India's Sharm-el- Sheikh Harakiri...

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 16 Jul 2009 23:36

ramana wrote:I was going to post this form the Intel&NS thread

quote="mohan" quote="AmitR" India, Pak delink terrorism from dialogue
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/NEWS ... 785330.cms

IBNLIVE says something subtly different:
No peace talks till 26/11 is settled: Manmohan
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/no-peace-tal ... 282-2.html

On the face of it, the article appears to contradicts itself - not sure what to read into this:

quote Composite dialogue cannot begin unless and until and terrorist heads which shook Mumbai are properly accounted for, (the) perpetrators of these heinous crimes are brought to book," said Singh.

"If there is no attempt to contain terror, no dialogue can take place," he said, quickly adding that he was not accusing the present government in Islamabad of having "the same mindset".

At the same time, Manmohan Singh indicated that India would not be averse to talking to Pakistan, saying: "our relationship has been subject to too many accidents"./quote

and then..

quote In a significant development, the two countries issued a joint statement declaring that they would de-link "action on terrorism" from the composite dialogue process.[/quote]

Perhaps we are saying, yes, we can delink terrorism from other parts of the composite dialogue, but bring the terrorists to boot first - a round about way of saying the same thing we've been saying all along.[/quote][/quote]

Why was balochistan brought in and not kabul?

Every time this gentleman has directly spoken ( in panjabi, if you please) to the porkis it has been an unmitigated disaster.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 16 Jul 2009 23:37

Anujan wrote:What I dont understand though is that Zardari seems to be more friendly to India. Groper, after the the national security adviser, Mahmood Ali Durrani acknowledged that Kasab is a pakistani, had him fired. Apparently Durrani had clearance from Zardari to make this statement. There are numerous such instances to show that Zardari is a clown, but Gilani is a Jihadi.

ramana wrote:Anujan, Gilani is Pakjabi which is the largest demographic group. Zardari's days are numbered anyways.

Besides largest demography, the people at large in pakistan have been blaming zardari for all things - frm the jihadi resentment, to increasing prices of essential goods. There have been increasing SMSs targetting Zardari that eventually resulted in a most absurd law in pakistan recently.

It is, perhaps, time to diversify our stakes. Zardari has fewer friends so our influence will continue but it is important to maintain influence on Gilani as he has influence over Kiyanahi. he also belongs to south pakjab (Saraiki area to which Gilani belongs), which is now being talked of as 5th province cutting pakjab into two.

It will be intesting how far mohd ali durrani's plan in carving out 5th province in pak goes and the resulting tamasha it will bring.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 16 Jul 2009 23:38

negi wrote:I don't buy this. similar idea was tom tom'd on this fora when Musharraf was shown the door and Benazir took over infact even Nawaz was being promoted as the next PM.Rest as they say is history .

Zardari or Gilani what difference does it make to us ...hain ?

TSP is not a normal modern state. Its a despotic, medievil (

) totalitarain state masquerading as a modern state. It was created for many reasons but the most important one from Indic POV is, its to check India. In this apology of a state its the Pakjabis who control it but are not in power. Zardari got in as a compromise after his wife got killed. Gilani is Pakjabi but in PPP which is a Bhutto party. So Gilani will have more traction eventually.

Even Mushy though he is a prime RAT, doesnt have traction due to his being a mohajir. He has among the RATs due to his Army rank.

Again lets see.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 16 Jul 2009 23:43

UN - Secretary-General Shocked by Killings in attack on pakistan refugee camp

The following statement was issued today by the Spokesperson for UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon:

The Secretary-General was shocked and saddened by today’s killing of a senior national staff member of the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR), Zill-e-Usman, in Katcha Garhi refugee camp near Peshawar, Pakistan. One camp guard was also killed in the attack. A United Nations national staff member and a camp guard were injured.

The Secretary-General strongly condemns this brutal attack on humanitarian personnel who are working for the well-being of the Pakistani people. The United Nations remains committed to continuing humanitarian operations to assist the large number of people in need. The Secretary-General extends his condolences to the family of the victims and the Government of Pakistan.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 17 Jul 2009 00:20

From Nightwatch, 15 July 2009. Throws light on a dark corner....

