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Re: West Asia News and Discussions
Posted: 20 Oct 2012 16:49
by shyamd
Lot of people currently talking about the
dash for the throne that is coming soon in KSA
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As disclosed many moons ago:
US wants India to get Iran to negotiate
Having failed in its endeavours so far to bring Iran’s on-going nuclear programme to a halt, which it believes is not for peaceful purposes, the US is now learnt to be looking to India to persuade the West Asian nation to return to negotiations on this issue.
US deputy secretary of state William Burns is believed to have conveyed Washington’s desire that New Delhi work on Tehran to have discussions on this prickly matter given its close ties to the country.
In his meetings, Mr Burns is said to have conveyed to the officials here that both the US and India share a common goal in that neither wants a nuclear-weapon-armed Iran.
Therefore, it was necessary to ensure that Iran returns to negotiations on the issue.
The US is hopeful that Iran will engage in negotiations with the P5+1; comprising the five permanent members of the UN Security Council — Britain, China, France, Russia, US and Germany — on its nuclear programme.
Mr Burns is learnt to have conveyed this message during his discussions with both national security adviser Shivshankar Menon and foreign secretary Ranjan Mathai when he met them on Friday. He met both officials as part of the US-India strategic security dialogue. Also on the discussion agenda was the Nato drawdown in Afghanistan.
Mr Burns reached Delhi on Thursday on the final leg of a five-nation tour which also saw him visiting Japan, Korea, China and Burma.
Project failed by the way... Don't know why they are leaking this now.
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U.S. steps up support of Turkey amid Syrian conflict
By Craig Whitlock, Saturday, October 20, 2:38 AM
The U.S. government is intensifying its intelligence sharing and military consultations with Turkey behind the scenes as both countries confront the possibility that Syria’s civil conflict could escalate into a regional war, according to U.S. and NATO officials.
The Obama administration has said it wants to avoid getting drawn militarily into Syria and for months has resisted pressure from Arab allies and some Republicans to back Syria’s rebel groups more forcefully.
But as Syria’s internal conflict has increasingly spilled across its northern border into Turkey, the U.S. government has stepped up cooperation with its key NATO ally. In recent weeks, military officials from both countries have met to make contingency plans to impose no-fly zones over Syrian territory or seize Syria’s stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, U.S. officials said.
U.S. intelligence agencies were also the source of a tip that led the Turkish military to intercept and ground a Syrian passenger plane en route from Moscow to Damascus last week on suspicions that it was carrying Russian-made military hardware, according to U.S. officials.
The Syrian plane was carrying “radar and electrical parts for Syria’s Russian-made antiaircraft systems,” one U.S. official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss details of the sensitive operation. Syria has relied on Russia for decades to help build its radar and antiaircraft defenses, among the most extensive in the Middle East.
The plane grounding sparked a diplomatic dust-up among Turkey, Russia and Syria and further exacerbated tensions that erupted Oct. 3 when Syria fired shells across the border and killed five Turkish civilians.
Since then, cross-border shelling has continued as the Syrian military has attacked rebel groups along the frontier, with rounds sometimes landing in Turkish territory. Turkey has retaliated with artillery strikes, most recently on Friday, while warning Damascus that the risk of all-out war is increasing.
The United States and NATO have publicly supported Turkey, saying it has a right to act in self-defense. At the same time, they have called for restraint and repeated that neither Washington nor Brussels has any intention of getting involved militarily.
Behind the scenes, however, the border clashes have changed the strategic calculus and led U.S. military and intelligence officials in particular to collaborate more closely with Turkey.
“I can certainly assure you that our militaries, our military officers, are in contact,” Francis J. Ricciardone Jr. , the U.S. ambassador to Turkey, told journalists in Ankara on Tuesday. “This week I know there is a special focus of our military experts talking about Syria. And what militaries do well is plan for every contingency and every eventuality.”
Ricciardone said “no political decision has been made” regarding whether to support or impose a no-fly zone in Syrian territory to protect civilians or opponents of the government of Bashar al-
Assad in Damascus, but he acknowledged that U.S., Turkish and NATO officials were discussing options.
“Will we consider it?” he said. “We consider everything.”
Ricciardone did not provide details about the recent U.S.-Turkish military talks regarding Syria. But his comments came after Adm. James Stavridis, the chief of the U.S. European Command and the Supreme Allied Commander of NATO military forces, visited Ankara and Izmir in early October.
Stavridis did not speak with reporters, but he posted a message on his Facebook account saying that he met with Turkish Defense Minister Ismet Yilmaz and Gen. Necdet Ozel, Turkey’s top military commander, to hold “important talks considering the events transpiring in the Levant.”
A NATO official confirmed that Stavridis discussed the increasing volatility of the Turkish-Syrian border but said that Turkey has not made any formal requests for military assistance from either NATO or Washington.
