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SRajesh wrote: ↑24 May 2025 13:59 Is there any truth to these Youtube reports of:
1. China's Covid death runs into few hundred million
2. Actual population is around 800 million
3. Streets and Malls are empty in most cities
4. Factories are shutting down
And if these are true can they field a big army in case of conflict??
Just like their Mizzilies their Army numbers are also Dud and they fold up if Unkil gives a good rap!!

There are reports of Covid in kerala state as well ..

bala wrote: ↑08 Jun 2025 10:29 Don't know how true this news, but this is stunning news - Xi jinping is under house arrest.

Sumit Peer and Sree Iyer are reporting: Apparently Belarus chief had to meet Xi at his house. Xi has been missing for 15 days now.
...

How is Xi gonna meet DJT then? Probably a Chinese agent in MI like mask. Some SS guy will be in Trump mask.

Vayutuvan wrote: ↑08 Jun 2025 22:18 How is Xi gonna meet DJT then?

Watch this for more inner detail on what is going with Emperor and CMC. Hu Jin Tao the previous guy before Emperor is playing some chess moves. The most trusted person of Emperor has thrown the emperor under the bus and wants him removed. There are 7 key people in top leadership of CCP. 3 were removed by Emperor. One of his trusted guys is in the 4 left and this person (a vice chairman) has no trust for Emperor's leadership. Emperor has decimated the top PLA honchos one by one. PLA is mighty pissed with the Emperor and they are baying for his blood. DJT is going to meet a weak Emperor and DJT is hoping that Emperor caves in to US/his demands.

watch this: youtube.com/watch?v=LjDWMXpT5_U

Xi's disappearance happens regularly. I do not read anything into it at all, even if it were true.

I have been following India - China relations over the past decade but never in any depth to master the nuances.

From my surface level perspective it seems to me that never - in recent memory at least- has Beijing come out so openly, blatantly and aggressively in support of Pakistan as in the last skirmish with our western neighbours.

Is it fair to say that Beijing, who was perhaps earlier thought of as a serious rival and threat, should now be viewed as an openly hostile neighbour, if not an outright enemy?

In the aftermath of the Pahalgam crisis can we say that the Chinese, who were always pro Pakistani, have now made a clear, decisive and strategic ‘upstep’ that means that China will be more aggressive, open and blunt in supporting any Pakistani misadventure?

I’m hoping for a more nuanced discussion than “we were always enemies, saar”.

"The international hit, Ne Zha, tells the story of a young boy destined to destroy the world. He must fight to choose between good and evil in order to break the shackles of fate and become the hero he desperately wants to be."

We hardly discuss chinese cultural stuff here.. but have to say there are incredible connections to Hindu lore.

Who is hindu mythology would be Nezha

Dr Sriparna Pathak wrote on Trump visa bans

Brain drain or Global Gain?

https://archive.is/2025.06.20-095806/ht ... 00283.html

SSridhar wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 22:33 Xi's disappearance happens regularly. I do not read anything into it at all, even if it were true.

However the news of the churn is interesting.

All is not well in Beijing.

We are seeing glimpses of inner tussle.
It behoves us to analyze. We maybe wrong but the process helps sharpen the mind.

Baikul wrote: ↑11 Jun 2025 09:49 I have been following India - China relations over the past decade but never in any depth to master the nuances.

From my surface level perspective it seems to me that never - in recent memory at least- has Beijing come out so openly, blatantly and aggressively in support of Pakistan as in the last skirmish with our western neighbours.

Is it fair to say that Beijing, who was perhaps earlier thought of as a serious rival and threat, should now be viewed as an openly hostile neighbour, if not an outright enemy?

In the aftermath of the Pahalgam crisis can we say that the Chinese, who were always pro Pakistani, have now made a clear, decisive and strategic ‘upstep’ that means that China will be more aggressive, open and blunt in supporting any Pakistani misadventure?

I’m hoping for a more nuanced discussion than “we were always enemies, saar”.

This support is a fallout of the inner tussle going on in Beijing after the withdrawal from occupied patrol points along LAC.
The faction that supports the Pakistan card became prominent.
However the abject performance of Chinese weapons in Operation Sindoor have struck a blow to this group. The defeat is not just that of Pakistan but of Chinese PLA and the so-called hardliners too.
As usual it takes a while to figure out the effect as China withdraws into a shell in such times.

Baikul wrote: ↑11 Jun 2025 09:49Is it fair to say that Beijing, who was perhaps earlier thought of as a serious rival and threat, should now be viewed as an openly hostile neighbour, if not an outright enemy?

In the aftermath of the Pahalgam crisis can we say that the Chinese, who were always pro Pakistani, have now made a clear, decisive and strategic ‘upstep’ that means that China will be more aggressive, open and blunt in supporting any Pakistani misadventure?

Baikul, IMHO, the biggest reason is that China is still unsure if it is even the sole 'regional hegemon'.

This feeling of insecurity feeds into all its actions. Of course, "we have always been enemies" is a correct statement. After all, how else can we describe a country which gave nukes & missiles to our enemy with the sole purpose of bottling us up?

But, XJP may now be pressed for time because his fourth term may not be a guarantee for him anymore as the social contract which he entered with his people of making China a 'wealthy nation' is running into a very hard time. You never know what will happen by the time the 21st National Congress of the CPC meets in late 2027.

Now, XJP may be planning an invasion of Taiwan in 2026-2027 timeframe. He is unsure if India would remain neutral or join with other QUAD partners in military operations. Neither in Doka La nor in Ladakh PLA performed well.

He probably never expected India to dramatically escalate in the 4-day war. China has traditionally thought of Indian leaders as 'having no stomach' when it comes to the crunch, even though Uri, Doka La, Balakot, and Ladakh had shown increasing Indian belligerence and determination.

