Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - Apr 22 2015

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 12 May 2015 18:17

So after all, my source was right on OBL.

Philip wrote:The revelations today that the Osama "hit" was a complete fraud,that he was sold out by the Paki military/ISI in cahoots with the US for a "fistful of $$$",and that they shot down an old unarmed man stripped of his protectors just before the raid,and dumped his body parts from the air along the way,shows why the US cannot be trusted at all.It also shows the pervert,amoral relationship between the US and Pak,and why India cannot ever expect it to abandon its favourite rent boy.Mr.Modi abnd co. should take a good hard look at the Indo-US relationship and not get tricked into a "peace in our time' with Pak.as Snake-Oil Singh was attempting to do at US behest.

http://www.infowars.com/seymour-hersh-b ... e-big-lie/
Seymour Hersh: Bin Laden Raid “One Big Lie”
Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
September 27, 2013

Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Seymour Hersh says that the raid which killed Osama Bin Laden in 2011 is “one big lie” and that “not one word” of the Obama administration’s narrative on what happened is true.

In a wide-ranging interview published today by the Guardian, Hersh savages the US media for failing to challenge the White House on a whole host of issues, from NSA spying, to drone attacks, to aggression against Syria.

On the subject of the Navy Seal raid that supposedly resulted in the death of the Al-Qaeda terror leader, Hersh remarked, “Nothing’s been done about that story, it’s one big lie, not one word of it is true.”

Hersh added that the Obama administration habitually lies but they continue to do so because the press allows them to get away with it.

“It’s pathetic, they are more than obsequious, they are afraid to pick on this guy [Obama],” Hersh told the Guardian.

The raid that supposedly led to Bin Laden’s death has been shrouded in mystery for over two years. Speculation that the Obama administration may have embellished or outright lied about the true account of what happened has persisted, mainly because the White House has refused to publicly release images of Bin Laden’s body.

Although the White House said the corpse was immediately “buried at sea” in line with Islamic tradition, it quickly emerged that this was not standard practice.

Numerous analysts have claimed that Bin Laden had in fact been dead for years and that the raid on his alleged compound in Pakistan was little more than a stunt.

Other questions also persist, such as why the narrative and timeline of the raid has changed multiple times, why the White House initially claimed that “situation room” photos showed Obama watching the raid live when in fact there was a blackout on the live feed, and why neighbors in the immediate area surrounding the compound said with absolute certainty that they had never seen Bin Laden and that they knew of no evidence whatsoever to suggest he lived there.

During the rest of the Guardian interview, which is well worth reading in its entirety, Hersh lambastes the corporate press and particularly the New York Times, which he says spends “so much more time carrying water for Obama than I ever thought they would.”

Hersh’s solution is to shut down news networks like NBC and ABC and fire 90% of mainstream editors, replacing them with real journalists who are outsiders and not afraid to speak truth to power.

“The republic’s in trouble, we lie about everything, lying has become the staple,” concluded Hersh.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 12 May 2015 19:08

Anindya wrote:Shiv Sena welcomes BJP's move to oppose India-Pak cricket series

All this fine, but in the end, I'd like to see what the biggies: ModiJi, Rajnath Singh, and Jaitly think of this sell out to TSP, that slime balls like Dalmia and DDM want.

Another big f$ing lie that is peddled as gospel truth by traitors is that "politics and cricket should not mix". This is bloody dumb that it gets regurgitated so often that it becomes a mantra on its own. When a DDM jack arse or bimbo repeats this crap, someone should ask them if a woman who was raped should also play badminton with the rapist because politics and sports should not mix.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 12 May 2015 20:06

http://www.dawn.com/news/1181357

Senior educationist Dr Bernadette leaves Pakistan after receiving death threats

A senior educationist and member of the government-appointed advisory committee for curriculum and textbooks reforms has left the country ‘fearing for life’ after receiving threatening calls and facing a ‘hate propaganda campaign’, it emerged on Monday.

