Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2
Posted: 13 Feb 2015 19:42
Jaishankar is visiting all saarc nations right? Just treat porkis the same as other saarc nations and don't consider them as equal to India.
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I hope this article is not being seen as towel-throwing or a sign of changing paki attitudes. If pakistan has a water crisis and becomes unlivable, that is very bad news for India, especially since we have not proved good at forecasting, planning and preparation.Peregrine wrote:Long Article - very, very Intresting and Breathtaking - So posting in full. - X Posdted on IWT Thread
Pakistan braces for a water crisis
ISLAMABAD: Energy-starved Pakistanis, their economy battered by chronic fuel and electricity shortages, may soon have to contend with a new resource crisis: major water shortages, the Pakistani government warned this week.
A combination of global climate change and local waste and mismanagement have led to an alarmingly rapid depletion of Pakistan's water supply, said the minister for water and energy, Khawaja Muhammad Asif.
"Under the present situation, in the next six to seven years, Pakistan can be a water-starved country," Mr. Asif said in an interview, echoing a warning that he first issued at a news conference in Lahore this week.
The prospect of a major water crisis in Pakistan, even if several years distant, offers a stark reminder of a growing challenge in other poor and densely populated countries that are vulnerable to global climate change.
In Pakistan, it poses a further challenge to Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, whose government has come under sharp criticism for failing to end the country's electricity crisis. In some rural areas, heavy rationing has meant that as little as four hours of electricity a day is available.
In the interview, Mr. Asif said the government had started to bring the electricity crisis under control, and predicted a return to a normal supply by 2017. But energy experts are less confident that such a turnaround is possible, given how long and complex the problem has proved to be.
Now the country's water supply looms as a resource challenge, intensified by Pakistan's enduring infrastructure and management problems.
Agriculture is a cornerstone of the Pakistani economy. The 2,000-mile-long Indus River, which rises in the Himalayas and spans the country, feeds a vast network of irrigation canals that line fields producing wheat, vegetables and cotton, all major sources of foreign currency. In the north, hydroelectric power stations are a cornerstone of the creaking power system.
A combination of melting glaciers, decreasing rainfall and chronic mismanagement by successive governments has put that water supply in danger, experts say.
In a report published in 2013, the Asian Development Bank described Pakistan as one of the most "water-stressed" countries in the world, with a water availability of 1,000 cubic meters per person per year — a fivefold drop since independence in 1947, and about the same level as drought-stricken Ethiopia.
"It is a very serious situation," said Pervaiz Amir, country director for the Pakistan Water Partnership. "I feel it is going to be more serious than the recent oil shortages."
Shortages of resources have climbed to the top of the political agenda in recent years. Fuel shortages last month, for which government officials blamed mismanagement by the national oil company, caused lengthy lines outside fuel stations that embarrassed the government at a time of low global oil prices.
Mr. Sharif's government was already grappling with the seemingly intractable electricity crisis, which regularly causes blackouts of 10 hours a day even in major cities. And Mr. Sharif has been visibly distracted by grueling political duels, with the opposition politician Imran Khan, who accuses him of stealing the 2013 election, and with powerful military leaders who have undermined his authority in key areas.
Mr. Asif, the water and energy minister, said the government had started to turn the corner. But he acknowledged that the country's resource problems were, to a large degree, endemic. "There is a national habit of extravagance," he said, noting that it extended across resource areas, whether gas, electricity or water.
"I will be very careful not to use the word 'drought,' but we are water stressed right now, and slowly, we are moving to be a water-starved country," he said.
Evidence of chronic water shortages have been painfully evident in some parts of Pakistan in recent years. A drought caused by erratic rainfall in Tharparkar, a desert area in southern Sindh Province, caused a humanitarian emergency in the region last year.
"The frequency of monsoon rains has decreased but their intensity has increased," said Mr. Amir of the Pakistan Water Partnership. "That means more water stress, particularly in winters."Therefore the Phloods
Water is also tied to nationalist, even jihadist, politics in Pakistan. For years, religious conservatives and Islamist militants have accused rival India, where the Indus River system rises, of constricting Pakistan's water supply.