For now, Turkey primarily wants statements of public support from NATO and reassurances that the alliance would come to its aid if necessary, said Ross Wilson, a former U.S. ambassador to Turkey who now serves as director of the Dinu Patriciu Eurasia Center at the Atlantic Council in Washington.
“A big part of what they’re looking for is that I’d call political support as opposed to NATO sending in fighter squadrons or thousands of troops,” Wilson said. But he added that Turkey also wants the U.S. and NATO to demonstrate willingness to update military preparations and planning in case events along the Syrian border quickly spiral out of control.
“In their eyes, there’s a whole bunch of scenarios that could result in outside involvement, but they don’t see anybody talking about it as much as they’d like,” Wilson said.
The Obama administration has said that it would likely intervene if Assad’s government engaged in chemical or biological warfare, and Pentagon officials have said they are monitoring the whereabouts of Syria’s stockpiles of those weapons.
With a presidential election looming, however, the administration has said it is pushing first for a political solution to the Syrian civil war. It has pressed the United Nations Security Council to take action, even though Russia and China, which hold veto power, have resisted.
With the United Nations paralyzed, Turkey may lean on NATO to intervene even without a U.N. mandate, possibly by imposing a no-fly zone or haven for Syrian refugees if the civil war worsens, said Soner Cagaptay, director of the Turkish Research Program at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. More than 100,000 Syrian refugees have sought shelter in Turkey.
“NATO is the new U.N. for Ankara when it comes to Syria,” he said.
He acknowledged that many European members of NATO, distracted by the continent’s economic crisis, would be reluctant to become involved. But he said one alternative would be for select NATO members — such as the United States, France and Britain — to assist Turkey with a military intervention, while other allies remain on the sidelines.
“It could be a ‘coalition of the fighting’ within NATO,” Cagaptay said. That was the approach NATO took last year when it ousted Libya’s former ruler, Moammar Gaddafi.
Greg Miller in Washington and Michael Birnbaum in Brussels contributed to this report.
Re: West Asia News and Discussions
Posted: 20 Oct 2012 17:03
by pentaiah
But the current
has to throw out first
the one on throne
For the dash of hope
To become reality
Else futility
And of little utility
No?
Re: West Asia News and Discussions
Posted: 20 Oct 2012 17:08
by shyamd
Read the link - it is explained.
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Russians have assumed control of the Syrian Chem weapons apparently at the request of the US. Therefore no intervention by the US/British - per the saudis. They have 300 - 500 MANPADs ready to be shipped to the rebels to enforce a NFZ but US is saying no to it. Some are getting through and have got through already presumably from the South via Jordan.
Re: West Asia News and Discussions
Posted: 20 Oct 2012 18:37
by Austin
MANPAD are not good enough to enforce NFZ some one needs to send in Aircraft and regularly patrol those areas backed up by AWACS ,The Iraq experience in 90's showed even to maintain an effective NFZ over small area you need significant asset deployment.
MANPAD ofcourse runs the risk of being sold out and end up in some one hand who can equally target civil airliner very risky business.
Ofcourse Syria can easily over come MANPADS by resorting to high altitude bombing and choppers deployed with flares.
Re: West Asia News and Discussions
Posted: 20 Oct 2012 20:05
by shyamd
True - need to be trained to use MANPADs as well. 600 MANPADs are missing since the Libyan war which they are still trying to trace - the Saudi position is that the threat of the MANPADs are being exaggerated by the US. I disagree as you rightly point out - it is a threat to civilian aircraft and its stupid to pilfer more. But the US have said organise the FSA into a proper army - boot out the extremists and we'll give them to you.
They are already bombing from higher altitude per the french Foreign minister due to the presence of MANPADs. But the whole point is it increases the difficulty for Assad forces to operate and conduct successful attacks. He hasn't got that many planes/helicopters to play with as he is already cannabalizing aircraft.
There is a thought that by giving the rebels more MANPADs and ATGMs and tilt the balance in favour of the rebels - this will force the Russians to change their minds in the UNSC.
Then there is another theory doing the rounds that the US wants to extend the Syrian conflict for certain reasons hence why they dont want the MANPADs to be given.
I dont believe the latter.. as we already know that some ATGMs and MANPADs have been given. .
Lets see...
Re: West Asia News and Discussions
Posted: 21 Oct 2012 00:56
by shyamd
#fsa deploys new anti tank weapons #syria new via #aje
http://t.co/ZUNnAjLK
Anyone know what missile is being used in this video?
Re: West Asia News and Discussions
Posted: 21 Oct 2012 03:15
by shyamd
Source says Kuwait heading for confrontation from tomorrow as opposition parties boycott call for elections by the Emir. Possibility of Arab spring reaching the Gulf. The announcement of the amendment to the electoral laws is being seen as a domestic political earthquake
Re: West Asia News and Discussions
Posted: 21 Oct 2012 04:59
by pentaiah
shyamd wrote:#fsa deploys new anti tank weapons #syria new via #aje
http://t.co/ZUNnAjLK
Anyone know what missile is being used in this video?
