Malegaon blasts and the limits of fake secularism

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 29 Jun 2012 22:51

who fabricated these tapes?

Transcripts of Tapes Detailing Conversation between RSS leader Shyam Apte and high-profile seer Dayanand Pandey alias Shankaracharya

http://www.tehelka.com/story_main46.asp ... rTapes.asp

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 Jun 2012 22:57

I am reopening this thread from the archives and moving to Strat forum.

Did Army go wrong in Lt Col Purohit's case

Wrong title. It should be UPA govt go wrong in Lt Col Purohit's case.
Army had little choice but to hand the case over when the NSA on downwards are claiming it.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 29 Jun 2012 22:59

Is it a pre-emptive action by Kundi TV for Congress in the light of Jundal's arrest?.

Serious questions arise over veracity of allegations against Lt. Col Purohit's involvement in Malegaon 2008. @nitingokhale breaks the story

https://twitter.com/BDUTT

This is KundiTV that had a 30 minute special program on Malegaon in Nov 25th 2008

Malegaon revealed

http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/news/n ... aled/45218

Another KundiTV Spl. Has purohit's arrest dented the Army's secular image?

http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/india- ... mage/43350

Nov 15th 2008 KundiTV - Purohit gave RDX for Samjhauta Blast

http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/news/p ... cops/44202

Nov 14th 2008 - Malegaon probe - Purohit a key link

http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/news/m ... link/44116

So KundiTV almost from Nov 3rd 2008 had videos & programs on an Army man - Purohit arrested and links, what happened suddenly?

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 29 Jun 2012 22:59

who fabricated these tapes?

Transcripts of Tapes Detailing Conversation between RSS leader Shyam Apte and high-profile seer Dayanand Pandey alias Shankaracharya

http://www.tehelka.com/story_main46.asp ... rTapes.asp

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 29 Jun 2012 23:00

IBN joins the party

Malegaon blast: Lt Col Purohit is not a terrorist, say witnesses

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/lt-col-puroh ... 610-3.html

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 29 Jun 2012 23:22

ramana wrote:I am reopening this thread from the archives and moving to Strat forum.

Did Army go wrong in Lt Col Purohit's case

Wrong title. It should be UPA govt go wrong in Lt Col Purohit's case.
Army had little choice but to hand the case over when the NSA on downwards are claiming it.

Well It might be relevant that DK was COAS at that time.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 Jun 2012 23:24

Business Standard reports:

LINK for the Source nazis!

Malegaon blast accused Lt Col P S Purohit says he had "infiltrated" the Hindu radical outfit Abhinav Bharat and did his job properly and also kept his bosses in the loop.

The Military Intelligence officer is facing two separate trials-- one is being handled by the National Investigation Agency(NIA) and the other one is Army's Court of Inquiry (CoI) into the matter.

"I infiltrated Abhinav Bharat. I have done my job properly, have kept my bosses in the loop and everything is on paper in the army records. Those who need to know, know the truth," Purohit told Outlook magazine.

The army has completed the CoI under a Brigadier-level officer against Purohit and submitted its findings to the Southern Command headquarters, sources said here.

None of the 60 witnesses who deposed before the CoI have corroborated the charge of Purohit being a terrorist, the magazine said based on testimonies of these witnessed accessed by it.

Army sources, when asked if the service had decided in haste while taking action against the officer, said whatever action deemed appropriate at that time, was taken by the authorities.

The CoI againt Purohit had commenced on April 7, 2009 and first concluded on September 1, 2010 after recording the statements of all the witnesses and reportedly recommended his dismissal from service.

However, after Purohit went in appeal against the CoI in the Armed Forces Tribunal, the services court asked the inquiry to be reconvened after finding that certain witnesses were not allowed to be cross-examined by the accused officer as per the Army laws.

In his plea before the AFT, Purohit had also stated that he was given "extreme inhuman treatment" by one Colonel R K Srivastava during his interrogation.

Purohit had also contended that his trial by the CoI was invalid as proceedings against him were already on in a MCOCA court.

Need to find the Outlook article.

Looks like Outlook is trying to be better than its editors outlook.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 30 Jun 2012 18:10

Looks like a case of an operative who was framed as a patsy. Shades of Lee Harvey Oswald.

