Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 15 Dec 2013 00:49

SriKumar wrote:
chaanakya wrote:Letter of AK to SG of INC http://www.aamaadmiparty.org/sites/defa ... Gandhi.pdf
For those who cant read Hindi (or don’t want to dig into the letter by AK) here is a gist of the letter to Sonia Gandhi:

Tere’s a starting comment about how parties like Congress and BJP are corrupt and therefore caused the birth of AAP. AT the end, he mentions 18 key issues and at the end of EVERY single issue, he asks: “IS the congress party ready to give total support to this specific issue. He even adds: state your position clearly. No golmaal (the word is used), and no ‘in-principle’ support. Support must be total. Some paraphrasing done below....letter is quite long for an exact translation.

Issue no. 1: End of VIP culture in Delhi- No leader or minister or officer in Delhi govt. will have a red light on his car. And no special security. Some ‘parshad funds’ go directly to the mohalla (locaility).

No. 2: Jan Lokpal Bill: We want to pass the Lokpal bill and implement (?) it. Note that 15 years of congress rule and 7 years of BJP rule will be investigated for scams. If you support the bill, then if any of your party members get caught, you cannot try assist them/water down the issue.

Issue no. 3: ‘Swarajya in Delhi’: Freedom for localities/colonies/gallis in Delhi to make their own decisions and the govt. must agree

Issue no. 4: Delhi have parity in status with other states, reduction/elimination of Central govt. control over DDA and police.

No. 5: Audit of Electriity companies: Audit electricity companies for ‘ghotala’ …..revoke licenses for those companies that resist the audit.

No. 6: Investigate electricity companies for over-charging customers by setting the meters to run faster.

No. 7: Getting water to residences in Delhi:[ …long note on this….last line is]: AAP wants to give free water upto 700 liters. Anyone using more than that will have to pay for the entire water.

No. 8 Regularizing un-authorized colonies: Delhi has 30% of its colonies that are un-authorized and un-regulated. Past Cong. Govts have done nohting for them. We need to get them under regulation and provide required critical facilites…..(paraphrasing here).

No. 9: Slums in Delhi (jhuggi-bastiyaan): [long one…paraphrasing here]: one third of Delhi lives in slums. These people have no basic facilities…..et.c. …etc. [Last line]: AAP wants that all these residents be gven pukka homes (constructed houses) o easy terms and till such time they do not have that, do not destroy the slums and provide clean facilities (toilets)

No. 10:Something about regulated workers (doctors, nurses and other workers)….

No. 11: Trade and employment: Honest traders are at the mercy of govt. officials and inspectors and have to bribe them. VAT laws are complex and can be mis-used (paraphrasing here). We want to create an honest enviroment for honest traders so that they can conduct their business. [ …..there’s something equall inane about emplyoment]

No 12: AAP Is against bringing FDI (Foreign Direct Invesemtn) into Retail.

No. 13: (About) Villages in Delhi : There are 360 villages in and around Delhi that do farming. They need help and we should provide the same subsidies to them that are given to farmers in other states. No land can be taken away from these villages without approval from the gram-sabha. Basic facilities like hospital, bus service, staduim (!) should be provided. (Exclamation is mine).

No. 14: Education- Long para…..at the end: AAP plans to open more than 500 new schools.. We need to improve the standard of govt. schools over and above private schools and also eliminate the system of donation.

NO. 15: Health: There is a shortage of hospitals in Delhi. AAP will start new hospitals and its standard will be better than private hospitals.

NO. 16: Women’s safety: [This is short paragraph- mentioned in full]: A new women’s security force be created. Also, we should create new courts and add new judges such that all cases are tried within 3 to 6 months, with the punishment being most rigorous.

No. 17: Judiciary : [This is also a short para-mentioned in full]: Open new courts and appoint new judges such that all cases are tried within 6 months to 1 year. Corruption should also be tackled strongly.

No. 18: Support from Cental Govt.: AAP needs support from Central govt. for the above issues. AAP wants to know if your support will be limited to 8 MLAs in the Vidhan Sabha or will you also put pressure on the central govt. to support the citizens of Delhi.

Note: Some of the above are paraphrased. The translation is approximate.
After every issue is mentioned the question is asked: Will Congress support this issue whole-heartedly.

Show me the money!

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 15 Dec 2013 00:51

Most of AAP supporters I know are young educated professionals from low middle class to rich families from Dilli and areas around it. They'd have voted for BJP if AAP wasn't there. But a significant majority of these people will definitely vote for Modi over Arvind.

Like I said earlier in this thread, BJP needs to put up a more liberal and progressive face to dent AAP. It's not necessary to be populist and attract muslim vote. Just be willing to prove that BJP is not a bunch of right wing nut jobs who will ban alcohol, shutdown clubs or beat up couples on Valentine's Day. Many AAP volunteers who spent weeks of labour working for free will have another option in BJP if it's done. But with their regressive stance on article 377, they've alienated this constituency even more. All they needed to do was to keep their mouth shut, but Rajnath had to go full retard.

And what's wrong with letting homo-sexuals having right to exist anyway !

rajithn · Post by **rajithn** » 15 Dec 2013 00:55

I do believe we should not take AK lightly. There is something very crafty, and I will also go ahead and use the word sinister, going on. Kumar Vishwas, more than AK, needs to be watched.

AAP wanting to go to Gujarat, South India. Wouldnt you think they know as well as the rakshaks here that they will likely get decimated in Gujarat?

A lot of smoke and mirrors and i dont think we have the prescapacity, or a line to the insiders, on what the bigger game is. The shortest conclusion i gather is that there is at least one end result they are gunning for: Slow down NaMo to a point that he cant manage an absolute majority. I am sure all the players realise that is impossible to stop him.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 15 Dec 2013 01:14

jamwal wrote: Just be willing to prove that BJP is not a bunch of right wing nut jobs who will ban alcohol, shutdown clubs or beat up couples on Valentine's Day.

Just how many people do you know beaten up by the BJP for any reason?

arindam · Post by **arindam** » 15 Dec 2013 01:28

nageshks wrote:
jamwal wrote: Just be willing to prove that BJP is not a bunch of right wing nut jobs who will ban alcohol, shutdown clubs or beat up couples on Valentine's Day.
Just how many people do you know beaten up by the BJP for any reason?

