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Re: Indian Economy News & Discussion - Nov 27 2017

Posted: 12 Jun 2023 13:44
by Manish_P
Vips wrote:Five states may miss 2024 tap water deadline.
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“However, it is none of their fault," the official added. “It is such a big project. While our national average was 16%, many of these states started with the initial level of 1-2%."
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Yes of course. How irresponsible of the other states to not stay at 1-2% level :roll:
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“Though the scheme’s funding is divided 50:50 among states and the Centre, weak fund arrangement capacity by some of these states needs to be taken into account."
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The dude states this and then still insists that it's not the states fault! :roll:

Re: Indian Economy News & Discussion - Nov 27 2017

Posted: 12 Jun 2023 18:28
by Pratyush


India is now the world's 5 largest economy.

Re: Indian Economy News & Discussion - Nov 27 2017

Posted: 15 Jun 2023 12:10
by Mollick.R
India Seen As Major Beneficiary As Supply Chains Migrate From China: Morgan Stanley
Story by IANS • Yesterday 1:22 pm

More global companies are taking supply chain diversification seriously. Companies are increasingly highlighting the benefits of 'friend-shoring' their supply chains in order to better insulate from geopolitical challenges. "We see India, Mexico and Southeast Asia as best positioned for this transition. India and Mexico are two economies that stand to benefit from increasingly local supply chains," Morgan Stanley said in a report.
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Morgan Stanley economists have written extensively on the economic and industrial benefits that are beginning to accrue in economies where supply chains are migrating.

"In India we see a tripling of the manufacturing base by 2031 with its share of GDP rising from about 16 per cent to 21 per cent over the same time horizon. In Mexico, we estimate a potential net gain of approximately 30 per cent in exports to the US over a period of five years; this trend appears to be well underway as Mexico-US trade is now level with China-US trade. The associated rise in investment and manufacturing could help raise Mexico's potential GDP from 1.9 per cent to 2.4 per cent, over the next five years, according to our models," the report said.

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Much of the structural shift in the level of global trade in the 1990s and 2000s is explicitly linked to the construction of modern China, an event in a long history that we would consider a one-off and exceptional rather than a normal trend.

"China entering the global economy is a historic event that cannot be replicated because neither India, Indonesia, the Philippines, nor any other emerging market economy has the same gap to close from a value or volume standpoint that China made up between 1990 and 2010," the report said.

The de-risking process from China will progress slowly, and most tech hardware production that leaves China will flow to Southeast Asia and India, not North America.

China presently accounts for $4.9 trillion manufacturing GDP out of a total of $14.2 trillion (34 per cent).

Based on a potential loss of international production and exports, an estimated $846 billion of manufacturing output could be seen to be at risk -- the equivalent of 6.0 per cent of the global total..
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"Some countries would see significant growth gains: In principle, we believe that the countries making 'share gains' would be the US, India (doubling from 3.1 per cent to 6.2 per cent) and SE Asia -- while EMEA and Japan maintain their existing share of global manufacturing output. In simple terms, we have divided up the 'decoupled $846 billion' of China output and attributed it to different countries based on these shares (e.g., India now taking 6 per cent of the $846 billion," the report said.

On the potential uplift to other countries, in the event that these flows were to be resettled overnight, from a low base, India would see an 11.8 per cent expansion in its manufacturing base (in one year), it added.


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Re: Indian Economy News & Discussion - Nov 27 2017

Posted: 15 Jun 2023 16:25
by Dilbu
We can soon expect another fire outbreak or workers strike in an Apple factory in India. That is the standard toolkit response whenever such reports come out.

Re: Indian Economy News & Discussion - Nov 27 2017

Posted: 15 Jun 2023 18:09
by chetak
Today this bugger is writing a monthly cookery column in some Indian newspapers


Had India done what he and his commie pals were so strongly urging the Indian govt to do during the pandemic, India would have ended up right there alongside the deadbeat pakis, the beedis, the lankans and the nepalese and many other bankrupt countries around the world with horrendously high inflation, and an empty kitty, with a bleak economic outlook staring us right in the face



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Re: Indian Economy News & Discussion - Nov 27 2017

Posted: 15 Jun 2023 23:55
by chetak
This video is worth watching

In what state did the mafia queen and her rainoat leave the economy in when they lost to Modi in 2014