It's belly launched unguided Anti Tank RPG BUM 10
Made in China
BUM 10 is alleged to be line of sight
(
BUM belly launched unguided missile)
One more look
Milan
Now sure it's 9M133 Kornet
From Libya rebels
Re: West Asia News and Discussions
Posted: 21 Oct 2012 07:12
by RoyG
shyamd wrote:#fsa deploys new anti tank weapons #syria new via #aje
http://t.co/ZUNnAjLK
Anyone know what missile is being used in this video?
Looks like a Metis or Kornet.
Re: West Asia News and Discussions
Posted: 21 Oct 2012 18:56
by shyamd
@samdagher: More worrisome signs at #WissamAlHassan funeral angry cleric grabs microphone and tells #sunni youth to prepare for battle #Lebanon #Syria
@BreakingNews: Lebanon's opposition says it rejects dialogue unless government resigns over killing of intelligence chief - @Reuters
@samdagher: Mob tries to storm security cordon on road leading to #Lebanon prime minister headquarters in #Beirut after #WissamAlHassan funeral
Re: West Asia News and Discussions
Posted: 22 Oct 2012 00:46
by shyam
Re: West Asia News and Discussions
Posted: 22 Oct 2012 08:36
by pentaiah
is there a way to speed up action in ME
Re: West Asia News and Discussions
Posted: 22 Oct 2012 11:59
by shyamd
Qaboos bin Said to be chief guest at the 2013 Republic Day celebrations.
http://t.co/Boke1LZP
Re: West Asia News and Discussions
Posted: 22 Oct 2012 21:50
by brihaspati
Just as we get no news here usually about nakhras in KSA, or Bharain - even if they are happening , we have total silence on Quwait too. Last evening there was quite a bit of demo and clash outside the parliament zone. All, over the emir's electoral reforms. Wonder of wonders - there is also an "opposition" apparently, which by some reports managed to assemble nearly 8-10% of the country's total population on the demo which the police practised on with rubber bullets and tear shells.
Re: West Asia News and Discussions
Posted: 22 Oct 2012 22:28
by shyamd
Lol. Total silence on Kuwait eh? The person makes a big statement and doesn't even bother to check just a few posts above.
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Iran has formed a coordination cell with the ministry of transport in Iraq for transportation of mil equipment to Syria along with their advisors. The IRGC chief who was in Iraq as I mentioned last month sought Baghdad coordination to deploy agents on the border with Syria and Saudi in order to infiltrate agents. Looks like the gloves are off and Iran is responding to Syria as expected in the gulf. After Baghdad the next day he went to the south to meet with Iranian backed militias to sort things out. Then went to the north - Kurdistan to meet with barzani. Meeting was not pleasant apparently as Barzani is backing the GCC/Turks/Kurds that are anti Asad
Interesting timing for the arrest of IRGC guys.
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Fred Hof, the US special envoy for the Syrian crisis quit because of Obama administration failure to establish a NFZ. He is an experienced chap on the region.
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Hezbollah last month conducted a major exercise opposite the Israeli border. Wasn't publicised by the west or hezbollah and it was watched closely by western and regional intelligence services. Most of the forces were 20-25 and appeared to be new recruits.
Re: West Asia News and Discussions
Posted: 23 Oct 2012 01:17
by brihaspati
Funny - vey funny - confrontation already happened by 21st October at the time of "posting". "Source" actually predicted something that had already happened and info available publicly. But source took care to "predict" so that any details of the "confrontation" that has already happened doesn't have to be reported - unlike tweets of things as they are "happening" when it appears to go in favour of GCC or GCC posturings!!
Re: West Asia News and Discussions
Posted: 23 Oct 2012 01:24
by brihaspati
Bahrain arrests 7 after police bomb death
(AFP)
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/ar ... eb223b5.91
DUBAI — Bahrain on Sunday announced the arrest of seven people suspected of being responsible for a roadside bombing that killed a policeman during clashes with protesters in a Shiite village. The seven suspects in the attack, which took place amid violence overnight on Thursday, were referred to the public prosecutor, a statement from the Information Affairs Authority said.
The search continued for others suspected of involvement in the attack in which an improvised explosive device was used in the Shiite village of Akar, south of Manama, the statement added. A second police officer was wounded in the attack. Protests in Shiite villages late on Thursday took place after a call by an Internet-based group that wants to topple the minority Sunni Al-Khalifa monarchy.
"Security measures put in place in Akar in the form of checkpoints are aimed at verifying the IDs of those entering and leaving the village. This is part of ongoing efforts to search for a number of wanted suspects," a police chief said on Saturday. The opposition, however, condemned what it called a "siege" of the village. A statement from Al-Wefaq, the main Shiite opposition formation, said police denied entry to activists and doctors on Sunday.