A colleague of mine was heckled by BJP workers who was out with his girlfriend(wife now). He is from MP. If it was not for NaMo he would have voted for Cong(I) at center. Interestingly he is all praise for SSC and voted for him at the state level. Complex psychology. I asked him the reason but he carefully avoided. He is also well connected. His maternal grandfather(distant relation) was some big-shot in RSS.

It's a perception that has been slowly built up by the media and indeed there are few unfortunate souls. It IS there, can't ignore.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 15 Dec 2013 02:05

nageshks wrote:
jamwal wrote: Just be willing to prove that BJP is not a bunch of right wing nut jobs who will ban alcohol, shutdown clubs or beat up couples on Valentine's Day.
Just how many people do you know beaten up by the BJP for any reason?

For most people, Sangh Pariwaar = VHP =RSS = Bajrang Dal = BJP = Shiv Sena.
BJP needs to get it's image right for success with liberals. How hard it could be to distance themselves from the militant goons who go around imposing Talibani code on people ?

A few years back, even I didn't have much love for BJP even when I despised Congress.

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 15 Dec 2013 02:50

This AK talks of never dismantling slums & building pucca houses for them. Means everyone & their neighbors can come to Delhi from UP/Haryana/Bihar/Rajasthan take your pick and build a nice jhuggi on Government land and law enforcement can do diddly squat. This sootiya is directly encouraging grabbing of government land.

And when all this migration happens & slums are encouraged, actively encouraged & even celebrated, what happens to law & order? At the cost of political correctness, most of the crimes, specially rapes are done by slum dwellers - a majority of them Bangladeshis. So is their point about slums not in direct confrontation with their ideas on law & order and safety of women? And no idiot in MSM will ask them this either. We must ask the ladies of Delhi themselves, how they would feel with slums mushrooming left, right & center once this idiot comes to power.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 15 Dec 2013 02:59

rajithn wrote:I do believe we should not take AK lightly. There is something very crafty, and I will also go ahead and use the word sinister, going on. Kumar Vishwas, more than AK, needs to be watched.

AAP wanting to go to Gujarat, South India. Wouldnt you think they know as well as the rakshaks here that they will likely get decimated in Gujarat?

A lot of smoke and mirrors and i dont think we have the prescapacity, or a line to the insiders, on what the bigger game is. The shortest conclusion i gather is that there is at least one end result they are gunning for: Slow down NaMo to a point that he cant manage an absolute majority. I am sure all the players realise that is impossible to stop him.

Absolutely. That is the power of orange revolutions. They are sinister and destabilizing around the world. The whole discussion about AAP or Anna Hazare thread in the past is about whether India's democracy is capable to counter this orange revolution?

The country destroyers with hidden agenda comes to moholla and gathers the folks showing just their moholla and what they like by blinding them from the big picture agenda.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 15 Dec 2013 03:09

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 15 Dec 2013 03:48

arindam wrote:A colleague of mine was heckled by BJP workers who was out with his girlfriend(wife now). He is from MP. If it was not for NaMo he would have voted for Cong(I) at center. Interestingly he is all praise for SSC and voted for him at the state level. Complex psychology. I asked him the reason but he carefully avoided. He is also well connected. His maternal grandfather(distant relation) was some big-shot in RSS.

It's a perception that has been slowly built up by the media and indeed there are few unfortunate souls. It IS there, can't ignore.

Nothing related to your friend or AAP supporters.

Once (in 2008) I was staying in a hotel with my SHQ in Mumbai Bandra locality for about 10 days. We went to the cafeteria for morning breakfast and we were watching the folks there who are coming from their rooms for their breakfast. A girl and Mom are on next table with girl (in 20s) in Jeans and decent t-shirt and Mom dressed very aristocratic typically like the Goan community that is part of Bombay. Now suddenly about 15 kids (definitely in early 20s or late teens) came to the cafeteria for breakfast. They are on Mumbai tour or something like that. All of they are from some small town in Vidharbha. Nothing unusual (political/non political) but these kids are all very traditional with no special graffiti based T-shirts or jeans. There are both girls and boys with no special hair dos or hair styles and all of them are typical SDRE with traditional bindis and guys having tilak on foreheads. All of them speaking is Marathi.
Now this girl showed her TFTA ism and nodded her head in disappointment to see so many SDRE stuff who doesn't speak English/Hinglish and expected etiquette are surrounding here. She is very close to my table and I can overhear what she is saying. Shit, kaha.n kaha.n ke nomoone aathe hai. There is no place in the world left now.

This is another incident of some that I have seen in metros that keep reminding me of a short story written by Kushwant Singh. The story's title is karma. I suggest to read that story and it is about a Brown Saheb trying to travel by 1st class (reserved for goras only) and make her unsophisticated wife travel in 3rd class. A very nice short story.

What we are seeing is an expanding club of youngsters who likes life in one way and that is replica of west and that does not exist in India's past or in other vast locations of India. From a liberal perspective their way of life is their prerogative and they have all democratic rights to have their way. They just think that BJP is not their cup of tea no matter however you convince. Even if a team of BJP folks take them to a pub and explain they will not be convinced. For them they think they are TFTA and BJP is SDRE and nothing will change their perception even if BJP women leaders wears shorts and go for vote hopping in a pub or a coffee shop for lower middle classes. These classes always look for a pretext to prove their perception. If I am a congress man all I need to do is take about 10 persons and dress like Bhajarang Dal folks and go to pub and do some nonsense. For another 10 years this crowd got its proof towards building the perception. The mindset of this crowd towards BJP is like dog's tail and you can never straighten it.

It is just waste of time to spend energy on this class of voters. Plot to split it between INC, AAP or something else. Rally your bases to booths. Modi is the best BJP can give that shows governance results. If they still show reasons for not voting BJP then there is nothing much that can be done.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 15 Dec 2013 04:15

jamwal wrote: For most people, Sangh Pariwaar = VHP =RSS = Bajrang Dal = BJP = Shiv Sena.
BJP needs to get it's image right for success with liberals. How hard it could be to distance themselves from the militant goons who go around imposing Talibani code on people ?

A few years back, even I didn't have much love for BJP even when I despised Congress.