I remember people saying that Modi did not bring out a white paper on the status of the economy because it would have panicked the investors



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-CrdCAtg_I

What Did Congress Do, That Raghuram Rajan Had To Plan Rs 10000 Notes | Abhishek Banerjee


Re: Indian Economy News & Discussion - Nov 27 2017

Posted: 16 Jun 2023 00:22
by chetak
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVgwdWJe2W0


सोना गिरवी रखने से देश गिरवी रखने तक, Manmohan Singh 'The Creator of 1991 Crisis'| Abhishek Banerjee



Re: Indian Economy News & Discussion - Nov 27 2017

Posted: 17 Jun 2023 00:43
by VKumar
Finally the truth about MMS is coming out

Re: Indian Economy News & Discussion - Nov 27 2017

Posted: 17 Jun 2023 03:38
by sanman

Re: Indian Economy News & Discussion - Nov 27 2017

Posted: 19 Jun 2023 21:12
by Vips
Net direct tax collection rises 11 pc to Rs 3.80 lakh cr, so for in FY24: FinMin.

Ner direct tax collection so far this fiscal grew 11 per cent to reach Rs 3.80 lakh crore, the ministry of finance said on Sunday.

The Advance Tax collections for the April-June quarter of 2023-24 stood at Rs 1,16,776 crore as of June 17, reflecting a growth of 13.70 per cent over the same period last fiscal.

The Net Direct Tax collection of Rs 3,79,760 crore (as of 17.06.2023) includes corporation tax (CIT) at Rs 1,56,949 crore and personal income tax (PIT) including Securities Transaction Tax(STT) at Rs 2,22,196 crore, the ministry said in a statement.

On a gross basis, before adjusting refunds, the collection stood at Rs 4.19 lakh crore, a 12.73 per cent growth over the same period last fiscal. This includes Corporation Tax (CIT) at Rs 1.87 lakh crore and Personal Income Tax (PIT) including Securities Transaction Tax(STT) at Rs 2.31 lakh crore.

Refunds amounting to Rs 39,578 crore have been issued till June 17, a 30 per cent growth over last year.

Re: Indian Economy News & Discussion - Nov 27 2017

Posted: 20 Jun 2023 00:03
by CalvinH
VKumar wrote:Finally the truth about MMS is coming out
MMS is the biggest fraud and must be exposed. Under his direct leadership as finance secretary, RBI governor and Planning commission Dy Chairman India bankrupted itself. A dynastic doormat who was everything we should teach kids not to be. Especially on how much damage educated and intelligent people with no spine and self-respect can do to an organization and a nation.

A chaiwala with common sense has exceeded him in every aspect of economics.

Re: Indian Economy News & Discussion - Nov 27 2017

Posted: 20 Jun 2023 20:28
by vijayk
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Re: Indian Economy News & Discussion - Nov 27 2017

Posted: 21 Jun 2023 03:22
by Vips
India to cross Rs 1,20,000 cr in mobile exports in FY24, Apple to surpass 50% share: ICEA.

India is set to cross Rs 1,20,000 crore in mobile phone exports in the current fiscal year driven by tech giant Apple on the back of friendly government policies and production-linked incentive (PLI) scheme, the country's top electronics industry body told news agency IANS.

India Cellular and Electronics Association (ICEA) said that mobile phone exports have already registered a massive 128 per cent growth in the months of April-May this year.

Pankaj Mohindroo, Chairman, ICEA, told IANS, "Mobile phone exports growth in 2023-24 have bucked the trend of falling exports with a growth of 128 per cent in the first two months of 2023-24."

"We are confident of crossing Rs 120,000 crore in this financial year compared to Rs 90,000 crore in the last financial year which was a phenomenal 90 per cent growth," Mohindroo added.

According to the ICEA, Apple's share is set to exceed 50 per cent in FY24. In May, iPhone exports reached a record Rs 10,000 crore, pushing the total mobile shipments from the country to Rs 12,000 crore.

The country surpassed a remarkable Rs 90,000 crore worth of smartphone exports in the fiscal year 2022-2023.

In terms of exports, the top five global destinations India currently exports mobile phones to are the UAE, the US, the Netherlands, the UK and Italy.

