Ambar,Ambar wrote:
Where did you get those figures from? So they have a census to count defecating people in India now? 803 million homeless? So,8/10 Indians are homeless? (Where's that damn rolling eyes emoticon when you need it!?)
http://www.metafuture.org/Articles/futu ... kistan.htmBeyond the pendulum of the general and the landlord-politician: Understanding and creating alternative futures and scenarios for Pakistan
By Sohail Inayatullah
Professor, Tamkang University, University of the Sunshine Coast, and Prout College.
In this essay, I outline Five futures for Pakistan: (1) the Pendulum continues forever, (2) Collapse, (3) Joining Chindia, (4) the Great Game, and (5) a South Asian Confederation. The most familiar and likely are based on the pendulum of rule by the military and rule by landlord/politicians. However, what is needed is to move from the more likely and less desirable futures to a process of anticipatory democracy where the citizens of Pakistan consider, create and commit to building their preferred future
Archan ji there was a time in 2001 - 2004 when the only option to call India was via these websites Raza, Reliablecall & 9278 etc. Because for poor F1 student making $5.15/hr on campus could not afford AT&T calling rates but with advent of Reliance India call I have never ever used these shady companies ever. Now I have said goodbye to Anil Ambani as well and switched to Vonage.archan wrote: Sony TV usa has been showing a paki flag on top of its screen all day today, as it is 14th Aug. Someone asked me why they need to do this... I told them their aim is to gain viewership, not make statements. A dollar coming from a paki is the same as coming from anyone else (for them). It is all "South Asia". Tomorrow they will stick the Indian flag. No big deal.
PS: that is especially true since raza dot com pays them a ton of revenue by sponsoring their shows. I wish I could find those Indians who buy India calling service from that source and have a little chat with them.
One has to admire his ability to preserve sense of humor even in a calamity.."The nation faced the situation successfully at that time of the partition and, God willing, we will emerge successful in this test," he said.
Perhaps the pakis should pray Allah and get a boon - they should not be killed while prarying, eating, reproducing or killing...then they would become invincible.He said that the strike occurred during the evening Ramadan prayers
I hope Basanti manages to convey this message to the Pakis before its too late.Singha wrote:as per my sources americans have mixed steriliity drugs with the packaged water bottles being thrown off helicopters. its a consipiracy to make pakistanis sterile.
How do you know that?mayo wrote:But is it right to rejoice in the death of a mango Abdul who is only bothered about earning his $1 each day?
No. We pay a price for being humane and generous while dealing with the Pakis, only to find these ogres in human form returning each time to their true nature.mayo wrote:I am just pointing at the fact that we possibly pay a price for such unbridled display of hatred towards them.
As a large country “that is doing so well economically,” India should “look at the misery of Pakistan during the unprecedented floods, put aside our differences and help Pakistan,” says Aziz Memon, chairman of the $100-million Kings group of Pakistan
How do you look at the recent Foreign Ministers meet which began well but ended in a fiasco?
The comments made by your Interior (Home) Secretary were not required. But we need more trust and confidence and have to clear the backlog that we are carrying. Pakistan is bleeding with terror, and this concession has to be given to us.
Do you expect more generosity from India, the bigger country?
Yes, it is larger and doing so well economically; it has to carry its neighbours along. Also as we discussed at the Rotary conference if we improve the interaction between civil society and the media, our trade and business ties, etc., we can solve many issues. In the past, the politicians have said let's first resolve Kashmir, but I say put trade and commerce first. Today we need to get yarn and machinery from India, India has to get cement and other things from Pakistan. I know for sure that both your Prime Minister and our President want better relations but are shy about the backlash at home.