It would be interesting to know who was running Purohit. One is particularly interested in his reported attempts to provoke the elimination of the then RSS chief designate Mohan Bhagwat, and his talk about setting up a "government in exile".

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 30 Jun 2012 23:58

Very likely this whole episode is a result of the ruling party trying to create a narrative of "Hindu terror". Purohit seems to have been an agent provocateur who became a patsy. But for Gen VK Singh, it is likely that his goose would have been cooked.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 01 Jul 2012 09:16

Gen DK certainly has a lot to answer for. Maybe his serial acquisitions were well under way and he wanted to placate the powers that be.

The crucial twist in Lt Col Purohit's case

When the allegation against Lt Col Purohit surfaced, the army, initially, did not conduct an inquiry. Instead, it handed him over to the ATS. It was much later that the Armed Forces Tribunal ordered that an inquiry be held and Lt Col Purohit be allowed to cross examine the witnesses.

Most of the witnesses testified that Lt Col Purohit had infiltrated into some of the camps of Abhinav Bharat and was collecting evidence. They also said that Lt Col Purohith had kept his higher ups in the loop about this operation.

This now puts the army in a spot of bother.

There are two questions that would need to be answered -- why was the intelligence provided by Lt Col Purohit not shared and why was an in-house inquiry not conducted before he was handed over to the ATS?

While the turn of events has stunned many, it is said that Lt Col Purohit could have been a victim of oversight.

The other probability is that Lt Col Purohit had to bear the brunt of rivalry with a few colleagues.

Lt Col Purohit has alleged that a colonel had deliberately not supported him. It is alleged that this colonel had intentionally blocked information to have him arrested.

Sources point out that it is too early to say what the reason may be, but if Lt Col Purohit's claims are correct then it is definitely not a case of oversight.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 01 Jul 2012 09:58

Hopefully there will be a day when truth comes out. Why is Purohit made the scapegoat? Why is hindu terror invented? Why were Mumbai blasts game is allwoed to bump off three good officers? Yeh sab "Kahani" hai and the movie was also well made.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 01 Jul 2012 10:29

BTW, Hats off to you for first saying the Purohit could be a victim of politics.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 01 Jul 2012 11:27

How they got him

By 2010, when it was established that Ansari was Jundal, US interest in the case heightened, given that he was plotting attacks against US targets. Indian and US agencies began discussing how they would corner Ansari and while they explored several options, they had decided at the start that Pakistan’s help should not be sought in this case.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 04 Jul 2012 05:46

Purohit had no orders to infiltrate Abhinav Bharat, finds Army probe

pentaiah · Post by **pentaiah** » 04 Jul 2012 07:48

Kasab gets royal treatment
Col. Pursuit gets 4 th degree treatment
Where are the fundamental rights of serving officer and indiqn citizen

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 05 Jul 2012 05:08

Flouting rules, Purohit joined Abhinav Bharat, attended meetings: Army probe

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 07 Jul 2012 20:58

X-post by Austin

‘I Infiltrated Abhinav Bharat, Did My Job, Kept Bosses In The Loop’ : Lt Col Prasad Shrikant Purohit

Looks like Dreyfuss case.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 07 Jan 2013 09:09

Ind Express:

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/foren ... /1055551/0

The NIA has received a forensic report showing that bombs used in the blasts at Malegaon (2006, 2008), Ajmer Sharif (2007), Mecca Masjid in Hyderabad (2007), Modasa in Gujarat (2008) and on board the Samjhauta Express (2006) bear similarities with each other.

The report from a Hyderabad lab, accessed by The Indian Express, points out several similarities in the six blasts — including the bomb and bomb container used, the bomb-making techniques, the electronic circuit, and the arming and trigger mechanisms.

This boosts the investigators’ case which had been hit by Swami Aseemanand retracting his statement that right-wing groups and RSS leader Indresh Kumar were instrumental in planning and executing the above attacks. In the 2010 statement, Aseemanand had also named Sunil Joshi, Ramji Kalsangra and Sandeep Dange as “key planners”.

The National Investigation Agency, which started investigations in 2011, has since then arrested five bombers.

The one similarity in all the six cases was the main charge — RDX and TNT.