According to Mohindroo, "The mobile phone industry will cross $40 billion manufacturing output."

According to estimates, India and Vietnam are set to become the biggest beneficiaries of smartphone supply chain migration out of China.

Re: Indian Economy News & Discussion - Nov 27 2017

Posted: 21 Jun 2023 18:52
by sanman

Re: Indian Economy News & Discussion - Nov 27 2017

Posted: 22 Jun 2023 02:48
by yensoy
Are you sure it's a good thing? I would rather let our local companies get ahead on the EV push; they are already doing very well in terms of innovation, quality, pricing and market share. Let Teslas be imported and let them be taxed at 300% to naturally thin out their market.

Re: Indian Economy News & Discussion - Nov 27 2017

Posted: 22 Jun 2023 02:49
by hgupta
yensoy wrote:
Are you sure it's a good thing? I would rather let our local companies get ahead on the EV push; they are already doing very well in terms of innovation, quality, pricing and market share. Let Teslas be imported and let them be taxed at 300% to naturally thin out their market.
Tesla beats out every EV company in terms of battery management technology and battery production.

Re: Indian Economy News & Discussion - Nov 27 2017

Posted: 22 Jun 2023 07:39
by Vips
Yeah. But does that better battery translates into a performance (distance covered by a single charge) which is commensurate to the price charged by Tesla (2 to 3x) of its competitors?

The price difference is way higher if you factor in the Indian and Chinese products.

Re: Indian Economy News & Discussion - Nov 27 2017

Posted: 22 Jun 2023 08:08
by sanman
Vips wrote:Yeah. But does that better battery translates into a performance (distance covered by a single charge) which is commensurate to the price charged by Tesla (2 to 3x) of its competitors?

The price difference is way higher if you factor in the Indian and Chinese products.
Yes, batteries are everything. Electric motors are only secondary.

Re: Indian Economy News & Discussion - Nov 27 2017

Posted: 22 Jun 2023 09:43
by sohamn
Tesla doesn't charge any premium compared to the market. In fact, Tesla's are the most cheapest (non crap) EVs in the market, cheaper than Kia, Ford, Merc, BMW or Chevy.

Re: Indian Economy News & Discussion - Nov 27 2017

Posted: 22 Jun 2023 09:45
by sohamn
And for those who don't know Tesla is also a pioneer in casting the entire car via gigapress. Also unlike other cars, they use ethernet and a single AMD Ryzen CPU to manage the car instead of canbus models used in other cars which requires massive amount of cabling making Tesla's the highest power to weight ratio of any EVs in the segment.

Re: Indian Economy News & Discussion - Nov 27 2017

Posted: 22 Jun 2023 22:34
by dsreedhar
Congress blames Modi govt of taking on debt from 55 lakh crore in 2014 to 155 lakh crore. That is almost 3 times in 9 yrs which seems unusually high and sounds bad. What constitutes that debt? How can that be accounted for? The Covid crisis obviously caused some of the pain. But how to quantify?

Re: Indian Economy News & Discussion - Nov 27 2017

Posted: 23 Jun 2023 00:50
by yensoy
dsreedhar wrote:Congress blames Modi govt of taking on debt from 55 lakh crore in 2014 to 155 lakh crore. That is almost 3 times in 9 yrs which seems unusually high and sounds bad. What constitutes that debt? How can that be accounted for? The Covid crisis obviously caused some of the pain. But how to quantify?
9 years. Indian GDP went from $2tr to $3.5tr, that is 1.75x. USD went from 64 to 82 rupees, that is 1.28x. Net is 2.24x, so really the only factor is 33% increase after these are taken out.

Congress didn't take debt because they didn't invest in anything or build anything for the future. Debt isn't necessarily bad, as long as it delivers a future good at a rate which is fair and can be borne by the public. Our infrastructure record over past 10 years speaks for itself.

Re: Indian Economy News & Discussion - Nov 27 2017

Posted: 23 Jun 2023 00:52
by yensoy
sanman wrote:
Vips wrote:Yeah. But does that better battery translates into a performance (distance covered by a single charge) which is commensurate to the price charged by Tesla (2 to 3x) of its competitors?
The price difference is way higher if you factor in the Indian and Chinese products.
Yes, batteries are everything. Electric motors are only secondary.
A car in Indian city in the summer is basically an air conditioner on wheels. Let's see how well Tesla does to keep its occupants cool while being stuck in traffic. I'm not saying it will fail, but the game hasn't started yet.