China probes through TSP and wanted to see how new Indian military structures/reorgs are working. When things really went out of control, China got alarmed. All its h/w failed miserably and the only thing that worked was the satellite imagery it provided to TSP. TSP will now demand more strategic platforms from China and it will have to oblige too. China used to instigate TSP to keep us blocked economically, but now it may be planning to bypass us militarily in its goal for 'regional hegemony' by gas-lighting one more war (after Ukr, West Asia etc) between us & TSP at an appropriate time.

After this abject defeat, Pakistan now has an upper hand in the TSP-China equation because as usual TSP has the trigger at its own temple.

Li Keqiang, China’s former Premier who said that China’s official economic numbers were “for reference only”. This is the man who managed China’s economy but didn’t trust the GDP stats of his own government that was officially published. He died under mysterious circumstances in 2023. Li Keqiang used his own Index which used electricity consumption, rail freight volume, and actual loan data instead of the official Chinese GDP number.

Ken Cao exposes this episode in China.

Premier Li Exposed China’s Fake GDP — Now He’s Dead

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kq2t8GU6YlQ

China has completely stopped exporting specialty fertilisers to India. This has been happening for the past two months, even though there is no official announcement or formal ban from Chinese authorities .... Between June and December every year, India imports around 150,000 to 160,000 tonnes of these speciality fertilisers. These are essential for growing better crops during this time, especially in key farming states.

Although China is still exporting to other countries, shipments to India have been stopped. This is being done using unofficial methods. Reports say Chinese customs authorities are not clearing Indian shipments. Instead of banning them openly, they are using inspections and procedural delays to block the exports.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/compani ... 53aa&ei=12

A complete slap to the face of Emperor and China on the succession plan of the next Dalai Lama of Tibet.

On July 02, Dalai Lama announced that Gaden Phodrang trust has sole authority to recognise future reincarnation. This ended the years of waiting by followers of Tibetan Buddhist spiritual leader for details about his succession. While speaking at 15th Tibetan Religious Conference, Dalai Lama said “no one else has any such authority to interfere” regarding future reincarnation.The 3rd day conference comes ahead of the Dalai Lama’s 90th birthday on July 6. He had said on June 30 that there will be a “framework” to discuss his succession ahead of his birthday. Dalai Lama’s statement on July 02, expected to irk China, which views him as a separatist. The Dalai Lama, fled Tibet in 1959 after a failed uprising against Chinese rule.

Gaden Phodrang Trust has sole authority to recognise future reincarnation: Dalai Lama

SSridhar wrote: ↑24 Jun 2025 12:20

Baikul wrote: ↑11 Jun 2025 09:49Is it fair to say that Beijing, who was perhaps earlier thought of as a serious rival and threat, should now be viewed as an openly hostile neighbour, if not an outright enemy?

In the aftermath of the Pahalgam crisis can we say that the Chinese, who were always pro Pakistani, have now made a clear, decisive and strategic ‘upstep’ that means that China will be more aggressive, open and blunt in supporting any Pakistani misadventure?

Baikul, IMHO, the biggest reason is that China is still unsure if it is even the sole 'regional hegemon'.

This feeling of insecurity feeds into all it’s actions….

Below is a statement made by the deputy COAS that makes me think we are at war with China right now.

[youtube]https://youtu.be/5nmPXdvwaqI?si=YmS4SYCEpoF7Su8y[/youtube]

Summary: The general says that we had one border and three adversaries in Operation Sindoor. Pakistan, China and Turkey.

China, regards an India Pakistan fight as a ‘live lab” for its weapons.

But for me the main point was that Pakistan was getting live inputs from China on Indian activities in a time of war..

If that isn’t straightforward enemy action then I don’t know what is.

India's Arunachal Pradesh Chief Minister, Pema Khandu, states that the state shares 1,200km border with Tibet, not directly with China. China claims Arunachal Pradesh as part of southern Tibet, referring to it as "Zangnan". India rejects China's claims and maintains that Arunachal Pradesh is an integral and inalienable part of India. The US also recognizes Arunachal Pradesh as Indian territory.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cit ... 349025.cms

// Looks like a slow salvo of Tibet is being drummed into China, first with Dalai Lama asserting that the next Lama will be chosen by an appointed Trust and not China. Then Modi attending Dalai Lama birthday. Now India's Arunachal Pradesh Chief Minister, Pema Khandu claiming border with Tibet and not China.

The C919 is essentially Airbus A320 aircraft, another copy/paste operation conducted by China, when Airbus sold A320 in 2000 to them. The Airbus A320 was dismantled and each part copied/replicated by the Chinese. The French have been investigating C919, Alain Juillet, french directorate-general for External Security, Patrick Devault economic intelligence at Airbus and Isabelle Feng, a french researcher have damning evidence of copying. An A320 sold to China disappeared for awhile and reappeared in a village area to make it a restaurant! All parameters of A320 are identical in C919. Engine, avionics, flight control, hydraulics, landing gear and other critical parts are supplied by US and Europe for C919. A certification roadmap was stolen by the Chinese to get their aircraft certified. Now it is upto the suppliers in US/Europe to stop the C919 aircraft proceeding further.

watch for more details: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=795yJ9ik4Ug

This is a huge turn of events after Operation Sindoor disaster for China. EAM Jaisankar meets with Emperor Eleven in China.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 482260.cms

Finally the Chinese are writing about the impact of transfer of manufacturing to India from China. This is their perspective and effects are going to devastate the Chinese economy.

Chinese think tanks report on the effects of strong Indian manufacturing sector on Chinese economy & employment.

https://x.com/chatt16887/status/1945092209813991859

15.6% reduction in GDP and 16.8% decrease in workforce. They are worried about both low end and high end manufacturing sectors. India already has >50% of global competency centers of the world. Many of them are involved in fine-tuning global MNCs products and the next generation products. AI/Automation/robotics are going to be par for the course in advanced manufacturing. Semiconductor manufacturing is being worked upon in India, global MNCs in semiconductor have worldwide Indian origin people at the helm of semiconductor manufacture. Global industrial chain suppy is ready to put its roots in India and rearing to go full steam.

