a socially unprecedented election result for the BJP, a party that starts every election with a handicap of minus 10 to 20% vote-share due to adverse minority voting. How did this happen? This happened because of the united Hindu vote, for BJP was able to add to its core votes of Rajputs, Brahmins and trading communities with OBC vote like that of Jats, Gujjars, Ahirs etc.

This broad social coalition of upper-castes, middle-castes and OBCs is almost insurmountable in a first past the post system of India. In Rajasthan, for instance, all the 15 Muslim Congress candidates lost because non-minority voters refused to vote for the party. In Madhya Pradesh too all Muslim legislators of the Congress party lost barring one. This is the ultimate polarization of votes, wherein the entire Hindu vote rallies behind one party and gives it a solid block of 35 to 40% of votes. It is a combination of governance model of Gujarat and the OBC status of BJP’s prime-ministerial candidate, Narendra Modi, which is delivering this impossible Hindu vote to a party that has been historically limited to a Brahmin-Bania demographic. What is significant is that this is a scalable electoral model, especially in North and central India. For instance, the Jat vote that BJP has accrued is not limited to Rajasthan alone, but has happened even in Delhi for almost the first time and is developing into a wave in western UP.
This third generation mobilization of Hindu vote is the deadliest of them all and has the maximum disruption potential, especially in the whole of heartland. We could see the impact of this coalition in Chhattisgarh, where the ruling BJP was facing an impossible task of a loss of large number of seats in the northern and southern tribal belts. The entire game-plan of BJP rested on its performance in Central Chhattisgarh, wherein the party needed to make-good all the losses from north and south. The problem for the party was compounded by the presence of CSM – Chhattisgarh Swabhiman Manch, which was formed exclusively to tap the OBC votes and had many strong Sahu community leaders in its ranks (the largest OBC group of Chhattisgarh), such as Dehru Prasad and Urwashi Sahu et al.
Narendra Modi addressed 5 well attended public rallies in Central Chhattisgarh, especially in the Durg-Raipur belt where CSM was putting up a strong fight and changed the entire political scenario by preventing large-scale leakage of OBC votes. For instance, Dehru Prasad who was widely expected to win his Navgarh seat, ended up being number two behind BJP, despite garnering 42 thousand odd votes. Similarly, Urwashi Sahu (daughter of Tarachand Sahu, a 4 time MP from Durg and the tallest Sahu leader), lost her Durg rural seat to BJP. It is indeed a minor electoral miracle that BJP managed to win a whopping 32 of 49 seats from central Chhattisgarh (BJP had won only 23 in 2008) despite 3% vote-share of the CSM, while BSP’s performance (which always hurts Congress) was much debilitated this time.
Similarly in Madhya Pradesh, BJP not only added 4% of the vote-share that it had lost in the last election of 2008 due to Uma Bharati leaving the party, but also added an additional 4% of vote-share because of the Modi-OBC-vote-mobilization factor. Even in Delhi, the OBCs have voted overwhelmingly in favor of the BJP, which is why its performance is much better in the outer parts of the national capital region than in the central parts dominated by AAP.
There are 218 parliamentary constituencies in what is termed as North India or the Hindi-Heartland – UP, Bihar, Madhya Pradesh, Chhattisgarh, Jharkhand, Rajasthan, Haryana, Himachal Pradesh and Uttarkhand. BJP’s new found total Hindu vote has the ability to win a lion’s share of LS seats in the heartland and even a tally of 150+ cannot be ruled out if the present set of election results are any indication. BJP will face major electoral resistance only in UP and Bihar due to the presence of regional caste-based parties, but if the experiment of Rajasthan, Chhattisgarh and Madhya Pradesh holds true then expect major socio-political churning in UP and Bihar too. The problems in smaller states of Haryana and Jharkhand are related to forming proper alliances. In conclusion, this set of assembly elections have provided a perfect Launchpad for a Narendra Modi led BJP into the battleground of 2014.
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OT from the serious discussion but lots of paid AAP bot spamming unrelated topics on news sites.
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Excellent article Vivek rao, suggests tough talk apart, AAP remains a very limited phenomenon.
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kapilrdave wrote: My guess is that someone has convinced him to try and puncture modi's wave. How and for what? I don't know.
first some history
Anna was a village level reformer reforming in some Mahadev forsken corner in Maharashtra with an unpronounciable name
Congress needed some diversion they were about to fall, earlier 26/11 had done the job but two 26/11 is no can do, yes?
hence AK was activated he was given detailed files on every activist/reformist he choose Kiran Bedi both flew to Maha
and Anna was lured in, see saar what ever you say the lure of NEWS byte is too tempting to resist, Anna would have died a natural death due to old age and no one would have know except his village folks AK Anna and Bedi combined with Congress paid media came together and whole year went to watch the Jan Lokpaal drama, in place of the explaination dissing and cussing about 2G and CWG scam (coal gate was unknown then) shaming the allies to desert UPA and UPA falling flat the year went to watch Anna and his team. UPA saved Bharat foolled mission acomplished,
now it is TsuNaMo Congress is and will use every means to counter hence Anna has been told stop chewing ganna for few days
notice how Congi Manister was prostating at his feet to make him stop fasting and start chewing Ganna. i say go Anna go fast till death and NaMo will blame it on Congress and at least Maha shall be in Bjapa's pakit. your sacrifice shall not be in vain.
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Rajdeep Chakraborty ‏@irajdeep 13h

