Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

ashish raval · Post by **ashish raval** » 08 Jun 2013 14:13

Advani had his shot at last elections. He is already a spent force. Shushma cannot even bring back Bjp in Delhi either in loksabha or state election so again a non performer. She is good but not good enough to dethrone Maun Mohan or dynasty. Ananth kumar another non performer. All of the above other than genuine absences are so called Delhi gang which are virtual talkers and non performers. Look at genuine Bjp workers, namo, shivraj, Raman Singh, parikar all have proven track record of good governance, I would like Bjp to choose the success stories and promote them rather than promoting talkers and non performers. Imagine the combination of namo -pm, parikar/sinha - foreign/finance, raj nath/ shivraj - home/mining/defence, jaitley - it,commerce,law coalition - railways, etc...
I think raj nath has done right by weeding out non performers for 2014 shot.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 08 Jun 2013 14:18

If there is any blemish in Rajnath's past you can bet C-system will use it to bring pressure to bear.

Varun Gandhi's comparison of Rajnath to Vajpayee could have been an effort to tempt Rajnath to block Modi.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 08 Jun 2013 14:19

Hari Seldon wrote:OK. Its getting nasty. A mob has gathered in front of LKA's house in Delhi and is sloganeering. Banners say they are 'Namo Army'. Smells fishy. If they start pelting stones or eggs at the house, know that they are more likely INC or AAP goons only.

Havent I been mentioning the congress strategy of first floating lies through media and then doing some small operation on the ground to give it face of possible truth?

A la Safforn terror. This is exact safforn terror approach.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 08 Jun 2013 14:25

Published on Jun 08, 2013
By Prarthna Gahlote
The Home Stretch Is Crowded: Outlook

Neither Modi nor Advani has the complete backing of the RSS leadership in Nagpur. Advani has had a history of differences with the Sangh ever since his Jinnah comments; Modi, known to be brash, is seen more as a threat than an asset by Nagpur. Left to themselves, the RSS leadership would want a more accommodating leader than Modi to take charge of the BJP. In fact, a senior pracharak says, “The joke in Nagpur these days is that if Modi takes over party affairs, the Nagpur headquarters must start preparing for a shutdown.” That said, sources confirm that if the demand for Modi’s elevation comes from the rank and file, the Sangh shall give in and not oppose it.

While the going maybe good for Modi now, the opposition is yet to die out. Senior leaders like Murli Manohar Joshi, Yashwant Sinha, Jaswant Singh, Sushma and Uma Bharati—all part of the Advani camp—will not back Modi. Rajnath and Jaitley, meanwhile, are said to nurse their own prime ministerial ambitions. Senior leaders say, “The move to make Modi the chief of the campaign committee could also be a clever way to quieten him in future. This elevation does not guarantee that he will be the face of the BJP in 2014. In an election year, Modi could well be told he must work towards winning the elections for the BJP and that in a post-election scenario he is not an acceptable candidate for the NDA.”

James B · Post by **James B** » 08 Jun 2013 14:33

The chant in Goa is for 'NaMo': Vijay Goel

Once Advani falls in line, everyone will come around.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 08 Jun 2013 14:41

Talked once again with top parivar people. Namo it is. Jai Sriram.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 08 Jun 2013 14:45

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 08 Jun 2013 14:48

Hari Seldon wrote:OK. Its getting nasty. A mob has gathered in front of LKA's house in Delhi and is sloganeering. Banners say they are 'Namo Army'. Smells fishy. If they start pelting stones or eggs at the house, know that they are more likely INC or AAP goons only.

This is typical INC trick. In Gujarat, NCP was the party behind all the Pro-Sanjay-Joshi and Anti-NaMo pictures. Gujarat police had caught these people but NM chose to stay silent about it. Because whatever he says will be twisted.