She said a political party was instrumental in unleashing the ‘hate campaign’ against her for writing textbooks as a member of the advisory committee. “This campaign started a few months ago with threatening phone calls to members of the advisory committee on curriculum and textbook reform and Sindh Textbook Board, visits of religious leaders from the Punjab and Sindh to the STBB to complain about me and the work I am doing with respect to textbook writing, a vicious letter accusing me of being a foreigner woman who has single-handedly made changes to the curriculum and textbooks that made them secular and called me an enemy of Islam.”

Motorma did this blasphemy

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 12 May 2015 21:05

Even the Amriki funded F-16s could not intercept Amriki stealth helicopters? Last time non-TFTA Mig 21 shot down a paki plane (Antiquate) then Pakis went to International Court of Justice.

Wonder what stops the more gora than gora Pakis from ICJ this time. May be that they were hiding Osama bin Laden for a decade while Afghanistan was bombed to stone age.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 12 May 2015 21:29

CRS, last night Zeenews was reporting that many bookies dealing with IPL were arrested.

Meanwhile from GDF:

XXX wrote: Hersh just confirmed what brf and India knew from day1
Tspa had him in protective custody in cantonment town
He had many health problems
When he outlived usefulness they sold him for $25 mil just as tribal leaders sold Saddam off
The seals crept in and killed him only mishap being blackhawk crash
Tspaf sat on the ground as planned while amirkans did a nearly 1500km round trip over tsp

Don't forget in 1998, a US General had flown into TSP to tell them Tomahawk Cruise missiles were on their way and not from India.
So to expect TSPA no bought off to prevent a possible nuke war is down right silly.

Even in Abortabad raid, some Fizzleya planes took off and were ordered to return to base.
Shows some of Fizzleya were not in the loop.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 12 May 2015 22:44

Cricket diplomacy: Modi seeks to improve ties through Pak-India series

India’s Prime Minister Narendra Modi reiterated his resolve to break ice with the neighbouring country through "cricket diplomacy" despite the apprehensions raised by some Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) lawmakers about a proposed India-Pakistan cricket series, Indian Express reported on Tuesday.

"We have taken the decision to start a cricket series between both countries to improve our relations," said Modi during a BJP parliamentary party meeting on Tuesday, a BJP lawmaker who was present told IANS on the condition of anonymity.

Soon after a resolution was adopted appreciating initiatives taken by the Modi government during its first year in office, Modi said some of the members have expressed concern against the series and that is why he was "clearing the air", said the source. Party lawmaker R.K. Singh, a former union home secretary, had raised apprehension over the issue in the Lok Sabha on Monday. Cricketer-turned-BJP MP Kirti Azad had also opposed the move.

According to sources, only Modi spoke at the meeting. None of the MPs said anything this time, especially after Bharat Singh, a party MP from Uttar Pradesh, had criticised the government at the last parliamentary party meeting.

Last year cricket fans in the subcontinent were rejoiced when former International Cricket Council (ICC) chairman N Srinivasan's announce that India will renew bilateral series with Pakistan in 2015.

"There has been a proposal to resume bilateral cricket ties between India and Pakistan. As I understand as ICC chairman, there has been an agreement that the two teams will play each other soon," Srinivasan had said.

The teams are expected to take on each other in the United Arab Emirates in a full series comprising two Tests, five One Day Internationals and two T20 games. According to the Future Tours and Programmes (FTP) schedule drawn up by ICC, they will play four more full-length series over the next eight years.

The 2015 series will be a 'home' series for Pakistan, but owing to security issues, matches will have to be played in UAE.