Talking of the Samjhauta, Mecca Masjid and Ajmer blasts, the forensic report says, “identical keys in all three bombs were used to arm the explosive while LED, electronic circuit and power source used in all three cases were also similar to each other. The power sources in all three cases were found to be battery with screws on the case with red wires. A similar characterstic of power source was also noticed in the 2008 Modasa bomb”.

While in the Samjhauta blast, a single-cylinder module was used, from the Mecca Masjid blast onwards, the groups apparently only used “double cylinder module”, later also seen in the Ajmer attack, as well as the blasts in Malegaon (2008) and Modasa.

The report also talks of similarities in the signature of bombs used in the Samjhauta, Ajmer and Mecca Masjid attacks, including the wax used and obliterations.

As for the trigger mechanism, forensics found that an Orpat watch was used in the Samjhauta attack. As per an NSG report, an Orpat watch was also used in the 2006 Malegaon blasts. Mecca Masjid and Ajmer bombs were triggered using identical mobile phones of Nokia 6030 model.

Detonators used in the 2008 Malegaon blast and the Modasa and Samjhauta attacks were also found to have several similarities. In all three cases, fragments of detonators had a manufacturer label, “IDL 21”.

The bombs and containers in Mecca Masjid and Ajmer blasts had the most striking similarities. In the two cases, black iron boxes were used. A booster in the form of “tetryl” to give a charge to the detonators was used at Mecca Masjid and Ajmer.

The analysis also clearly indicates the differences between these bombs and the bombs used by the Indian Mujahideen (IM), which has been active since 2005. Unlike the Hindu terror groups, the IM first used C-shaped open wooden boxes that held the circuit, with holes on the side for wires to pass. The explosive was essentially tightly packed ammonium nitrate, held together by fuel oil or nitrogen gel, metal balls and nuts for splinters and had an alarm clock for a timer. The use of Prince or Samay watches was found in these IEDs. Such bombs went off in UP, Ahmedabad, Bangalore, Delhi, Jaipur and Mumbai.

NIA case gets a boost

Report studied bombs used at Malegaon (2006, 2008), Ajmer Sharif, Mecca Masjid, Modasa and on Samjhauta Express

Main explosive:

RDX, TNT in all attacks

Second charge: Potassium chlorate used in all 6 incidents

Electronic circuit:

Similar in Samjhauta, Mecca Masjid, Ajmer attacks

Detonator:

Similar in Samjhauta, Modasa, Malegaon (2008) attacks

The similarities could be because these are the commonly available materials.

Common IDL detonators are available at every quarry.

So what detonators were used in the three other attacks.

Again KClO4 as a booster is common material in most chem labs.

and what was the trace in the RDX?

sum · Post by **sum** » 07 Jan 2013 09:11

^^ As expected, as elections near, the old trump card starts coming out after being in hibernation for the last 5-6 years

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 07 Jan 2013 18:32

So NIA find common link in some common materials? What prevents NIA to see common materials used in other blasts as well?

How many blasts are investigated by NIA - Wiki can't answer this.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 07 Jan 2013 18:39

vishvak wrote:How many blasts are investigated by NIA - Wiki can't answer this.

Another big question I have is how many cases have been actually charge sheeted by the NIA in the courts of law? There was a "hand chopping case" which happened in Kerala 1-2 years back. The trial has not begun. NIA took over a case of counterfeit currency circulation. Nothing heard of it now. Then there was an incident of one chap getting picked up from Kochi Intl. Airport on his way back from the Middle east. No clue on whether that fellow was charge sheeted and tried. And this case of the blasts in parts of Northern and Western India. Once in a while some thing gets mentioned about some one getting picked up. And this is from an agency raised primarily to tackle terrorism etc

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Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 21 Jan 2013 17:03

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 21 Jan 2013 17:12

If the Congress has any decency and if it wants to stay relevant in Indian politics,then it should ask Shinde to either apologise or resign.

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 21 Jan 2013 17:20

SVenkatji, is the move to alienate Hindus a step in the direction of Balkanizing India? The idea of Yugoslavia fell flat on its face when Serbs went astray, the same happened with USSR due to Russians. Somehow this talk by our HM is disappointing and scary.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 21 Jan 2013 17:30

sum · Post by **sum** » 21 Jan 2013 18:08

^^ The lengths a party will go through to get votes...sigh.