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 08 Jun 2013 14:49

Sanku wrote:
Hari Seldon wrote:OK. Its getting nasty. A mob has gathered in front of LKA's house in Delhi and is sloganeering. Banners say they are 'Namo Army'. Smells fishy. If they start pelting stones or eggs at the house, know that they are more likely INC or AAP goons only.
Havent I been mentioning the congress strategy of first floating lies through media and then doing some small operation on the ground to give it face of possible truth?

A la Safforn terror. This is exact safforn terror approach.

+1

I am not very happy at the treatment that LKA is being given by some BJP and NM supporters. I am really proud of the way LKA is taking all the muck.. Hence I thanked him here.

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 2#p1455772

This is right.. and This is Good.. Loh-Purush on Soosai mode is one of the better things that can happen to Bhaarata.

My worry was that he was not going on Soosai mode and resisting the urge within to do so.. Signs are telling.

Desh will fondly remember this brave son of Dharma and Bhaarata.. Namo should be shielded and kept away from Loh-Purush now.. He is priming himself now.. Things will happen in year or so.. I wish Loh Purush best of health until he goes boom.. Only Samson can pull super-structure down. It destroys Samson as well, but then that's what makes him great.. Or Ghatotkacha.. I wish he fights bravely and falls on Kauravas as he dies, killing as many of them as possible, absorbing the Indra-Shakti...

Loh purush will be doing a thankless job.. I thank him for this... If he goes on soosai mode, my respect for him will increase hundred-fold.

I do not think it is BJP or RSS people shouting outside the home of LKA. They are overenthusiastic NM supporters who have no understanding of RSS and Hindutva, at best.. At worst, which is most probable scenario, they are INC stooges like Ram Sene out there to give BJP and Hindutva a bad name.

Everything is happening as per the plans of parivar and as per the wishes of NM supporters. PAIDMEDIA is going to raise the ruckus and do the needful anyways. Why do H-wadi biraders join their chorus?

LKA has managed to keep and gradually remove the influence of troublemakers like Uma, Yashwant, Jaswant, Shatrughna and similar others away from BJP by offering them a pole to hold (self) and taking them away along with himself. His job during his post 1998 nuke-tests too was similarly subtle and commendable. He forced TSPA, almost single handedly, to test and come out in open. Imagine a BJP without all these people and with people like Subbu Swamy !!! This delicate surgery is being performed by LKA which will not only end his career (it has already ended - LKA categorically said it in 2011 that he DOES NOT want to be PM) but blot his legacy. But it is essential.

People like Pramod Mahajan et al are example of how Vishwamitra fell for Menaka.. Shourie, Yashwant, Jaswant, Jethmalani, and many others like them have not stayed on the course of the vision of parivar and are opportunists to some extent (Like Chiddu).

It is sad indeed. Every passing day, I respect LKA more and more.

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 08 Jun 2013 14:59

Sanku wrote:https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BMOe8wlCIAEzRBE.jpg

Brilliant and very appropriate! Sharing on FB.

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 08 Jun 2013 15:06

RajeshA wrote:Published on Jun 08, 2013
By Prarthna Gahlote
The Home Stretch Is Crowded: Outlook

Neither Modi nor Advani has the complete backing of the RSS leadership in Nagpur. Advani has had a history of differences with the Sangh ever since his Jinnah comments; Modi, known to be brash, is seen more as a threat than an asset by Nagpur. Left to themselves, the RSS leadership would want a more accommodating leader than Modi to take charge of the BJP. In fact, a senior pracharak says, “The joke in Nagpur these days is that if Modi takes over party affairs, the Nagpur headquarters must start preparing for a shutdown.” That said, sources confirm that if the demand for Modi’s elevation comes from the rank and file, the Sangh shall give in and not oppose it.

