Army strikes terror camps in PoK

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 01 Oct 2016 08:27

Neshant wrote:should have used the helicopter gunships.

a few bursts would have cleaned things up.

if you're going to do strikes, do it well.

It has been answered on previous page :

Rudradev wrote:^So that we can look them in the eye as the bullets go in and take close-up selfies with their mutilated piggy corpses afterwards.

Imagine what a HUGE blackmail value the video footage from body-cams and drones has for GOI, with respect to a Paki army that is sooooo desperate to salvage its H&D. We did not fire from far away, we came into their house and had our way with all four wives and they could do nothing about it.

partha · Post by **partha** » 01 Oct 2016 08:29

Neshant wrote:should have used the helicopter gunships.

a few bursts would have cleaned things up.

if you're going to do strikes, do it well.

How do you know it was not used? Don't take statements from GoI ministers at face value. Some of them are deliberately misleading. We don't know anything other than the fact that surgical strikes were done.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 01 Oct 2016 08:32

Correct. A vast amt of disinfo has been sown from ministers down to denil types operating on whatsapp and fb.

Anything coukd have happened short of a nuclear attack lol

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 01 Oct 2016 08:33

In retrospect,the Paki Uri perfidy was planned well in advance along with the failed Kashmiri uprising.All meant to be trumpeted at the UN.What they did not expect was that this attack was to India the last straw and the combined counteroffensive,diplomatic and military has stunned the vermin at Paki GHQ.

They now have to lump it or like it.Any mil action on their part can expect a graduated mil response from us and despite our problems,delays in modernisation and beefing up our armed forces,we are far stronger.Moreover,thanks to ISIS and attacks in Europe and it campaign in the ME,the democratic world is fed up of states supporting terror.The isolation of Pak in the subcontinent itself must've come ss a body blow.
The Q now is where does Pak go?Its Kashmir policy has finally come a cropper and India's mil response would've stunned the pro-Paki elements in the Valley too7.Their "happy hour"is over.From now on it is the bullet and the bayonet for pro-Paki vermin.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 01 Oct 2016 08:37

Gents, beyond the immediate effects, this is what I expect will happen.

Modi/PMO will regularly monitor the status of the special units (SF, assets) & also the regular military. All the assorted fatcat IAS/IFS/MOD babus who sat on files and picked their noses when it came to guns because their IAS wagehra training focused on Gandhi, Sanghi jingoism and butter not guns will suddenly find new reasons to clear acquisitions.

Parrikar has spent some two years cleaning procurement dross & finding ways to streamline BS processes. Now with his boss also involved, the last holdouts will also do namaskaar and align to Modi & Parrikar.

DRDO head has been directly reporting progress to Modi & co for a while now. Budgets increased. I know for a fact that a Navy procurement head openly stated that after Modi came, files actually move in MOD & naval warship related decisions actually happen.

Expect this focus to maintain and build up.

IA/IAF/IN will get to bypass bureaucrats & directly keep regularly updating MAD & Parrikar about state of availability of assets & ammunition both of which are criticial for readiness to fight. Earlier only files related to nice fatcat accounts would pass.

Parrikar comes across as a man with a head for basic common sense stuff - immediately after coming in, he focused on the Su-30 availability (which was hovering at 48% and now its at the rate of 58-60% and this year HAL's proposal to take it to 70% has also been in the news). Such basic stuff is the need of the hour. Not just buying S-59x which will make us win the war at the press of a button.

Our Special Forces will get more assets & capabilities. Things like BPJs, TIs and NVGs will be procured more hastily. Private sector proposals to get faster lines underway will see more pressure even as BEL etc negotiate for unobtainium TOT down to the last percentage point and the French/Israelis etc hold out.

