2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 07 Oct 2020 19:29

It should be of no doubt that all money taps have been opened up for islamists and BIF. Similar to GJ riots.

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 07 Oct 2020 19:31

When will british write books about genocides and terrorism committed by them and other christian nations?

UK: After Protest By Hindu Groups, Publisher Withdraws British Schoolbook Linking Hinduism With Terrorism
https://swarajyamag.com/insta/uk-after- ... -terrorism
A British GCSE religious studies workbook has been scrapped from a schools website and withdrawn by the publisher after it sparked outrage among the British Indians who said it linked Hinduism to terrorism.

The book bearing the AQA logo (the examination board which sets and awards GSCEs and A levels), had been downloadable from the curriculum section of the website of Langley School, a comprehensive secondary school in Solihull, West Midlands -- until Monday (6 October).

A description of Hinduism on page four of the book states: "Holy books teach that it is necessary to be able to morally justify war in order to preserve dharma. Arjuna, as a Kshatriya, is reminded of his duty to uphold a righteous cause and that in fact there is nothing better than a righteous war.
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ManSingh · Post by **ManSingh** » 07 Oct 2020 19:41

nachiket wrote:ManSingh ji, may I ask your take on why the opposition to these new laws have been muted outside of Punjab and Haryana? It seems to me that the governments of these states have become overly dependent on APMC commissions for their revenue. Perhaps this will give them a reason to try and diversify those sources and perhaps try to attract more industries to their states as other governments try to do.

Secondly, people seem to be taking it for granted that just allowing private players direct access to farm produce would mean nobody will sell at APMC mandis and these will all get shut down along with MSP because state governments won't be able to afford it. But isn't MSP something that is set by the central government? MSP was always meant to be used when the prices for commodities fall to extremely low levels due to a glut in the market and also to allow the government to buy and store produce for later on in the season when the supply falls. It is meant to be used precisely when other parties cannot or will not offer such a price. But since the mandis had a monopoly the MSP basically became the Maximum Selling Price because the farmers did not have a choice to sell to someone who offers a higher price anyway.

MSP will work best only when there are multiple options available for farmers to sell not when there is just one which was the case till now. This "threat" of "MSP will go away" is a strawman argument that opposition parties who could not argue their case in parliament (and indeed had themselves strongly supported these same reforms years ago) are using to mislead people. The noise is highest in Punjab and Haryana because the governments in these places have the most to lose. It is an open secret that the APMC mandis have been the den of corruption and source of "revenue" for politicians of all hues for decades now.

Sure
1) Punjab, Haryana and western U.P. is/was the bread basket that produces the most agricultural output in wheat and rice, two commodities that form the majority chunk of MSP produce. Now of course M.P. has made good strides in wheat and southern states produce a lot of rice as well esp. in the K.G. basin.

2) MSP should not be thought of as the max price. It is a fixed price that only goes up every season ( not indexed to inflation but sufficient to cover cost of inflation ). Sure, if prices are higher in the futures market, farmers may get paid more under the new law but it is the variation in prices that could be deadly for small farmers.

3) Multiple options to sell until a cartel forms in the market. Just like the steel and telecom sector in India. Yes, punjab and Haryana have the most to loose from loosing the mandi fees.

4) Punjab/Haryana should not/can not fully diversify to other sectors of the economy. Being border states, a lot of industries are hesitant to invest in Punjab. I have seen this myself when a foreign client raised concerns during operation Prakaram.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 07 Oct 2020 19:55

A very good article on the same topic:

https://www.livemint.com/opinion/column ... 83068.html

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 07 Oct 2020 19:59

Back in 1970s and 1980s., between rice and wheat for 23 months farmers use to grow cash crops like cantaloupes, radishes, carrots, peas, watermelons, Tomatoes, etc. These days due to MSP only three crops Wheat, Rice and Sugarcane. Vegetables, etc are only grown for home consumption. My cousins tell me that it is not worth to grow these cash crops due to theft as well as small shelf life.

In Capitalists markets farmers do not need to transport their crops/produce to markets., rather companies buy the crops and have 2-3 weeks to harvest and transport it. Crops are insured the world over. not know if they are insured in India or not.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 07 Oct 2020 20:44

for those interested, since it says that it covers India

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chetak · Post by **chetak** » 07 Oct 2020 20:54

UP Police catches PFI Office Secretary who works under the garb of Journalism https://pgurus.com/up-police-catches-pf ... ournalism/ via @PGurus1

The Uttar Pradesh Police has caught controversial pro-Islamic organization Popular Front of India’s (PFI) Delhi Office Secretary Siddique Kappan, who is also working as a Journalist along with other PFI leaders on their way to enter agitations struck Hathras. Recently Police has arrested many persons from pro-Islamic organizations like PFI, SDPI (Socialist Democratic Party of India – a covert name to fool people) and Welfare Party (another covert name to fool people). These organizations infiltrate into many sectors and Delhi Police is also probing into the role of Delhi Riots. All these Organisations’ Delhi offices are in Okhala Shaheen Bagh area.