I found a reference to a book published by Institute of China studies in 2018.

https://icsin.org/publications/mountain ... ndian-army

he book predicts about the most likely next theaters of war for India which are its northern and north-western mountain frontiers. These disputed borders with china, and the perpetually tense 'NO WAR ON PEACE' and simmering low intensity perpetual war situation with Pakistan along the line of control (LOC) and the so-called Actual Ground Position Line (AGPL), are physically held on to by India at great cost in men and material. A constant heavy military deployment on these mountain borders has become the norm for India.

It came true two years later at Galwan and another two years later at Yangtse.

Tis hard to find any YT on China collapse but here is one that talks about the possibility of China breaking apart into multiple independent states — just like the Soviet Union did in 1991. From East Turkestan to Tibet, and Shanghai to Manchuria, 10 regions that could declare independence or become self-governing in a post-China world. Based on geography, history, and internal divisions, here’s what China’s new map might look like.

If China collapses, these 10 States will emerge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJKLQc0NvWM

// this would be good for the world. Tibet free from the clutches of China is a good thing for India.

bala wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 08:01. . .From East Turkestan to Tibet, and Shanghai to Manchuria, 10 regions that could declare independence or become self-governing in a post-China world.

Remember what we produced: The new map of borders and areas around China on the eve of PM Li Qiang's visit to India for G-20.

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/India/ch ... ngNewsVerp

China has officially begun construction on a USD 167.8 billion dam on the Brahmaputra River in Tibet, near the Indian border in Arunachal Pradesh.

Chinese Premier Li Qiang announced the launch during a groundbreaking ceremony held at the lower reaches of the river, known locally as the Yarlung Zangbo in Nyingchi City, according to official reports.

According to official Chinese media, the ambitious project will include five cascade hydropower stations, with a total estimated investment of 1.2 trillion yuan (approximately USD 167.8 billion).


Once completed, the stations are expected to generate more than 300 billion kilowatt-hours of electricity annually, reportedly enough to power over 300 million people, making it the largest such effort on the planet, even surpassing China’s Three Gorges Dam.
The dam is set to be built in a massive gorge in the Himalayas, where the Brahmaputra River, known locally as Yarlung Zangbo, makes a dramatic U-turn before flowing into Arunachal Pradesh and then onward to Bangladesh.

Parking this YT here to provide the scale of investments of China. Their top 10 projects which have spent $ 20 T has not exactly provided a return on investment and are actually a huge debt albatross on the Govt. Hydroelectric projects are many in the top 10 and now China is wanting to tame the brahmaputra river in highly sensitive region which is earthquake prone.

Currently China airports and high speed railway are running close to empty since people don't have the wherewithal for regular usage of such systems. There is a huge project to connect mainland China with Lhasa which is costing 330 B RMB. Many high rise buildings and grand hotels are near empty. Shanghai/Beijing has seen a massive reduction in small business, eateries, shops, mall traffic, tall gleaming buildings empty. Many projects, often costing hundreds of billions or even trillions, end up yielding minimal returns once operational and even become heavy financial burdens for local governments. The latest data shows that in 2024, China’s total fixed asset investment (excluding farmers) reached 51.4 trillion RMB, a 3.2% increase from the previous year. Among this, infrastructure investment grew by 4.4%, excluding fields like electricity, gas, and water.

China’s 10 Biggest Failures: 20 Trillion Spent on Half-Finished Mega-Projects, Nothing Left
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXrNPSIBD4A

Shaksgam valley is part of original J&K a region technically under India. However due to invasions by Pak and China some parts have been usurped by them. After the rebels took over northern J&K gilgit baltistan areas, Pak has illegal possesion of J&K (with the UN voting to having Pak to withdraw from the area). In 62 war with China due to Neverwho India lost Aksai Chin (a barren place according to Neverwho). Aksai Chin currently has an important road connecting Tibet with Xingiang, built by the Chinese. Shaksgam valley is where K2 mountain (the 2nd tallest after Everest Mtn) exists and is home to glaciers that hold huge water resources. In fact it is called the 3rd pole in the world after north and south pole. Shaksgam valley originally under occupation by the Paks was given to China illegally in 1963. So effectively Pak illegally occupies Indian land and illegally gives it to China. China is now in possession by such double illegality occupying Shaksgam valley.

There is old map showing the region of Sinkiang/Xinjiang with a border between India on the Raskem Daria river. K2 mountain then called Godwin Austen is south of the river. Shaksgam valley is between Aghill range mountains and Karakoram range mountains. Shaksgam valley is filled with very tall moutains more than 7500 m. The Junction of Karakoram range and Kun lun range is where the Karakoram pass exists. China is trying to build a road in Aghill range. PLA is firmly parked in Shaksgam valley, their presence is small but there.

India holds Siachen glacier and also India has control over Bila Fond La and Sia La glaciers. India can go upto to Indira Col. Lt Gen P R Shankar believes that IA can take out Indira Col and go on to take out Shaksgam from the Chinese by planning a quick IA offensive. Currently the logistics tail for PLA positions in these areas is mighty slim and reinforcement requires acclimatization in frigid cold conditions of high mountain ranges. The Indian Army is used to occupying Siachen glacier and have a good logistics trail. BTW artillery shells don't work and neither do missiles, the snow is very deep and the shells/missiles will bury themselves into the snow pack. India having control of Shaksgam is highly crucial since all the CPEC activity is based on china control of northern J&K territory.