While the going maybe good for Modi now, the opposition is yet to die out. Senior leaders like Murli Manohar Joshi, Yashwant Sinha, Jaswant Singh, Sushma and Uma Bharati—all part of the Advani camp—will not back Modi. Rajnath and Jaitley, meanwhile, are said to nurse their own prime ministerial ambitions. Senior leaders say, “The move to make Modi the chief of the campaign committee could also be a clever way to quieten him in future. This elevation does not guarantee that he will be the face of the BJP in 2014. In an election year, Modi could well be told he must work towards winning the elections for the BJP and that in a post-election scenario he is not an acceptable candidate for the NDA.”

I do not know the antecedents of Prarthana Gahlote, but such immature and baseless comments (the text in bold) point towards a lack of understanding about RSS and BJP. The sole purpose of RSS is NOT to manage BJP, that is not the reason it continues to exist. BJP may perish or expand, but RSS thought will live.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 08 Jun 2013 15:12

Published Jun 08, 2013
LK Advani won’t attend Goa meet on Sunday either: BJP: Zee News

Addressing a press conference, BJP spokesman Prakash Javadekar said, "Advani wanted to attend the meeting, if not today at least tomorrow, but could not because doctors advised him to take rest for another three-four days."

“He (BJP president Rajnath Singh) spoke to him personally and asked him (LK Advani) not to take the strain to attend the meet.”

Javadekar, however, was quick to add that Advani will attend the next BJP meet.

Notably, “unwell” Advani skipped the office bearers' meeting held on Friday and today. Senior party leaders say this is the first time in their memory that the party stalwart has stayed away from a meeting of the national executive.

According to sources, a chartered plane was ready to fly the 85-year-old leader to Goa today, but he could not come. Advani's family informed the party that his health condition ruled out travelling.

Commenting on the reports that Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi could be appointed as head of the party's campaign committee for the 2014 General Elections, Javadekar said: “What announcements are to be made and what not, you will have to wait for it till tomorrow”.

All decisions in the BJP are taken with consensus of leaders, said Javadekar.

Anyway, Rajnath Singh should go ahead with the announcement of Modi as the Campaign Committee head. Advani would have to be taken on board later on.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 08 Jun 2013 15:32

Modify or perish, Ashok Malik cautions the BJP

ashashi · Post by **ashashi** » 08 Jun 2013 16:05

LK Advani says yes to Narendra Modi as convenor of poll panel, no to chairman: sources

Panaji: Senior BJP leader LK Advani, who is opposed to Narendra Modi's appointment as the party's election committee chief, has reportedly given his nod to make the Gujarat Chief Minister the convenor of the poll panel, sources have told NDTV.

If Mr Modi becomes the convenor, sources add, BJP president Rajnath will continue to preside over all election meetings. However, if he is promoted as the panel's chairman, he would preside over all poll meetings.

http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/bjp-h ... ces-376953

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 08 Jun 2013 16:06

Published on Jun 08, 2013
By Surabhi Malik
LK Advani says yes to Narendra Modi as convenor of poll panel, no to chairman: sources

Panaji: Senior BJP leader LK Advani, who is opposed to Narendra Modi's appointment as the party's election committee chief, has reportedly given his nod to make the Gujarat Chief Minister the convenor of the poll panel, sources have told NDTV.

If Mr Modi becomes the convenor, sources say, the BJP president will continue to preside over all election meetings. However, if he is promoted as the panels' chairman, he (Modi) would preside over all poll meetings.

Now Rajnath Singh is being pitted against Narendra Modi!

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 08 Jun 2013 16:52

One is getting exasperated with all the shenanigans -

Modi likely to be elevated despite Advani's absence

PANAJI: BJP national president Rajnath Singh is likely to announce the elevation of Gujarat chief minister as party's chief election campaign for Lok Sabha elections 2014 in its concluding remark at the two-day national executive meet.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... IIndiaNews

IMO if they want to delay an announcement until the last few seconds of the meet, it only means that the announcement may not happen at all.

At that point NaMo supporters will have to figure what to do next.

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 08 Jun 2013 16:59

^^

Yaar hudd ho gayi Pranav ji, why are you getting exasperated with shenigans in BJP? Since you've declared yourself to be AAP member.