At the end of the day, please don't underestimate what IA has done - they have demonstrated to a very savvy, shrewd, street smart leader that they have the capability to handle one of his most problematic challenges. Pakistan. By showing their capability, they have also won credibility, which means more attention to their needs and resources.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 01 Oct 2016 08:41

LokeshC wrote:

The bolded part has a name in pop psychology: Gaslighting.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting[/quote]

Many thanks for the ref

Sociopaths and narcissists frequently use gaslighting tactics. Sociopaths consistently transgress social mores, break laws, and exploit others, but typically are also charming and convincing liars who consistently deny wrongdoing. Thus, some who have been victimized by sociopaths may doubt their perceptions.[7]

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 01 Oct 2016 08:44

I also have to laugh at the ba$tards that Pakistani and Chinese have for leadership. Yes, you killed and mutilated so many Indians, you scumbags, but in turn you have finally woken up a tiger and a people. The British colonialists spent well nigh a century defanging India, making it ahimsavadi, planting pliant peaceniks and chamchas throughout the power structure, fundamentally attempting to make India into a pliant, perpetual client state, run by their chosen clans. And here, these moron neighbours of ours, with their non stop aggression have ensured that one by one, these idiotic shibboleths have been broken and the tiger is gnawing its way out of its mental fences. Good going Pakistan, you morons. You sowed the whirlwind, now reap it.

LokeshC · Post by **LokeshC** » 01 Oct 2016 08:48

shiv wrote:
Sociopaths and narcissists frequently use gaslighting tactics. Sociopaths consistently transgress social mores, break laws, and exploit others, but typically are also charming and convincing liars who consistently deny wrongdoing. Thus, some who have been victimized by sociopaths may doubt their perceptions.[7]

And also this

Some physically abusive spouses may gaslight their partners by flatly denying that they have been violent.[4]

Bakistan (like any c*untry that is run by abhramic rooted top down philosophy) is a narcissistic culture, their behavior is very similar to an individual narcissist.

Infact they promote dictatorships and also allow narcissistic and psychopathic people to rise into power. From the britshits to the Moguls to Stalin to Mao to ...... (endless list of mass murderers)

sudarshan · Post by **sudarshan** » 01 Oct 2016 09:18

I posted this back in 2013:

The essence of turning weakness into strength is to do the unthinkable, present the opponent with a fait accompli, and then dare the opponent to do his worst.

Now that India has done the unthinkable, and the Pakis are found woefully wanting in the "do your worst" department (it's early days yet, but I'm willing to wager the Pakis have no clues and will have no clues in the months and years to come, beyond their tired old tried, tested, and found-wanting terrorism nonsense), Nepal, Sri Lanka, and Bangladesh will quietly fall in line. This has massive effects on the baboos in all of these countries, they must all be in shell shock right now. This is bigger than the 1998 blasts - that was passive aggression, this is active.

I don't think it's a coincidence that Sri Lanka and Maldives both withdrew from the SAARC summit right after this news. Picture the conversation:

India: Abbey Maldives, suna hei ki yeh SAARC summit attend kar rahe ho?

Maldives: What to do onlee saar, peace, progress, brotherhood, can't deny onlee no?

India: Abey gadhe, chup karke beith, koi summit-vummit hone vaala nehin, samjhe?

Maldives: Theek kaha saab, no summit wonlee, will cancel.

India: Tho phone rakh doon....

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 01 Oct 2016 09:29

Karan M wrote:Gents, beyond the immediate effects, this is what I expect will happen.

Modi/PMO will regularly monitor the status of the special units (SF, assets) & also the regular military. All the assorted fatcat IAS/IFS/MOD babus who sat on files and picked their noses when it came to guns because their IAS wagehra training focused on Gandhi, Sanghi jingoism and butter not guns will suddenly find new reasons to clear acquisitions.

Parrikar has spent some two years cleaning procurement dross & finding ways to streamline BS processes. Now with his boss also involved, the last holdouts will also do namaskaar and align to Modi & Parrikar.

DRDO head has been directly reporting progress to Modi & co for a while now. Budgets increased. I know for a fact that a Navy procurement head openly stated that after Modi came, files actually move in MOD & naval warship related decisions actually happen.

Expect this focus to maintain and build up.

IA/IAF/IN will get to bypass bureaucrats & directly keep regularly updating MAD & Parrikar about state of availability of assets & ammunition both of which are criticial for readiness to fight. Earlier only files related to nice fatcat accounts would pass.