Original Article from Indian Express : Modi Seeks to Improve Relations With Pakistan Via Cricket
Cheers

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 12 May 2015 22:46

--deleted-- ICC schedule, not a local match, so may as well put some lipstick on this pig.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 12 May 2015 22:51

There should be a disclaimer stating the following:

Article penned by alleged journalist aka presstitute and pimped by sikulars. Buyer beware.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 12 May 2015 23:00

This is simply not acceptable. This only means our leaders do not value the lives of our citizen and it is o.k for the Pakis to kill Indians without any price to pay for it. Why do need to improve ties with the Paki?

member_28911 · Post by **member_28911** » 12 May 2015 23:06

Peregrine wrote: Original Article from Indian Express : Modi Seeks to Improve Relations With Pakistan Via Cricket
Cheers

The original article is from IANS and is behind a paywall.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 13 May 2015 00:01

http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-2 ... Abbottabad

Well-informed intelligence circles in the garrison town of Rawalpindi concede that the vital information about the bin Laden compound was actually provided to the Americans by none other than an ISI official - Brigadier Usman Khalid. The retired Brigadier, who has already been granted American citizenship along with his entire family members, persuaded Dr Shakil Afridi, a Pakistani physician, to conduct a fake polio campaign in the Bilal Town area of Abbottabad to help the Central Intelligence Agency hunt down Osama.

Anyone remember Brig. Usman Khalid?

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 13 May 2015 00:10

I think one should ask Pakistan that is it in accord with the dignity and honour of their country to play cricket with Earthshaster SDREs who sponsor terrorism in Pakistan via RAW.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 13 May 2015 01:29

As long as Indo-Pak cricket is simply meant to lull the Pakis, and NaMo intends to do deep penetration into the deep estate, it's okay! One needs to give an Indian PM some flexibility!

But it all comes down to trust! Does one trust the man or not? If one doesn't trust the man, then one might as well start bombarding him right away. Otherwise give him some leeway!

Pakistan has been doing both - playing cricket with India and killing Indians, all at the same time. Is it possible that Yindoos too could sooner or later get this point?

If NaMo needs the cover and din of cricket to dampen the sound of the revolver, nothing wrong with that.

But we are Chankian onlee!

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 13 May 2015 02:39

Given the information asymmetry between the govt. and the average citizen, it boils down to personal political bias -- there is no indication that the Indian govt. has actually changed its policy, regardless of Lakhvi's release or Abdul Basit Jackassery, which also means that there is no revolver to be damped. New developments of pakis renting their behinds to the chinese for the foreseeable future have changed the landscape of the paki problem. Pakis are whining about economic relations with India and India being uncooperative -- this may be a low-cost way of denying the pakis economic cooperation and some positive PR. Only problem is the pakis don't really care whatever optics India does -- they whine anyway. So we can give chankian explanations for this cricket match or whatever the govt. does, but all seems mostly pointless, as pointless as the mess that is pakis and the western border.

Vipul · Post by **Vipul** » 13 May 2015 02:57

So in the last 3 days Pakis have shown us the middle finger three times: Their jihadi reprsentative in Delhi Abdul Basit day before yesterday ruled out MFN status for India, then yesterday he denied Dawood Ibrahim is in Pakistan and now today there is news report that Pakis are going to take the arbitration route for stopping construction of 850 MW Ratle Hydroelectric Plant in J & K.

In response Modi wants to play cricket diplomacy with Pakistan? *Deleted*

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 13 May 2015 03:04

A_Gupta wrote:http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-2 ... Abbottabad

Well-informed intelligence circles in the garrison town of Rawalpindi concede that the vital information about the bin Laden compound was actually provided to the Americans by none other than an ISI official - Brigadier Usman Khalid. The retired Brigadier, who has already been granted American citizenship along with his entire family members, persuaded Dr Shakil Afridi, a Pakistani physician, to conduct a fake polio campaign in the Bilal Town area of Abbottabad to help the Central Intelligence Agency hunt down Osama.
Anyone remember Brig. Usman Khalid?

Odd character based in London since 2006.
He also started his own political party.
Writes blogs etc.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 13 May 2015 03:48

A_Gupta wrote:http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-2 ... Abbottabad
Anyone remember Brig. Usman Khalid?