India-Pakistan: The Daily Times reported on 16 July that Pakistani and Indian foreign secretaries on Wednesday held a second round of talks in Sharm el-Shekih in Egypt, on the margins of the Non-Aligned Movement summit -- to finalize an agenda for the meeting between the prime ministers of the two countries. Agenda talks on 14 July failed.

Apparently the second round of talks also failed to find common ground for talks. Pakistan emphasized the 15 years old composite dialogue covering all outstanding issues should resume. India linked the resumption of the dialogue to Pakistan’s taking action to prosecute the people complicit in the Mumbai terror attacks, a private TV channel reported.

The prime ministers still are expected to meet on the sidelines of the Non-Aligned Movement's summit in Egypt, but there has been no thaw in relations, just restoration of superficial civility. According to Indian sources cited by the Daily Times, Indian Prime Minister Dr Manmohan Singh will be sticking to his one-point ‘agenda’ of dismantling the so-called network of terrorism and arresting those responsible for planning the Mumbai attacks. Without a Pakistani commitment of that sort it is unlikely that India would agree to resume formal talks with Pakistan, the sources said.

Unidentfied diplomatic sourcesmost likely uncle's disclosed that Pakistan’s Prime Minister Gilani was prepared to go on a counter attack by providing India for the first time solid evidence of Indian contacts with the Taliban. Gilani is expected to hand over the evidence to Prime Minister Singh, the sources said. The Pakistan government has also gathered proofs of Indian involvement in the Baluchistan insurgency.

If Gilani makes those proffers of evidence, he will insult Prime Minister Singh and thereby ensure the talks make no progress for a long time. Not even Musharraf engaged in one-upmanship tactics of that sort with the Indians. Stay tuned.

Note the joint text statement made some refs to Baluchis!
Won't Taliban be destroyed if they are found to be with Yindoos? So wheels within wheels.

Also uncle was providing info to TSP about Indian aid to Taliban and is revealing to its sources in West as card to force India to the talks. So both are still together in this dance between snakes.

Pakistan-al Qaida: Update. Al Qaida's second in command, Ayman al-Zawahiri, has urged Pakistanis to support insurgents in their battle against a US-led "crusade," Agence France-Presse reported. In an eight-minute, 49-second English-language video called "My Muslim Brothers and Sisters in Pakistan," posted on jihadist Web sites 14 July, Zawahiri said U.S. intervention in Pakistan's military and politics "poses a grave danger to Pakistan's future and very existence." Zawahri also said, "[If] we stand by passively without offering due support to the mujahedin, we shall not only contribute to the destruction of Pakistan and Afghanistan, but we shall also deserve the painful punishment of Almighty Allah."

The timing of this posting relative to that discussed yesterday suggests a concentrated program of incitement to unrest against the government. If popular demonstrations develop, they could pressure the government to stop operations in the North West Frontier Province and disrupt its stability program.

What is unclear is whether the al Qaida leaders are acting to exploit an opportunity they perceive or are acting to incite popular unrest so as to divert government attention and resources from combating the pro-al Qaida Pakistani militants in the tribal marches. Either way the statement adds to the internal tension and to the internal leadership debate about whether the militants or India pose the greatest threat to Pakistan.

Text of Joint Statement

http://meaindia.nic.in/declarestatement ... 16js01.htm

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 17 Jul 2009 00:53

Read Kalyani Shankar's op-ed on Clinton's visit at the Pioneer site. Especially the prime goal of the visit.

Looks like the resumption of talks is a OA goal to ensure TSPA moving its forces to combat the terrorists.

Lets see how this pans out.
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Reflecting.
- TSPA wont move as ther jihadis are their own elements out of uniform. So in all likelyhood there will be another terrorist attack.
-- Dont know if they will use local (SIMI elements) or their irregulars like LeT.
-- This time will be different as the strike forces are already in fwd positions

- So most likely the TSPA will hit with plausible deniability, But then it defeats their purpose of enraging India inot doing something drastic. Kabul Embassy and Mumbai terrorist attack has the hallmarks of plausible deniability- Taliban and non state actors.
To make India do something then it has to be direct connection.