Its like me getting agitated over ConParty choosing Antony or shinde or chidu for next PM.

really really something, begaani shaadi mein abdullah deewaana !!!

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 08 Jun 2013 17:03

Manish_Sharma wrote:^^ Yaar hudd ho gayi Pranav ji, why are you getting exasperated with shenigans in BJP? Since you've declared yourself to be AAP member.

Its like me getting agitated over ConParty choosing Antony or shinde or chidu for next PM.

really really something, begaani shaadi mein abdullah deewaana !!!

Saar it is encouraging that you choose to obsess over the alleged affiliations of my humble self, instead of the topic of this thread.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 08 Jun 2013 17:03

Hari Seldon wrote:OK. Its getting nasty. A mob has gathered in front of LKA's house in Delhi and is sloganeering. Banners say they are 'Namo Army'. Smells fishy. If they start pelting stones or eggs at the house, know that they are more likely INC or AAP goons only.

We predicted this few pages ago. Even yesterday, I was saying that the maharathis have to realize and avoid chappal attacks.

The BJP and its earlier avatars are born with a core and periphery and that is very similar to congress under dynasty. The shift to periphery is bound to happen with a lot of war. See the list of leaders in RajeshA's list above and where they are from and I was criticized often as being parochial. As long as the periphery is loyal to the core (Delhi billi) we are always a great nationalist party else the s.h.i.t falls. (PVNR's rise was pure accident)

As I wrote earlier, almost around/before Gujarat election and way before "we will not go to elections with a candidate" drama started, inside BJP they created an electoral college to gather who should be PM candidate. The electoral college is drawn using presidents, vice-presidents and other office bearers from ALL the states of India. It was done in a US style of entire state votes or none. Except one state (not revealed and hence I don't want to speculate) all states voted to Modi. Even votes wise he got 90% votes. Had it been someone from Dilli Billi, I will bet that there wouldn't be any discussion and the chapter would have closed long ago.

The consternation and the spin to not do the inevitable is only because the establishment (just about 1% of leaders) just don't like Modi's ascent. The various topics of "why" are all pure spin with zero logic. Modi or his team or any Modi supporters are not arrogant are power hungry as being tried as another spin.

It is all media and there is nothing in BJP and the process is working etc are all just political face saving statements. Even if in the end Advani himself comes out and declares Modi as PM it is just a face saver. The digestion problems due to NaMo in BJP's mighty leaders is true and not media creations/speculations.

The anology is like Pandavas asking for their rights. They go down to asking for just five cities as their right from Kaurava kingdom. Here the person who got almost all votes and who got democratic victory has even accepted to go with campaign committee chairman (whose decision is final on the candidates selection). The scare is that post poll all the elected will be Modi's candidates and lot of unworthy (close to Dilli Billis) will not get tickets. This scare has led to "let us deny that and create some other post" a.k.a kauravas calling for game of dice to snatch the kingdom of Pandavas.

It is really pity to see how low the great leaders who practiced and talked a lot of ethics and national sacrifice have to go to this level.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 08 Jun 2013 17:10

Well, whatever it is the BJP is trying to do they'd better come to a decision fast - the party is increasingly starting to look like a huge big farce...

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 08 Jun 2013 17:11

Atri: I own the London bridge, if you buy I will throw in qutub minar for free.

Arjun: remind me again when was the Bogus Janata Party ever competent?