Siddique Kappan is the office Secretary of PFI in Delhi’s Shaheen Bagh and was also using a Journalist cover by showing identity card of a Kerala based newspaper named as ‘Tejas’. This newspaper is now defunct and was an organ of PFI. Siddique was playing a double role in Delhi of a PFI under the garb of Journalism. He is also the Secretary of Delhi Unit of Kerala Union of Working Journalists (KUWJ), a union of Journalists working in Delhi on behalf of Kerala based media organizations. After his PFI’s Tejas newspaper was shut down, Siddique was using his journalism cover as a columnist for some websites.

It is high time the agencies crush the radical elements parked in Delhi’s Shaheen Bagh area, where the National Highway was blocked for more than 100 days using women and kids by pro-Islamic elements

UP Police arrested him near Mathura along with other PFI activists and their student wing (Campus Front of India) leaders. Now the Journalist union KUWJ, claims that he was doing his duty as Journalist. The question is how a political organization PFI’s Office Secretary can claim the cover of a Journalist. This is the usual trick of such organizations by infiltrating their cadre into many sectors to claim the cover for their dubious activities.

PFI and their allied pro-Islamic organizations are operating in the Shaheen Bagh area in Delhi and are involved in the Shaheen Bagh protests leading to Delhi riots in February 2020. Recently the Enforcement Directorate (ED) and Delhi Police unearthed their huge money trail. Another dubious organization associated with the PFI is the Welfare Party lead by Syed Qasim Rasool Ilyas. His son Omar Khalid is an accused in Delhi riots. Ilyas was also the founding leaders of banned notorious SIMI (Students Islamic Movement of India). Many Kerala-based organizations such as the SDPI and SIO are in association with PFI involved in many nefarious activities and inciting radical Islamic elements across India. PGurus reported earlier how in Uttar Pradesh, many Islamic organizations started covert activities after Yogi Adityanath became the Chief Minister and controversial Dr Kafeel Khan’s link with these organizations [1].

It is high time the agencies crush the radical elements parked in Delhi’s Shaheen Bagh area, where the National Highway was blocked for more than 100 days using women and kids by pro-Islamic elements. Many such elements are also parked in the Jamia Milia University area too. There are many in the media who are supporting and getting paid from these organizations for giving favourable media coverage. The investigating agencies must crush these anti-national elements who wanted to create unrest in the Muslim community.

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 07 Oct 2020 21:27

Where can one get more Yogis? GJ will take one.

After Yogi Adityanath's Announcement Of International Flights Starting Deepawali, Kushinagar Airport To Get Upgraded; Will Boost Buddhism Circuit
https://swarajyamag.com/infrastructure/ ... sm-circuit
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In an important announcement last week, Uttar Pradesh Chief Minister Yogi Adityanath had said that international flights will start operating from Kushinagar airport by Deepawali this year.

“This entire region is part of ‘Buddha Circuit’ and this facility will increase the inflow of foreign tourists,” Adityanath said.
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Agreement For Construction Of Rs 29,000 Crore Jewar Airport To Be Signed Today; Zurich Airport Emerged As Highest Bidder Last Year
https://swarajyamag.com/insta/deal-for- ... -last-year
An agreement for the construction of the Jewar Airport in western Uttar Pradesh’s Gautam Buddh Nagar district will be signed today.

Every foreign visitor to India needs to be sent through Holocaust like museums about all the genocides committed on Indians by christians, muslims, britishers.

shravanp · Post by **shravanp** » 07 Oct 2020 21:30

darshan wrote:Where can one get more Yogis? GJ will take one.
After Yogi Adityanath's Announcement Of International Flights Starting Deepawali, Kushinagar Airport To Get Upgraded; Will Boost Buddhism Circuit
https://swarajyamag.com/infrastructure/ ... sm-circuit
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In an important announcement last week, Uttar Pradesh Chief Minister Yogi Adityanath had said that international flights will start operating from Kushinagar airport by Deepawali this year.