Rat in 2013 with great delusions.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 13 May 2015 04:54

@vipul

Add to that the two CRPF jawans killed by Paki sponsored terrorists in Kashmir valley couple of days back.

niran · Post by **niran** » 13 May 2015 06:19

Vipul wrote:
In response Modi wants to play cricket diplomacy with Pakistan?

does any official GOI circular says that NaMo ordered kirkit diplomacy?
no
it is a plan announced by BCCI (a private club not GOI) Jaagmohan Dalmiya (founding funders of INC) the current BCCI chief and paki kirkit board chief got together at Calcutta and made that announcement
where does NaMo comes into this.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 13 May 2015 06:49

Peregrine wrote:
Original Article from Indian Express : Modi Seeks to Improve Relations With Pakistan Via Cricket
Cheers

Every cellphone owner in India got this news as SMS from PMOs office yesterday. It's on Modi's Twitter page as well

Need to look carefully though

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 13 May 2015 07:16

What Seymour Hersh wants to discredit?
This is from 2012:
http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/ ... _lad_2.php

Osama bin Laden was in close contact with Hafiz Saeed, the wanted chief of Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT), and helped plan the 2008 Mumbai attack, according to a report in the Hindustan Times. Citing Bruce Riedel, a former advisor to President Obama on Afghanistan and Pakistan, the Hindustan Times says that documents recovered in bin Laden’s Pakistani safe house prove the extensive relationship between al Qaeda’s deceased emir and LeT.

“The documents and files found in Abbottabad showed a close connection between Bin Laden and Saeed, right up to May 2011,” Riedel told the newspaper. Riedel added that the captured files “suggested a much larger direct al Qaeda role in the planning of the Mumbai attacks than many assumed” and bin Laden may have seen surveillance reports prepared by David Headley, the LeT operative who scouted out locations for the Mumbai siege.

The revelation of Hafiz Saeed’s ties to bin Laden led the US to offer a $10 million bounty for the LeT chieftain, according to the report. [For more on the reward, see LWJ report, US offers $10 million bounty for capture of Lashkar-e-Taiba chief Hafiz Saeed.]

So if we buy Seymour Hersh's story, we have to accept these documents are fake?

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 13 May 2015 07:34

Seymour Hersh's version is starting to sound more credible today than it did yesterday. Riedel is obviously indulging in falsehood and creating more "Al Qaeda" fantasies (many on BRF have always found this Al Qaeda nonsense to be a fabrication indulged in by the US/Pakis, and if Seymour Hersh is right, then this validates that notion). For one thing, both Hafiz Saeed and Lakhvi are on ISI's payroll, and Bin Laden is just a scapegoat to put on a face for "al qaeda" --- if Saeed had ties with "Al Qaeda" then so did the ISI, but Riedel makes up a lot of ridiculous tales about "al qaeda" instead of making the more obvious and direct connection between "al qaeda", hafiz saeed, and ISI.

So basically, the USA's GOAT/War on Terror was won with the help of the very Al qaeda terrorists that the US was supposed to fight -- if this does not make the US and its army a laughingstock worldwide, I don't know what does. One thing is for certain, everything the US says about terrorists and terrorist groups is not believable and most likely utter BS -- they have certainly proven it with their deep ties to "Al Qaeda"/ISI for the past two decades or more.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 13 May 2015 08:13

Carlotta Gall writes:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/12/magaz ... -true.html

This development is hugely important —it is the strongest indication to date that the Pakistani military knew of Bin Laden’s whereabouts and that it was complicit in hiding a man charged with international terrorism and on the United Nations sanctions list.

I cannot confirm Hersh’s bolder claims — for example, that two of Pakistan’s top generals, Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, the former army chief, and Ahmed Shuja Pasha, the director of the ISI, had advance knowledge of the raid. But I would not necessarily dismiss the claims immediately. Hersh’s scenario explains one detail that has always nagged me about the night of Bin Laden’s death.