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 08 Jun 2013 17:11

Sanku wrote:Yashwant's dig at media: I'm not suffering from 'NaMonia'

"I am not suffering from ''NaMonia''. I am in perfect health, but there can be several other reasons for me not going to Goa," he told mediapersons in New Delhi , while expressing his displeasure over media publishing baseless stories about him.
Congress paid media is desperate.

wtf are those "several other reasons" YS ji? A large scale indigestion and constipation? bahana & bahana international limited Co.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 08 Jun 2013 17:20

RajeshA wrote:Published on Jun 08, 2013
By Prarthna Gahlote
The Home Stretch Is Crowded: Outlook

Neither Modi nor Advani has the complete backing of the RSS leadership in Nagpur. Advani has had a history of differences with the Sangh ever since his Jinnah comments; Modi, known to be brash, is seen more as a threat than an asset by Nagpur. Left to themselves, the RSS leadership would want a more accommodating leader than Modi to take charge of the BJP. In fact, a senior pracharak says, “The joke in Nagpur these days is that if Modi takes over party affairs, the Nagpur headquarters must start preparing for a shutdown.” That said, sources confirm that if the demand for Modi’s elevation comes from the rank and file, the Sangh shall give in and not oppose it.

While the going maybe good for Modi now, the opposition is yet to die out. Senior leaders like Murli Manohar Joshi, Yashwant Sinha, Jaswant Singh, Sushma and Uma Bharati—all part of the Advani camp—will not back Modi. Rajnath and Jaitley, meanwhile, are said to nurse their own prime ministerial ambitions. Senior leaders say, “The move to make Modi the chief of the campaign committee could also be a clever way to quieten him in future. This elevation does not guarantee that he will be the face of the BJP in 2014. In an election year, Modi could well be told he must work towards winning the elections for the BJP and that in a post-election scenario he is not an acceptable candidate for the NDA.”

Either the writer or the leaders in that list consider Modi as a fool.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 08 Jun 2013 17:26

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 08 Jun 2013 17:35

4.12 pm: BJP chief Rajnath Singh has reportedly offered a peace formula to the LK Advani camp, suggesting that Narendra Modi be made the poll panel convenor. However, sources say there is no clarity if Modi will accept this as he wants to be the chairman of the poll panel.

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/live-advani- ... 37-64.html

Hopefully NaMo will not accept such a weak compromise. This meet should end with a clear Yes or a clear No. Put an end to the Tamasha.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 08 Jun 2013 17:37

Dilli-Billis are fighting existential battle in BJP.

kasthuri · Post by **kasthuri** » 08 Jun 2013 18:03

Renuka Aunty:

Congress' Renuka Chowdhary says protests outside BJP senior leader LK Advani's house are condemnable. "If BJP is treating its patriarch LK Advani in such a manner, then you can think of what they will do when they come to power. Advani should be treated more respectfully," she says.

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/live-advani- ... 37-64.html

negi · Post by **negi** » 08 Jun 2013 18:30

If LKA has any shame he would step aside; point is not about whether he can become PM or not point is without Namo he and his party has a big GHANTA chance of winning 2014 Gen elections it is logical and just that the person who has delivered and on whose shoulders everyone is trying to stand up on and claim that they are for development be made the captain of the ship not some old foggy who has only delivered in pages filled by chankian analysts ; what have LKA and his cronies to show for development and reform in their administered states ? Ministers who have actually delivered like Goa's CM Manohar Parrikkar are all out in support for Modi. LKA is just a liability to India's cause it's not even about BJP , NM is bigger than the BJP. People like NM will deliver in any party.

Fundamental fact is people of Gujarat voted for development i.e. Modi and not for the BJP one cannot win back to back elections by just riding 2002 sentiments , the % of Muslim votebank which has swayed in favour of Modi is a testimony to above. Again key point to note is people have voted for person who has delivered not some gas bag. LKA is a nobody he is not even a match for MMS last couple of times when he tried to confront the latter he got snubbed royally. UPA and INC are wary of the BJP because of Modi take him away and NDA would look like India's cricket team of late 90s without Sachin Tendulkar.

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 08 Jun 2013 18:37

Is BJP repeating Nehru-Sardar drama in 2013? More pertinent question is who is performing the role of angrez.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 08 Jun 2013 18:55

The drama is being scripted by the scamgress with the support of the media. The intention is to create confusion amongst the masses.