“This entire region is part of ‘Buddha Circuit’ and this facility will increase the inflow of foreign tourists,” Adityanath said.
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Thats a great decission.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 07 Oct 2020 21:32

chetak wrote:
UP Police catches PFI Office Secretary who works under the garb of Journalism https://pgurus.com/up-police-catches-pf ... ournalism/ via @PGurus1

To add on.. Plea before SC seeks release of Kerala journalist detained by UP Police. Which also shows that these people are not working in isolation or without good understanding of the law of the land. It must also be noted that Kerala based anti-nationals have now also moved out of the state and started causing damage to Indian Union. It is a surprize that the governments have not banned PFI or SDPI, even after multiple incidents of them involving in terrorism and murders have come out.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 07 Oct 2020 22:41

the massive crowds that the defunct and yesteryear's yuvaraj is drawing during his high profile punjab visit and the lootyens media covered "farmer's" rallies

must have cost him a bomb to buy such coverage and also the huge crowds don't come free.

or is the portly and battle hardened captain slyly playing his own darbari game to expose his don quixote lord and master

AajTak@aajtak·Oct 5

राहुल गांधी के 'खेती बचाओ' आंदोलन में हो रही रैलियों में बहुत कम लोग राहुल और अन्य कांग्रेस नेताओं को सुनने के लिए पहुंच रहे हैं

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 07 Oct 2020 23:21

really, captain saab

well bowled

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 07 Oct 2020 23:33

he also sat on crucial 2G scam cases delaying them enormously.

maybe the past deeds caught up and the process of the reopening of these 2G cases would have exposed many things including people with proven expertise of showering in raincoats

Mihir Jha @MihirkJha·2h

Ex Governor & former CBI Director Ashwani Kumar committed Sui¢ide today

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 07 Oct 2020 23:40

darshan wrote:When will british write books about genocides and terrorism committed by them and other christian nations?

I know your question was in the rhetorical sense, but the answer is "Never". Just like peacefuls never talk about the crimes that peacefuls including Mo committed on generations of innocent people.

The real question is when will HINDUS write books about Hindu Holocaust and terrorism suffered by them in their own country? I am waiting for that.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 07 Oct 2020 23:45

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https://twitter.com/iAnkurSingh/status/ ... 4436995072

Congress' Dalit leader Shyoraj Jivan Valmiki admits Congress has planned Riots in Hathras. He close to Rahul & Sonia Gandhi.

“Poori Taiyari Hai"
"Humne tod fod ki"
"Goliyan Chalengi, 2 idhar ke marenge 2 udhar ke marenge.. uske baad Rahul Gandhi Phir aayenge"

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chetak · Post by **chetak** » 07 Oct 2020 23:54

wonder what the big ask was

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 08 Oct 2020 01:47

https://swarajyamag.com/news-brief/rahu ... y-upa-govt
Rahul Gandhi Attacks PM Modi Over Boeing VVIP Jet But The Deal Was Sanctioned By UPA Govt

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 08 Oct 2020 02:03

https://swarajyamag.com/ideas/india-is- ... rate-media
India Is Doing Quite Well On Covid-19: Big Lessons Relate To Migrant Crisis And Data-Illiterate Media

This daily rate of increase is a sharp drop from the 4-5 per cent rates reported last May, which implies that the doubling period is down from 14-18 days then to more than 50-60 days now (63 days, according to Monday’s growth rate of 1.14 per cent). Mortality rates are at 1.5 per cent or lower, especially if we consider the sheer numbers who may have been asymptomatic and handled the infections through their own immune systems.

To top it all, by September we have seen significant economic recovery, whether it is in terms of auto sales or the purchase managers’ index or goods and services tax (GST) revenues, which has shown an actual rise over September 2019. We still need to keep our fingers crossed, but the worst may just be over, even assuming a second wave is possible as the economy opens up further in the festival months. What we have established over the last six months is the ability of the system to cope, despite having a raucous democracy, a tendency to use draconian measures to stop an infection from spreading, and a shrill media that pushes policy-makers to adopt terrible, growth-sapping policies.

Each government did something right, something wrong, which is why we are seeing one model after another bite the dust – while another springs up somewhere. In the early days, we extolled the Kerala model too soon, but that state now has the third largest number of active cases, after Maharashtra and Karnataka. This is not about the Kerala model being wrong, but that we should not celebrate early success too soon, or claim success merely because luck favoured one state at one point, and another at another point.