For most liberals, the VHP, the Bajrang Dal, etc are all just excuses not to vote for the BJP. They despise it for what it is - unwashed masses intruding into their little boudoirs. Most of them are horrifyingly snobbish, and they look down on anything Indian - it is just not chic enough for their tastes. Modi, in particular, is loathed because he has his own way, he has no use for the chatterati,and he is the proverbial bull in their China shop. They will never vote for him, no matter what. There are definitely a few exceptions, but they are just that, exceptions.

As for the VHP, RSS, etc, I don't know just how much campaigning you have done for the BJP, but let me assure you that whether it is fighting it out with the Congoons during booth management (believe me, they are appallingly ruthless when it comes to chasing off opponent booth managers - I imagine that SP, BSP, RJD, etc are even worse) or getting people to vote, and campaigning in old city mazes, it is these organisations that are invaluable. Having done more than my share of campaigning as long as I was in India, I can tell you that having three RSS members in a booth helping your voters is more reassuring than having a couple of dozen of the liberal chatterati (even if they can be bothered to do anything for the BJP). Once the pins start hitting the primers, these are the people to depend on, in every electoral exercise - from registering voters to getting them to the booth, and making sure they all vote.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 15 Dec 2013 04:57

RajeshA wrote:
ravi_g wrote:Guess I read too much into this guy's message. But is he one of us. Dharmicfundmentalist is also on the list of followers?
That would be me!

During Patna blasts he/she was making some informative tweets.

Actually she is the first one to post some relative connected to JD(U) was connected which proved right

sunnyP · Post by **sunnyP** » 15 Dec 2013 05:02

Rahul Mehta wrote:
Katare wrote:shame on you man! Sitting in comfort of your home calling a 70 year old man idiot, who is on hunger strike for 4 days to fight evil of corruption. What have u done for the country that earns you right to call anna and even ak idiots. I can see the idiot and its neither of them.
Neither Anna nor AK are idiots. They are very very cunning crooks. They are sharp, intelligent, focus, but both are anti-nationals.

Proof? Pls read Janlokpal-draft. The draft alone proves it. The draft gives all control over Indian executives and even MPs in the hands of 11 Janlokpals. So MNC-owners' task for taking over and finishing left over nationalists in Indian admin becomes simple. All MNC-owners need to do is to plant 11 of their agents as Janlokpals or buy them after they become Janlokpals. The whole Janlokpal-draft was tailored to facilitate MNC-owners and Missionaries. And in return, MNC-owners have AH\Anna what they wanted --- publicity, fame and possibly position (for AK). Anna is media hungry.

Basically, Anna\AK are like Duratma Gandhi. Duratma Gandhi sold out to British for same deal that Duratma Gandhi would campaign for proposals that would favor British interests and in return British would (1)pay for his Ashrams via Birla, Tata, Dalmia, Baja etc (2) buy him media space in ToI etc so that Duratma becomes no. 1 leader in India.

Details are in chap-45 of http://rahulmehta.com/301.htm

Hazare may he a bit misguided or naive at times but now he is an 'anti national crook' is he?

15 years in the Indian Army including battling on the front line during the 1965 war, admirable social work which transformed Ralegan Sidhhi and much more. If he is anti national in your books then I wish India had more anti nationals like him.

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 15 Dec 2013 05:09

RMji is the only patriot around - everyone else is a deshdrohi

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 15 Dec 2013 05:14

^^+1 exactly, nageshs garu.

I'm surprised even BRFites do == between a sri ram sene (pramod mutalik is a confirmed Cong mercenary) and a well-publicised pub attack and that pink chaddi nonsense etc to BJP.

The RSS folks are amongst the most disciplined, courteous and steadfast folks you'll see outside an OG uniform. Their booth presence and hard work is simply irreplaceable. There's a reason *no* other national party could emerge or sustain other than the BJP and a reason why the RSS is the mother ship of the BJP. (Hence, Ram Guha types' pet peeves about a BJP without the RSS i.e. a rootless and impotent one).

Would help if namo makes a general statement defending individual rights and liberties (right to v-day, for example) and leave it at that.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 15 Dec 2013 05:39

the rss needs an image makeover, pure and simple. modern generation is all about marketing and image. a rss group training in slick modern clothes = acceptable. khakhi uniform circa 1900s = not. similarly, its the less disciplined youth in associated orgs who cause an issue. i doubt RSS workers do the sort of crude moral policing some in latter orgs do. all it takes is one event caught on TV and image gets spread. muthaliks false flag op was a case in point.

Rahul Mehta · Post by **Rahul Mehta** » 15 Dec 2013 07:36

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Comer · Post by **Comer** » 15 Dec 2013 07:52

It is not a binary that "modern" people look down on BJP and "traditional" people vote for BJP. This is a bit of caricature like Manoj Kumar movies. Going by the posts here, the looking down happens from both sides, if at all. If the beer swilling guy looks down on BJP, BJP looks down the guy who will probably support the party. It needs to be a big tent.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 15 Dec 2013 08:01

X posting from SL thread.

Sri Lanka: Chidambaram’s Brave Bid to Clear Congress of anti-Tamil Image

Seeking to deconstruct a much-laboured criticism against the Congress in Tamil Nadu and at the national level for being 'anti-Tamil' in its approach to the Sri Lankan Tamils issue, Union Finance Minister and Senior Congress leader, P. Chidambaram, at a recent meeting in Chennai, argues that the 1987 Indo-Sri Lanka Accord, continues to offer the best possible solution to resolve the crisis and ensure a better deal for the island's Tamils.

Rarely does one openly witness the dilemma of a government's defence of itself unfolding as a counter-perspective, as was seen over the recent historical narrative about the travails of the ethnic Tamils in Sri Lanka and India's response to it.