After one of the SEALs’ Black Hawk helicopters crashed in Bin Laden’s Abbottabad compound, neighbors called the police and reported hearing both the crash and the subsequent explosions. The local police told me that they received the calls and could have been at the compound within minutes, but army commanders ordered them to stand down and leave the response to the military. Yet despite being barracked nearby, members of the Pakistani Army appear to have arrived only after the SEALs — who spent 40 minutes on the ground without encountering any soldiers — left.

Hersh’s claim that there was little or no treasure trove of evidence retrieved from Bin Laden’s home rings less true to me. But he has raised the need for more openness from the Obama administration about what was found there.

The question would be why would the Pakistanis let such evidence fall into the hands of the US?

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 13 May 2015 08:29

If we break down the cases of whether OBL possessed valuable documents or not, we can break it down a little. Anyone feel free to tear this down and set it on fire.

(A) If we posit that there was evidence in OBL's house, then the pakis could not have known about the raid in advance. However, Why would the pakis even let Bin Laden have such evidence in his house in the first place? It is not like Bin Laden was privy to the ISI's plans -- the ISI used him to create those videos of him that they released periodically. But it was very clear that he was too sick to be of any use in the day-to-day functioning of "al qaeda", so given how compartmentalized Al Qaeda was supposed to be, why would he be in possession of any documents at all?

(B) If there was nothing in OBL's house and the US army just fabricated all those claims, which is quite likely too, then it points to the following possiblities (at least):-- the fact we know is true is that he was in the vicinity of a military barrack and was there with willing collusion of the paki army/isi. Given that, we have that either:

(case a) OBL was not the nerve center of "al qaeda" as the US continues to claim he was, and this was used to justify withdrawing from Afghanisthan after he was terminated -- the pakis would have easily given him up in this case as he would have been more valuable in $$$s in death than he was alive. This justifies Hersh's version of events.

(case b) OBL as the center of this "al qaeda" in which case the Paki Army/ISI would have ensured that he was cleared of all document before they sold him out, or even better, not even shared it with him in the first place. This also justifies Hersh's version of events.

The fact the OBL completely put himself at the mercy of the paki army and the ISI by being under their protection for half a decade, says that he completely trusted the Paki army/ISI. The pakis of course had no qualms selling him out for some hard currency when OBL was past his use-by date.

It seems increasingly likely that Seymour Hersh is spelling out the truth that the GOTUS wants hidden, and the charges are so serious, that the only option left is to ridicule him and call him a joker -- straight out of Humphrey Appleby's playbook.

Hersh's claim exposes the GOTUS to the world as being a bunch of liars who were operating with terrorists in the name of fighting global terror -- this also questions the GOTUS's motivation for patriot act and its equivalent being used to spy on their own citizens, in the name of fighting terrorism.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 13 May 2015 08:30

Tuvaluan wrote:Seymour Hersh's version is starting to sound more credible today than it did yesterday. .....Riedel makes up a lot of ridiculous tales about "al qaeda" instead of making the more obvious and direct connection between "al qaeda", hafiz saeed, and ISI.

August 21, 2008 some 3 years before OBL was killed in Abbottabad.

http://atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/JH21Df02.html

As Bruce Riedel, National Security Council (NSC) senior director for South Asia in the Bill Clinton administration, who stayed on the NSC staff under the Bush administration, observed in an interview with this writer last September, al-Qaeda "was a creation of the jihadist culture of the Pakistani army".

If there was a state sponsor of al-Qaeda, Riedel said, it was the Pakistani military, acting through its Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI).

Riedel made the obvious and direct connection between the ISI and al Qaeda, and he stated this connection in September 2007. And he made the connection between al Qaeda and LeT at least in 2011.

Please at least do some Google before making such assertions.

PS: Reidel, December 8, 2008, about the Mumbai attacks:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/wor ... 95148.html

SPIEGEL: You have called the Mumbai attacks "a milestone in global Jihad." Why?