Yes that emoticon is needed for those who do not see the tongue-in-cheek sarcasm in that postAmbar wrote:Where did you get those figures from? So they have a census to count defecating people in India now? 803 million homeless? So,8/10 Indians are homeless? (Where's that damn rolling eyes emoticon when you need it!?)rgsrini wrote:$5M. Indian government does not have their priorities straight obviously. Look at India's condition as known to the entire world
1. 902M people defecating the streets every day
2. 781M people who earn less than $1 per day
3. 803M people sleeping on road side
4. 79% of people are illiterate
5. 200M people suffering from Malaria
6. 107M farmers committing suicides every year
7. 52M children dying of diarrhea every year
8. 209M afflicted by leprosy
How can the poor despicable SDRE country of India afford to give $5M to the great TFTA, "better at spoken English" country of TSP? India should forget projecting ourselves as a super power and concentrate on taking care of the poor. May Allah save India!
So, should we do the same to do an equal-equal with them?Airavat wrote:How do you know that?mayo wrote:But is it right to rejoice in the death of a mango Abdul who is only bothered about earning his $1 each day?
How many of these abduls have contributed money to terror groups? Sent their sons to become terrorists? Rejoiced at every terror act in India and the wider world? Engaged in communal attacks on minorities in their village/town/city?
I am not suggesting to forgive or forget. All I am saying is that we can possibly do a more detached analysis.Airavat wrote:No. We pay a price for being humane and generous while dealing with the Pakis, only to find these ogres in human form returning each time to their true nature.mayo wrote:I am just pointing at the fact that we possibly pay a price for such unbridled display of hatred towards them.
Keep up the pressure on this worthless country of thugs and thieves. Never forget and never forgive.
You left out begging!Suppiah wrote:^^^
Perhaps the pakis should pray Allah and get a boon - they should not be killed while prarying, eating, reproducing or killing...then they would become invincible.
SSridhar wrote:India must help rebuild Pakistan
How can India help Pakistan? India itself is a victim of floods. More Indians have been killed in Leh than any other nationality in our fight against floods.India has to understand that we ourselves are the victims of terrorism... Pakistan is victim No 1! But we are still trying to sort out old and contentious issues and going only back and back...Pakistan is getting hit by terrorism all the time.
I would have expected that the visitation rights of the national bird of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan would have been revoked for the duration of the month of Ramazan / Ramadan which Mohammedans consider holy by the Government of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.Brad Goodman wrote:While Chinooks are dropping water bottles & Halal packets Droneacharya is also dropping its prasad over paapis
Deaths in Pakistan drone attack
.Lo and behold! A couple of humorous posts on the flood situation makes those BRF members equal to those terrorists?mayo wrote:So, should we do the same to do an equal-equal with them?
That has been done in the previous pages. You can do serious analysis in your own posts without getting upset over someone else's posts, as long as they don't break forum rules.mayo wrote:I am not suggesting to forgive or forget. All I am saying is that we can possibly do a more detached analysis.
The British are mighty pissed off by the insults heaped on its soldiers by Paki community.Brad Goodman wrote:The recurring theme I see in comments section of British & Kanadian papers is why should we financially support a country that has nookes? And other one is these are terror lands and those scuba diving are terrorists. Now I am loving both arguments
Flood crisis: Indian aid equals evil aid?
Nadya V
Seriously guys, are we really arguing over whether India giving us $5 million in aid was enough aid? Or that we should give it back because they are ‘the enemy’? I have been following this growing debate on some stories circulating on The Express Tribune website and it is making me sick (I apologise in advance to all my haters if I write in too straightforward a manner, but that is what the freedom of blogging entails for me). ………………
Mayo - Thanks for articulating this nicely. Regards.It takes the credibility away from the serious discussions that are held in this forum. .. Just imagine what will a newbie Indian/Western BRFite think of such comments. I think their is a lot of good information and scholarly people on this forum. It is in our interest if more and more people learn the reality of Pakistan. A rational and detached analysis of the situation will probably lend more credibility and attract more audience in the long run.
abhishek_sharma wrote:U.S. Offers Aid to Rescue Pakistanis and Reclaim Image
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/15/world ... pstan.html
Oh but it is quite OK for 450,000 of them to be sitting on the Indian border ogling BSF babes.The scale of the flooding is also demanding a greater role from the Pakistani military, which in turn leaves some American military officials concerned that the army’s counterinsurgency campaign could falter in the northwest border regions.