When P. Chidambaram, Union Finance Minister and senior Congress leader from Tamil Nadu, sprung a surprise in Chennai on November 30 with a pro-active leap to pull his party out of the deep woods of ‘misperceptions’ over the Sri Lankan Tamils issue, it was this predicament that came to the fore, even as its ringing political overtones were unmistakable. The event, where some other senior State Congress leaders were more conspicuous by their absence, even seemed to exceed Mr. Chidambaram's initially stated intent that it was a sober soul-searching forum.
A Conference got up at short notice on the theme, “Livelihood rights of the Sri Lankan Tamils and the Indian Government’s stance” by Mr. Chidambaram’s supporters, may have partly helped the State Congress to retrieve itself from the negative categorisations that the national party has been long subjected to by the ideologues of the Dravidian movement for several years running. But more importantly, it seemed to open up an uncluttered channel for the first time in recent years to de-emotionalise the issue at the State level.
Barring the May 1991 elections in the immediate aftermath of India’s former Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi’s assassination on Tamil Nadu soil, Sri Lanka’s protracted ethnic crisis has hardly had any direct impact on electoral outcomes in Tamil Nadu in recent years for all the ‘umbilical cord’ metaphor passionately invoked by the pro-Tamil political parties and a fringe group of Tamil nationalists. Yet, Mr. Chidambaram's uphill task looked unenviable, seeking to make a larger political point in the run-up to the 2014 Lok Sabha polls with a hope to free this discourse from the clutches of competitive politics, so paradigmatic of Tamil Nadu these days.

Despite several other critical issues affecting the electorate here — erratic power outages, see-sawing petrol and diesel prices hitting the poor more, growing middle class anger over governance issues and so on — any election bhaashan (speech) would be ritually incomplete sans the Sri Lankan Tamils. This structural strand has turned thorny for the Congress as two serious charges continue to be thrown at the grand old party: 1. The Congress has ‘betrayed’ the Tamils cause, and 2. The Congress-led UPA Government at the Centre has done nothing or very little for the rehabilitation of the internally displaced Tamils in Sri Lanka after its armed forces decimated the Tamil terror outfit Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) in May 2009.

Mr. Chidambaram’s elaborate one-hour defence of the Indian Government’s approach to the Sri Lankan Tamils issue subtly rolled out multiple political objectives for the domestic setting as well. The ‘inclusiveness’ this approach entailed was something ‘only a Congress Government in Delhi could do’, as the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) was the first to stoutly oppose any resolution in Parliament earlier this year that sought to strongly come down on the Rajapaksha regime for its tardy progress on reconciliation and rehabilitation issues concerning the Tamils.

If that was Chidambaram joining issue with the BJP’s Prime Ministerial candidate, Mr. Narendra Modi, on a different front, the Congress leader with a touch-and-go reference to the Dravida Munnetra Kazhaga (DMK) patriarch, M. Karunanidhi, was also keeping the poll alliance door open for the DMK. The latter had snapped its ties with the ruling United Progessive Alliance (UPA) in March 2013 over the same issue in the wake of a U.S. resolution then at the United Nations Human Rights Council in Geneva.

Interestingly, with the DMK’s general council to meet in Chennai on December 15 to discuss its strategies for the coming Lok Sabha polls, Mr. Chidambaram skirted other issues pilloried as contentious by the major Dravidian parties, including the ruling All India Anna Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam (AIADMK) and the Marumalarchi Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam (MDMK), which oppose any cooperation with Colombo like training Sri Lankan armed forces personnel at Indian defence establishments.

At the other end, by solidly debunking the anti-Tamils charge laid at the Congress’ doors by the Dravidian parties, Mr. Chidambaram also obliquely laid the pitch for a possible new Congress-led alliance, inclusive of the actor Vijayakant-led Desiya Murpokku Dravida Kazhagam (DMDK) in Tamil Nadu, in the run-up to the 2014 polls, hoping it could take away the sting from an emotively polarised discourse on the island-Tamils issue in Tamil Nadu.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 15 Dec 2013 08:21

ravi_g wrote:http://indiatoday.intoday.in/video/pro- ... 31300.html

AK-47 coming down south - Bangalore and Hyderabad.

this will be an interesting experiment. even JP's wave never made it South. if AK, can pull it off, it is proof positive that mass social engineering in Urban India is bringing in Uniformity to Urban centers. uniformity of ideology and political beliefs. of the vacuum-ideology kind.

make no mistake, AK's ideology is just that: a vacuum ideology. he has no plank other than bash everybody for corruption. no preparation for what kind of solid steps to take to defend the nation against threats internal and external. no preparation for a positive expansive vision for India in the 21st century.

just corruption, corruption, corruption. a purely negative agenda of throwing dirt on everyone around.

it will be interesting to see if AAP can become a force in the South. and further, it will be interesting to see what these guys will do when they come to power.

also, note that these guys are limiting themselves to urban areas. in effect, they will never come to power in any of the States b/c they will be limited to cities. so, neither AK nor AAP has any plan to actually take up responsibility of governing. they simply want to be a menace for the sake of being it. but they are dangerous precisely because they can shake and topple administrations without ever having to take up that responsibility by themselves.

Rahul Mehta · Post by **Rahul Mehta** » 15 Dec 2013 08:24

Muppalla wrote: AAP voters are:

(1) staunch congress voters (20%)

(2) even though I hate congress , I have to nuke BJP because it is anti-modern and anti-western and the idiots sport tilak on the forehead and sing a boring Vandmataram and on top of that they keep saying Bharat Mata Ki Ji. They oppose valantines day, pub culture and have to be hated. (50%)

(3) A very miniscule/extremely meagre independent thinkers who think this one can actually remove corruption from the face of India (10%) [In this one falls some who would vote to BJP in the absence of AAP]

(4) Those folks who thinks India starts from one end of their street to other end of the street and rest is all foreign (20%) ....

NaMo was trying to get (2). But now they may all go with AAP. Depends on the extent to which MNC-owners decide to project AAP.

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Rahul Mehta: Neither Anna nor AK are idiots. They are very very cunning crooks. They are sharp, intelligent, focus, but both are anti-nationals. Proof? Pls read Janlokpal-draft. The draft alone proves it. The draft gives all control over Indian executives and even MPs in the hands of 11 Janlokpals. So MNC-owners' task for taking over and finishing left over nationalists in Indian admin becomes simple. All MNC-owners need to do is to plant 11 of their agents as Janlokpals or buy them after they become Janlokpals. The whole Janlokpal-draft was tailored to facilitate MNC-owners and Missionaries. And in return, MNC-owners have AH\Anna what they wanted --- publicity, fame and possibly position (for AK). Anna is media hungry. Basically, Anna\AK are like Duratma Gandhi. Duratma Gandhi sold out to British for same deal that Duratma Gandhi would campaign for proposals that would favor British interests and in return British would (1)pay for his Ashrams via Birla, Tata, Dalmia, Baja etc (2) buy him media space in ToI etc so that Duratma becomes no. 1 leader in India. The details are in chap-45 of http://rahulmehta.com/301.htm

sunnyP: Hazare may he a bit misguided or naive at times but now he is an 'anti national crook' is he? 15 years in the Indian Army including battling on the front line during the 1965 war, admirable social work which transformed Ralegan Sidhhi and much more. If he is anti national in your books then I wish India had more anti nationals like him.