Re: Indian Economy News & Discussion - Nov 27 2017

Posted: 23 Jun 2023 01:52
by dsreedhar
9 years. Indian GDP went from $2tr to $3.5tr, that is 1.75x. USD went from 64 to 82 rupees, that is 1.28x. Net is 2.24x, so really the only factor is 33% increase after these are taken out.
Thanks for your input. External (international) debt is small factor about 20%, rest is domestic. So exchange rate may not have affected the whole.

Re: Indian Economy News & Discussion - Nov 27 2017

Posted: 23 Jun 2023 03:15
by drnayar

Re: Indian Economy News & Discussion - Nov 27 2017

Posted: 23 Jun 2023 03:18
by sanman
yensoy wrote:
sanman wrote: Yes, batteries are everything. Electric motors are only secondary.
A car in Indian city in the summer is basically an air conditioner on wheels. Let's see how well Tesla does to keep its occupants cool while being stuck in traffic. I'm not saying it will fail, but the game hasn't started yet.
Tesla Model S can do 650km on a full charge -- that should given an idea of what its battery capacity is.
Battery capacity normally suffers in colder weather, though.

Re: Indian Economy News & Discussion - Nov 27 2017

Posted: 23 Jun 2023 11:30
by yensoy
dsreedhar wrote:
9 years. Indian GDP went from $2tr to $3.5tr, that is 1.75x. USD went from 64 to 82 rupees, that is 1.28x. Net is 2.24x, so really the only factor is 33% increase after these are taken out.
Thanks for your input. External (international) debt is small factor about 20%, rest is domestic. So exchange rate may not have affected the whole.
Since the debt is denominated in Rupees and GDP in USD, we need to account for the exchange rate change as well.

Re: Indian Economy News & Discussion - Nov 27 2017

Posted: 26 Jun 2023 13:05
by disha
On Tesla/EV
yensoy wrote:Are you sure it's a good thing? I would rather let our local companies get ahead on the EV push; they are already doing very well in terms of innovation, quality, pricing and market share. ....
Vips wrote:The price difference is way higher if you factor in the Indian and Chinese products.
Yensoy/Vips, I have >7 years and >100k miles experience with Tesla EV. Will respond in detail in the EV thread (or one of the related threads).

Tesla coming to India and manufacturing locally in India, battery and all is a good thing. Scratch that. It is a great thing, as long as it manufactures battery in India at gigawatt scale.

Vips'ji, do you want Indians to be roasted crisp in Chinese EVs? I do not think so.

In China, in 2022 (with covid lockdowns in place), on an average 7 EVs caught fire daily. Yes, you heard it right, 7 EVs catching fire daily in China. And half of them catching fire, while *parked*. Some say, as much as 10 EVs are catching fire daily in China. We can ask Eleven for data, but it will be Shanghai Stats.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/chinese- ... 07935.html

^The above caught fire in the show itself!

So please do not bring in discussion of Chinese products. And as for Indian/local companies, they are mostly importing Chinese maal. Or sourced with partnership from China. I would say pathetic at best. Zero innovation.

Again more of this in EV thread.

Re: Indian Economy News & Discussion - Nov 27 2017

Posted: 26 Jun 2023 22:28
by drnayar

Re: Indian Economy News & Discussion - Nov 27 2017

Posted: 26 Jun 2023 22:36
by drnayar
https://www.reuters.com/world/india/ind ... 023-06-20/

Production-linked incentives worth $1.34 bln
U.S. presses chip firms to invest in India
Plant to test and pack chips, not make them

Re: Indian Economy News & Discussion - Nov 27 2017

Posted: 26 Jun 2023 23:48
by V_Raman
Tesla model 3 for India is a dream car - it has 300+ mile range in seattle weather. India - the range should hopefully be atleast 200+ miles with the full A/C requirements - that is a great range for India if they can ruggedize it for the road conditions

Re: Indian Economy News & Discussion - Nov 27 2017

Posted: 27 Jun 2023 05:02
by Jayram
The range is dependent on the amount of batteries packed into it which in turn drives the price of the car. So I expect range to be calibrated based on price point in India after they decide what makes sense in an Indian context and the number of charging stations. So Delhi to Mumbai is 900 miles by road so they would need at least 3 maybe 4 charging stations enroute including both starting and ending points.