Lt Gen P R Shankar (R) in Gunners Shot explains: (this is 1 yr old YT)

Shaksgam Valley & Chinese Roads

https://europeanconservative.com/articl ... ian-ocean/

Chinese fishing trawlers that serve as extensions of Beijing’s maritime intelligence operations. Ostensibly commercial, these ships are integral to China’s “maritime militia.” They are outfitted with sophisticated sensors, satellite communications, and small arms, posing as deep-sea fishermen while gathering sensitive information. Their increasing presence across the Indian Ocean, Arabian Sea, Bay of Bengal, and beyond has caused two interconnected issues: damaging the livelihoods of local fishermen and supplying critical intelligence to the People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN). This was particularly apparent during India’s military operation Sindoor, targeting terrorist infrastructure in Pakistan in May 2025, when seemingly benign fishing vessels trailed India’s navy, transmitting movements to both China and Pakistan.

According to the London-based think tank Overseas Development Institute (ODI), China’s distant-water trawler fleet is estimated to number around 17,000 vessels worldwide. Their purpose is not merely to pursue squid or tuna. A report by Andrew S. Erickson, Professor of Strategy at the China Maritime Studies Institute, U.S. Naval War College, indicates that a significant portion of these vessels are part of the People’s Armed Forces Maritime Militia (PAFMM), a state-sponsored entity that bolsters the PLAN and Coast Guard under the guise of civilian cover.

These ships are equipped with automatic identification system (AIS) transponders, satellite communication equipment, and high-intensity LED lights for nocturnal fishing, which is frequently done utilizing purse seines and gill nets. Some are armed with non-lethal devices such as water cannons or lasers—tools that are effective for ‘grey-zone’ harassment rather than legitimate fishing.

Some specialized naval-design vessels are constructed for dual purposes: they can be used for mining or surveying and later converted into trawlers. This dual functionality allows for plausible deniability while at sea because they appear to be fishing. However, under command, they engage in surveillance. This hybrid model, known as the maritime militia, obscures the lines between civilian and military functions, facilitating surveillance activities that remain below the threshold of armed conflict and evade direct association with the Chinese military.

Chinese trawlers are frequently observed operating in illegal, unregulated, or unreported (IUU) fishing zones. Yet, their operations extend beyond merely depleting fish populations. In the Arabian Sea and the Bay of Bengal, numerous AIS blackouts are present, suspiciously coinciding with regional naval drills. This situation has raised concerns. In 2023 alone, nearly 470 Chinese fishing vessels were documented near India’s western Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ), with many disabling their tracking systems for extended periods.

As reported by Reuters, during Operation Sindoor in May 2025, drone surveillance revealed that 224 Chinese fishing vessels were moving in coordinated formations within approximately 120 nautical miles of Indian naval exercises. These fleets are believed to function as passive listening posts, relaying information to the People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) via Pakistan. According to First Post, the Chinese vessel Da Yang Yi Hao and other naval ships played a crucial role in ‘tactical reconnaissance and electromagnetic mapping’ during the week of the operation.

Two Chinese ships were spotted masquerading as “fisheries research” vessels in the Arabian Sea during India’s AMAN 25 naval exercises near Pakistan. Analysts specializing in open-source intelligence, such as Damien Symon, noted that these vessels had deactivated their AIS trackers and were likely outfitted with remotely operated vehicles (ROVs) and underwater drones—tools frequently employed for discreet seabed mapping and surveillance.

Furthermore, an analysis by Windward’s Maritime AI system revealed a staggering 145% increase from 2023, with 430 “high-risk” fishing vessels entering the Indian Ocean for the first time in early 2025. Predominantly, these vessels are Chinese and exhibit AIS blackout behavior linked to illegal, unreported, and unregulated (IUU) fishing, forced labor, and strategic mapping activities.

Utilizing trawlers as instruments of military influence provides China with several strategic advantages. First, there is plausible deniability: civilian vessels attract less scrutiny than naval ships. Second, it offers cost-effective surveillance, as the Chinese government can avoid the high expenses associated with satellites or submarines by deploying inexpensive steel-hull trawlers. Third, these civilian vessels can maintain a persistent presence in foreign waters under legal pretenses, thereby extending China’s influence without the need for formal bases. And last, they can facilitate battlefield mapping, signal triangulation, and electronic surveillance from modified fishing hulls. This approach, particularly evident in the South China Sea, is referred to as the “cabbage strategy”—encircling contested areas with layers of militia, coast guard, and fishing boats to assert dominance without engaging in direct conflict. In the Indian Ocean, this tactic unfolds in a more nuanced manner, yet it is equally impactful.

In Baluchistan, local fishermen claim they face harassment and sabotage from Chinese fleets operating near Gwadar Port, where they are frequently under the protection of the Pakistani Navy. These industrial fleets have inundated Pakistani fish markets with low-cost catches, undermining local fishermen and leading to the near-total collapse of artisanal fisheries along the Makran coast. From Indonesia to South Africa, similar narratives are prevalent: Chinese trawlers arrive, fish aggressively (often without the necessary permits), and leave behind ecological destruction and joblessness.

Countries like India and Indonesia frequently detain these vessels, but release them due to diplomatic pressures. Meanwhile, China takes advantage of its influence within the International Maritime Organization (IMO) and the Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) to weaken enforcement measures. While nations such as the U.S. and Japan have issued warnings regarding PAFMM activities, European countries have largely chosen to remain silent.

Europe’s silence represents a form of strategic self-sabotage. As a significant trading bloc reliant on the stability of the Indo-Pacific, the EU must take decisive action. First, it should enhance surveillance: collaborate with allies such as India and Australia to merge satellite and AIS data for monitoring suspicious fishing activities. Second, it is crucial to address legal loopholes: push for stricter enforcement of VMS (vessel monitoring systems), ensure AIS transparency, and impose penalties on IUU vessels through the IMO. Third, support coastal economies: leverage the European Maritime Fisheries Fund (EMFF) to offer assistance and protection to areas ravaged by industrial overfishing. Fourth, unveil covert fleets: utilize diplomatic venues like the G7 and the Indo-Pacific Ministerial Forum to publicly call out Beijing’s dual-use maritime tactics. Finally, bolster naval cooperation: increase EU naval patrols in critical chokepoints (such as the Gulf of Aden and the Mozambique Channel) to oversee and intercept grey-zone vessels.