Parrikar comes across as a man with a head for basic common sense stuff - immediately after coming in, he focused on the Su-30 availability (which was hovering at 48% and now its at the rate of 58-60% and this year HAL's proposal to take it to 70% has also been in the news). Such basic stuff is the need of the hour. Not just buying S-59x which will make us win the war at the press of a button.

Our Special Forces will get more assets & capabilities. Things like BPJs, TIs and NVGs will be procured more hastily. Private sector proposals to get faster lines underway will see more pressure even as BEL etc negotiate for unobtainium TOT down to the last percentage point and the French/Israelis etc hold out.

At the end of the day, please don't underestimate what IA has done - they have demonstrated to a very savvy, shrewd, street smart leader that they have the capability to handle one of his most problematic challenges. Pakistan. By showing their capability, they have also won credibility, which means more attention to their needs and resources.

To add:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city ... 475013.cms

Now, advanced maintenance of Su-30 at Indian Air Force's Ozar depot
Abhilash Botekar | TNN | Updated: Sep 23, 2016, 08.38 AM IST
(Representative photo)(Representative photo)
NASHIK: The Base Repair Depot (BRD) of the Indian Air Force (IAF) located at Ozar has started the process of setting up things in place for intense-level maintenance of the Sukhoi-30 fighter crafts that are currently being overhauled in the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) factory here.

According to a senior officer, HAL's Ozar factory handles the maintenance of the Russian fixed-winged planes and as such, the Sukhoi 30s are brought here for their overhaul wherein every single part of the plane is dismantled, repaired, replaced and then reassembled.

"HAL handles the overhauling of Su-30 and since there is higher inventory as part of routine maintenance, we have now decided to set up third and fourth line maintenance of the fighter aircraft, which means that intense overhauling will now be carried at the BRD," a senior officer from the 11 BRD at Ozar said.

The aircraft are brought for overhauling at the most twice in their lifetime after a certain period of flying hours are complete. Thereafter, every part of the plane is broken down to the last point, checked for its dimensions and quality and if required, replaced. It is then assembled again and after confirmatory testing, the aircraft is back in the skies.

With a major part of overhauling of Su-30 being handled by HAL, the BRD had first and second line maintenance, which means regular check-ups and services just as a normal vehicle has to undergo to ensure it remains fit. "The 11 BRD is a one-of-a-kind maintenance depot where the MiGs are being overhauled and even being upgraded. The IOS certified depot also works in coordination with the Centre for Military Airworthiness and Certification (CEMILAC), all of which add to its capabilities," the officer said, adding that the decision to install the maintenance set-up is actually crediting the quality and quantity of works carried out at the Air Force station. It is expected that first Su-30 will be taken in for maintenance in the period of at least one-and-half years from now.

The officer further pointed out that upgradation of MiG 29s, which have been given better fire power and also added the air-to-air refuelling system. "We are proud to announce that with CEMILAC help, our engineers have started upgrading the MiG 29s. These MiG 29Ug aircraft now get touch screen panels in cockpit, converted into bomber than just being an interceptor and add to it the additional air-to-ground missile delivery system, along with enhanced flying capacity because of increased fuel carrying capacity," the officer said.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 919425.cms

The aim is to increase this to at least 75 percent. Sources have told ET that HAL is looking to invest over Rs 2,000 crore to create a spares hub that will store and deliver all parts needed for the fleet. A long term spares agreement is likely to be signed between India and Russian shortly that will help in reducing the amount of time frontline fighters are grounded due to technical issues.

Senior officials said that as per the new agreement, the Air Force will source all its spare that will maintain an inventory of parts. As per current practice, spare parts are to be ordered separately with a lengthy process involving license, customs clearance and bank guarantees. The plan is to have a system in place that will ensure that spare parts are delivered within days of the Air Force raising a requirement.

As serviceability rises, more aircraft will be available for upgrades.

India and Russia made significant progress in the discussions for modernisation of all Su-30 fighters of the Indian Air Force (IAF) during the visit of a Russian team last month. An agreement is possible by the year-end, senior officials say.

“Discussions were held last month, and significant ground was covered. We hope to conclude the deal soon,” a top official told The Hindu.