Ten opposition groups and NGOs in a message urged United Nations chief Ban Ki-moon to intervene and "lift the siege on Akar." The message, delivered to the UN office in Manama and quoted in an Al-Wefaq statement, said security forces were denying the village medical aid for the third consecutive day.
Regular unrest and demonstrations have shaken Bahrain since it crushed Shiite-led popular protests in March last year. The kingdom came under strong criticism from international rights groups over the deadly crackdown.
Re: West Asia News and Discussions
Posted: 23 Oct 2012 01:40
by brihaspati
This is curious! Quite an interesting political pussyfooting by both sides.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oc ... rab-spring
UK-Saudi relations strained by 'support' of Arab spring changes
Boycott of British trade worth billions threatened, while officials say they were 'insulted' over MPs' investigation
Ian Black, Middle East editor
The Guardian, Wednesday 17 October 2012
Bahrain protests
Scenes of unrest in the Middle East, such as these anti-government protests in Bahrain, have set nerves jangling across Gulf states. Photograph: Hasan Jamali/AP
Britain's relations with Saudi Arabia and other wealthy Gulf states are coming under strain because of mounting nervousness over the changes the Arab spring has brought to the Middle East. Billions of pounds worth of exports and thousands of jobs could be at risk in rows with Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates over a British parliamentary investigation and the role of Islamists in a changing political landscape.
Prime minister David Cameron is expected to tackle the issues at a gala dinner of the Conservative Middle East Council on Wednesday. In a report on human rights by the Commons foreign affairs committee (FAC) published on Wednesday, MPs criticise the government for failing to boycott the Formula One Grand Prix in Bahrain earlier this year because of concerns over abuses in the island state. The MPs express concern that "political and strategic factors" coloured the decision not to list the kingdom alongside other states held responsible for abuses.
"We find it difficult to discern any consistency of logic behind the government's policy in not taking a public stance on the Bahrain Grand Prix but implementing at least a partial boycott of the 2012 Uefa football championship matches played in Ukraine," the committee said.
Saudi Arabia and the UAE, which together accounted for £8bn of UK exports in 2011, have voiced criticism of British policy and hinted at reviewing their relations. UK trade with the six members of the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) is worth over £17bn.
On Monday, Saudi officials told the BBC that their country was "insulted" by a separate decision by the Commons committee to investigate UK relations with their country and Bahrain. The Saudi ambassador, Prince Mohammed Bin Nawaf Al Saud, warned that Riyadh would "not tolerate or accept any foreign interference in the workings" of the GCC, which comprises Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar, the UAE and Oman.
In the UAE, a campaign is under way to boycott British trade on the grounds of alleged support for an opposition group linked to the Muslim Brotherhood. Victories for the Brotherhood in Egypt and Tunisia and its rising influence elsewhere have jangled nerves all over the Gulf. Britain has softened its hostility to Islamist parties and welcomed the new governments in Cairo and Tunis. In London on Tuesday, the Foreign Office minister, Alistair Burt, told an Abu Dhabi conference that the UK valued investment opportunities in the UAE but he made no mention of the call for a boycott.
In Whitehall, the Saudi statement was seen as "a shot across the bows" to ensure the government takes Saudi concerns seriously. "We are not naive or starry-eyed," said a Foreign Office spokesman. "We are realistic and we will judge people by their actions and not their words." Mike Gapes, a member of the FAC, said: "I am very surprised by this prickly Saudi reaction. I don't know whether this is a misunderstanding or there is some other agenda."
Chris Doyle, director of the Council for Arab-British understanding, said: "The Saudis have come out with all guns blazing, but they are totally overdoing it. Now the FAC report will have to be even more far-reaching than it would otherwise have been. Maybe one or two deals might not go Britain's way and someone will quietly make that known. But I don't think it will go further than that."
On Bahrain, the FAC said it was hard to find any "consistency of logic" in ministers' approach. Bahrain should have been included by the FCO on its list of "countries of concern" in the wake of the "brutal" suppression of anti-government protests last year. Saudi Arabia led a GCC force that intervened to help end them. Low-level unrest has continued since then.
Bahrain complains that it is facing Iranian-backed subversion, while the opposition accuses it of human rights abuses. Britain came under pressure to support calls for a boycott of the Formula One in April amid fears that it could be a catalyst for a renewed crackdown. Cameron refused, arguing "Bahrain is not Syria" and that reforms were under way. Last week the foreign secretary, William Hague, met Bahrain's crown prince, a more reformist figure than other members of the royal family. Hague urged him to implement the recommendations of an internal commission of inquiry. On the same day Bahrain also signed an agreement on military cooperation with the ministry of defence.