Samay · Post by **Samay** » 17 Jul 2009 00:57

On the face of it, the article appears to contradicts itself - not sure what to read into this:

Just understand one thing, which is the fundamental reason,which usa said and mea spokesparrot defied at once a couple of months ago ,that is unkil said that India -pak will start dialogue soon irrespective of 26/11 judiciary process..

The banker baniya gave up to the unkil's pressure policy,
shame on mms,upa, and all those who are mocking on mumbai26/11 dead ,

they are talking,licking each other[/img],

but for people,families of the dead, they give a statement to use as medicine on the wounds of terror ,that is there is no talking
,nothing else,nothing more they can do.

Independent Ext affairs policy is dead , policy for people is dead,
lets welcome fresh wave of terror attacks in a month or two,

See ,where is contradiction??where is anonymity, confusion, its clear what will happen.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 17 Jul 2009 01:40

This is how the shit was piled high in Sharm El Sheik
by Indian """diplomats"""

Shame on all these @#$@$#%^&*^&^ and traitors

‘ Great victory for Pakistan, not defeat for India ’

While assessing the outcome of the meeting of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and Pakistan Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani [ Images ] on the sidelines of the Non Aligned Summit in Sharm El Sheikh, Egypt Hamid Mir, political editor of the Pakistan-based Geo television channel, told rediff.com, "It was a great victory for Pakistan but not a defeat for India. Surely, India gave concessions to Pakistan keeping in mind a long term goal. I think Dr Singh has made a sacrifice to gain bigger things in future. We understand he has taken a risk by going against public opinion in India. Dr Singh has shown some flexibility."

Talking about the joint statement issued after the meeting, Mir says, "History has created today because for the first time Baluchistan has been mentioned in the joint statement. Pakistan was able to internationalise the untold story of Baluchistan.

He said Kashmir was not mentioned in the statement but India agreed to talk on all 'outstanding issues'. When India insisted that mention of the Mumbai terror attacks [ Images ] must be inserted in the JS, the issue of India's alleged covert involvement in Baluchistan was brought on table by Pakistan. It was kind of a balancing act. Mir says that Pakistan Foreign Secretary F S Salaman Bashir told his Indian counterpart Shiv Shankar Menon [ Images ] that they have evidence of Indian involvement in fermenting disturbances in Baluchistan from its consulates in Jalalabad and Khandhar in Afghanistan.

When asked how Pakistan side sees their gain in today's events, Mir said, "Pakistan impressed upon India that if you continue dictation or blackmail then dialogue will break down. Then extremists will have an upper hand. Zardari was beaten up badly in diplomacy in Russia but Gilani will go back home with pride and go up in his people's esteem."

The marathon meetings between both leaders and the two delegations show that the atmospherics were better in Egypt than in Russia.

Gilani told the Pakistan media that, "Dr Singh told me that I am not scared. I am ready to discuss all issues."

The one-on-one meeting between Singh and Gilani started on a right tone.

Gilani told the Pakistani media that he told Dr Singh in Punjabi, "You are my elder. I respect you. I expect you to treat me as a younger brother. So give me some concessions."

He reminded Dr Singh that he belongs to an area near his native place in Punjab [ Images ] province of Pakistan. "Aap usi ilake se hai," Gilani fondly reminded Dr Singh.

Gilani fondly reminded Dr Singh

Fondly?????

What in the hell was being fondled?

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 17 Jul 2009 01:54

The Pakistnis are going ahead and painting the balochistanis as anti-pakistani and pro-indian. Also that the BLA and others are the new mukti bahini.

To all the veteran BRFites who witnessed the bangladesh liberation unfold through the late 60s, do you see a similarity in pakistani or indian behaviour? What did india do differently then?

We are now beginning to see very clear signs that balochistan will be an independent nation soon. The resolute expression of the baloch situation by the baloch themselves is heart wrenching. It seems that these people have lost so many near and dear ones, have been pillaged so much, have shed so many tears, that they are bereft of any emotion except a single minded determination to achieve their goal of an independent state.

My salutations to these people, may their wish be fulfilled soon.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 17 Jul 2009 10:00

^^^
Yes, and all that GUBO is seriously injurious to pakistan's health, as we can see already.

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 17 Jul 2009 10:01

NRao wrote:
kenop wrote:Does anybody have any idea how Baloch question would have entered the draft?
There has been a report or two from PakiLand that India is interfering there.