India, Women Are Not Safe iN New Delhi Look What Happened To Sheila Dik-shit Ji.. #sosorry
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reelection is sure a bjp gov for dilli.. from RajeshA's data. only thing modi has to do chalk it better. help vardhan out, by emphasizing what exact plans are their for corruption that aap will not be able to provide or eliminate with their powers.
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nachiket wrote:So if all of us are vulnerable to gimmicks, Arjun wasn't far off base after all when he said he lacked faith in the general Indian electorate. People criticized him for that.
It is uncharacteristic of you to miss the obvious irony in my post.

But then if I were to be serious then I would have said that nobody is immune to gimmicks - that is how people are "sold" brain dead ideas. Does that mean that I have a very low opinion about most of them? I think not. On the other hand Arjun (and by extension you) should lack faith in humanity itself (including your own esteemed selves).
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Karan M wrote:Excellent article Vivek rao, suggests tough talk apart, AAP remains a very limited phenomenon.
That is the truth. All we have to do is wait. Thankfully it is not going to be a long wait unlike what happened in 1977 - that was a 3 year wait. I am not saying that Cong(I) will be back. But AK will be gone due to the kooky ideas. But the hubris would be a bigger factor in his downfall and boy is it going to be spectacular. Tarun Tejpal's take down would be nothing in comparison.
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ramana wrote:Looks like General Elections are sooner than later:
NEW DELHI: The fractious 15th Lok Sabha, marked by UPA-opposition clashes over cases of corruption in high places like 2G, Commonwealth Games and Coalgate, will meet for the last time in mid or end-January to pass a vote on account, clearing the way for Lok Sabha elections by late March or early April[/size]. Sources said the government is planning to take the vote on account next month, with January 13-17 being seen as a likely window. Polls can be held by late March or early April. The 2004 and 2009, elections were held between mid-April and mid-May. The move to be done with the vote on account and set the stage for the next Lok Sabha polls comes in the backdrop of an increasingly dysfunctional Parliament and feverish lobbying for a no-trust motion submitted by six Congress MPs
Exactly as I predicted the day after State elections. Sooner the better for them as Modi Motor have just started and expected to be in Top gear my Apr-May. Now the time line shifted and everyone have to scramble to get their acts together when money (congress have plenty) will be playing big role.
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Re: Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

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^^ Somehow hard to believe CON will not have any tricks up their huge sleeves given the thappad.

Trying to think as to what tricks will they come up in next 5-6 months to get back on track since i will never underestimate the Congis
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sum wrote:^^ Somehow hard to believe CON will not have any tricks up their huge sleeves given the thappad.
Trying to think as to what tricks will they come up in next 5-6 months to get back on track since i will never underestimate the Congis
Everyday we have some major development politically. This is highly dynamic environment. Too many wheels moving, too many actors!! The common denominator is Sonia and Raul's exit from Indian politics looks more probable every day. She may want to control remotely away from 10 Janpath like Dawood.
She may be pulling Raul away as well as she knows if she dies, the detractors may even put Raul behind bars or worse assassinate him to get sympathy votes.
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Re: Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

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What is vote on account?
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Re: Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

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Wow, nothing on Hindu nationalist BJP, riots in Gujarat blah blah

http://in.reuters.com/article/2013/12/1 ... 8W20131210
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Gang Rape in Connaught Place. Kejriwal's Constituency.
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matrimc wrote:
Karan M wrote:Excellent article Vivek rao, suggests tough talk apart, AAP remains a very limited phenomenon.
That is the truth. All we have to do is wait. Thankfully it is not going to be a long wait unlike what happened in 1977 - that was a 3 year wait. I am not saying that Cong(I) will be back. But AK will be gone due to the kooky ideas. But the hubris would be a bigger factor in his downfall and boy is it going to be spectacular. Tarun Tejpal's take down would be nothing in comparison.
I hope so saar. I was very interested in AAP, but shri AKs incredible self righteousness in TV interviews and the like, his followers literal cult like belief, and finally their kooky ideas have really made me concerned
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Neela wrote:What is vote on account?
No Monies can be drawn from Consolidated fund of India without Budget being passed by the Parliament. If Govt is not in a position to get the full budget ( due to various contingencies) passed it asks for Vote on account to draw the monies.

Vote on account is the sanction of Parliament to draw Monies from the Consolidated fund of India to meet its expenditure till the full budget is presented and voted for.

Read more here
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Breaking >>
S&P says India's rating may come under pressure if parliament elections show hung result, new govt unable to implement reforms
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Should favor BJP in a re-poll. However there are 3 things that will go against BJP.

1. Some vote that went to BJP for win-ability may shift to AAP now that they have proven themselves of consequence in Delhi.
2. Congress may want to roll the dice fully in favor of AAP just to spite Modi.
3. Then there are the seculars who will vote for anyone who can keep BJP away from power and may switch fully to AAP.

As I have said before BJP will have to play a near flawless innings and will need a couple of lucky breaks along the way too.
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