Trade apart, Britain's relations with Bahrain, Saudi Arabia and the other Gulf states matter because of their shared hostility to their powerful neighbour Iran, at loggerheads with the international community over its nuclear programme. Bahrain is also home to the US fifth fleet. The FAC has said its inquiry will look at how the UK balanced its interests in these countries in defence, trade, security, counter-terrorism and human rights. It is expected to be completed next spring.
Re: West Asia News and Discussions
Posted: 23 Oct 2012 02:35
by shyamd
brihaspati wrote:Funny - vey funny - confrontation already happened by 21st October at the time of "posting". "Source" actually predicted something that had already happened and info available publicly. But source took care to "predict" so that any details of the "confrontation" that has already happened doesn't have to be reported - unlike tweets of things as they are "happening" when it appears to go in favour of GCC or GCC posturings!!
Aahhh now the issue has changed from sources being "quiet" to "confrontation already happened on 21st Oct at the time of posting".
You obviously didnt bother to check the date (another convenient factual error) that I posted on 20th October - the day before the confrontation.

Re: West Asia News and Discussions
Posted: 23 Oct 2012 03:07
by brihaspati
shyamd wrote:brihaspati wrote:Funny - vey funny - confrontation already happened by 21st October at the time of "posting". "Source" actually predicted something that had already happened and info available publicly. But source took care to "predict" so that any details of the "confrontation" that has already happened doesn't have to be reported - unlike tweets of things as they are "happening" when it appears to go in favour of GCC or GCC posturings!!
Aahhh now the issue has changed from sources being "quiet" to "confrontation already happened on 21st Oct at the time of posting".
You obviously didnt bother to check the date (another convenient factual error) that I posted on 20th October - the day before the confrontation.

True - true - my error about your timings! Unlike you, I have no problem in acknowledging my errors. You on the otherhand never make any errors! But then you did not follow up with the report on the confrontation, which is curious. You are more keen on reporting even at tweet level on conflicts that may help GCC! Any special reason for this special treatment?
Re: West Asia News and Discussions
Posted: 23 Oct 2012 03:08
by brihaspati
Is your source saying anything about Yemen, and Bahrain for today? Or tomorrow?
Re: West Asia News and Discussions
Posted: 23 Oct 2012 03:10
by brihaspati
Anything on alleged chemical weapons lobbed at Bani Walid today by GCC +NATO supported Libyan militias?
Re: West Asia News and Discussions
Posted: 23 Oct 2012 04:14
by brihaspati
Okay, so the keywords match for this from Reuters on 20th October, and maybe this was the original source? Was it?

Some more information about the situation and background which the source didn't provide.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/ ... RH20121020
UPDATE 3-Kuwait opposition to boycott vote, calls for protests
Sat Oct 20, 2012 3:27pm EDT
* Kuwait has so far avoided "Arab Spring"
* Political crisis has held up development plans
* Opposition warns against "aggression" towards march
By Ahmed Hagagy
KUWAIT, Oct 20 (Reuters) - Opposition groups in Kuwait say they will boycott Dec. 1 parliamentary elections, calling changes to the voting system announced by the government on Saturday a "coup against the constitution".
Kuwait has been torn by a power struggle between the government, controlled by the ruling Al-Sabah family, and the elected parliament. The turmoil has blocked development plans and paralysed the political system. The Kuwaiti government, at an extraordinary meeting in Kuwait city of Saturday, ordered elections to held on Dec. 1, and decided to amended the election law to allow each voter to choose only one candidate instead of four.
The opposition, including Islamists, liberals and tribal figures who won a majority in the 50-seat parliament in the last election in February, rejected the changes and called for a protest march on Sunday, said Ahmed al-Dayen, an opposition politician.
Kuwait's oil wealth and a generous welfare state have helped it avoid the "Arab Spring" protests that forced out leaders elsewhere in the region. But there have been regular demonstrations in the country since last year.
Re: West Asia News and Discussions
Posted: 23 Oct 2012 04:29
by RamaY
US had drones flying over Bhengazi when the consulate was attacked
What is the reason for the paralysis?
- fear of another 'blackhock down'? Imagine a C130 crashing and greeners going crazy over them...
- fear of civilian deaths?
Interesting news coming out on the day BO is set to debate foreign policy with Romney.
ShyamD ji, any insight?
Re: West Asia News and Discussions
Posted: 23 Oct 2012 06:19
by brihaspati
Al Qaeda No. 2 in Yemen denies reports of his death-audio
October 22, 2012 09:51 PM (Last updated: October 22, 2012 09:52 PM)
By Rania El Gamal, Mohammed Ghobari
Reuters
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle ... z2A4ycvUfc
DUBAI: The top Saudi in al Qaeda's Yemen-based wing has apparently released an audio message denying reports he was killed last month, a group that monitors Islamist websites said on Monday. In the audio posted on jihadist websites on Sunday, a man identified as Said al-Shehri said reports of his death were fabricated and aimed to cover up the killing of civilians by U.S. drones, the U.S.-based SITE Intelligence Group said.