There must also be a good word to be said about the Narendra Modi government’s economic management during the last six months. There has been no month in which influential intellectuals – from Raghuram Rajan to every Right- or Left-leaning economist – did not berate the government for not doing enough to boost demand, which is short-hand for handing over cash to lots of people. The Modi government has been parsimonious in doling out cash, even though it has been generous with easing credit and offering benefits in kind to the poor. This includes the latest decision to not impose higher interest costs on borrowers who took advantage of the repayment moratorium. The government has preferred to use bulging stocks of foodgrain, free kitchen fuel supplies and small amounts of cash to help the poor keep their home fires burning.

kit · Post by **kit** » 08 Oct 2020 02:05

vijayk wrote:https://swarajyamag.com/news-brief/rahu ... y-upa-govt
Rahul Gandhi Attacks PM Modi Over Boeing VVIP Jet But The Deal Was Sanctioned By UPA Govt

my guess is pappu got carried away by himself .. no brakes

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 08 Oct 2020 02:42

The Indian Express@IndianExpress · Oct 6

Give me free press, other institutions and this govt won’t last long, says Rahul Gandhi

may be we should declare this very mediocre and completely unaccomplished 50 year old man child crybaby as emperor for life, and be done with it.

what "free press, other institutions" did the mafia famiglia give Modi during and after the congi instigated godhra riots and yet he beat the mafia famiglia hands down atthe hustings and they could not even become the leader of the opposition after two elections.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 08 Oct 2020 02:54

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 08 Oct 2020 03:41

Unlike nehru, he didn't have to arm twist and blackmail any gandhi to do it.

Narendra Modi enters 20th year as democratically elected head of government
https://www.wionews.com/india-news/nare ... ent-333080

hanumadu · Post by **hanumadu** » 08 Oct 2020 07:28

ManSingh wrote:
3) Multiple options to sell until a cartel forms in the market. Just like the steel and telecom sector in India. Yes, punjab and Haryana have the most to loose from loosing the mandi fees.

4) Punjab/Haryana should not/can not fully diversify to other sectors of the economy. Being border states, a lot of industries are hesitant to invest in Punjab. I have seen this myself when a foreign client raised concerns during operation Prakaram.

Steel is a cartel in India? How come steel companies were one of the biggest NPAs in India and a lot of them had to be liquidated?

The Telecom companies too are making losses. The telecom prices are too low to call them cartel. But we already know Mandis are a cartel. The entry barriers for trading in Agri produce is low enough to prevent cartelization. I am not sure it should be a concern.

Punjab's per capita is 1,54,996, 16th among Indian states - lower than a whole bunch of states with much less resources than Punjab. If agriculture is to be the only main stay, they will slide further. No economy survives on agriculture. Industrialization has to happen. It's time the Punjabis got on the software/education bandwagon too. Invite some software companies to set up their development centres there. Haryana is way up on the per capita list, probably due to the software companies there.

And Haryana is not a border state. Punjab is more than 200 km wide. Plenty of distance away from border for industries.

BTW, the farmer rallies organized by the congress seem to be a flop. So they don't seem to be too concerned about the new law.

ManSingh · Post by **ManSingh** » 08 Oct 2020 07:59

https://m.economictimes.com/industry/in ... 770012.cms

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-indi ... SKBN1Y00A3

Yes steel is/was a cartel in India. Your point on low prices of telecom is exactly what is wrong with allowing prices to be dictated by the race to the bottom. A lot of telecom companies no longer exist in this segment due ro this. Hutch, videocon, idea etc.

I used to work as a software engineer in the tricity area. A lot many clients simply asked the project to be executed from a different office. Punjab had an industrial econony too in the not so distant past. It was destroyed by lopsided policies that did not take into account the impact of such policies on every state.

https://www.business-standard.com/artic ... 031_1.html

There was also a special economic act that provided tax benefits to hilly regions like Himachal Pradesh, Uttarakhand and erstwhile J&K which did put Punjab at a competitive disadvantage essentially killing any new investment.

Also most of Haryana is not progressive. Only the belt around NCR or surrounding tricity region which is an advantage primarily of being located close to a power center.

It is easy to echo what you hear on news channels. Both the left and right leaning media have their own biases and are unable to contribute anything meaningful to the discourse.
There is a lot more to the wisdom and business acumen of Punjabi's than shown by leaders like capt, badals and Rahul Gandhi. I would recommend not drowning out commentary coming out from Punjab just because it is a congress ruled state.