Re: Indian Economy News & Discussion - Nov 27 2017

Posted: 27 Jun 2023 18:28
by Vips
India's CAD narrows in Q4 as trade gap shrinks, services exports increase.

India's current account deficit (CAD) narrowed in the last quarter of the previous fiscal owing to a moderation in the trade gap and an increase in services exports, Reserve Bank of India data showed on Wednesday.

CAD narrowed to $1.3 billion or 0.2% in the last quarter of FY23 from $16.8 billion or 2% of GDP in Q3 and $13.4 billion in Q4FY22. CAD is a key indicator of the balance of payment of a country.

"The sequential decline in CAD in Q4FY23 was mainly on account of a moderation in the trade deficit to $ 52.6 billion in Q4FY23 from $71.3 billion in Q3FY23, coupled with robust services exports," RBI said.

The current account balance saw a deficit of 2 per cent of GDP in FY23, as opposed to a deficit of 1.2 per cent in FY22 as the trade deficit widened to $265.3 billion from $189.5 billion a year ago.

"Net invisible receipts were higher in FY23 due to the increase in net exports of services and net private transfer receipts, even though net income outgo was higher than a year ago," the central bank said.

Meanwhile, net foreign direct investment (FDI) stood at $6.4 billion in Q4, higher than the $2.0 billion seen in Q3 but lower than the $13.8 billion seen a year ago. For FY23, net FDI inflows stood at $28.0 billion in FY23, lower than $38.6 billion in FY22.

Net foreign portfolio investment (FPI) recorded an outflow of $1.7 billion in Q4 driven by the equity segment, as compared with an outflow of $15.2 billion during the corresponding period a year ago.

For FY23, net FPI saw an outflow of $5.2 billion after seeing an outflow of $16.8 billion a year ago.

Private transfer receipts, which largely represent the remittances made by Indians employed overseas, rose to $28.6 billion, up by 20.8 per cent from their level a year ago.

Net services receipts increased, both sequentially and on a year-on-year (y-o-y) basis, on the back of a rise in net earnings from computer services, it further said.

The current account deficit (CAD) was expected to average -1.5% of GDP this fiscal year and -1.8% next, compared with -2.0% in the fiscal year just ended, a separate Reuters poll showed last week.

"With oil prices lower, the trade deficit is likely to shrink, ensuring the CAD narrows further," wrote Prasenjit K. Basu, chief economist at ICICI Securities

Re: Indian Economy News & Discussion - Nov 27 2017

Posted: 29 Jun 2023 17:20
by Mollick.R
6 years of GST: Rs 1.5 trillion monthly tax revenues becomes 'new normal', focus on curbing tax evasion
PTI Last Updated: Jun 29, 2023, 01:42 PM IST

Six years after the rollout of the biggest indirect tax reform in India, Goods and Services Tax (GST) revenue of Rs 1.5 lakh crore every month has become a new normal
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Thinktank Global Trade Research Initiative (GTRI) said the most critical pending GST reform is upgradation of GST Network to prevent fake supplies and fraudulent claims of Input Tax Credit (ITC).

"Data analysis and physical checks alone cannot completely solve the problem. The GSTN should enable linking of invoice level information filed for claiming ITC by buyer (from GSTR 3B) with the information provided by input suppliers (GSTR 2A and GSTR 2B)," Srivastava said.
Even after six years, the GSTN is unable to connect the supplies in a value chain, resulting in significant revenue loss to the government and causing problems for honest businesses, Srivastava added.

Issues like rationalisation of tax rates and slabs, levying GST on petrol, diesel and ATF, are still hanging fire. Tax experts are of the opinion that the GST Council must pursue these reforms to make GST more inclusive. However, in an election year, it is unlikely that the Centre and states will go ahead with these reforms.

Nangia Andersen India, Director - Indirect Tax, Tanushree Roy said simplification of the GST rate structure would provide a fillip across sectors, however with elections round the corner a wait-and-watch approach needs to be adopted to see if the Government at all decides to allude to this issue.
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The monthly GST revenues, which used to be Rs 85,000-95,000 crore when GST was launched in 2017, have soared to around Rs 1.5 lakh crore and are moving northwards. The revenue touched an all-time high of Rs 1.87 lakh crore in April 2023.