Hafiz Saeed, the leader of the militant group that carried out the 2008 attacks in Mumbai, India, Lashkar-e-Taiba, regularly rails against Indian "water terrorism" during public rallies.
Mr. Asif said that contrary to such claims, India was not building reservoirs on rivers that flow into Pakistan. "We will never let it happen," he said, citing the Indus Water Treaty, an agreement between the two countries that was brokered by the World Bank and signed in the 1960s.
One major culprit in Pakistan's looming water crisis, experts say, is the country's inadequate water storage facilities. In India, about one-third of the water supply is stored in reservoirs, compared with just 9 percent in Pakistan, Amir said.
"We built our last dam 46 years ago," he said. "India has built 4,000 dams, with another 150 in the pipeline."
Experts say the country's chaotic policies are hurting its image in the eyes of Western donorswho could help alleviate the mounting resource crises.
"The biggest looming crisis is of governance, not water — which could make this country unlivable in the next few years," said Arshad H. Abbasi, a water and energy expert with the Sustainable Development and Policy Institute, a research group based in Islamabad.
Pakists say : We are not like you Evil Indian Hindus who have a bath in the moooooorning and then in the evennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnning. We Pakistanis bathe Dur Rooz Jumay Kay Jumay - Every Day on Friday, Every Day on Friday, Every Day on Friday.
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Talking to Pakistan now is the same old incoherence of policy that we have seen all along. Our policy is incoherent because there is no enduring guiding principle or strategic goal on our side. Just wanting to be left alone without being attacked is not a principle. It is just animal instinct.LokeshC wrote:I am not putting a spin on it. I am just trying to be factual. In my opinion, talking about talks is also a mistake. Dont talk to Bakis, especially if its due to external pressure. It gives Bakis wet dreams of victory and it also gives an external entity a "well known path" to make India and Bakistan to talk.
If it were to me, then absolutely no talks with Bakistan. Period. I would hurt them and find ways to hurt them relentlessly until they themselves come to me and start begging on my terms.
If I were feeling big hearted, I will start talks only when I know that Bakistan will not imagine wild theories about why I decided to talk.
Statistics from Pakistani government web-sites:In a report published in 2013, the Asian Development Bank described Pakistan as one of the most "water-stressed" countries in the world, with a water availability of 1,000 cubic meters per person per year — a fivefold drop since independence in 1947.
Peregrine wrote:Long Article - very, very Intresting and Breathtaking - So posting in full. - X Posdted on IWT Thread
Pakistan braces for a water crisis
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KLNMuthy Ji :KLNMurthy wrote:I hope this article is not being seen as towel-throwing or a sign of changing paki attitudes. If pakistan has a water crisis and becomes unlivable, that is very bad news for India, especially since we have not proved good at forecasting, planning and preparation.
And in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, Mohammaddenism is such that “the religion itself is pro-human rights” so much so that news report of today’s Green on Green Intra-Mohammadden religion inspired sectarian slaughter which saw Mohammaddens of the minority Shia sect at prayer in a Mohammadden place of worship on the day of Mohammadenism’s Sabbath of Friday getting slaughtered by Sunni co-religionists is nothing but a Hindu, Jewish and Christist fabrication to malign Pakistan, Islam, Muslims and Musharraf himselfkish wrote:Gen. Machod Musharaf calls "Hinduism" as anti-human rights, that baastad was invited for "Leadership Summit"
Amaan-ki-Tamasha group get interviews from him.![]()
Musharraf: Pakistan and India's backing for 'proxies' in Afghanistan must stopThe army remains deeply suspicious of India, a country that has beaten Pakistan in three conflicts since independence and played a critical role in the secession of Bangladesh from Pakistan in 1971. Musharraf insists he is not an “India hater”, but bristles at what he says is western bias towards Pakistan’s giant neighbour. “‘India is the greatest democracy, promoter of human rights and democratic culture’? All bullshit,” he said. “There is no human rights. The religion itself is anti-human rights. In the rural areas, if even the shadow of an untouchable goes on a pandit, that man can be killed.”