Our country is truely screwed!

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 21 Jan 2013 18:28

Shinde and Chidu just voicing their master.

Rahul Gandhi told US, Hindu extremists are a bigger threat to India

WASHINGTON/NEW DELHI: India's political princeling and Congress Party heir apparent Rahul Gandhi feels that the "the bigger threat (to India) may be the growth of radicalized Hindu groups, which create religious tensions and political confrontations with the Muslim community," according to a cable by U.S ambassador to India Timothy Roemer which was released by Wikileaks on Thursday.

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes ... ger-threat

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 21 Jan 2013 18:31

prahaarji,
No way on earth will India allow itself be balkanised.No fear of that.Enemies can atmost slow Indias progress,not stop her march.imvvho,etc.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 21 Jan 2013 18:43

member_22872 · Post by **member_22872** » 21 Jan 2013 19:01

My posts are becoming too negative these days, I apologize, but I see more and more of this and that makes me think that the enemy is within. Who needs TSP and US, balkanization or damnation will be caused by an Indian not an outsider. The biggest enemy and traitor is an Indian playing into the hands of outsiders and kills in stealth mode like HIV which renders inner defenses useless. These leaders are HIV virus of Bharat. Now anything is possible give them more time sir, have patience, lets vote them back to power.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 23 Jan 2013 03:07

Also ambition unmatched with ability is a prime reason.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 25 Jan 2013 00:04

More on Malegoan saga from the Week

Informer contends he fingered wrong guys

Also interesting vignettes that show Maha ATS was familiar with Purohit.
And the odd thing is the location and the year 2006.

If this saffron terror is a BJP plot how come its launched in Maharastra which is INC and NCP stronghold. And that too when BJP is out of power for two years by 2006 and on full self-destruct mode from which it has not recovered yet?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 25 Jan 2013 19:49

B.Raman ruminates over the malegoan blasts while writing about the tip of the iceberg.

LINK:
Headely Coverup tip of the Iceberg

Relevant to this thread...

.....
8. There has been a huge cover-up of the LET iceberg in India that helped Headley and Rana. While the NIA has shown considerable persistence in repeatedly questioning a few Hindus who had allegedly indulged in some acts of reprisals against Muslims in the Malegaon and Samjauta Express explosions, it has scrupulously avoided identifying and questioning the contacts of Headley and Rana in the Indian Muslim community.

9.Indian analysts and political parties have not shown much interest in exposing this cover-up by the partisan Ministry of Home Affairs and demanding an end to this. One must raise this issue strongly and demand thorough enquiries into the matter. (23-1-13)

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 25 Jan 2013 20:00

ramana wrote:B.Raman ruminates over the malegoan blasts while writing about the tip of the iceberg.

LINK:
Headely Coverup tip of the Iceberg

Relevant to this thread...

.....
8. There has been a huge cover-up of the LET iceberg in India that helped Headley and Rana. While the NIA has shown considerable persistence in repeatedly questioning a few Hindus who had allegedly indulged in some acts of reprisals against Muslims in the Malegaon and Samjauta Express explosions, it has scrupulously avoided identifying and questioning the contacts of Headley and Rana in the Indian Muslim community.

9.Indian analysts and political parties have not shown much interest in exposing this cover-up by the partisan Ministry of Home Affairs and demanding an end to this. One must raise this issue strongly and demand thorough enquiries into the matter. (23-1-13)

What B raman has suddenly moved out of the dark side.

pentaiah · Post by **pentaiah** » 25 Jan 2013 20:03

raman is a joker

he will put his finger in air and say the things in the direction the wnd blows

this is from a kachha officer no wonder our CBI and other agencies cant bring even single culprit to justice.

what a sad set of babus, politicos, and actors...

TSP has non state actors, India is full of state actors who sell India to any bidder

A long back I concluded, TSP is not the problem its us the problem, J&K is a non issue except to bleed the country of money and the patronage of the Royal family of Abdullahs moulvis moulanas who wine and dine with terrorists accross the border.