China’s maritime strategy has evolved beyond just destroyers and submarines. For Europe, the implication is unmistakable: the next crisis in Indo-Pacific security may not be initiated by missiles, but rather by fishing nets.

This is in response to Gautam's article:

g.sarkar wrote: ↑02 Aug 2025 08:50 https://www.rediff.com/news/column/the- ... 250731.htm
The Leverage Trump's US Has On Xi's China Has Shrunk
AAKAR PATEL, July 31, 2025

People keep bringing up the China example for exports and don't have a clue about how China dominates in these sectors. We have to understand how manufacturing came into China. Initially, the US deep state minions were promised a land of golden opportunities within China due to Nixon-Kissinger/Mao opening. BTW the initial opening was orchestrated in Poland in 1968 and Nixon/K just used Pak as a doormat country on its way to China. With Deng XiaoPing's famous line "cat black/white can catch a mouse" blah.. the Chinese went about luring the US into China. The lure was free land, free electricity, free sewage, free pretty much everything including their village labor pool, the only thing they needed was to dismantle the factory and relocate (free for dismantle and shipping charges paid by china) to china. These things are possible in Communist China. The Chinese always believed in making things more than required say 160%. So the sites were huge since land is free (usurped). The labor pool was trained from villages and everything proceeded well since Deep State was getting labor at very cheap rates. In parallel the Chinese govt built another factory with prison labor and CCP hosted spys. They would be hired into Deep State factory and over time copy say some component that is used in the product. The Chinese would make the component in their factory like buttons, zippers, leather hides and so on. This was supplied to the original US factory which the Deep state had at lower costs. All great and everyone happy.

Eventually the Chinese copied components from every US factory/European factory that relocated to China. After years of operation, the textile factory that moved over to china was bought out by China and consolidated with their component making factory into one huge complex. Companies like clothes manufacturers would come into these mammoth factories to create their line of goods with components supplied by China. Take a shoe it probably costs $5 to make all told. The labor is 20cents. The leather and other material are all supplied by China, maybe the sole of the shoe is controlled by say Nike which costs $2. China's total contributions is $3-4 only. Nike takes the $5 shoe and imports to the US at $10 landed cost. China initially chalked up $10 as export. Nike of course sells the shoe at $50 in the US. China also had a nike like shoe under their brand which they sold to their own folks and others in the world.

Oh that overcapacity which was the norm was released into the world due to WTO a gift of B. Clinton and formalized by G. W. Bush in 2000. Any reasonable price for over overcapacity items was good enough. The world gobbled up cheap well made stuff from China. China further increased the capacity of the factory due to worldwide demand. Due to massive raw input needs China imported stuff from all over the world. They went beserk with the capacity side of things, since that brought costs down to rock bottom when scale increases. China ended up being #1 in most such capacity items. Things like steel and cement were pumped up into the building boom across the nation.

The amount of money printed by China (after learning this from the US) was not $10 but close to 3x or 4x the value. This printed money was used to build up their infrastructure like crazy, everyone was employed. Inflation was kept within bounds since it is CCP controlled. GDP was roaring with visible change one saw in China backing it up. Li Keqiang, China’s former Premier who said that China’s official economic numbers were “for reference only”. This is the man who managed China’s economy but didn’t trust the GDP stats of his own government that was published. He died under mysterious circumstances in 2023. Li Keqiang used his own Index which used electricity consumption, rail freight volume, and actual loan data instead of the official Chinese GDP number (watch: youtube.com/watch?v=kq2t8GU6YlQ )

Where is china today? The export market has been halted by the US with tariffs. With consuming market closed, production is an useless activity. Real estate market which is 30% of their GDP has crashed massively, empty buildings everywhere. China is not for 80% of their population, which is treated as dirt by CCP. Li Keqiang has said the per capita of 80% of China's take home pay is rather very low, barely above poverty levels. All CCP bigwig families have 100s of T of yuans and a good fraction live in places like Singapore, Canada, US, UK, Australia and so on. The sudden deflation faced in china is so huge that one day things will crack (actually in china language media, terms like "deflation" are being discussed nowadays). US Tariffs are going to be huge on China and with trade deal with EU and US settled, the going is tough for China. You have to look at the consumption picture besides production. China's internal consumption rate is sliding downwards. The only other place that have consumption are the US, Euro and India. If your produced goods are blocked into consumption centers then you are effectively screwed. The other whammy that china faces is over capacity factories have to be shut down, this is a double loss for them. Will China survive this and manage to make it, that is very doubtful considering its size, bigger things are the bigger the downfall. At the same time India is rising and its manufacturing rate is going up. India is also into high tech GCCs for most MNCs and 1 in 5 people in semiconductors is Indian in the world.

The China-Pakistan treaty of 1963 that caused the transfer of the Shaksgam valley has an interesting clause. The boundary arrangement was for the area west of the karakoram pass (which has nothing to do with the karakoram highway). Karakoram pass is the single undisputed boundary point from the Chinese side.

The treaty was provisional, pending final settlement of the status of J&K.

Possession of the saltoro ridge and siachen glacier in fact puts the entire treaty in question as Pakistan lacks control of the area. Shaksgam was never gifted in the legal sense, just a preemptive settlement of the boundary pending a final resolution and legally it's still not in force.

Territory is mostly about undisputed possession, so 200 years from now, Siachen will be seen as a strategic masterstroke.

bala wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 08:27 // Looks like a slow salvo of Tibet is being drummed into China, first with Dalai Lama asserting that the next Lama will be chosen by an appointed Trust and not China. Then Modi attending Dalai Lama birthday. Now India's Arunachal Pradesh Chief Minister, Pema Khandu claiming border with Tibet and not China.