But, that does not seem to be the issue. The entire joint announcement seems rather odd. Who wrote it and was it ever brought to the attention of the two PMs?

Some hint here

While there was no mention of Jammu and Kashmir in the joint statement — unlike in previous such documents — it said that, “Prime Minister Gilani mentioned that Pakistan has some information on threats in Balochistan and other areas”, a hark back to Islamabad’s accusations that New Delhi was fomenting trouble in that revolt-torn province of Pakistan. Indian diplomats however sought to dismiss it as a “lame introduction”.

Asked how Balochistan made its way into the joint statement, Singh said Gilani told him there was a feeling in Pakistan that India was responsible for the unrest there. “I told him our conduct is an open book and we are willing to discuss it. If you have evidence, we will look into it. We are not afraid of discussing anything.”

Looks like the MMS was challenged and he said "huh !! I can take it" without much thinking.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 17 Jul 2009 10:03

Baljeet wrote:Chetak
I disagree. There was no ambush. How can there be an ambush when Lay-all-pur and LaWhore are making goo goo eyes at eachother for two hours. Now who got some brain knowledge after these talks is a different subject. For now it seems gilani took the statesman for long ride.

gilani is a empty headed, time serving porki politico, soon to be consigned to the porki history dustbin.

He has the manner of a used car salesman. He has openly claimed that pappi jappi got him the concessions from the deranged Indian contingent.

Gilani told the Pakistani media that he told Dr Singh in Punjabi, "You are my elder. I respect you. I expect you to treat me as a younger brother. So give me some concessions."

He reminded Dr Singh that he belongs to an area near his native place in Punjab [ Images ] province of Pakistan. "Aap usi ilake se hai," Gilani fondly reminded Dr Singh.

Was mms selling potatoes??? Is this how our national business is to be conducted?? Who gave these morons the right to mortgage the rights of over a billion Indians?? Do we not deserve better??

If this is not an ambush of the Indian nation, I don't know what else to call it.

What is left for pappi jappi after 60 years of porki man love??

Good that the Delhi court has read down art 377. No one need feel guilty any more about consensual activities at the MEA

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 17 Jul 2009 10:10

Hiten wrote:Ties with US prove injurious

During the Cold War, Pakistan stood aside USA . . .

But, truth has an inconvenient way of coming into the open. Indeed, Pakistan did not stand by the USA and indeed stood aside. Ultimately, it entered into a deep alliance with Communist China in spite of being a SEATO/CENTO member. It never contributed troops to the Vietnam war in spite of pressure and demands from the US. In fact, it cleverly used such demands to increase its army's strength claiming it had insufficient manpower to face the Indians and so it couldn't contribute any one. The exact same arguments we see in its approach today of refusing to move troops from the India border.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 17 Jul 2009 10:11

Here is how I see the problem.
The PM is not a strategic thinker. He has an ego hassle all the time because of his status within the congress, and so he does not listen to his advisor babus who clearly know what is going on.

I wonder if MMS even realizes that although he is a puppet PM he weilds far more power than the Paki PM does. I think he thinks that a PM is a PM even if he is from pakistan.

This is the only way we can explain his putting his eggs in the Pakistani civilian leadership's basket like this.

Sonia-ji is going to have to let MMS-ji retire for medical reasons with a heavy heart

and make Rahul-ji the PM.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 17 Jul 2009 10:15

Pakistan does not want to move its troops from India's border because it is not sure of what India's reaction will be in response to the next terror attack.
Now,
Pakistan is sure of two things:
1. There will be another terror attack on India
2. With MMS at the helm, india will continue to 'not tolerate' terror from pakistan.

RayC · Post by **RayC** » 17 Jul 2009 10:15

The decade of 1990 started with USA ditching Pakistan after serving its objectives in Afghanistan. Pakistan was put under economic and military sanctions through infamous Pressler Amendment. At the behest of India, it accused Pakistan of nuclear proliferation and cross border terrorism in Kashmir and placed it on the watch list of terrorist states. Its response to Kashmir dispute tilted towards India. Throughout the nineties, Indo-US cooperation in the fields of economy and military kept expanding. This period also witnessed growth of Indo-Israeli cooperation in various fields including nuclear. Several defence deals were inked by India to procure most sophisticated weaponry and technology from Tel Aviv. After nuclear tests of India in May 1998, Bill Clinton threatened Pakistan of dire consequences if it also gave a tit for tat response. When Pakistan went ahead with its nuclear tests it was put under further sanctions. On his visit to New Delhi in March 2000 Clinton signed tens of high profile economic and military deals and declared that Indo-US strategic relationship had blossomed. His behaviour with Pakistan was however highly belligerent and degrading.