GST Network has identified 60,000 entities which could be having fake registration. Of these, on 43,000 entities, physical verifications by way of visiting business premises have been completed by central and state tax officers.

Following this, 11,140 fake GST registration, involving GST evasion of over Rs 15,000 crore, have been detected by taxmen during the first month of the drive.
Srivastava said the current flaw in the system allows buyers to claim ITC without actually receiving supplies from fraudulent suppliers.

"The government conducts drives and physical checks to detect such frauds, but these measures inconvenience honest businessmen and have limitations in detecting fraud. Making registration more difficult will not solve the problem," he said.
The total number of Goods and Services Tax (GST) evasion cases too had gone up with about 14,000 cases detected in 2022-23, up from 12,574 cases in 2021-22 and 12,596 cases in 2020-21.

The current flaw in the system allows buyers to claim ITC without actually receiving supplies from fraudulent suppliers. Let's take the example of E-Rickshaw: Firm A produces batteries with an 18 per cent GST, costing Rs 100. Firm B places an order for one battery, paying Rs 118 to Firm A.

In a legitimate transaction, Firm A keeps Rs 100 and deposits Rs 18 as GST. Firm B claims an ITC of Rs 18 on this supply, which can be used to pay GST or obtain cash refunds for exports.

However, in a fraudulent transaction, Firm A issues invoices without actually supplying the battery or paying tax. Yet, Firm B still claims ITC based on the information provided by Firm A.


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Re: Indian Economy News & Discussion - Nov 27 2017

Posted: 01 Jul 2023 20:10
by Vips
GST revenue collection for June up 12% YoY at Rs 1.61 lakh crore.

India's gross goods and services tax (GST) revenue collection in the month of June stood at Rs 1,61,497 crore, registering a rise of 12 per cent on a year-on-year basis, the Ministry of Finance said on Saturday

India, in April, saw a record-high GST collection of Rs 1.87 lakh crore and Rs 1,57,090 crore in May.

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Gross GST collection crossed Rs 1.6 lakh crore mark for 4th time since inception of GST, Rs 1.4 lakh crore for 16 months in a row and Rs 1.5 lakh crore 7 times since inception, said government.

"The gross GST revenue collected in the month of June, 2023 is Rs 1,61,497 crore of which CGST is Rs 31,013 crore, SGST is Rs 38,292 crore, IGST is Rs 80,292 crore (including Rs 39,035 crore collected on import of goods) and cess is Rs 11,900 crore (including Rs 1,028 crore collected on import of goods). The government has settled Rs 36,224 crore to CGST and Rs 30,269 crore to SGST from IGST. The total revenue of Centre and the States in the month of June 2023 after regular settlement is Rs 67,237 crore for CGST and Rs 68,561 crore for the SGST," said Ministry of Finance.

The average monthly gross GST collection for the first quarter of the FY22, FY23 and FY24 are Rs 1.10 lakh crore, Rs 1.51 lakh crore and Rs 1.69 lakh crore, respectively.

During the month, the revenues from domestic transactions (including import of services) are 18 per cent higher than the revenues from these sources during the same month last year.

Re: Indian Economy News & Discussion - Nov 27 2017

Posted: 02 Jul 2023 08:22
by Adrija
At INR 1.6 lakh crores and assuming GST is still at ~6% of the economy, our GDP has touched USD 4 trn

Re: Indian Economy News & Discussion - Nov 27 2017

Posted: 02 Jul 2023 21:56
by vijayk
They should reduce GST on some of the items. This will reduce burden and also reduce the tax evasion too. This will reduce inflation too

Re: Indian Economy News & Discussion - Nov 27 2017

Posted: 03 Jul 2023 07:29
by vijayk
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Re: Indian Economy News & Discussion - Nov 27 2017

Posted: 03 Jul 2023 07:30
by vijayk
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Re: Indian Economy News & Discussion - Nov 27 2017

Posted: 03 Jul 2023 10:10
by KL Dubey
Excellent long interview and insights from Piyush Goyal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZbD7f-fJZY

First half is more economy, the second is more poltoo. Both gudd.