Punjab 54% of population 58% of army officer corps in 2005. KPK 13% of pop and 22% of army officer corps in 2005
What that this analyst/exbert for the ORF figured out about pakistan that he thinks will make any interaction with Pakistan benefit India -- this kind of dimwitted cr@p is what got India into trouble with pakistan the past 50 times this was pushed by third-rate morons who call themselves FP experts in Indian "think tanks" run by the babucracy.As he reviews the state of bilateral relations with the Pakistani officials and political leadership, Dr. Jaishankar would want to test out the possibilities for instituting a new framework of engagement rather than simply return to status quo ante.
The significant change unfolding in the Subcontinent—both within the region and its international relations—demands that the two sides try and develop a fresh approach to the troubled relationship between India and Pakistan.
Getting into a Hinduism-Islam open fly-torn shirt type of argument with a paki specimen like Musharaf is like the proverbial wrestling with a pig--you get dirty and the pig likes it.arun wrote:Musharraf: Pakistan and India's backing for 'proxies' in Afghanistan must stopThe army remains deeply suspicious of India, a country that has beaten Pakistan in three conflicts since independence and played a critical role in the secession of Bangladesh from Pakistan in 1971. Musharraf insists he is not an “India hater”, but bristles at what he says is western bias towards Pakistan’s giant neighbour. “‘India is the greatest democracy, promoter of human rights and democratic culture’? All bullshit,” he said. “There is no human rights. The religion itself is anti-human rights. In the rural areas, if even the shadow of an untouchable goes on a pandit, that man can be killed.”
And in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, Mohammaddenism is such that “the religion itself is pro-human rights” so much so that news report of today’s Green on Green Intra-Mohammadden religion inspired sectarian slaughter which saw Mohammaddens of the minority Shia sect at prayer in a Mohammadden place of worship on the day of Mohammadenism’s Sabbath of Friday getting slaughtered by Sunni co-religionists is nothing but a Hindu, Jewish and Christist fabrication to malign Pakistan, Islam, Muslims and Musharraf himself.
Or may be nothing of the above and instead Musharraf will tell us that the demonstration of the IED Mubarak variant of the IEDology of Pakistan at the Hayatabad Mosque / Imambargah in Peshawar was nothing but a demonstration of Mohammaddenism’s pro-human rights ethos that allows suicide by blowing oneself up even in places filled with others worshipping:
I took a look at the contents of the announcement: Looks like Modi sarkar's approach is to lump TSP with saarc nations, Jaishanker is going to all saarc nations including (i.e., not excluding) pakistan. It is being spun by media on both sides as "Jaishankar is going to Pakistan." That kind of spin probably suits the sarkar. They can keep their options open--tell the US and whoever, well, look, we wants to be friends with everyone, but it is up to each one to return the friendliness. If anyone attacks us, or does hostile things like talk to our separatists, we'll defend ourselves, and in that case can't be expected to be talking to them.Prasad wrote:We'll there really hasn't been any change on the ground. What would we gain by opening up talks again? Even the usual media circus seems to be waiting and not wailing like they did initially.
Just curious, how Pakistani government deals with the idea that Pakistan lost half of its population in 1971. (Or they just call west Bangaladesh as pakistan now?A_Gupta wrote:
Statistics from Pakistani government web-sites:
Pakistani population 1951: 33.7 million
Pakistani population 2013: 184 million
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However where will they get gas to transport all the material to the border? Just pindi chana and grass will not be enough...pankajs wrote:If I were the BakMil, I would start another round of border violation, at least make huge noise about heavy exchange of fire on the border, just before the Indian FS lands in Bakistan and test Modi's "You cannot hear each other while bombs are going off and bullets are flying"A_Gupta wrote:Positive spin on Modi's move:
http://www.firstpost.com/world/howzatt- ... 97333.html
notion of baahmin-bania oppression of shudders and untouchables (while simultaneously looking down on the same groups themselves).