Well, AAP people say same thing about AK. IITK graduate, if he had gone to USA, he would have been making $400,000/yr today atleast . Had he been in IRS, he would have made Rs 100 crore by now.

Well, Anna may have been good guy when he joined Army and till he left Army. But people change. And fame-hungry and power-hungry people are almost always stay away from dirty money or even even money to keep a sagely image. The real fall comes, when after years and decades of work, they get no fame and no power. Thats when they develop hatred for commons, and promptly join the dark side i.e. foreigners aka MNC-owners. Both Anna and AK have same profile. They stayed away from money, toiled for years with hope to get fame/power or both, and got nothing, and so both became Ford Foundation agents and started movement for MNC-pal aka "Janlokpal with NO Right to Recall Janlokpal" .

Now, I believe you havent read even one line of the Anna's Janlokpal bill. Pls read the whole 40 page draft or as much as you can. You will easily see the goal behind the draft is to create an oligarchy of Janlokpals so that MNC-owners can control India with ease. They only need to control 11 Janlokpals - the colloquial "bhoot ki choti". Now you may not have read Janlokpal, but volunteers across India informed Anna about this fatal flaw in Janlokpal. But Anna could not care less. He was mad mad mad mad after paid-media coverage. And so told volunteers (I am quoting exact words that volunteers told me) "yeh saari technicality bhool jao ; sirf ek hee kaam karo --- janlokpal kaa prachar karo " i.e. forget all technicalities, do only one thing, campaign for Janlokpal. Essentially, this fame hungry freak wanted to convert all volunteers into slogan shouting machines carrying his pix round the clock !!

Anna knew the whole game. he also knew that AK and Prashant Pradushan wanted to form a political party. AK, Shanti Pradushan, Prashant Pradushan, Santosh Hegde etc are known Congress agent. Still he went with them because he wanted publicity at any cost. Anna also supported AK's demand that Kiran Bedi should NOT be put in Lokpal draft committee which was formed on 8-apr-2011. Basically, Anna was NOT "misguided". He is too cunning to get misguided. He deliberately did all this to get fame. The details are in chap-45 of http://rahulmehta.com/301.htm

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suryag wrote:RMji is the only patriot around - everyone else is a deshdrohi

I have rhino-skin, and I am immune to all sarcasm. But my volunteers have been asking BJP leaders, Anna, AK, Subramanian Swamy and everyone you can think of to make a loud public cry to release census-2011 population numbers of Hindus, Muslims etc. And guess what we have till date? A pin drop silence. So I wont mind your sarcasm. But can YOU ask all BJP leaders, S Swamy, Anna , Mohan Bhagatwat etc to release census-2011 numbers? Because thats when you will see their patriotism and true colors. Now anyway, BJP does want the numbers to come out in jan-2014, but not earlier. So they may make a demand very soon. But it is fact that BJP leaders also supported suppression of the data till now. And Anna\AK also both supported Congress proposals to suppress the numbers till jun-2014. Now you can guess how much money Congress\BJP\CPM etc MPs got from Saudi Arabia to suppress these numbers. And how much crores of media-publicity did Anna\AK got from Saudi Arabia to suppress these numbers. You may guess Rs 0 or Re 1 or any guesses you like. But please dont blame vote bank politics ( 17 > 72 ) or secularism for this silence. This silence is 100% paid silence, not borne out of votes or any ideology.

jamwal wrote:For most people, Sangh Pariwaar = VHP =RSS = Bajrang Dal = BJP = Shiv Sena.
BJP needs to get it's image right for success with liberals. How hard it could be to distance themselves from the militant goons who go around imposing Talibani code on people ? A few years back, even I didn't have much love for BJP even when I despised Congress.

Where ever BJP-leaders become firm, they weaken VHP\BD workers. Eg In Gujarat VHP\BD workers are in shambles. And in MP\Chhatisgadh also, they are now weakening. In Rajasthan it is strong and now now will soon be weakened. In UP, BJP-leaders are adding a lot of resources to VHP\BD, but if and once BJP-leaders get a strong saddle in UP, BJP will finish HP\BD too.

VHP\BD workers do the dirty work of bringing BJP leaders into power. When BJP leaders are out of power, they dont get police protection, and can also become victims of Islamists. Thats when BJP leaders use VHP\BD workers to work --- for protection as well as fight against Islamists. But once BJP leaders themselves come in power and get a firm grip, the FIRST thing they do is weaken VHP\BD workers.

FYI, it was VHP\BD workers who brought BJP-leaders to power in dec-2002 Gujarat elections. Without them, BJP would have lost bitterly. And today, VHP workers are rotting in prison, and dont even have money to pay lawyers and support family members. But then, politics is never fair.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 15 Dec 2013 08:34

Rahul Mehta wrote: But my volunteers have been asking BJP leaders, Anna, AK, Subramanian Swamy and everyone you can think of to make a loud public cry to release census-2011 population numbers of Hindus, Muslims etc. And guess what we have till date? A pin drop silence. So I wont mind your sarcasm. But can YOU ask all BJP leaders, S Swamy, Anna , Mohan Bhagatwat etc to release census-2011 numbers? Because thats when you will see their patriotism and true colors. Now anyway, BJP does want the numbers to come out in jan-2014, but not earlier. So they may make a demand very soon. But it is fact that BJP leaders also supported suppression of the data till now. And Anna\AK also both supported Congress proposals to suppress the numbers till jun-2014.

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Where ever BJP-leaders become firm, they weaken VHP\BD workers. Eg In Gujarat VHP\BD workers are in shambles. And in MP\Chhatisgadh also, they are now weakening. In Rajasthan it is strong and now now will soon be weakened. In UP, BJP-leaders are adding a lot of resources to VHP\BD, but if and once BJP-leaders get a strong saddle in UP, BJP will finish HP\BD too.