[...]
Shehri was freed by the U.S. authorities from detention at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, only to become second-in-command of Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP), has been reported killed before only to emerge unscathed.
Yemen's Prime Minister Mohammed Basindwa's media adviser Rajeh Bady told Reuters on Monday the audio "seemed authentic". "From start we had doubts that Shehri was killed and we became sure later on that he was still alive," Bady said.
[...] The Yemeni Ministry of Defence website said on Sept. 10 that Shehri and six other militants were killed during a Yemeni army operation in the remote Hadramout province in eastern Yemen. It gave no further details. But a Yemeni security source had said Shehri was killed in Hadramout by a U.S. drone, rather than by the Yemeni military. U.S. officials declined to comment on the drone strike report.
U.S. officials described Shehri as one of the most important al Qaeda-linked militants to be released from Guantanamo Bay detention facility, where he was taken in January 2002 after being handed over by Pakistan to U.S. authorities.
A former officer in Saudi Arabia's internal security force, Shehri allegedly joined al Qaeda and helped Saudi militants travel to Afghanistan via Iran, according to a classified Pentagon report made public by WikiLeaks.
Shehri was released to Saudi Arabia in 2007 and put through a Saudi rehabilitation program for militants. He later returned to the battlefield in Yemen and became AQAP's number two. Shehri was wanted by Yemen for a suspected role in a U.S. embassy attack in 2008.
(The Daily Star :: Lebanon News ::
http://www.dailystar.com.lb)
We are collaborating with his brethren still on duty in Saudi land for "expatriation" of Indian origin onlee terrorists - wanted by India, isn't it?
Re: West Asia News and Discussions
Posted: 23 Oct 2012 16:31
by shyamd
brihaspati wrote:
True - true - my error about your timings! Unlike you, I have no problem in acknowledging my errors.
Lol.. you have no choice but to acknowledge them in this case coz you got caught red handed - changing "timings" of my post and saying that "sources are quiet" when I had already posted.
You on the otherhand never make any errors!
Why thank you!
But then you did not follow up with the report on the confrontation, which is curious. You are more keen on reporting even at tweet level on conflicts that may help GCC! Any special reason for this special treatment?
I was actually going to follow up with the role of the House of Saud in the current Kuwait saga last night (which hasn't been spoken about) - an interesting topic but sadly, you choosing to twist what I say made me spend my precious time on answering back to your petty and childish behaviour.
Re: West Asia News and Discussions
Posted: 23 Oct 2012 16:38
by shyamd
RamaY wrote:
ShyamD ji, any insight?
Not really watching the Libya saga. The whole issue is a case of mismanagement (issues with contracts and so on).
But I'm watching Mali closely, US and France are about to launch an offensive. French have 4 workers kidnapped by AQIM there and are threatening to execute if France/west launch invasion with African Union. US is training the Moroccan's and have deployed drones in a Moroccan base - they are training the morroccan pilots to use the drones - rebuilding the infrastructure at the air force base.
Algeria is not allowing the US drones to use their airspace for drone attacks against AQIM.
Re: West Asia News and Discussions
Posted: 23 Oct 2012 18:04
by Austin
Syrian Conflict Part of Mideast 'Geopolitical Game' – Lavrov
It appears that every time the hope for progress in the Syrian situation arises, somebody attempts to prevent it from calming down and deliberately fuels the continuation of the bloodshed and civil war in Syria,” Lavrov said in an interview with Rossiiskaya Gazeta on Monday.
According to Lavrov, the Syrian conflict is “part of geopolitical remapping of the Middle East, where various players attempt to safeguard their interests.”
Assad, who is widely viewed as a close ally of Iran, has been unfairly made “a scapegoat” in this “big geopolitical game,” Lavrov said.
He defended Assad by calling him “a guarantor of the security of national minorities, among them Christians, who have been living in Syria for centuries.”
"By the most conservative estimates our Western partners quote in confidential contacts, he still enjoys support of at least a third of citizens as a man who vowed to prevent Syria's transformation into a state where minorities will be simply unable to live and exist," the Russian minister said.
Lavrov reiterated that foreign “recipes” would never provide a long-lasting and reliable solution to the Syrian conflict, and expressed hope that the visit of UN peace envoy Lakhdar Brahimi to Russia next week would help outline steps toward dialogue between warring parties in Syria.
Re: West Asia News and Discussions
Posted: 23 Oct 2012 19:12
by shyamd
KSA mulling over sending PSF troops into Kuwait.
Re: West Asia News and Discussions
Posted: 23 Oct 2012 21:37
by devesh
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle ... z2A88wJAX5
Most Turks oppose intervention in Syria if Assad falls: poll
A narrow majority of Turks is opposed to any intervention by their country in Syria if President Bashar al-Assad's regime falls, according to a poll published on Tuesday.