Interesting., the time Jaishankar spends in Bakistan is considered as the optics of the meeting (and not the chronos of the meeting!!!). What JaiShankar does in his private pakistan is his business and how much time he wants to spend in there is also his business. However the chronos of the meeting is not calculated by how much time Jaishankar spends in Bakistan, but what message is delivered to Sharif.pankajs wrote:On that ... the simple metric will be how much time does he spend in each capital, how many meeting and how many minutes in meeting?
Chances are he will spend the maximum in slumbad ... and that means Bakis get the most importance. JS is supposed to be a straight shooter. Give him free hand and have him raise hell during the meeting and talk on nothing but Mumbai trial farce.
That in itself will change the optics of the meeting.
Pakis would be fine as long as isloo and lahore has water.Peregrine wrote:Long Article - very, very Intresting and Breathtaking - So posting in full. - X Posdted on IWT Thread
Pakistan braces for a water crisis
On what basis?A_Gupta wrote:Statistics from Pakistani government web-sites:In a report published in 2013, the Asian Development Bank described Pakistan as one of the most "water-stressed" countries in the world, with a water availability of 1,000 cubic meters per person per year — a fivefold drop since independence in 1947.
Pakistani population 1951: 33.7 million
Pakistani population 2013: 184 million
krisna Ji :krisna wrote:hafeez the pig cannot squael any more in rallies per bakistan govt.
Poaqroaches' annual growth rate is actually 3.7% . Their number now close to 275 Million and may double these numbers by 2030. With GDP of 300 Billion and literacy around 18 % , paki are on the path to fulfill their destiny of being first LOLdesh in the world. Na Paani, Na Pyaz , only Mush Mey Khaaj, shall remain Paki Andaz.abhijitm wrote:On what basis?
From 1980 pakistani rats are constantly multiplying (officially) at the rate of 3% per year. In 1981 their population was 83 million. 1991 it reached 114 million. This is growth rate of 3.3% p.a. There is no sign of them slowing down. In fact this water crisis supports the theory. Means in 2014 pakistani population should be at least 240 million. Even if we trust their last official census of 1998, which was 137 million, and adjust the growth 3% still in 2014 the population should be 220 million. In my opinion number of pakis as of now are 250 millions minimum.
A_Gupta Ji :A_Gupta wrote:The best info. we have is the preliminary results of the 2011 Pakistani census, which showed a total of 192 million. So why did I put 184 million in 2013? Just to show that even with the most conservative numbers, Pakistan's water crisis is essentially because of population growth, and Pakistan's water crisis is underestimated.
As compared to the population of 130,857,717 in 1998, the overall population was recorded at 192,288,944 in 2011 all over Pakistan, excluding three districts of Balochistan (Khuzdar, Kech and Panjgur) Agency of Fata (South Waziristan) as well as Azad Jammu and Kashmir (AJ&K) and Gilgit-Baltistan.
However, with the inclusion of population of Azad Jammu and Kashmir and Gilgit Baltistan, the population of the country would reach 197,361,691 in 2011 against 134,714,017 in 1998, showing an increase of 46.5 percent.
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Some population data:
( please take these to be indicative only; for all
the caveats on the data please refer to the original publications )
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Undivided India
Percent of Total Population in Each Religion 1881-1941
Hindu Muslim
1881 78.09 19.97
1891 74.24 20.41
1901 72.87 21.88
1911 71.68 22.39
1921 70.73 23.23
1931 70.67 23.49
1941 69.46 24.28 [1]
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[2]
Millions (1988 est.) Hindu Muslim (1982)
India 796.60 78.8% 11.6%
Bangladesh 104.53 12.7 85.9
Pakistan 105.41 1.3 96.8
adding another line to the first table:
India + Bangladesh + Pakistan
Hindu Muslim
1980s 63.8 28.2
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[1] : Davis Kingsley, The Population of India and Pakistan, ~1951.
[2] : Economist Book of Vital World Statistics, 1990
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India must realize a few things wrt Pakistan:What prompted the NDA government to engage Pakistan now? Prime Minister Narendra Modi's apparently unscheduled phone conversation with his Pakistani counterpart Nawaz Sharif and a promise to send foreign secretary S Jaishankar to Islamabad signals a resumption of engagement that reinforces his neighbourhood focus.