Rather hilarious!

At the behest of India, Pakistan was accused of nuclear proliferation! We must thank our stars that this journalist has not blamed India for Pakistan's nuclear proliferation through a mole - Abdul Kadeer Khan. After all, he is a Mohajir and surprisingly, he has not blamed India for the lastest martial law of the many they have had since Musharraf, too, is a Mohajir.

The propensity of Pakistanis to be blind is amazing! So, by this bloke's account, there is no cross border terrorism? Then who are being killed on high mountain tops as they cross? Smugglers? And why should smugglers make their life hell by attacking the police and the Army in towns and villages? What a gas!

Indeed, it is too bad for Pakistan that the US tilted towards India in the Kashmir dispute. They saw the truth for a change. Actually, they should have rolled over and played dead!

Now, here comes the real cause for worry of this man - Israel - India military cooperation and the stuff that is being bought is giving them a nightmare. Too bad. Take two Valiums and ease your nerve! Go to sleep and call me in the morning!

Bill Clinton signed many deals with India and was belligerent and uncouth with Pakistan is because, he smelt the aroma of a financially resurgent India. He was 'uncouth' with Pakistan, because Pakistanis are uncouth and they make deals and never pay up and instead arrive at the doorstep with a begging bowl!

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 17 Jul 2009 10:19

Indira Gandhi also had puppets in her ministry. But their work was overshadowed by her micromanagement of things. She was the ultimate decision maker on most things.

Now we have puppets all around and sonia-ji in control. Sonia-ji, who is the ultimate decision maker is no Indira by a far stretch of imagination. Thus we have a confused policy towards just about everything.

The nuclear deal, and the G-8 decision on ENR
This backstabbing of the mumbai victims.

These bloopers are just samples that made it to the headlines. gawd only knows how much more we don't know.

RayC · Post by **RayC** » 17 Jul 2009 10:26

The statements coming out from Sharm al Sheik is most confusing. Or has it been done so, just because something had to be said and which will not be implemented.

Any foreign hand encouraged that these statements were to be made?

If so, what is the quid pro quo?

I would have expected our PM to have been more deliberate as he has been in his domestic pronouncements after the Congress had a near sweep in the General Election.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 17 Jul 2009 10:28

Gagan wrote:Here is how I see the problem.
The PM is not a strategic thinker. He has an ego hassle all the time because of his status within the congress, and so he does not listen to his advisor babus who clearly know what is going on.

I wonder if MMS even realizes that although he is a puppet PM he weilds far more power than the Paki PM does. I think he thinks that a PM is a PM even if he is from pakistan.

This is the only way we can explain his putting his eggs in the Pakistani civilian leadership's basket like this.

Sonia-ji is going to have to let MMS-ji retire for medical reasons with a heavy heart

and make Rahul-ji the PM.

No No NO

We have all been wrong about the sagacity of our MEA team.
They had advance information that we have just been given only now

‘ Some respite’

from the porki "the news"

Friday, July 17, 2009
The Supreme Court's ruling that eunuchs are equal citizens of Pakistan and should be treated as such by the government is a welcome one, and one that deserves the immediate attention of the authorities concerned.

zardari and gilani eminently qualify and can be considered full citizens of porkistan.

This is why the MEA guys have put all the eggs in the porki civilian basket.

RayC · Post by **RayC** » 17 Jul 2009 10:32

But then, they are having the last laugh, gender notwithstanding!

Some commentators on TV claim that India is eating crow!

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 17 Jul 2009 10:36

One thing that we can all trust is the intelligence and deshbhakti of our MEA babooze when it come to dealing with porkistan.
Traditionally our PMs have had their overbearing myopic view thrust onto their jobs, and they have to make a compromise between what is national interest and with what the PM in office wanted.
I am sure Rajiv Gandhi, MMS, IKGujral, etc gave a lot of restless nights to the deshbhakt babooze. Although, PVN, Chandrasekhar and Deve Gowda (Bless him) would have let the babooze do their job wrt pakistan.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 17 Jul 2009 10:39

RayC wrote:But then, they are having the last laugh, gender notwithstanding!