VHP\BD workers do the dirty work of bringing BJP leaders into power. When BJP leaders are out of power, they dont get police protection, and can also become victims of Islamists. Thats when BJP leaders use VHP\BD workers to work --- for protection as well as fight against Islamists. But once BJP leaders themselves come in power and get a firm grip, the FIRST thing they do is weaken VHP\BD workers.

FYI, it was VHP\BD workers who brought BJP-leaders to power in dec-2002 Gujarat elections. Without them, BJP would have lost bitterly. And today, VHP workers are rotting in prison, and dont even have money to pay lawyers and support family members. But then, politics is never fair.

Fully agree with RMji's points above (and only what is written above).

I maybe a namo fan and all but am neither blind nor dumb to inconsistencies I can see in the BJP's katithi and karni...

vic · Post by **vic** » 15 Dec 2013 08:47

Let me give an alternative view against all this AAP bashing:-

NAMO has consolidated BJP voters who were drifting from BJP

AAP is Middle Class inspired but will actually rob Congress of it's Muslim & Dalit vote base.

After General elections 2014, it is possible, NAMO comes to power and Congress dis-integrates due to AAP

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 15 Dec 2013 09:00

vic wrote:Let me give an alternative view against all this AAP bashing:-

NAMO has consolidated BJP voters who were drifting from BJP

AAP is Middle Class inspired but will actually rob Congress of it's Muslim & Dalit vote base.

After General elections 2014, it is possible, NAMO comes to power and Congress dis-integrates due to AAP

Vic-ji,
The problem is not the electoral performance of the AAP. They are unlikely to win much in the Lok Sabha - no one really believes they will come to power, and consequently, not many will vote for them. But they are controlling too much of the discourse. We were just beginning to get out of the wall to wall leftist propaganda, when it has received a fresh lease of life, courtesy the AAP. Their real problem is that they may just create enough FUD to steer the discourse where our leftist media wanted it to go.

VinayB · Post by **VinayB** » 15 Dec 2013 09:09

In the mission to split anti-congress votes going to BJP, it is important for AAP to be seen as winning seats. Otherwise people will worry about wasting their anti-congress vote. That was achieved.

But the fallout was a hung assembly. This nullifies the perception gained in winning seats.

The fear of a hung parliament will drive anti-congress vote back to BJP. AAP are playing tricks to avoid responsibility for that, but people dont have time for that nuances.

after BJP refused to form a minority Govt and took moral high ground, only option left for INC in the moral game, was to offer unconditional support.

AAP forming government with INC support will drive anti-congress votes back to BJP. This will make the charge of 'B-team of congress' stick. (I believe that is really the case, but the players need to conceal it).

Will be interesting to see how they come out of this. If the LtGovernor pulls the plug on the drama, that can be the excuse. But again, people dont have the time for such nuances. If they want to vote out congress and they see hung verdict with AAP, they are not going to waste their vote.

So in summary, looks like BJP got the best outcome here.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 15 Dec 2013 09:31

Post-poll lessons for the winners, and whiners M. J Akbar
http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.co ... nd-whiners

The significant national story from Delhi is the continuing migration of Muslims away from Congress. In the capital, a huge chunk went to AAP. In Madhya Pradesh and Rajasthan, a sizeable number of Muslims took a further step and voted for BJP. This was not huge, but that it happened at all is remarkable. It may even have turned an expected BJP victory into an unexpected sweep. Muslims responded to experience; their reasons were rational, not emotional. MP CM Shivraj Singh Chouhan did not discriminate against their community in his signature schemes like Kanyadan Yojana and Ladli Laxmi, and he prevented communal riots with efficient administration. Rajasthan Muslims know Vasundhara Raje, and judge her to be fair. The overall message is simple. Muslims are tired of illusory favours. They want equality. They are fed up with hypocrisy.

How did this shift take place despite the presence of Narendra Modi as BJP’s nominee for PM? Change invites change, albeit sometimes in imperceptible degrees. The key might be called the Patna moment. Every politician prepares for an important speech; but no one can prepare a speech for a sudden crisis. When bombs went off in the middle of Modi’s oration at the Gandhi maidan, his response became the acid test. He could have become provocative under pressure. Instead, he delivered his best lines. Impoverished Hindus, he said, had a choice — they could either fight poverty or they could fight Muslims. And impoverished Muslims could fight Hindus, or they could fight poverty. That summed up the mood of the nation, and calmed even those Muslims who did not want to believe what they heard.On a parallel, uncoordinated level, Muslim leaders have begun to speak up against the politics of fear that has herded the community into one direction on voting day. Deoband’s Maulana Mahmood Madani, a leading Sunni leader, did not endorse Modi on a visit to Jaipur, but told Congress to stop threatening Muslims with one bogey after another. Shia cleric, Maulana Kalbe Jawwad, came to Delhi from Lucknow on the eve of election day to advise Muslims that they should not vote for either Congress or BJP. The second option hardly needed his exhortation, but the first did.Simple numbers do not always explain the complexity of facts; statistics indicate what happened, not why. India seethes when every Indian is angry. We have got a glimpse in 2013. We shall see the full face of anger in 2014.

subhamoy.das · Post by **subhamoy.das** » 15 Dec 2013 09:38

As i said before - PAAP is sandwitched between the devil and the deep sea. But I did like 1 of their 18 demands - put up so many judjes and courts that no case take more than 1 year. But BJP seems to be luke warm to this. If we can fast track our legal system then only real democracy will come in and corruption and absue of power - a leagcy of the british system - will get eradicated in quickly.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 15 Dec 2013 09:40

^^Are jhujar ji, the best lines are in the first para... very perceptive and homes in exactly in what it was NM was bringing to the BJP as an org...

In the great toss-up between perception and evidence, the former generally wins. Conventional wisdom, for instance, suggests that unity within a party brings victory. Reality: It is the scent of victory that encourages unity. When crowds recede in an election campaign, leaders squabble and search for alibis. Tensions become septic after results. Witness the blistering attack on Digvijay Singh by a former Congress spokesman. As for alibis, top marks to the Rajasthan Congress leader who blamed the Election Commission for encouraging voters to turn up.