Fifty-one percent of people surveyed believe that Turkey, which shares a long border with Syria, must "remain impartial without favouring any side" in the Syrian crisis, according to the Edam Centre survey.
Eighteen percent of Turks surveyed think that Ankara must play the role of mediator among the conflicting sides, it said.
Ten percent of Turks believe that Turkey should send soldiers to Syria within the framework of a peacekeeping force that would be headed by the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation or the United Nations, it added.
The poll was carried out by the Edam Centre for Economic and Foreign Policy Studies and Research on a representative sample of 1,500 people.
Championing the cause of the Syrian opposition which has been calling for the ouster of the Assad regime since March 2011, Turkey has sheltered Free Syria Army rebel leaders and now hosts more than 100,000 Syrian refugees.
Tensions surged between the two former allies after a Syrian mortar bomb killed five Turkish civilians when it landed inside Turkey at the beginning of October.
Re: West Asia News and Discussions
Posted: 23 Oct 2012 22:21
by brihaspati
Ah, shyamd ji,
you are an old hand in the game of never acknowledging your errors even when you are caught redhanded. Top that with the childish and petty behaviour of crediting your personal sources with material filched from public domain sources - for which also you have been caught redhanded many times.
Acknowledging errors is a sign of adulthood, while sliminess in avoiding acknowledging is the real childish behaviour. By the way, do you have the maturity to own up to reporting both the latest Saudi-handover of the IM, and the Kuwait "action plan for Sunday" from public domain news channels, and not any special source of yours?
We will benefit much more from your focused attention on things that appear to show GCC in good light, if you honestly quote the public domain channels you use. Your selective editing of the news, while hiding the actual news channel, drops out other material even in the propaganda - that gives a lot of insight. Others could analyze the way those news items were being constructed - to extract very meaningful information.
I have a very long memory - I do remember how you twisted and lied about the no-Muslim trauma on Jews claim, and subsequently refused to acknowledge that you lied. So a request to stop this rather childish egoistic game. The very focus and inclination you have provides us with a great window into how GCC planners and their collaborators (if any) in other countries want to represent their intentions (which is what I among many others am interested in)- as long as you provide the real public domain sources you are using. Maybe you can at least do that for "Indian interests"?
Re: West Asia News and Discussions
Posted: 23 Oct 2012 22:32
by pentaiah
I dont understand why Romney winning strategy is being discussed here, I ponder to wonder.
Re: West Asia News and Discussions
Posted: 24 Oct 2012 19:44
by nakul
Syrian Rebels Have US Stinger Missiles - Russian General
Syrian rebels fighting President Bashar al-Assad's regime are now armed with man-portable air defense systems (MANPADS) including US-made Stingers, Russia's top military commander said on Wednesday.
Russia has "reliable evidence" that the rebels have the weapons, "including US-made Stingers," but "who delivered them, we need to look into," Army Headquarters General Nikolai Makarov said.
NBC news reported in August the rebels had been supplied with unspecified MANPADS, possibly initiated by Turkey, Saudi Arabia or Qatar which have repeatedly called for lending military support to the Syrian opposition.
Re: West Asia News and Discussions
Posted: 24 Oct 2012 20:55
by shyamd
brihaspati wrote:Ah, shyamd ji,
you are an old hand in the game of never acknowledging your errors even when you are caught redhanded. Top that with the childish and petty behaviour of crediting your personal sources with material filched from public domain sources - for which also you have been caught redhanded many times.
Lol. Feel free to assume. I've proved time and again info I get is ahead of the news.
Acknowledging errors is a sign of adulthood, while sliminess in avoiding acknowledging is the real childish behaviour. By the way, do you have the maturity to own up to reporting both the latest Saudi-handover of the IM, and the Kuwait "action plan for Sunday" from public domain news channels, and not any special source of yours?
Latest hand-over of the IM - which one?
Re: Kuwait - here is what I posted:
Source says Kuwait heading for confrontation from tomorrow as opposition parties boycott call for elections by the Emir. Possibility of Arab spring reaching the Gulf. The announcement of the amendment to the electoral laws is being seen as a domestic political earthquake
Not predicting anything my friend, as you can see I said it was after the event. Yawn, nice try at twisting things again.

We can all see what you are trying to do.
Re: West Asia News and Discussions
Posted: 24 Oct 2012 21:02
by Austin
Syria agrees to truce during Muslim holiday
The Syrian authorities have agreed to a truce during the Muslim holiday of Eid al-Adha, UN and Arab League peace envoy for Syria Brahimi has said.
Damascus is expected to officially announce its decision later today.
Lakhdar Brahimi said the agreement for a ceasefire during the Muslim holiday followed his visit to Damascus.