The comments of scamgress are illustrative.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 08 Jun 2013 19:05

negi wrote: what have LKA and his cronies to show for development and reform in their administered states ?

NaMo was considered a LKA crony till few days back. Memories are short, but the above is really out of whack.

ALL the CMs of BJP were also LKA cronies.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 08 Jun 2013 19:10

Sanku wrote:
negi wrote: what have LKA and his cronies to show for development and reform in their administered states ?
NaMo was considered a LKA crony till few days back. Memories are short, but the above is really out of whack.

ALL the CMs of BJP were also LKA cronies.

Everything doesn't need to be permanent. When you are good you are good and when you are bad you are bad. Nothing wrong then and it is not wrong now too.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 08 Jun 2013 19:11

^^'were' Sanku saab.

Would you say they still "are" or (gasp!) "should be" LKA's cronies going fwd?

I have towonder what at this point can satisfy the anti-Namo camp in the BJP - a declaration that namo will not be allowed out of Guj for any national role till at least the 2019 polls are over??

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 08 Jun 2013 19:13

Atriji posts have some put of the box thinking ideas. Seems to have seen the big picture.
Whether by design or deceit, LKA seems destined to behave as predicted by Atriji.

Hope he takes all the more muck till the remaining weeks/months and shield NaMo as long as it takes.

For his services, can be made president after pranabda has completed his term.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 08 Jun 2013 19:17

The khanjar has been ghusao-fied...seems like...

Narendra Modi unlikely to get campaign chief's post at BJP's Goa meet

Yawn. Media badmashi or so I thought. At first. However.... when a mass leader of the calibre of venkaiah naidu spoke...

It is now almost certain that the BJP national executive will end on Sunday without any formal announcement of appointment of Narendra Modi as campaign committee chief. Senior leader L.K. Advani has managed to put a spanner in the works.

Party leader Venkaiah Naidu said that the announcement of Modi's name was never on the agenda. He said it is a routine national executive, something that the party hold every three months.

"It has all been created and hyped by the media. The media cannot decide the agenda of a political party," a flustered Naidu told a group of mediapersons at Mariott hotel where the BJP's national executive is in progress.

*never* on the agenda when rajnath is himself on record saying it will be discussed in Goa??

He said that whenever the announcement does happen, it will happen when everybody including Advani is on board. "Advani ji is our seniormost leader. Modiji is our most popular leader. It will all happen in good time," added the former party president.

He also berated the media for putting out stories that raised suspicion about Advani, as to whether he was actually ill or not. "He has dysentry. That is why he could not come," said Venkaiah about Advani's absence from party's national executive for the first time.

He has dysentry, hence he wants only a 'sentry' for critical org posts, seems like. Dysentry sans decency...Tragic only. And all those other taller-than-mountains netas who skipped attending (Okie, VarunG excepted)... a case of Delhi Belly to all of them too??

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 08 Jun 2013 19:24

There are rumours of BSY arriving in Goa tomorrow.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 08 Jun 2013 19:25

Sanku wrote:
negi wrote: what have LKA and his cronies to show for development and reform in their administered states ?
NaMo was considered a LKA crony till few days back. Memories are short, but the above is really out of whack.

ALL the CMs of BJP were also LKA cronies.

Sankullah, is your neck still sticking out regarding your prediction?

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 08 Jun 2013 19:36

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 08 Jun 2013 19:38

Sushupti wrote:There are rumours of BSY arriving in Goa tomorrow.

He was supposed to go today but postponed. He will not go if NaMo is not being made poll committee chief.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 08 Jun 2013 19:40

Pranav wrote:
Sushupti wrote:There are rumours of BSY arriving in Goa tomorrow.
He was supposed to go today but postponed. He will not go if NaMo is not being made poll committee chief.

Source? And how the AAP privy to such juicy titbits, eh? Lemme guess, the IB report meant for 7 RCR gets copied to Kejriwal too?