Some commentators on TV claim that India is eating crow!

RayC sir,

This is exactly the sad point that G Parthasarthy and KC Singh made yesterday. GP even said that mms had let down the country.

India should not be held hostage to some moronic pappi jappi crap.

This is the 21 century. Hard reality and pragmatism is the way to go.

We have seen porki perifidy for more than 60 years. Deal with them in exactly the same way that they deal with us and we will be OK.

Hindu dharma and porkis don't go together under any circumstances.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 17 Jul 2009 10:46

He is a PM. Maybe puppet is too strong a term. Amenable would have been better.

RayC Saar

it is your prerogative. But mr. MMS is yet to do one right decision as PM of India in the past 6 years. Kindly do not let him go Scott free from his responsibilities.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 17 Jul 2009 10:52

RayC wrote:But then, they are having the last laugh, gender notwithstanding!

Some commentators on TV claim that India is eating crow!

Where is our N_ormally S_een A_broad NSA while all these shenanigans are taking place.

Busy gathering crows for the feast???

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 17 Jul 2009 10:54

What would the NSA have to do here? It is the foreign secretary and his team of babooze who would have been there.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 17 Jul 2009 10:56

Does India have a system where retired IFS, IAS, babooze serve as a intellect bank and share ideas and suggest courses of action to the government? If we don't yet, we need one sorely. There are some very brilliant people out there who will be eager to recommend the best course of action for GoI, irrespective of the party in power.

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 17 Jul 2009 10:58

Gagan wrote:What would the NSA have to do here?

Right. However, he was seen on Times Now talking to their reporter before the talks. He is involved (maybe in some other backroom activities).

AnimeshP · Post by **AnimeshP** » 17 Jul 2009 11:01

Boss is happy ...

US encouraged by resumption of Indo-Pak dialogue

The US today termed as "positive development" the resumption of dialogue between India and Pakistan.

"We are very encouraged by the positive signals coming out of these talks," State Department spokesman Ian Kelly told reporters, referring to the talks Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh had with his Pakistani counterpart Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani.

"The initial indications are that these are positive developments," Kelly said, without going into details.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 17 Jul 2009 11:04

But on thinking a bit more, wrt any talks with pakistan, the NSA simply has to be present.
Pakistan has this irritating tendency to fly tangentially off topic, threaten nuclear retaliation if things are not to its liking.
1. The food has too much salt - nuke retaliation
2. The food has too less salt - nuclear flashpoint
3. The meat served tastes like goat meat

- JDAM

You never know, Geelani might have threatened to use nuclear weapons on MMS and NSA would have to be called in to soothe MMS-ji's frayed nerves.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 17 Jul 2009 11:05

kenop wrote:
Gagan wrote:What would the NSA have to do here?
Right. However, he was seen on Times Now talking to their reporter before the talks. He is involved (maybe in some other backroom activities).

No back room shackroom. He stands with the pappi jappi big boys.

He is standing right in the middle of the picture frame next to the rhodes scholar who couldn't draft the joint statement properly to safeguard Indian interests

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/files/im ... 0709_0.jpg

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 17 Jul 2009 11:13

To rub salt into the wounds, Gilani to send gifts to Man Mohan Singh

Gilani promised to send Dr Singh mangoes from Multan as a gift.

On why India changed its stance

Talking about the joint statement issued after the meeting, Mir says, "History has created today because for the first time Baluchistan has been mentioned in the joint statement. Pakistan was able to internationalise the untold story of Baluchistan."

He said Kashmir was not mentioned in the statement but India agreed to talk on all 'outstanding issues'. When India insisted that mention of the Mumbai terror attacks must be inserted in the JS, the issue of India's alleged covert involvement in Baluchistan was brought on table by Pakistan. It was kind of a balancing act. Mir says that Pakistan Foreign Secretary F S Salaman Bashir told his Indian counterpart Shiv Shankar Menon that they have evidence of Indian involvement in fermenting disturbances in Baluchistan from its consulates in Jalalabad and Khandhar in Afghanistan.