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 08 Oct 2020 08:45

It may be possible that people on this board aren't listening to Punjab or have understating of Punjab. However, it would be incorrect to say that Modi doesn't understand Punjab, farmers, and Mandi system.

hanumadu · Post by **hanumadu** » 08 Oct 2020 08:52

ManSingh wrote:https://m.economictimes.com/industry/in ... 770012.cms

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-indi ... SKBN1Y00A3

Yes steel is/was a cartel in India. Your point on low prices of telecom is exactly what is wrong with allowing prices to be dictated by the race to the bottom. A lot of telecom companies no longer exist in this segment due ro this. Hutch, videocon, idea etc.

I used to work as a software engineer in the tricity area. A lot many clients simply asked the project to be executed from a different office. Punjab had an industrial econony too in the not so distant past. It was destroyed by lopsided policies that did not take into account the impact of such policies on every state.

https://www.business-standard.com/artic ... 031_1.html

There was also a special economic act that provided tax benefits to hilly regions like Himachal Pradesh, Uttarakhand and erstwhile J&K which did put Punjab at a competitive disadvantage essentially killing any new investment.

Also most of Haryana is not progressive. Only the belt around NCR or surrounding tricity region which is an advantage primarily of being located close to a power center.

It is easy to echo what you hear on news channels. Both the left and right leaning media have their own biases and are unable to contribute anything meaningful to the discourse.
There is a lot more to the wisdom and business acumen of Punjabi's than shown by leaders like capt, badals and Rahul Gandhi. I would recommend not drowning out commentary coming out from Punjab just because it is a congress ruled state.

Your link says there was no evidence on steel cartel. The other cartel was that of bearings and not steel.
Race to the bottom is not cartelization. If anything, it is the opposite of cartelization. How is it relevant to the current law? Are you saying there will be a race to the bottom of some sort among farmers or traders?

I absolutely agree that Punjabis are one of the hardest working and smartest people in the world. That's exactly why it is all the more surprising that they have fallen behind some other states.
Agriculture cannot be the main stay, no matter how different Punjab is compared to other states. It's been proven the world over. There are states like Telangana where industries cannot be sustained because of lack of water. Punjab at least has plenty of water, both for agriculture and industries. It should build on those advantages. Perhaps, Punjab's problem is it's close to some of the worst governed states like UP, Bihar or disadvantaged states like HP, J&K, Rajasthan for the past few decades. It's comparing itself the those states and being complacent that it is much better off. If Yogi is successful in transforming UP, it might rub off on Punjab too. May be the loss of revenue from the Mandi tax will spur the punjabis to be innovative again.

As long as PDS is there, MSP will be there. Especially, rice and wheat farmers will be supported by MSP.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 08 Oct 2020 12:10

as good an epitaph as any.

Aman Sharma@AmanKayamHai_ET · 12h

I am ending my life. Everyone be happy. My soul is embarking on a new journey

- Ashwini Kumar wrote in his suicide note

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 08 Oct 2020 12:15

too bad that pappu is hell bent on doing exactly what his abbu said that others were doing to him

indianhistorypics@IndiaHistorypic · Oct 6

1987 :: PM Rajiv Gandhi Says Press Attempting Coup

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 08 Oct 2020 12:31

three innocent Hindu lives wantonly snuffed out by jehadi church supported abrahamic naxal fanatics belonging to a regional party of poworful peoples and complicit cops in direct cahoots with them and the MH govt pretends that "justice" has been served my a few "pay cuts".

TIMES NOW@TimesNow · Oct 7

#BREAKING | Big development in Palghar lynching

Maharashtra government files new status report in Supreme Court. 15 cops punished with pay cuts.

More details by Harish.

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 08 Oct 2020 14:08

DNA Special: Detailed analysis of Rahul Gandhi's claim of throwing Chinese Army out in 15 minutes

In 1962, India and China engaged in a month-long war in which the Chinese army occupied a big chunk of India's. Jawaharlal Nehru was the Prime Minister of India at that time. He was one of the strongest prime ministers of India, but he could not do anything. But Jawaharlal Nehru's great grandson Rahul Gandhi today said had the UPA been in power, "China would not dare to take a step inside our territory and we would have evicted and thrown out China and it would not have taken 15 minutes to do so”.

Rahul Gandhi said this at a rally of farmers in Haryana's Kurukshetra. Rahul Gandhi, in his speech, used the word ' coward ' for Prime Minister Narendra Modi and said the PM is not a patriot. Rahul Gandhi had made such a rhetoric earlier also. What he has said today cannot be taken very seriously. But Rahul Gandhi is a parliamentarian and the Congress party considers him a future prime minister. So, it is necessary to analyse Rahul Gandhi's statement so that you can understand how politics is being done on the issue of national security.