There is a CCP Melt down due to India playing the Tibet Card. One question for CCP honchos - you don't believe in religions or "God" why bother about appointing a successor to the Dalai Lama, you don't care about such things. For a long time and even now you consider Tibet and Xinjiang as barbarians, not cultured like the uber Han clan of China. Unless you are trying to convert them to CCP which they resist, they don't want you in Tibet or Xinjiang. Just leave them as barbarians to follow their own religion and "God" Buddha it is and give them their land back, will you, cultured Han? Be Hans-OFF, thank you.

India's Tibet Card - CCP In Melt Down
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao-Uw-K9uWY

The Doklam area is well know to many where China and India had a tussle sometime ago in 2017. China again is disputing this territory with Bhutan and India rescued this area for Bhutan. Now India has built a road near Doklam in Bhutan to improve mobility, and the road connects to Haa Valley. This would enable connectivity for Bhutan's Army and Indian Army. This road will be important not only for the locals in Bhutan but for India it will be a strategic edge over China as it will enable forces with quick mobility if required.



Aadi Aachint in YT discusses the road and its strategic importance.
India's New Road in Bhutan, The Strategic Move That Blocks China's Himalayan Expansion I Aadi


// Strictly my opinion: India needs to fold in Nepal and Bhutan as part of India. Sometime ago Nepal was willing to be part of India but our great hero Neverwho spurned the offer. Many of China's intrusion into Indian territory is due to their annexation of Tibet in 1950s. This disastrous takeover presided by Neverwho once again is why India and China are at perpetual odds with one another. I don't know why the Hans are so keen on gobbling up territory after territory like a pacman (an old video game). The PLA average recruit is loathed to fight and spends their time on ipads playing video games or other youthful distractions. They are not soldiers in the traditional sense and being 1 child wonders are the darlings of their parents. India needs to implement a plan to push out these conscripts from Tibet.

https://fortune.com/2025/08/14/data-cen ... structure/

Interesting article on electricity generation in China. The quote about one province equaling entire Indian output is impressive.

https://archive.is/oIWGI

China’s leaders now believe they can broker a trade deal with Trump to reduce tensions. They are eager to host a summit between Trump and Chinese leader Xi Jinping this fall to establish a more positive tone for the relationship between Washington and Beijing. The newfound optimism does not mean that Beijing thinks it has found a permanent solution to U.S.-Chinese relations, however; the overwhelming feeling in elite circles in China remains that the two countries are entangled in long-term strategic competition. But China’s leaders want to use their trade leverage to craft a deal that will buy them time to mitigate their political and security vulnerabilities. In dealing with a second Trump administration, China’s leaders believe they may have found an opportunity to achieve their goals without a war with the United States.


But then the situation took an interesting turn. Many observers believed that China had taken a major risk by pushing back on Trump and that China’s economy would not be able to withstand a trade war. But once reciprocal tariffs were in place, Beijing was surprised to see that it was Washington that was more eager to de-escalate trade tensions. The United States and China signed an agreement in Geneva on May 12 to reduce tariff rates, and Trump and Xi had a follow-up phone call on June 5. Although the agreement did not eliminate tariffs, the first round of trade escalation was over. China’s leaders felt, to their surprise, that they were in a very strong position on trade with the United States.

Many policymakers in Beijing concluded from the events in April and May that the United States’ ability to tolerate a trade shock is weaker than China’s, which made Washington desperate to find a solution. As Adam Posen has argued in Foreign Affairs, the “supply shock” that the United States faces from higher tariffs is more difficult to absorb than the “demand shock” on China. This is not only because U.S. consumers immediately feel a supply shortage but also because China’s political system makes it easier for Beijing to manipulate domestic public opinion and limit blowback. Chinese leaders were pleased to discover that Trump changed his tune when tariffs affected the stock market, the bond market, the retail industry, and consumers. The U.S. reaction to Trump’s tariffs revealed to Beijing new pressure points that China could potentially exploit.


China’s leaders also learned how dependent the United States is on rare-earth elements and magnets, the supply of which is almost entirely in Beijing’s hands. China halted exports of key rare earths on April 4, which threatened the ability of the United States to procure the metals it needs to manufacture cars, airplanes, and other products. At the May meeting in Geneva, China agreed to remove the restrictions on rare-earth exports it had imposed in response to “Liberation Day”; yet after accusing Washington of violating the agreement by placing new restrictions on Chinese companies, including prohibiting U.S. companies from using AI chips made by the technology company Huawei, China delayed following through with its commitment.

The ensuing confrontation further proved to China’s leaders the effectiveness of their leverage over the United States. Beijing’s reluctance to release more rare earths infuriated Washington, which responded with visa restrictions on Chinese students and export restrictions on jet engines. What China’s leaders learned from this response was that rare earths are so important to U.S. industry that Washington will go to extreme lengths to protect their supply. For many Chinese policymakers, rare earths are China’s first effective strategic chokepoint in the history of U.S.-Chinese relations.

Beijing also realized that its efforts over the past decade to boost economic resilience have paid off. Starting in 2018, China reduced its dependence on U.S. supply chains and diversified the sources of its imports and exports. By the end of 2024, in terms of total value, China traded more with the European Union and the Association of Southeast Asian Nations than with the United States. The extensive use of transshipment—funneling Chinese goods through other countries, often emerging economies—also cushions Chinese exports from some shocks of a bilateral trade war because it complicates attempts to impose direct sanctions on China. The Trump administration has been trying to crack down on transshipment in its ongoing trade negotiations, but any transshipment penalties will be nearly impossible to enforce unless Washington fully retreats from the world economy and stops trading with any country that has ties to China.
In policy dialogues in Beijing this summer, Chinese scholars and decisionmakers repeated a simple phrase that captured their newfound sense of empowerment: “So what?” “There is a trade war. So what?” “Trump might dial up the pressure on China. So what?” When discussing how China might react to Trump’s unpredictability even if there is a trade deal, Chinese decision-makers appeared fully confident in their ability to weather the storm. There is now a conviction that the United States’ ability to damage China’s economic interests through tariffs has declined, which offers Beijing more latitude in future trade negotiations.