Riedel: The sophistication of the use of multiple teams of very well-trained killers, as well as the choice of targets -- Americans, Brits, Israelis -- has all the hallmarks of the global jihad to which al-Qaida and its allies like Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) have committed themselves. I think this will become a role model for terrorists around the world. You will see the copycat phenomenon where others will try to imitate what has just happened in Mumbai.

So, to recap, however painful, Riedel stated in September 2007 that the Pakistani Army via the ISI was the state sponsor of al Qaeda; and in December 2008, that al Qaeda and LeT were allies. It is after the evidence recovered from Abbottabad, now pooh-poohed by Seymour Hersh, that Riedel says not only were al Qaeda and LeT allies, but OBL was close to Hafiz Saeed, and had a hand in planning the Mumbai attacks.

And you want to disregard all this, because Seymour Hersh gives America a black eye? In any case, this "Riedel makes up a lot of ridiculous tales about "al qaeda" instead of making the more obvious and direct connection between "al qaeda", hafiz saeed, and ISI" does not stand up to five minutes of scrutiny.

PPS: continuing from the same 2008 December interview:

SPIEGEL: Did Osama bin Laden, the current godfather of global terrorism, participate in the founding of LeT?

Riedel: Back in the late 1980s, bin Laden and the Pakistani intelligence service ISI were actively involved in the war against the Soviets in Afghanistan. They wanted to apply the lessons they learned in fighting the Soviets against the Indians. They created Lashkar-e-Taiba. Osama bin Laden was engaged in supporting them by helping to raise money and by training them.
.....

SPIEGEL: How close is the connection between LeT and al-Qaida?

Riedel: LeT has sent operatives to fight with al-Qaida and with the Taliban in Afghanistan against NATO forces. It has even sent operatives to fight in Iraq. Many of the major al-Qaida figures who have been captured in Pakistan have been found in LeT safe houses.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 13 May 2015 08:48

A_Gupta wrote: Riedel made the obvious and direct connection between the ISI and al Qaeda, and he stated this connection in September 2007. And he made the connection between al Qaeda and LeT at least in 2011.

Please at least do some Google before making such assertions.

Please check out the 2014 articles that google searches yield too -- the man has changed his line since 2007, though very subtly.

Riedel made such a connection in 2008, but here is a 2014 paper that claim "Al Qaeda" is making a comeback in pakistan and afghanisthan, implying that al qaeda was all but taken out at some point. Riedel is not being consistent in connecting the ISI and al qaeda.

http://www.brookings.edu/research/opini ... tan-riedel

Riedel wrote: Al-Qaeda found a new base in Pakistan after we toppled Mullah Omar’s Afghan emirate in 2001. The highlight of this second covert war was the SEAL raid to kill Osama bin Laden in Abbottabad. More frequent have been drone missions to disrupt al-Qaeda operations in Pakistan: By one count, 340 lethal missions since President Obama took office, and more than two dozen just last year.

Perhaps someone can explain how this mysterious "al qaeda" that bruce claimed was tied to the ISI and created by it, was disrupted when OBL was killed. So what exactly is Bruce Riedel saying? That the ISI created Al Qaeda and sent it on its merry way, or that it created and funded Al qaeda and then worked with the USA for the next ten years to fight Al Qaeda?

Riedel wrote: we should expect its regeneration will be fast given the huge jihadi infrastructure in Pakistan and the ISI’s incompetence and/or collusion with the jihadists. Al-Qaeda’s Pakistani allies like Lashkar e Tayyiba, the Pakistan Taliban and others will gladly help al-Qaeda recover, especially when the danger of a drone strike is much reduced.

Basically he is saying that all of the ISI and its sponsored terrorist groups with "help al aqeda recover"...what is this hair splitting all about? He is clearly giving ISI the benefit of the doubt by claiming that it is so incompetent that it allows parts of the organization to organize, train and fund jihadist terrorist groups like Al Qaeda.

What is this help if not for providing men, training, and materials? This false dichotomy between "al qaeda" and the ISI/LeT/establishment terror groups as just their "sponsors" is what I am talking about.