A sign that the frosty atmosphere between India and Pakistan may be changing came on Thursday when MEA spokesman Syed Akbaruddin tweeted that India expected 173 fishermen to be released by Pakistan next week. (Pakistan holds about 576 Indian fishermen in their custody).
"Expectation of return soon. We have been informed that 173 Indian prisoners are to be released and repatriated from Pakistan on 16 February,"
The second sign was a conversation between Sharif and US President Barack Obama.
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The official line from the White House said, "The president discussed his recent visit to India, and noted the United States supports all efforts by both nations to improve ties." In response, Sharif said India should not become a permanent member of the UN security council.
The only legacy of the months of silence that is likely to stay is the condition on Pakistan-Hurriyat talks. India is unlikely to climb down from that position, which will be resisted by Pakistan. But on this, the Modi government is expected to stay firm.
Pakistan is also likely to push for the resumption of the composite dialogue, but India is not expected to reopen talks in the old format anymore. Jaishankar's talks with his Pakistani counterpart is likely to cover all relevant issues but India will resist going back to the old strait-jacketed format.
Balancing his outreach to Pakistan, the Modi government has retained its focus on terrorism. Modi on Thursday stressed Pakistan's role in fomenting the menace.
Addressing governors, Modi was quoted as saying, "The expanding footprint of extremist and terrorist organizations in Pakistan, and their link with terror activities in India, is a major security challenge."
The government's sudden decision to reach out to Pakistan took many by surprise. But the timing is indicative of a couple of things: First, the desire to change the dominant negative narrative of the Modi government in the aftermath of the Delhi elections. The move will be popular with the constituency that has been uncomfortable with Modi's decision in August 2014 to call off foreign secretary talks. {Who is this constituency and why should they be satisfied?}
Secondly, it coincides with reports that BJP and PDP have struck a power-sharing deal in Jammu & Kashmir.
Modi government's decision to take a tough line with Pakistan in August was also connected to the political alignment prior to the state elections in J&K.
The return to engagement by the Modi government has been in line with the outreach efforts of previous governments. Both the Vajpayee and Manmohan Singh governments have used more or less similar tactics to re-engage Pakistan after periods of frosty ties.
See, the paki mofos are actually partially clever, like a partially pregnant woman, but they don't realize who they are dealing with.Its frivolous objections to Indian projects and a general unwillingness to engage India constructively are partly to force India to amend the IWT to accommodate the emerging patterns of water use in Pakistan, such as water sharing during periods of shortage, a situation not envisaged in the Treaty
I can think of two "constituencies" that are unhappy: the businessmen who get to make money from pakis and the bureaucrats who seem to be intent on pushing a love-fest with pakistan for some reason. Seriously disappointing to see NaMo continue with worthless sh!tty pakistan policy followed by MMS and his ilk, though one can see why this is being done, if one assumes that the current regime is not braindead and worthless like the UPA regime, at least not the current NSA.The government's sudden decision to reach out to Pakistan took many by surprise. But the timing is indicative of a couple of things: First, the desire to change the dominant negative narrative of the Modi government in the aftermath of the Delhi elections. The move will be popular with the constituency that has been uncomfortable with Modi's decision in August 2014 to call off foreign secretary talks.
The Hindu has learnt that in late December, Mr. Basit met Mr. Doval to discuss the possibility of resuming talks. On Wednesday, the govern-ment, for the first time, sent a Minister, Petroleum Minister Dharmendra Pradhan, to Islamabad to attend a meeting on the ‘TAPI’ gas pipeline that was chaired by Mr. Sharif. Mr. Pradhan met with Mr. Sharif separately too.
Because he is the Prime Minister of India now. He should do what he thinks is right for the country and he did just that. Whether he got visa or not a decade ago should not matter.Harish wrote:Maybe it's just me, but Modiji appears to be gushing goodwill in all directions - including toward the toilet. As someone who was repeatedly denied a visa to the US for years, why did he have to invite that country's President for the R-Day function, hain?