Let's remember the time when his party was actually in power. The then defence minister, AK Antony had admitted in Parliament that since Independence, the Congress party governments have been policy-bound that infrastructure in border areas should not be developed much. Antony also admitted that the policy did not prove correct and China took advantage of it and infiltrated into India.

Let's explain this in details:

Ahead of festive season, another blow to China as govt notifies quality control mechanism for LED lights

First in 1962, the Chinese army took over the entire Aksai Chin area of India. It is an area of about 38,000 square kilometres. If you look at the area, it is equal to countries like South Korea and the UAE.

A year later, in 1963, Pakistan gifted about 5,180 square metres of PoK land to China. Both these times, Rahul Gandhi's great grandfather Jawaharlal Nehru was the Prime Minister of India.

Before 1962, China claimed about 90,000 square kilometres of land in Arunachal Pradesh. However, because of the Indian Army's preparedness, China hasn't been able to do much about it.

China has been making infiltration bids in Ladakh from time to time. However, it did not occupy any very large land. Between the years 2010 to 2013, the Chinese army once again intensified infiltration. In 2013, the National Security Advisory Board gave a report claiming that the Chinese army had occupied 640 sq km of eastern Ladakh. There was a lot of commotion on this report, but then the UPA government rejected it.

This was the time when Manmohan Singh was the prime minister and Rahul Gandhi's mother Sonia Gandhi was called super-Prime minister. Rahul Gandhi himself is also in active politics since 2004. He was a parliamentarian in the year 2013 and the Congress party started projecting him as the prime ministerial candidate. In 2013, Rahul Gandhi had the opportunity to throw China 100 kilometres away, but he did nothing.

Rahul Gandhi, when he is in opposition today, is talking about bravery, but what he is saying may not mean him himself. If they were aware of history, they might think once before they speak such things.

Nehru always maintained good relations with China, however, the latter betrayed him. But, the Congress hasn't learnt any lessons from this deception.

The issue was debated in Parliament after the Indo-China war ended. In that debate, the then Congress MP Mahavir Tyagi asked Jawaharlal Nehru what he was doing to get Aksai Chin back, which Nehru replied that it was a barren land and not was not even a straw of grass grew there.

Mahavir Tyagi took off the cap from his head and said, "If nothing rises here, should I cut my head and give it to someone else?" Then there was a thrust in Parliament, but the answer to that question of Congress MP Mahavir Tyagi has not been found in the country even after 58 years today.

Rahul Gandhi's grandmother Indira Gandhi was also prime minister for nearly 16 years. Her first term was about 11 years, while the second term was also about five years. Indira Gandhi's prime ministership saw tense situations on the border between India and China in 1975. But even then Indira Gandhi did not try to chase China back. Rahul Gandhi's father Rajiv Gandhi was also the prime minister for five years. But during his entire tenure, Rajiv Gandhi did not try to withdraw Aksai Chin from China even once.

Very good writeup by DNA

In 2008, Rahul Gandhi signed an agreement with Chinese President Xi Jinping, who was general secretary of the Communist Party of China in those days. No one really knows what the agreement was about, but it certainly wasn't about chasing China back.

Such a soft attitude of the Congress governments towards China resulted in the Chinese army continuously infiltrating.

For the first time in the year 2017, the central government had stated under RTI that China has illegal occupation of a total of 43,180 sq km of India.

The border between India and China has remained about 2000 km today due to China's occupation of Aksai Chin. According to the real map that we see, it should be 4,056 kilometres long.

China is rapidly building roads and bridges in its occupied areas, while India has not taken any note of it at all in the Time of Congress rule. Most of the roads and bridges in Ladakh were either in the time of Atal Bihari Vajpayee or after 2014.

So, see for yourself if Rahul Gandhi can really chase the 'powerful' Chinese army back in 15 minutes from Ladakh if he were the PM or his government was in power. If the Congress did nothing when it actually count, how can we expect it to do anything now.

Very good writeup by DNA

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 08 Oct 2020 15:41

We all saw how successful nehru was chasing chinese away with years of advance warning as in those days chinese didn't have infrastructure and came to the Indian borders at snail pace compared to today. I guess that RaGaXi to his credit didn't clarify about 15 mins of which clock and solar system.