Apparently, Al Qaeda is so mysterious that its No.2 has never been photographed and its No. 3 get killed on a regular basis, and it's No. 1's killing was the highlight of decade old war, but is just "sponsored" by ISI and LeT as it happens, nothing more, if we are to believe Riedel.

I don't see Riedel spell that Al Qaeda and ISI/Let are all just aliases either in his 2008 paper or now, unless I am missing something.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 13 May 2015 09:00

A_Gupta wrote: In any case, this "Riedel makes up a lot of ridiculous tales about "al qaeda" instead of making the more obvious and direct connection between "al qaeda", hafiz saeed, and ISI" does not stand up to five minutes of scrutiny.

I have explained what I mean by "direct connection", so it would be good to understand how exactly Al Qaeda is "supported from the outside" (and is now making a comeback in pakistan, apparently) by ISI and LeT as claimed in the above articles by Bruce?

Riedel (and he is doing what the GOTUS has always done) seems to just give assign this random name "Al Qaeda" to a bunch of terrorists all controlled in proxy by the ISI and takes great pains to not blame the ISI. I can understand that there may be reasons for the GOTUS to not overtly point fingers at ISI because it has other fish to fry with Pakistan to muddy the waters in this manner, but in that case it does raise questions on pretty much all claims made by the GOTUS. Unless one is a believer in the utter virtuousness of the US govt. in spelling out the truth to its citizens and its allies.

A simpler explanation maybe the GOTUS not wanting to look foolish to the whole world for getting suckered by pakistan for a decade. All of this drama seems to be some H&D face saving by both US and Pakistan in different ways.

Seymour Hersh's version does sound partly credible (and partly not credible at all given that he actually quotes Asad Durrani as a credible source), and those parts seem to explain some of the past events in hindsight.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 13 May 2015 10:33

Vipul wrote:

In response Modi wants to play cricket diplomacy with Pakistan?

Very disappointing if in fact this is true. And I have had high hopes that ModiJi will not only take on TSP, but also US machinations through Ford foundation. Not the topic of this thread, but if he caves in so meekly to TSP, I am sure if US asks him to jump, he will say how high, forget taking on Ford foundation.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 13 May 2015 10:40

friday came two days earlier...open season on shias probably.

41 killed, over 20 injured as armed men open fire at a bus in Karachi, attackers escape after the carnage
The dead included 25 men and 16 women, said Memon hospital officials where the bodies have been kept.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 13 May 2015 10:45

CRamS wrote:
Vipul wrote:

In response Modi wants to play cricket diplomacy with Pakistan?
Very disappointing if in fact this is true. And I have had high hopes that ModiJi will not only take on TSP, but also US machinations through Ford foundation. Not the topic of this thread, but if he caves in so meekly to TSP, I am sure if US asks him to jump, he will say how high, forget taking on Ford foundation.

There was a news item on TV yesterday that the black money generated by illegal betting on cricket in India is about 3 lakh crores per annum. A majority of this is controlled by dawood sitting in pukiland. No wonder the pakis are so desperate for cricket with India anywhere in the world or may be even mars. win or loose, they will mint money.

the paki deep state benefits directly from this money which is then used to used against India.

Why the eff is Modi playing cricket?? WTF is wrong with us Indians, do we all have such a highly developed death wish that we must always aid our enemies in every act of our own destruction??

Melwyn · Post by **Melwyn** » 13 May 2015 10:57

Singha wrote:friday came two days earlier...open season on shias probably.

41 killed, over 20 injured as armed men open fire at a bus in Karachi, attackers escape after the carnage
The dead included 25 men and 16 women, said Memon hospital officials where the bodies have been kept.

Poor sods can't even read the calendar.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1181698/41-kil ... arachi-bus

Picklu · Post by **Picklu** » 13 May 2015 11:41

chetak wrote:
There was a news item on TV yesterday that the black money generated by illegal betting on cricket in India is about 3 lakh crores per annum. A majority of this is controlled by dawood sitting in pukiland. No wonder the pakis are so desperate for cricket with India anywhere in the world or may be even mars. win or loose, they will mint money.

the paki deep state benefits directly from this money which is then used to used against India.