With NM came credibility and with cred came the scent of a possible victory (even if against odds) and with that came unity - witness the non-rebellion of Vijay Goel at the promotion of Dr HV as CM candidate... Same story in Rajasthan where Raje's last term was marked by factions and fractitious feuds, this time, the rebels melted away totally because the scent of victory was thick and strong.

A united party in the BJP has spurred the opposite in the INC. The stench of coming defeat is sure to get more squabbles and baubles bubbling to the surface of the cong cesspool... get beer and popcorn maachaan...

subhamoy.das · Post by **subhamoy.das** » 15 Dec 2013 09:45

Good that more and more Indians are seeing the power of empowerment and the perils of appeasement. NAMO is poster boy of empowerment.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 15 Dec 2013 10:22

Like said few months ago, Namo Narayan have already chnage the rules of the governing game and elections have not happened yet. He has laid the foundation fore whole new Indian edifice to be build in next few years. We shall reach the Mountain top and throw the hypocirtes PSeudos down in the valley of Jinns and ghosts.

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 15 Dec 2013 10:38

jamwal wrote:Most of AAP supporters I know are young educated professionals from low middle class to rich families from Dilli and areas around it. They'd have voted for BJP if AAP wasn't there. But a significant majority of these people will definitely vote for Modi over Arvind.

Like I said earlier in this thread, BJP needs to put up a more liberal and progressive face to dent AAP. It's not necessary to be populist and attract muslim vote. Just be willing to prove that BJP is not a bunch of right wing nut jobs who will ban alcohol, shutdown clubs or beat up couples on Valentine's Day. Many AAP volunteers who spent weeks of labour working for free will have another option in BJP if it's done. But with their regressive stance on article 377, they've alienated this constituency even more. All they needed to do was to keep their mouth shut, but Rajnath had to go full retard.

And what's wrong with letting homo-sexuals having right to exist anyway !

Lets get homosexuals out of the way first. There is nothing wrong in their existence. RNS is not a Messiah that he must be followed.

Now the Valentine, Booze, Clubbing etc. Some months back I was doing some netting for south karnataka. A lot of complaints were being made about Sanghis there but turned out that it had more to do with the media blowing out of proportion one incident and abusing a few normal protests, that had a political rationale for the Sanghis and mixing the whole thing with one unrelated church burning. Ending up creating a toxic pus. There was one over active Sanghi who was shown the door for not being disciplined enough to have been able to control his protest. And I will tell you find me one man with Sangh Sympathies who will not ask you to enforce law at such places.

The argument about this 'AAP volunteers who spent weeks of labour' is something that AAP sympathizers bring in to establish their commitment quotient. Not branding you to take away your political freedom to ID yourself. But the fact is this is a complete bull argument. A lot of these people were out of town people and they converged onto the city just when a lot of Pakis and EJ converged on the news sites & SM which was exactly when the MSM went ballistic and the white donations picked up. My assessment is these visitors were beefed up by local university students and a few Harayana and UP based boys. What is not realized while bringing this argument in, is that a lot of parties can bring far more of these visitors in. Its just that these parties had not planned on bringing the circus in because they had mostly not made up their mind about the campaign and were justifiably focusing in the bigger states. AAP was a new phenomena and nobody knew what level of effort is required to manage it. The AAP backers had the benefit of initiative and they managed without opposition. This is not going to be the case at any place outside the metros, since most to India requires far more legwork than Delhi. Besides the MSM brainwashing is not as prevalent outside Delhi.

Though I agree with one inherent apprehension in your post. BJP must work better with the youth in the universities. ABVP must be tasked with bombarding the DU with all the info available. The polarization must be achieved between BJP vs. the rest in Delhi. AK-47 did a reverse polarization that catered to the baser instincts of the delhi mango man. However in any functioning society the likelyhood of finding stronger healthy members is greater. People who are not susceptible to 'All others are corrupt and I am the best advisor' syndrome. Yes, BJP must make efforts to coordinate the efforts of and reach out to these stronger willed people.

The reality is in a bottom up Sanatan structure there is a mix now of a Top down Sangh structure. In such a structure, from time to time some people from within the Sangh overplay their hands. Even political workers are human with all to human failings. But do you see Sangh as such ranting and cavorting about 377 or Booze or other modern concerns. No because that is not where they want to focus. Their laundry list is different. I myself bear a sympathies for RSS, then VHP then BD and then only with BJP. This part of my sangh sympathies are driven so because of the Sanatan quotient. I know BJP deals with influences that corrupt easily and despite everything, based on a law of averages I never give NaMo more than 10 years in sensible politics. LKA gave us that much and he did his job. Now its NaMo's turn. Tomorrow it will be somebody else. BD deals with only physical prowess and confrontation and that too can cloud thought. VHP deals primarily with Hindu Dharm and Sant Samaj and in the absence of other facilities can easily deteriorate into an old boys club but they have at least a culture quotient which BD will forever lack. RSS being the parent body has a mix that becomes even more loosely associated with these subsets. The point is Sanghies have been successful thus far only because they have allowed for a natural culture to grow and they need to carry this forward. In this natural culture there will be people who understand that gays should have a right to exist or that JLP bill is the next best thing to tubed toothpaste. Similarly there could also be people who see all this gayness, JLP etc. as only a show-shae-baazi (pretense).

Let me suggest a simpler way of understanding people (TIFWIW). Got to be careful with the following guys (achtung baby):
Klesha = conflict between two speeches/thoughts.
Klesha = conflict between two deeds.
Klesha = conflict between one speech and its logical extension into deeds.

Sangh has mostly come out reasonably well on these counts - Both from the Hindu perspective as well as from a National perspective.

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 15 Dec 2013 11:09

I came across a few instances of CT that AAP is a false flag by BJP. A B-Team of BJP.

I also had the same belief initially when I had not confronted AAPtards with datapoints. Perhaps that is how even Delhi BJP saw it initially, as a vote cutter for Congress. But tell me something. BJP and the larger Sangh had quite clearly sent out signals that NaMo and his junior Harshvardhan, are their men on the bridge.

Please bear in mind the following facts that form the background :

1) that ever since Marathas turned the Mughal Badshah into pensioner with rule extending to Meharauli. Since those days you have never had a Man of Delhi manning the country. It has forever been the otherway round. That is why NaMo clearly said that the Sarkar has of Delhi has only so much work and yet it keeps pointing fingers at others.