Had it been any other country terrorist Saeed Hafiz would be dead man drowing in his own saliva
and Kashmeeri Ilyas a kabab with no haddi

GOI has no haddi

sum · Post by **sum** » 27 Jan 2013 12:31

X-post:

sum wrote:When Uber-secular Vicky Najjappa has this to say, one knows the kind of fire INC is playing with just for a few votes:

No probe has directly linked RSS to terror yet

The latest remark by Union Home Minister Sushilkumar Shinde on terrorism and training camps being run by the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh has created a furore across the nation. It has even given the likes of Hafiz Saeed, the top man of the Lashkar-e-Tayiba, some ammunition to bash India.

The question is what prompted Shinde to issue such a statement linking the RSS to terrorism by some Hindu fundamentalists, and whether the investigators have been able to ascertain the direct role of the RSS in the various attacks that have rocked the nation in the past couple of years.

Although in the investigating circles there was talk in hushed voices regarding a possible link between some Hindu radicals and incidents of terrorism, it was slain Maharashtra Anti Terrorism Squad chief Hemant Karkare who exposed this nexus for the first time.

During this time there was also talk that many of these Hindu radicals enjoyed the support of some members of the RSS.

So what have the investigations into the various cases relating to terror by Hindu radicals shown?

Ironically despite all these names doing the rounds none of these cases have attained any sort of closure as of yet, which again leaves the alleged role of the RSS in these cases open ended.

It has been found that there are many elements who had turned rogue and decided to take to terror activities. However, there is nothing on record to show that the RSS as an organisation had provided space or funds to carry out such activities.

Sources in the NIA, however, pointed out that some members of the RSS had funded these radicals without the knowledge of their organisation.

"It is difficult to prove a direct link, but we are not giving anyone a clean chit. Most of the RSS functionaries who have been questioned in connection with these cases have maintained that they knew these people but were not aware of what they were up to. There was a need to fight to aggression from across the border, but none had authorised anyone to take an extreme step," the NIA official said on conditions of anonymity.

"The RSS had even distanced themselves from these elements. Varshney and Berry had even stated that there was nothing wrong in knowing a person like Devendra Gupta. He was an RSS worker and was regularly spotted at organisational functions. But that does not mean we were aware of the plot," the official said.

Investigators also stated that despite several allegations being hurled at Indresh Kumar, there is nothing as of now to show a concrete link. "In some cases we have found that Kumar was in contact with these operatives, but the links regarding to his financing of these activities is still under investigation. It was also found that some of these persons were taking his name as they felt let down and cheated when Kumar did not come to their rescue when they were arrested," another official said.

As far as the 'training camps' of the RSS are concerned, which the home minister had linked to terror activities, investigators pointed out that most of these camps were found in dense forests. Many were camps that were operating individually and funds had been raised through donations.

VKumar · Post by **VKumar** » 27 Jan 2013 12:58

I have always held that the Mumbai Terror attacks could not have been possible without active and full time local support. Any amount of watching videos and GPS training cannot help to the extent the attacks were successful. If Kasab was an example of the type of terrorist who participated, then knowing his poor education, how could he navigate the streets without local guidance.

I have never read anywhere on this angle. Definitely this is a cover up by GOI for votes. Perhaps if a BJP govt with spine is formed in 2014, this aspect will be probed and due justice will be meted out to the traitors.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 27 Jan 2013 13:21

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Jan 2013 21:52

Who headed the Maha ATS when Col Purohit et al were first arrested?

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 28 Jan 2013 22:09

ramana wrote:Who headed the Maha ATS when Col Purohit et al were first arrested?

K P Raghuvamsi?

Karkare succeeded K. P. Raghuvanshi as the Chief of ATS in January 2008 and was eventually succeeded by Raghuvanshi after he was killed on 26 November 2008. He was credited with solving the serial bombing cases in Thane, Vashi and Panvel, and led the investigation of the 29 September Malegaon blasts.

KP Raghuvanshi has paid the price for talking too much. Days after he invited the ire of the Centre for revealing the names of the suspected terrorists plotting an attack on ONGC tankers, the head of the state anti-terrorism squad (ATS) has been shifted from his position. Rakesh Maria, joint commissioner, crime, will replace him.