The upgrade will give the fight jets new avionics and radar, improved stealth characteristics to reduce the radar cross-section, better electronic warfare capability and new weapons. Though the quantum of the deal is not finalised, some officials said it could be in the range of $7-8 billion.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/i ... 991493.ece

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 01 Oct 2016 09:31

Things are being put in place methodically. Pakistan ki MC-BC hogi and its 4.5 fathers wont be able to do diddly squat.

partha · Post by **partha** » 01 Oct 2016 09:54

Good discussion:

http://www.ndtv.com/video/news/ndtv-spe ... eststories

1) Ambassador G Partha can't hide his smile. After all retired experts like him who advise Govt from time to time on various policy issues but must have been frustrated all these years by Govt not heeding their suggestions about strategy shift in dealing with Pakistan. Now that it's finally happened, he is smiling.

2) Sanjay Baru rightly says Pakistan crossed the red line on 26/11/2008.

3) Barkha Dutt has softened up. What happened, hain? From telling us about headmaster father of a terrorist to showing us children of martyred Indian soldiers. Also not creating false doubts in the mind of the viewers by questioning the Govt narrative.

4) Sanjay Baru compares India-Pak situation to South Korea-North Korea. Govt needs to incorporate this into its policy and project Pakistan as another North Korea. An unstable, irrational country with nukes.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 01 Oct 2016 10:02

eerie quiet in sikular twitter accounts lately...

rajpa · Post by **rajpa** » 01 Oct 2016 10:41

Pakis are itching for a retaliation. This is the time to expect tactical brilliance from them. My expectation is that they will beef up their forces along the border and attempt bigger infiltrations knowing that SF surgical strikes will not be enough to stop that and daring IA to make a bigger move.
Tactical Brilliance©TSPA

Vivek K · Post by **Vivek K** » 01 Oct 2016 10:50

I hope false bravado does not lead TSPA to miscalculate. India has delivered a measured response after extreme restraint. If there is further provocation, it will lead to full scale hostilities. And this time again, Pakistan could be halved further.

Therefore they need to simmer and then calm down. 200 MKIs backed by other hardware can deliver an unforgettable jhapad.

It is time that Pakistan realizes that the world has changed. America is not committed as deeply in Afghanistan as in the past therefore their value is minimal. It is time to re-build their institutions and set their house in order rather than eyeing our house. They know we are more than capable of defending ourselves.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 01 Oct 2016 11:01

The last time, after loss of face with Kargil, they hijacked IC814, when that worked, worked with the Saudis, Hijacked and crashed 4 planes in the USA and then sold the US State Department and US DOD whole bunch of lies, attacked our parliament and when facing the heat, got some INC and Indian secular corporators in Gujarat to Burn a train wagon 1 day after UP elections. This then brought a bonanza for them in terms of money and H&D.

Lets see if it plays that well for them this time around.

kvraghav · Post by **kvraghav** » 01 Oct 2016 11:04

The problem for pakis this time is that all the three borders are hot. They are stretched for full deployments. The moment they deploy troops at the Indian borders, Iran reminds them with a mortar.
I think the jf 17 will never fly in a war with india if we simply deploy LCA to the border to avoid H&D loss.

Baikul · Post by **Baikul** » 01 Oct 2016 11:07

I love the title of this thread as I keep misreading it as "Army strikes terror in PoK camps"

Bheeshma · Post by **Bheeshma** » 01 Oct 2016 11:21

I wouldn't mind a showdown between our Mig-29's and their F-16 or Tejas against the blundaar. Time to finish off their paf myths and show them for the fatheechar mediocre gits they are.

nash · Post by **nash** » 01 Oct 2016 11:31

Surgical Strikes: First major use of Cartosat images for Army

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 596113.cms

Chopper, UAV, now satellite,etc . Armed forces has given a good display of their synergy between them. These kind of strike should be new norm now, pre-emptly destroy the targets before they cross border, and since it is our own land we should not wait for any permission or consultation with the occupier.