Reminds me of this NYT report from last yearAiravat wrote:How many of these abduls have contributed money to terror groups? Sent their sons to become terrorists? Rejoiced at every terror act in India and the wider world?
“Lashkar-e-Taiba does not kill people without reason,” Mr. Yasin said at his home in Karachi, a few blocks from where his nephew planned the Mumbai attacks
shiv wrote:More Indians have been killed in Leh than any other nationality in our fight against floods.
One can understand the compulsion for Zardari to speak like this. The bolded part is a patent lie. Pakistan did not become a 'security-driven state' because of violent extremism. It was the 'security-driven state' that spawned such violent extremism to meet its objective. Zardari felt it prudent, probably, not to state the obvious and cause one more wrangle with the PA.Calling for introspection on whether Pakistan had lived up to the vision of its founding fathers, Mr. Zardari said: “Violent extremism has tended to make Pakistan a security driven rather than a welfare driven country. Let us, therefore, on this day also resolve to defeat the militant mindset and make Pakistan a truly welfare driven than a security driven state.”
I don't want to nitpick on this statement from the honorable MMSJi, especially so since this is one of those rare strong statements from him on TSP terror against India, but neverthess, I get the faint suspiscon that India is soft peddling on the need for TSP to move on the Mumbai terror plot. Even SMK made a similar statement sans Mumbai.abhishek_sharma wrote:Pakistan has to move on terror, says Prime Minister
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 313728.cms
I disagree.Hari Seldon wrote:
Its a real politik world out there. Everyone out there is practicing, refining, honing, perfecting deception 24x7 out there. No?
JMTs of course.
Yep..reconstructed and restored at a cost of 38 million$,great job by the TATA group.I hope they construct a memorial in honor of the victims of 26/11.Singha wrote:today is the day old wing of Taj mumbai is back in service.
Pak-US relations: the long war
A few days back, I had the occasion to meet Professor Walter Russell Mead......
He was of the view that Pakistan’s security perspective framed around a hostile and overbearing India was faulty and in conflict with the US perspective of a stable and prosperous Asia led by India. He suggested that Pakistan ought to forget all issues with India and instead focus on a supportive role in the region with it (India) in the lead and become a prosperous country, rather then be doomed economically, as it presently is.
http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... -long-war/
A_Gupta wrote:Mayo,
As the Friday Times reported a few weeks before these floods, the farmers of Pakjab were paying "Ushr" to the Al Rehmat trust. There is a rate for rain-fed land and another for canal-irrigated land. As the Friday Times reported, this money is used for wounded mujahideen and for their families. Al Rehmat is a front for the Jaish-e-Muhammad, as per google.
I see the plight of the people on TV and keep reaching for my credit card, and have to restrain myself. Strangely, this catastrophe in Pakistan will save Indian, American, Afghan and even other Pakistani lives, simply because the jihadis will have fewer resources for a while.
That is the bitter reality that we see. It could be we are deluded; but I doubt it. It is impossible to be dispassionate about it.
So there is no sense in shedding tears for devastation in Pakistan , Voluntarily or by coercion the whole (abomi)nation is involved in terror against India.Saeed’s group, despite the ban on JuD’s assets by the US Treasury Department, was openly soliciting funds for jehad through its weekly, Ghazwa. In an advertisement, the group sought Ushr from farmers. Islamic customs urge farmers to keep aside a 20th of his wheat crop for charity, i.e., ‘Ushr’. JuD said Ushr was needed to support jehad in Kashmir, Afghanistan and Iraq. ‘Your Ushr will support mujahideen, their widows, their families, etc. It will also be used in buying weapons for mujahideen,’ ran the ad. In June 2008, Saeed was quite actively promoting the cause of jehad from his mosque in Lahore. In his Friday sermon (June 20, 2008) at Jamia Masjid al-Qadsia in Lahore, Saeed said: ‘Jihad is not terrorism. It is the biggest source of establishing peace on earth. The state of the world’s affairs is changing rapidly because of the sacrifices offered by the Muslims. The Muslims must remain steadfast.’