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 08 Oct 2020 15:51

X posting

srin wrote:Issue with OFB is that while we and military look upon them for the defense of the country, the netas and unions and babus look upon them as job guarantee scheme at lower level and free perk scheme at higher levels.
I'm kinda sad that GoI is stopping at corporatization. I want to see real privatization. And real competition to grow out of the cost-plus model of pricing.

The cost plus models had lot of issues for US MIC which is no where a political and communist mess that Indian MIC is. Not sure how one can trust anything coming out of OFB whose HQ is in WB. When was the last time WB saw a state government that was patriotic and had nation's interest in mind? Without patriotism and commitment to nation, no system will work. If red and green territories are openly pro enemy, then not sure how one can even trust this weapons. Corruption and sleeping with enemy are two different things. There needs to be more and more talk about this at voter level. Indian citizens need to chime in if they want to keep the country going or not.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 08 Oct 2020 16:32

darshan wrote:X posting

srin wrote:Issue with OFB is that while we and military look upon them for the defense of the country, the netas and unions and babus look upon them as job guarantee scheme at lower level and free perk scheme at higher levels.
I'm kinda sad that GoI is stopping at corporatization. I want to see real privatization. And real competition to grow out of the cost-plus model of pricing.
The cost plus models had lot of issues for US MIC which is no where a political and communist mess that Indian MIC is. Not sure how one can trust anything coming out of OFB whose HQ is in WB. When was the last time WB saw a state government that was patriotic and had nation's interest in mind? Without patriotism and commitment to nation, no system will work. If red and green territories are openly pro enemy, then not sure how one can even trust this weapons. Corruption and sleeping with enemy are two different things. There needs to be more and more talk about this at voter level. Indian citizens need to chime in if they want to keep the country going or not.

The lack of quality or otherwise of OFB products has little to do with their headquarters being in bengal.

HALs, BELs, all PSU shipyards, just to name a few, only have liason offices in dilli just like the OFBs do. Why are they not called out for the same "crime" that the OFBs are being called out for, which is not having their HQs in dilli and therefore that is the sole reason that is badly affecting the quality of their products.

This is simply a diversionary tactic and say, even if the HQs of the OFB were to be shifted out of bengal any time soon, the quality of the products would continue to be as abysmal as it is today. The root cause is not being addressed, as usual.

All PSUs in India usually and mostly work on the single tender, cost plus model because they have been permitted to do so by the prevailing expediencies of coalition and communal govts and their ever present votebank compulsions.

Now such tendering compulsions and practice has become de jure from the earlier de facto exceptions followed by the farce of the mandatory and duly constituted "price negotiation committee" that gives this institutionalized highway robbery the stamp of bureaucratic approval to satisfy any challenges arising out of legal considerations pointed out by the sometimes wrathful competitors.

when you have such a huge mass of "workers" unwilling to skill up and preferring to collect their paychecks with assured promotions, overtime and generous cafeteria facilities serving up three hearty meals every day and a generous pension at the end of their "services" with lifelong medical facilities thrown in gratis, how is it different from any other unproductive organisation under the MOD where "projects" drag on for decades without reaching fruition and that too under strikingly similar circumstances.

it is a systemic problem and almost a cultural issue with a largely unmentioned undertone of barely concealed militant communism that demands assured promotions through the use of unionized threats and militant collective bargaining, both from the officers' as well as the workers' unions, minus of course, the mandatory holiday trip to the gulag for recalcitrant busybodies that was rigidly enforced by the true communistas in russia.

or are we so very quick to forget that the very same situation exists in the govt owned airlines, BSNL/MTNL, India Post, LIC and the Indian railways, just to name a few other similar and mostly freeloading govt organisations.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 08 Oct 2020 18:47

Can someone shed light on the episode where Indian Airforce Planes could not refuel with MNC's in India during the 1971 war? I believe that is used as an example of why we might need PSU's in select areas. Add to it a lot of initial innovation in Pharma came through Government spend.
This is an area where there does not appear to be a black and white answer. Please do not lay out the P&L logic. I get that pretty well. However, one is interested in hearing other perspectives of how strategic interests can be guarded and investments for public good still made.
I think this has to be articulated beyond the fairly recent concept of free market and free trade. East Asian economies that have lifted themselves out of poverty have done so with significant government intervention.
With regards to MNCs', why would we want our airways, our farms, our mines and our water sources to be controlled by conglomerates that are world governments unto themselves. It has been catastrophic for us in the past.
Again, we are not talking about inefficient PSU's or the principles of free market economics. One is more interested in the strategic imperative, concept of public spend (for investments that the private sector will not make) and security of the nation (not just short term P&L but also long term).