2) no sarkar not even BJP can allow Delhi to become a Hyde Park for the paid agents of interested parties. Hence no way is the CM of Delhi ever going to amount to much.

3) Delhi is the clearing house city for the whole country - for black money transactions. Bombay for white money. Hence every power broker wants delhi.

4) Adjusting for the MSM dependency factor, Delhi is the city that has evolved the most politically compared to the rest of India and has the least amounts of core votes for every side. People change political loyalties in Delhi, like they are extending some favor to the rest of the country by doing that.

In such a scenario you believe that its worthwhile for NaMo to do a false flag by propping up AAP instead of asking voters to bet on BJP directly especially when BJP is strong here. UP or perhaps TN may be understandable with this strategy where BJP is weak. But is it justifiable in Delhi? Why move with a proxy in Delhi when you can deal with the beneficial owner? There are a lot of people who have suggested this thing that BJP propped up AAP. Sangh sympathizers in Delhi, had in the absence of an active Delhi-BJP decided to throw in their lot with Anna ji but that was not for Jan Lok Pal Bill. That was for the generic corruption and mis governance issue. This dried up as soon as IAC was abandoned and AAP was formed.

My take - AAP took the 31% NaMo supporters and fooled them into handing out the high profile Delhi to Congress.

My speculation - Congress minions will act under instructions not to allow passage of JLP. Anna will be sabotaged by MSM and e-Narega crowd. Kejriwal will be turned into a new Gandhi and AAP will soon come to a city near you to try to kick the same game into action.

My suggestion - Pre-empt the sorry ....

Sridhar K · Post by **Sridhar K** » 15 Dec 2013 11:26

From todays Dinamalar, alliance with MDMK is confirmed and so does the one with PMK. The talks are ongoing with DMDK. Capt. Is not recociled with DMK as he has rebuked the olive branch extended by Dr.Artiste recently. Venkaih Naidu is also holding consultation with DMK but looks like it wont happen. BJP is also trying to rope in Dalit parties and Indian Muslim munnettra kazhagam. Few padres have joined BJP from south TN a few weeks back. It seems the alliance will be called the real secular coalition.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 15 Dec 2013 11:29

all these for a seat or two.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 15 Dec 2013 11:52

Between Lokpal and Delhi polls, Kejriwal is in a hard place

He may call it a Jokepal and insist that Anna Hazare is being misled, but as things stand now, Arvind Kejriwal has been in no uncertain terms, unceremoniously dumped from the movement he helped to start.

A shock press conference by Congress vice President Rahul Gandhi in which he vowed to get the 'important' bill passed this winter session of Parliament, and appealed to all political parties to put aside "little differences" to ensure its smooth passage before 20 December, seemed to be the last nail in the coffin of Kejriwal's involvement in the movement.

Following the press conference Anna Hazare professed himself happy with the draft of the bill.

First batting unambiguously for the LGBT community and now pushing RaGa front and center on Lokpal bill .. seems to me that INC has decided to target the yuppie crowd that propelled Hazrat to his pinnacle. That clearly is a signal that CON is not going to let this slice of urban voter go to AAP uncontested.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 15 Dec 2013 11:54

Saurav Ganguly has declined BJP ticket. OK, his decision. I respect it. BUt sala, yeah, did expect more from the man who was never too shy to wear his thoughts on his sleeve.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 15 Dec 2013 11:55

Lok Sabha polls: Congress shortlists Nandan Nilekani for Bangalore South

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 15 Dec 2013 12:08

Rahul Gandhi makes pitch to 'own' Lokpal bill

In a move to seek political copyright over the legislation, Rahul addressed a rare press conference and asserted that the process to create a powerful Lokpal is "99% complete" and appealed to holdouts like Samajwadi Party to put aside "little differences" so that Parliament passes the landmark legislation by December 20 when the winter session ends.

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BJP's unstinted support for the bill, despite reservations about some specific provisions, attested to Rahul's "we-are-almost-there" optimism about the prospect of the Lokpal bill going through, but without constituting a guarantee of its trouble free passage in the Rajya Sabha on Monday and, later, in the Lok Sabha.

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Saturday's remarks were the Gandhi scion's third significant intervention beginning with his rubbishing the ordinance to protect convicted lawmakers from disqualification, followed by his statement in support of gay rights earlier this week.

Rahul's remarks - along with Congress chief Sonia Gandhi's criticism of the Supreme Court ruling re-criminalizing same sex relationships - look like a clear attempt to reconnect with a liberal, progressive image that took a beating over corruption scandals and inflation.

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Disclaimers notwithstanding, timing of the Congress leader's media interaction is bound to be viewed in the light of a deepening dread in the party that it has lost support of the vocal middle class as well as traditional vote bases like urban poor, tribals and dalits.

I think the effort is on by CON to replace Hazrat with RaGa as the savior for vocal middle class liberals. The fog will clear by next week.

VinayB · Post by **VinayB** » 15 Dec 2013 12:30

Hari Seldon wrote:^^Are jhujar ji, the best lines are in the first para... very perceptive and homes in exactly in what it was NM was bringing to the BJP as an org...

With NM came credibility and with cred came the scent of a possible victory (even if against odds) and with that came unity - witness the non-rebellion of Vijay Goel at the promotion of Dr HV as CM candidate... Same story in Rajasthan where Raje's last term was marked by factions and fractitious feuds, this time, the rebels melted away totally because the scent of victory was thick and strong.

A united party in the BJP has spurred the opposite in the INC. The stench of coming defeat is sure to get more squabbles and baubles bubbling to the surface of the cong cesspool... get beer and popcorn maachaan...

Swapan Das Gupta had written in his blog both before and after the 2009 elections, that RSS members sabotaged BJP's chances in Rajasthan.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 15 Dec 2013 13:04

Now, RSS and the Pariwar sensed that they have a real chance of making one of their worker rule the nation for a couple of decades. They are all behind him. Further last 10 years are real eye openers for non traditional bjp voters who are dharmic that nation will be destroyed if dharmic forces do not rule.

They all see present effort to bring dharmic rule. NM is a leader and product of this desire. Hence the wave behind.