The holiday is to kick off Thursday and will last for three or four days, although the mediator didn’t expand on the terms of the truce.
Re: West Asia News and Discussions
Posted: 24 Oct 2012 21:04
by shyamd
They are getting through via the Jordanian border - funded by KSA, US is stopping from the north (turkish route). Jordan says we supply them now, we worry about them later.
Re: West Asia News and Discussions
Posted: 24 Oct 2012 21:06
by Austin
Sergei Lavrov calls Turkey to account
Who barred Russian consular officials from boarding the Syrian passenger jet en route from Moscow, which was forced to land in Ankara earlier this month? Russia wants to know the answer. And it also wants Turkey to publicly acknowledge that there were no weapons aboard the detained plane, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on Tuesday.
"According to Turkish newspapers, information that the plane was allegedly carrying weapons had been passed along by the Americans. The Turks would have never dared do such a thing, had they not trusted the Americans 100%. But as it turned out later, there were no weapons on board. The plane was carrying electrical equipment for radars – fully legal cargo not prohibited by any international conventions. The tip-off was actually meant to strengthen the Turkish-American ties with regard to Syria. But there is a mechanism of political consultations between Russia and Turkey. Having received such information, the Turks could have held consultations with Moscow and then the incident could have been prevented."
"Russia has been consistent in defending its point. As long as there is no real evidence that Iran is making nuclear weapons, no sanctions can be imposed on it. This contradicts international law. It’s very important for us to hold on to our position."
The shortest way to loose “eyes” and “ears” in Iran is to start bombing it, Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said. He cautioned against attempts to provoke Tehran to sever relations with the international community and order IAEA inspectors out of the country, and then there will be no information whatsoever as to what is really happening at Iranian nuclear sites. Regrettably, the events in Libya have shown that a military scenario in Iran is not implausible. Therefore, Russia will see to it that no UN Security Council resolution shall allow for any ambiguous interpretation as the Libya resolution, Lavrov said.
Re: West Asia News and Discussions
Posted: 24 Oct 2012 22:09
by shyamd
It will be interesting what happens to their position in crunch time next spring/summer if talks reach a dead end. They didn't sell the S-300 but gave the nod for the Bulgarians/Belarussians (can't remember which one) to sell the S-300 PMU which is an older version than what Iran requested.
Meanwhile Gulf forces are slated for a "massive" live fire exercise in Jan - Feb 2013 to send a message to Iran.
Re: West Asia News and Discussions
Posted: 25 Oct 2012 02:04
by shyamd
@rmslim: According 2one leader of military council only 30% of #FSA are former military officers & soldiers & that is a generous estimate #Syria
@rmslim: Military defections decreased a lot partly b/c of large amount of roadblocks regime put around barracks & military housing complexes #Syria
@rmslim: Civil activists either marginalized or co-opted by armed groups. Lack of political program is major obstacle in progress of rev #Syria
@rmslim: military decisions by some armed groups 2take war to cities done partly b/c of competition 4notoriety & resources #Syria #Homs #Aleppo
@rmslim: accdg 2activists I met w/ today from diff parts of Syria, #of IDPs, disappeared & dead in #Syria is vastly underestimated #Assad
@rmslim: Fragmentation & disunity found in both political & armed opposition working inside #Syria
@rmslim: Agendas of regional players incl #KSA, #Qatar & #Turkey contributing to further fragmentation of opp. #Syria
@rmslim: MB being resented by internal opp for their control of funds intended 4revolution & 4channeling weapons 2commanders they control #Syria
@rmslim: #SNC has ZERO credibility inside #Syria
Re: West Asia News and Discussions
Posted: 25 Oct 2012 03:16
by brihaspati
shyamd wrote:brihaspati wrote:Ah, shyamd ji,
you are an old hand in the game of never acknowledging your errors even when you are caught redhanded. Top that with the childish and petty behaviour of crediting your personal sources with material filched from public domain sources - for which also you have been caught redhanded many times.
Lol. Feel free to assume. I've proved time and again info I get is ahead of the news.
Acknowledging errors is a sign of adulthood, while sliminess in avoiding acknowledging is the real childish behaviour. By the way, do you have the maturity to own up to reporting both the latest Saudi-handover of the IM, and the Kuwait "action plan for Sunday" from public domain news channels, and not any special source of yours?
Latest hand-over of the IM - which one?
Re: Kuwait - here is what I posted:
Source says Kuwait heading for confrontation from tomorrow as opposition parties boycott call for elections by the Emir. Possibility of Arab spring reaching the Gulf. The announcement of the amendment to the electoral laws is being seen as a domestic political earthquake
Not predicting anything my friend, as you can see I said it was after the event. Yawn, nice try at twisting things again.

We can all see what you are trying to do.
Matches the reuters and some other English language Arab sources both in time and phrase usage. You don't realize the keywords and semantics usage too can be mined.