Sid · Post by **Sid** » 01 Oct 2016 11:46

nash wrote:Surgical Strikes: First major use of Cartosat images for Army

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 596113.cms

Chopper, UAV, now satellite,etc . Armed forces has given a good display of their synergy between them. These kind of strike should be new norm now, pre-emptly destroy the targets before they cross border, and since it is our own land we should not wait for any permission or consultation with the occupier.

As per publicly available info CARTOSAT 2 can take pictures in Infrared region (FIR). Maybe it was used to locate pin point coordinates based on heat map.

But do we have satellites to relay data in realtime on secure channel to command centers?

Akshay Kapoor · Post by **Akshay Kapoor** » 01 Oct 2016 12:05

Karan M wrote:
At the end of the day, please don't underestimate what IA has done - they have demonstrated to a very savvy, shrewd, street smart leader that they have the capability to handle one of his most problematic challenges. Pakistan. By showing their capability, they have also won credibility, which means more attention to their needs and resources.

Absolutely Karan, Modiji is street smart and sharp and there is a good possibility of this happening. If we can overhaul the I services - IAS, IPS, Customs & Central exercise , IRS we can truly unleash our economic and civilizational potential. This is a colonial superstructure whose orignial aim was to subjugate the natives and keep raw materials flowing to England. It is not fit for purpose now. This was my main let down with Modiji that he is not doing this. But lets see in the future.

This is a watershed event for so many reasons.

Nitesh · Post by **Nitesh** » 01 Oct 2016 12:07

What is the possibility of another major strike now? As we must be monitoring our borders, and if we see something cooking,and......

MohdKav · Post by **MohdKav** » 01 Oct 2016 12:08

prasannasimha wrote:Salman Khan's and Karan Johar;s next movie may need "treatment". This may be needed to make sure all fall in line.

I am in total agreement with Salman, who gave them visas in the first place? Who allowed them to enter the country ?

MohdKav · Post by **MohdKav** » 01 Oct 2016 12:11

saip wrote:
la.khan wrote: Bajwa saheb, this is the whitehouse.gov petition, right? This is open only to US citizens and/or US residents? Or, anybody can vote?
It does not ask your citizenship status. Just you need to have a valid email for verification. Here is the link. (392000 and counting.)

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petiti ... ism-hr6069

Why havent we declared Pakistan a terrorist state, we seem to be very eager to get US to call Pakistan a terror supporting country along with a lot of other countries? Why arent we isolating Pakistan ourselves, why are we giving them visas, why are we trading with them, why do we have ambassadorial level relationship with them? Why are we not declaring Pakistan as the scum of the earth.

Akshay Kapoor · Post by **Akshay Kapoor** » 01 Oct 2016 12:12

To those that are saying x should have been used, Y should have been used etc...this is one of the finest ops ever done by IA and possibly IAF. Gents 120 troops across multiple units hit 7 targets across the Lakshman Rekha inflicting heavy casualties and 0 Indian casualties. And as part of a political decision to do a preemtive strike ! We could not have calibrated this better. I am ecstatic.

Akshay Kapoor · Post by **Akshay Kapoor** » 01 Oct 2016 12:14

The petition is absolutely open to anyone. I and my English wife have both signed it.

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 01 Oct 2016 12:16

What this new policy means is that nothing, IWT, MFN, cross-border trade etc is sacrosanct anymore. Any and all issues will be used to pakistan if it doesn't fall in line. For all those who thought there will be "continuity in foreign policy" ,"no escalations", "respect nuclear redlines", "no alternative to talks", "need to encourage peace constituency in pak", "people-to-people contacts", "trade&business will force pak to be good" etc have had a rude awakening! All those tried and tested and failed policies will no longer be pursued and new approaches will be tried.

Thats a good thing as none of these peace overtures have had any effect on papistan, other than terrorist attacks at regular intervals. dandam dashagunam bhaveth!

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 01 Oct 2016 12:24

http://www.firstpost.com/world/its-time ... 29258.html

i do not think this suggestion is wrong. Since we have decided to test the pakis, better get prepared for the worst.

Gyan · Post by **Gyan** » 01 Oct 2016 12:34

chetak wrote:
Singha wrote:good to see politicians despite their differences coming together for once to support our nations security. they surely sensed public mood and fell in line.