This is an old paper but events are cyclical and those who don't learn from history are bound to repeat it.

http://history.emory.edu/home/documents ... Colins.pdf

How did a small island nation come on the
Edge of the North Atlantic come to dominate a much larger landmass and
population located almost 4000 miles away? Historian Sir John Robert Seeley
wrote that the British Empire was acquired in “a fit of absence of mind” to show
that the Empire was acquired gradually, piece-by-piece

Free trade, liberalization

Economic superiority was an also important control used by the
British—this paper will emphasize the way trade agreements made between the
British and Indians worked to favor the British

Lovers of federalism and weak centers

However, the primary reason for decline in the Empire was a gradual
shift of power from a centralized imperial authority to a decentralized local rule
of various principalities.

Low involvement of the then government in trade

The fact that the Mughal government could have had little involvement
with the merchants had important repercussions when European powers began to
trade in India. The Europeans were able to aggressively insert themselves into
the Indian Ocean trade; it was often more advantageous for the Indian merchants
to work within the trade structure established by the British rather than the
lack of support they received under the Mughal empire

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 08 Oct 2020 18:48

The Mumbai police, hospital, organ racket seems to stay even if governments come and go.
This is from 2019.

https://thewire.in/health/whistleblower ... ead-mumbai

Sundar Singh Jadhav was duped into giving up his kidney in 2016. He then decided to blow the whistle on the organ racket at Mumbai’s famous Hiranandani hospital.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 08 Oct 2020 18:53

this is woke

this level of brainwashing is unbeliveable, assuming that there is a brain that can be washed.

Varoon Galagali@gvaroon

A westerner being vegan is progressive but a Brahmin being vegetarian is uncool.

4:58 PM · Oct 3, 2020

and this guy, apart from being callously judgemental is also, obviously brain dead.

just look at his unbounded and casteist arrogance

what about ordinary Indians and goras, democractically exercising their free choice and prefering to be vegan

"If slaughter houses had glass walls, everyone would be vegetarian~ Paul McCartney"

Siddharth@DearthOfSid

A westerner being a vegan is by choice based on their politics. A Brahmin being a vegetarian is by birth based on the casteist idea of purity. That is the difference.

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 08 Oct 2020 18:58

@chetakji, the point I'm trying to drive home was that this needs to become a hot issue for voters. Till various points that everyone's stating aren't being discussed on open channels, meaningful changes won't arrive. The present GoI may come up with half baked solutions to fix things. Voters need to pitch in and bolster the political will to fix things and not worry about the blackmail tactics utilized by PSUs.

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 08 Oct 2020 19:08

The images coming out of West Bengal of Mamata Banerjee's goons in uniform brutally, violently assaulting BJP workers, spraying chemical water on them using high pressure hoses, and police throwing molotv cocktails on protestors , and in Maharashtra no less than Mumbai Police commissioner calling a press conference on a bizarre news channel "TRP manipulation expose" and making it sound like they just arrested Dawood Ibrahim tells us two things (a) The non-BJP parties are ruthless when it comes to using state machinery against their opponents. Imagine something like this happening in GJ, Kar or MP even after years and years of BJP rule and (b) Unless Modi and AS get out of their "statesmen" avatars and take off their gloves, I shudder to think what is in store for BJP workers and supporters in the years to come if BJP loses power.

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 08 Oct 2020 19:13

Not a surprise. If I was enemy of India, money would be no constraint at this critical juncture.

Hathras Case: ED Says Foreign Funding Of Rs 100 Crore Received To Create Unrest, Probes Links
https://swarajyamag.com/insta/hathras-c ... obes-links
The Enforcement Directorate (ED) on Wednesday (7 October) said that there were evidences of approximately Rs 100 crore being routed to Uttar Pradesh to instigate caste and communal conflict in the wake of alleged gang-rape and murder of a Dalit girl in Hathras.

The money has been sent through hawala channels and according to the ED, about Rs 50 crore came from Mauritius, The Times of India reported citing sources.
....

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 08 Oct 2020 19:19

Ambar wrote:Unless Modi and AS get out of their "statesmen" avatars and take off their gloves, I shudder to think what is in store for BJP workers and supporters in the years to come if BJP loses power.

This is one conundrum that I have failed to understand. They must be of opinion that their way will have the most dividends in long term but I still fail to come to that conclusion. What about all the deaths and suffering till then that will continue to be caused by anti India politicians in power? It's like BJP's continued decision to keep GJ as dry state while illegal liquor flows everywhere and is a genesis of lot of criminal activity.