When asked why and how the Indian stand changed dramatically in Egypt when compared with its stand during talks between Singh and President Asif Ali Zardari in Yekaterinburg, Russia on June 16, Mir responded, "According to our information the meeting of India and Pakistan foreign secretaries in the last 48 hours in Egypt has been crucial. Pakistan's Bashir took a tough stand against Menon. Bashir told Menon if you bracket the Mumbai attack with the comprehensive talks between the two countries then there is no possibility of a joint statement. {Is the issue of no joint statement such a cataclysmic thing that India simply surrendered on this threat ? No, the threat came from somewhere else or over some other issue}"

RayC · Post by **RayC** » 17 Jul 2009 11:20

This is exactly the sad point that G Parthasarthy and KC Singh made yesterday. GP even said that mms had let down the country.

I was equally disappointed.

More so, I was confused as to what was being said and what was the aim and what the future holds.

I won't like to call a PM a puppet. One could say that the statements were a bit moppetish.

My dictionary informs me that a Moppet is a baby or a young child! It is a term of endearment. He is my PM and so I have to say he is a nice chap! The only thing is that I can't hear what he is saying since he is soft spoken. Therefore, to be fair to him, what was shown in the TV did not registered. I had to bank on today's newspaper.

RayC · Post by **RayC** » 17 Jul 2009 11:22

Gilani to send gifts to Man Mohan Singh

He should not accept.

It has some unpleasant connotations for a public servant!

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 17 Jul 2009 11:24

RayC wrote:
Gilani to send gifts to Man Mohan Singh
He should not accept.

It has some unpleasant connotations for a public servant!

or even a personal servant in some cases.

Hoping that they are not the exploding Bahawalpuri mangoes of the zia fame

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 17 Jul 2009 11:33

MMS should send the mangos to the IDPs in Swat.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 17 Jul 2009 11:33

chetak wrote:Bring G Parthasarthy back into the govt. If we can have nilekani as a "cabinet minister" why not the infinitely more accomplished, erudite and patriotic GP?

Chetak, we don't need to compare GP & Nilekani. Nilekani, being a techie, is out of loop with this type of politics. Having said that, the Govt. is only too well aware of GP's views on Pakistan. GP knows Pakistan like the back of his hand. The present UPA Government has decided to follow a certain plan of action with respect to Pakistan and it is bent on following that irrespective of consequences. From the fiasco at Sharam-el-Sheikh, this plan is not a well thought out plan. It is probably under the advice of or threat from the US of A. GP would be an outcast in this plan and so the Government won't touch him with a bargepole. Soon, the media will be toeing the government's line and will be seeing immense benefits from the resumption of dialogue, from being accused of support to terror in Balochistan, and from forsaking composite dialogue as a coercive tool with Pakistan even after future terror attacks. How can GP be expected to support these policies of the present government ? He will not allow the foreign ministry to be run on the same lines of a toothless United Nations known only for its long-winded discussions, harangues, declarations, and pious words.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 17 Jul 2009 11:41

Gagan wrote:Does India have a system where retired IFS, IAS, babooze serve as a intellect bank and share ideas and suggest courses of action to the government? If we don't yet, we need one sorely. There are some very brilliant people out there who will be eager to recommend the best course of action for GoI, irrespective of the party in power.

try www.cprindia.org . GP and BC are part of it.

Bhima · Post by **Bhima** » 17 Jul 2009 11:42

Court in Pakistan acquits Sharif

Pakistan's Supreme Court has acquitted opposition head Nawaz Sharif of hijacking charges, removing the final ban on him running for public office.

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 17 Jul 2009 11:46

K-word out but big B-word in: Balochistan
There is no word of praise from any side.
I haven't yet found any reports about reactions from Cong side. Looks like they are concentratring on UP at the moment.

ashish raval · Post by **ashish raval** » 17 Jul 2009 11:58

^^ in the article on why India came to talks mentioned above, Gilani talks to Dr. Singh saying "aap usi elake se hain", if I were him, I would rectify him saying yes, I am someone who was thrown out from my motherland by you morons. So I dont think you are my younger brother, I am your daddy so do as what I want you to do.