Why the eff is Modi playing cricket?? WTF is wrong with us Indians, do we all have such a highly developed death wish that we must always aid our enemies in every act of our own destruction??

Dovalji wants a test bed to fine tune another screw driver targeting the financial side of the illicit revenue sources? You can not apply before you test it out with a limited set of test cases and playing kirket is lot less harmful than allowing smuggling of drugs etc for testing purpose.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 13 May 2015 12:15

http://www.dawn.com/news/1181698/43-killed-as-gunmen-attack-bus-carrying-ismaili-passengers-in-karachi

43 believers of lesser green dispatched.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 13 May 2015 15:00

the indian shia educated middle class who spat on the tricolour, indic values of coexistence and tolerance and ran off to the new pakistan to 'grab better opportunities' and 'live among believers only' must be feeling rather let down.

well you created the demon, now live with it.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 13 May 2015 16:01

Picklu wrote:Dovalji wants a test bed to fine tune another screw driver targeting the financial side of the illicit revenue sources? You can not apply before you test it out with a limited set of test cases and playing kirket is lot less harmful than allowing smuggling of drugs etc for testing purpose.

Picklu, can you please explain exactly how a few more turns of the screw driver will happen by playing cricket? I fail to understand the full import of your post.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 13 May 2015 16:10

niran wrote:does any official GOI circular says that NaMo ordered kirkit diplomacy?
no
it is a plan announced by BCCI (a private club not GOI) Jaagmohan Dalmiya (founding funders of INC) the current BCCI chief and paki kirkit board chief got together at Calcutta and made that announcement
where does NaMo comes into this.

Didn't you read this, Modi Seeks to Improve Relations With Pakistan Via Cricket posted above by Peregrine.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 13 May 2015 16:45

Army chief arrives in Karachi on emergency visiton-emergency-visit - DAWN

Cancelling his visit to Sri Lanka, Chief of Army Staff (COAS) General Raheel Sharif arrived in Karachi on Wednesday following the attack on Ismaili community members in the city.

The army chief will be reviewing the security situation in Karachi after the terrorist attack on a bus carrying Ismailis, the Inter Services Public Relations (ISPR) said in another short statement.

A military source told DawnNews that during his visit to Karachi, Gen Raheel will comprehensively review the entire security situation, and will also receive a briefing from Corps Commander Karachi Lt Gen Naveed Mukhtar and Director General (DG) Rangers Major General Bilal Akbar.

The source added that important decisions are also expected as far as the security situation in Karachi is concerned.

In a tweet posted earlier on Twitter, Director General (DG) ISPR Asim Bajwa said that Gen Raheel on Wednesday cancelled his pre-scheduled three-day visit to Sri Lanka in light of the attack in Karachi.

Why is the badder Sharif rushing to Karachi for a regular massacre?

wilson_th · Post by **wilson_th** » 13 May 2015 17:37

Cancelling his visit to Sri Lanka, Chief of Army Staff (COAS) General Raheel Sharif arrived in Karachi on Wednesday following the attack on Ismaili community members in the city.

could be because of the importance of Karachi to the Army now.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/ ... WK20150427

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 13 May 2015 17:54

Huuum lanka visit and emergency and ganja out..........have seen this before.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 13 May 2015 18:58

http://www.oneindia.com/feature/karachi ... 45622.html

A full blown propaganda war has begun in Pakistan. Minutes after the incident in which 47 persons were killed in a bus at Karachi, the Tehrik-e-Taliban claimed responsibility for the attack. Now pamphlets attributed to the ISIS have claimed responsibility for the attack. This is a clear indication of a propaganda war being fought between the two terror outfits.

Read more at: http://www.oneindia.com/feature/karachi ... 45622.html