In Trump’s first term, Beijing tried to manage the president by managing his team, including by setting up a backchannel for negotiations through Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner. This approach failed, partly because of conflicting priorities among members of the Trump administration. This time around, Beijing believes its best option is to manage Trump himself. Negotiating directly with the president, rather than working behind the scenes, appears to be the most likely way to shape Trump’s agenda. Trump has also more clearly set the priorities for his current administration than he did for the previous one.

China’s community of foreign policy scholars and decisionmakers fears such a shift in U.S. attention. The common anxiety is that positive trade signals from the United States are tactical and ephemeral, and therefore it is only a matter of time before Washington resumes hostility toward China and its political system. The Trump administration could renew its campaign to target Communist Party members and their families, which involved limiting access to visas to travel to the United States, or it could ramp up support for Taiwan through political, economic, military, and diplomatic assistance. Beijing also does not want the United States to increase efforts that, as Chinese foreign policy insiders often put it, attempt to “separate the Chinese Communist Party from the Chinese people,” which the party perceives as a fundamental attack on its rule, nor does it want the United States to reinvigorate a global anti-China coalition that could isolate Beijing. Unlike with trade issues, in which Beijing is approaching the table with confidence and sees room for dealmaking, a focus on politics will only push the bilateral relationship toward free fall. To Beijing, this is what happened in 2020 when Washington blamed China for the outbreak of the COVID-19 pandemic, which led to a series of increasingly bitter public recriminations from both sides and drove U.S.-Chinese relations to new lows.

This will be Prime Minister Modi's first visit to China in seven years. His last trip was in June 2018 for the SCO Summit.

Here are the key points on ongoing efforts in India-China bilateral relations:

PM Modi reiterated India's commitment to a fair and mutually acceptable resolution of the boundary issue and underlined that stable and constructive relations between the two countries are vital for regional and global peace.

PM welcomed steps such as the resumption of the Kailash Manasarovar Yatra since his last meeting with Jinping and expressed support for China's presidency of the SCO Summit.

India and China held the 24th round of Special Representatives (SRs) talks on the boundary issue, where Wang Yi said that stable and healthy ties between the two countries are in the fundamental interests of both peoples.

The Chinese foreign ministry said that Doval and Yi held "comprehensive, in-depth, and productive discussions" on the India-China border issue and broader bilateral relations.

The NSA recalled his visit to Beijing in December for the previous round of SR talks and mentioned that ties have shown an "upward trend" since then. He said the borders have remained quiet, peace and tranquillity have prevailed, and bilateral engagements have become more substantial.
The MEA said that external affairs minister Jaishankar’s meeting with Wang Yi covered bilateral, regional, and international matters of common interest.

India strongly raised its concerns on terrorism in all forms, including cross-border terrorism, during the discussions.

Jaishankar also conveyed India’s concerns regarding the construction of a mega dam on the lower reaches of the Yarlung Tsangpo river.

An Expert Group will be set up under the Working Mechanism for Consultation and Coordination (WMCC) on India-China Border Affairs to explore an early harvest in boundary delimitation along the border areas.

bala wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 09:46 The Doklam area is well know to many where China and India had a tussle sometime ago in 2017. China again is disputing this territory with Bhutan and India rescued this area for Bhutan. Now India has built a road near Doklam in Bhutan to improve mobility, and the road connects to Haa Valley. This would enable connectivity for Bhutan's Army and Indian Army. This road will be important not only for the locals in Bhutan but for India it will be a strategic edge over China as it will enable forces with quick mobility if required.



Aadi Aachint in YT discusses the road and its strategic importance.
India's New Road in Bhutan, The Strategic Move That Blocks China's Himalayan Expansion I Aadi


// Strictly my opinion: India needs to fold in Nepal and Bhutan as part of India. Sometime ago Nepal was willing to be part of India but our great hero Neverwho spurned the offer. Many of China's intrusion into Indian territory is due to their annexation of Tibet in 1950s. This disastrous takeover presided by Neverwho once again is why India and China are at perpetual odds with one another. I don't know why the Hans are so keen on gobbling up territory after territory like a pacman (an old video game). The PLA average recruit is loathed to fight and spends their time on ipads playing video games or other youthful distractions. They are not soldiers in the traditional sense and being 1 child wonders are the darlings of their parents. India needs to implement a plan to push out these conscripts from Tibet.

bala saar,

they are gobbling up the water resources wherever they can and are also keeping their river infrastructure as far away from Indian strikes as they possibly can

they have no "give" in this space, only "take" ................

Border settlement is an Indian pipedream because the hans haven't reached the boundaries that they need to consolidate, to feel safe, as far as their grab for water resources is concerned

arunachal is a huge catchment area for water and that is their main interest in laying aggressive claim to it

this is also why India is building a huge dam in this very area, which has concerned the hans a great deal

the hans are also upset with the developments at the Daulat Beg Oldi Advanced Landing Ground (ALG).

Before Modi ji's govt came into play, uncle raincoat just did not allow the IAF to develop DBO. The UPA government was reluctant to open the airfield which had remained virtually unused for over four decades, as it did not want to upset the chinese.

In 2008, Air Marshal Pranab Kumar Barbora, then commanding the Western Air Command, landed an AN-32 aircraft at Daulat Beg Oldi (DBO) without explicit orders from the government.

This reactivation of the airstrip, located near the Line of Actual Control (LAC) with China, was a significant event as DBO is the world's highest airstrip and had been closed for over four decades.

While the operation was secret and without written orders, Barbora later stated it was necessary to support troops in the area and that previous requests to reactivate the airstrip had been denied.