Only nitishwa seems to have congratulated the Central Govt so far, may be because he has to ward off lallu ka patta.

All the other parties have very very pointed congratulated the IA only, knowing well how much of face they have lost and that is how much jalan there is against Modi. Big burnol moment for the congis, commies and all other caste based parties.

The PDP has simply shut it's pie hole like other kashmiri parties. Separatists are stunned and many trucks carrying burnol are already speeding their way to the valley.

IWT threat and surgical strikes one after the other?? too much for the bearded baboons to handle in one week.

The BJP would have even wrested the initiative away from the congis after the cauvery waters mediation debacle. The timing could not be so coincidental and it has been a very bold and calculated move to neutralize the congis in more ways than one.

pappu is done for in UP and hopefully so are the others.

It's like Modi told the congis in parliament during the MNREGA discussions, "doubt anything else, but do not doubt my political acumen"

Rahul Gandhi categorically praised Modi but that news clip is being downplayed by traitor media. Rahul said that this is the only 1 good thing Modi did in Two and half years and he fully supports it.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 01 Oct 2016 12:40

http://www.firstpost.com/india/how-nare ... 28264.html

http://www.firstpost.com/india/surgical ... 27822.html

FO sometimes posting better articles.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 01 Oct 2016 12:43

Meanwhile, back at the ranch...

Uri Brigade Commander shifted in terror attack aftermath

SRINAGAR: Army has removed the commander of Uri Brigade, which was the target of the deadly terror attack on September 18 that claimed the lives of 19 soldiers and left several others injured, defence sources said. Brigadier K Somashanker has been shifted out of the sensitive brigade, the sources said.

They said an officer from the 28 Mountain Division of the army is scheduled to take over as the Uri Brigade commander. Army officials did not respond to calls seeking comment on the development.

nash · Post by **nash** » 01 Oct 2016 12:44

http://www.business-standard.com/articl ... 160_1.html

Democracy has not been tailored to Pakistani environment: Pervez Musharraf

This may be the alarm bell for shareef.

deejay · Post by **deejay** » 01 Oct 2016 13:01

nash wrote:...

Democracy has not been tailored to Pakistani environment: Pervez Musharraf

...

So its Democracy's fault now. I mean wouldn't any sane idea know that it has to tailor itself to Pakistan's requirement?

Pakistan is a victim of Democracy and all Democratic countries of the world must help Pakistan because of this.

Gyan · Post by **Gyan** » 01 Oct 2016 13:28

Modi message to Gunda:-

bole Ram sakop tab, "bhay bin hoye na preet ?"

Gyan · Post by **Gyan** » 01 Oct 2016 13:30

Modi message to Gunda:-

bole Ram sakop tab, "bhay bin hoye na preet ?"

JayS · Post by **JayS** » 01 Oct 2016 13:33

From teeter - New more clear video. Looks like Hafiz pig safe in his rat hole:

https://youtu.be/qKRS2HFPf0c

Some other chatter from Twitter:

https://t.co/9gXzek4MbJ

Aaj Tak Video from 21st Sept. Indicating may be Pakis had exact intel on the "Surgical Strike". Watch from 1:00 onwards.

JayS · Post by **JayS** » 01 Oct 2016 13:37

I heard from someone that HAL had an emergency meeting yesterday and all were told to work in shifts for coming 2-3 months - both the divisions handling European origin Jets and the Russian origin jets. Take it FWIW.

May be they are trying to boost availability in short term.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 01 Oct 2016 13:45

night of Sept21, F-solahs on afterburner over islamabad, releasing flares

JayS · Post by **JayS** » 01 Oct 2016 13:48

deejay wrote:
nash wrote:...

Democracy has not been tailored to Pakistani environment: Pervez Musharraf

...
So its Democracy's fault now. I mean wouldn't any sane idea know that it has to tailor itself to Pakistan's requirement?

Pakistan is a victim of Democracy and all Democratic countries of the world must help Pakistan because of this.

Saar, democracy is not tailored for Islam itself. No sane idea works well with the feudal insanity.