The hans have been eyeing that air strip for decades now.

DBO's location near the LAC with china and east of siachen makes it strategically vital for India

DBO's strategic significance has been amplified by its proximity to the Depsang Plains, a site of heightened tension along the Line of Actual Control between India and china

In Big Breakthrough, India, China To Seek Early Solution To Boundary Delimitation

New Delhi: Taking the first big steps to reset the entire trajectory of bilateral relations, India and China have decided to work on a settlement of the boundary question and an expert group will be set up to explore an early solution to boundary delimitation.

After Prime Minister Narendra Modi, External Affairs Minister and National Security Advisor Ajit Doval met Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi, the Ministry of External Affairs issued a statement on Tuesday and said the two sides have also decided to resume direct flights at the earliest and increase the scale of Indian pilgrimage to Mount Kailash and Lake Manasarovar.

PM Narendra Modi will attend the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation summit in China and the two sides also agreed to the reopening of border trade through the three designated trading points - Lipulekh Pass, Shipki La and Nathu La.

Mr Doval and Mr Wang, who are the countries' Special Representatives (SR) on the Boundary Question, held the 24th round of the SR dialogue.

"The two sides spoke positively of the progress made in the implementation of the important leader-level consensus in Kazan. The two sides shared the view that peace and tranquillity has been maintained in the India-China border areas since the 23rd SR Talks. They reiterated the importance of maintaining peace and tranquillity in the border areas to promote overall development of the India-China bilateral relationship," the ministry said in the statement.

The statement said an agreement was reached to take a political perspective of the overall relationship while seeking a "fair, reasonable and mutually acceptable framework" for settlement of the boundary question in accordance with the 2005 Agreement on Political Parameters and Guiding Principles for Settlement of the India-China Boundary Question.

"The two special representatives agreed on setting up an Expert Group, under the Working Mechanism for Consultation and Coordination on India-China Border Affairs (WMCC), to explore Early Harvest in boundary delimitation in the India-China border areas," the statement said.

Delimitation involves defining the boundary through legal and political means, without physical markers on the ground.

In the Wang-Yi Ajit Doval meeting, it was also decided that a working group would be set up under the Working Mechanism for Consultation and Coordination on India-China Border Affairs for effective border management to maintain peace and tranquillity.

The countries also agreed on the creation of General Level Mechanisms in the Eastern and Middle Sectors, in addition to the existing General Level Mechanism in Western Sector, and said de-escalation would be discussed.

^^
Could I ask some of the experts on China Policy here : What is the Catch??
Have we made major concession on :
a. One China Policy n Ditched Taiwan
b. Cool off on Tibet
c. Easing up on supply chain establisment and Semi-Conductor
There was an article in Deccan Herald to the extent claiming that India has reiterated One-China Policy.
What Quid Pro quo for this Dragon-Elephant Tango!! then please??

Both China and America respects only hard power

There is friendship only with equals.

SRajesh wrote: ↑20 Aug 2025 12:24Have we made major concession on :
a. One China Policy n Ditched Taiwan

Rajesh ji, I can assure one thing to you which is that the incumbent government would not make such a concession.

All that we have said was that there was no change in our policy. Our policy was reiterated by Sushma Swaraj more than a decade back. India also decided that thenceforth, in joint statements with China, there will be no reference to 'One China' policy. The GoI implies that there is no change in that policy, but this Indian action gives an avenue to China to interpret that in a way suitable to itself. India won't contest that.

That's why, I say that the Indian statement should have said that China agreed to an 'One India' policy. We could have watched the fun.

RaviB wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 10:42 The China-Pakistan treaty of 1963 that caused the transfer of the Shaksgam valley has an interesting clause. The boundary arrangement was for the area west of the karakoram pass (which has nothing to do with the karakoram highway). Karakoram pass is the single undisputed boundary point from the Chinese side.
The treaty was provisional, pending final settlement of the status of J&K.
Possession of the saltoro ridge and siachen glacier in fact puts the entire treaty in question as Pakistan lacks control of the area. Shaksgam was never gifted in the legal sense, just a preemptive settlement of the boundary pending a final resolution and legally it's still not in force.

Territory is mostly about undisputed possession, so 200 years from now, Siachen will be seen as a strategic masterstroke.

RaviB ji,


200 years from now is a long time to be expecting the situation to remain the same. siachen was a strategic imperative. The cost of holding it is enormous but we have no options but to continue what we are doing

The mafioso have once before, already tried to gift siachen away to the pakis when raincoat was the so called PM, allegedly under pressure from the amrikis. That was plausible deniability and one that in true mafioso dynaaastie family style kept the parliament in the dark. It took one gutsy IA chief to stop them dead in their tracks but such selfless patriots do not come by too often.

This was already on the agenda of the amrikis and the pakis, and it still is. They await the concatenation of circumstances, knowing that, in the fullness of time, another musharaff or two is bound to emerge out of the rotting jihadi woodwork, or another raincoat will rise and do the dirty work at the cross roads

they are both waiting for a foolish govt in India to do the needful. we already know that the amrikis can never be trusted. No need to belabour the point by adding the pakis, the beedis and the cheen to this already untrustworthy and toxic mix

GOK what the mou signed by the mafioso with the cheen contains but it is safe to assume that it will greatly and only benefit the cheen

Despite our colonial travails over the centuries, we have once again, and also very foolishly, allowed a non native and an alien species to contaminate the upper echelons of our national leadership and take root. Their malevolent behaviour leaves no scope for any other interpretation but the most obvious and anti civilizational perception of their offshore based agenda which is being actively exploited by the BIF, thus necessitating the strategic gaming of the possibility of some much needed dharmic surgery to rectify the pestilential invasion

Shatrubodh has to form an inalienable part of our civilizational arsenal and social armoury

Are there any good books or articles on that whole affair where we tried to give away Siachen?