Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

negi · Post by **negi** » 24 Jun 2009 02:16

I guess the LS polls have rattled the BJP in the wrong way and now in the zest of being 'inclusive' and shedding the 'hindutva' image they are making a mockery of themselves .

In any case his guy Rajnath singh is known for making absurd statements

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 24 Jun 2009 02:17

SSridhar wrote:Qari Zainuddin shot dead

Next in line to be eliminated is Turkistan Bhittani.

Sridharsaar now that Qari Zainuddin is dead what will happen to his followers/fighters? Will they switch alliance to Mehsud or is there a no. 2 who will take Zainuddin's place?

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 24 Jun 2009 02:20

archan wrote:Leader-e-party-e-nationalist uvacha:
India should help Pakistan fight terror: BJP
Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) chief Rajnath Singh today said peace and stability in Pakistan was in "our interest" and India should offer "all support" to combat terrorism in that country.
"The BJP wants peace and prosperity of Pakistan" as its stability was in "our interest", Rajnath Singh told reporters

Can any guru here explain to me what value do these statements add to BJP or India or GoI? Its almost like shooting oneself in the foot. If there is nothing worthwhile to say then why not keep quiet. Its like these leaders want to create news out of nothing to fill the front pages of the DDM rags.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 24 Jun 2009 03:19

When you do a stupid thing to divert attention you do a stupider thing and get blamed for it.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 24 Jun 2009 03:32

Can any guru here explain to me what value do these statements add to BJP or India or GoI? Its almost like shooting oneself in the foot. If there is nothing worthwhile to say then why not keep quiet. Its like these leaders want to create news out of nothing to fill the front pages of the DDM rags.

With clowns like this labeled as "Hindu nationalist", no wonder TSP and USA can toy with India with contempt, disdain, and impunity. Mera Bharat Mahan. Guys, this is just rudderless towel throwing; lets not dignify him by associating any non-existant Chanakyan motive. The secular brigade is going to have a field day laughing their butts off. And of course, TSPA bosses, ISI bosses, Hafeez, Dawood etc will be wondering what else they should do to get us into a real fight.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 24 Jun 2009 05:03

Rajnath showing the deapth of Intellect in BJP. The statement is symptom of deep malady in the shallow thinking of leadership posing to be having Natinalistic vision of India. BR should honor him with " Tarbooj/watermelon " Award as the say Tarbooj ko dekh ke Tarbboj rang badalata hai.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 24 Jun 2009 05:13

BijuShet wrote: now that Qari Zainuddin is dead what will happen to his followers/fighters? Will they switch alliance to Mehsud or is there a no. 2 who will take Zainuddin's place?

The followers of Zainuddin are all Mehsuds. There is a chance that Baitullah may win them over or intimidate them into joining him. Qari had about 3000 fighters that he claimed. In any case, the swift elimination of Qari Zainuddin immediately after he boasted of his determination to take on Baitullah, is a setback to those from PA who are fighting Baitullah. Qari was shot dead in his own office and nobody was apprehended for that. That speaks volumes of how his security was quickly compromised.

Vivek_A · Post by **Vivek_A** » 24 Jun 2009 05:34

June 24, 2009
Suspected U.S. Strike Kills at Least 60 in Pakistan
By PIR ZUBAIR SHAH and SALMAN MASOOD

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — An airstrike believed to have been carried out by a United States drone killed at least 60 people at a funeral in South Waziristan on Tuesday, residents of the area and local news reports said.

Details of the attack, which occurred in Makeen, remained unclear, but the reported death toll was exceptionally high. If the reports are indeed accurate and if the attack was carried out by a drone, the strike could be the deadliest since the United States began using the aircraft to fire remotely guided missiles at members of the Taliban and Al Qaeda in the tribal areas of Pakistan. The United States carried out 22 previous drone strikes this year, as the Obama administration has intensified a policy inherited from the Bush administration.

Before the attack on Tuesday,. the Pakistani Army and Air Force had begun operations in South Waziristan against the forces of the Pakistani Taliban leader, Baitullah Mehsud. The group’s suicide bombings in major cities have terrorized Pakistanis for years.

In a serious blow to Pakistan’s effort, on Tuesday an assassin loyal to Mr. Mehsud shot and killed a rival tribal leader, Qari Zainuddin, whom the government had hoped to use as an ally in its campaign to corner the Taliban leader.

The killing called into question the government’s strategy of exploiting tribal fissures in order to defeat Mr. Mehsud and was apparently intended to serve as a reminder that there were serious consequences for crossing him, analysts said.

“It tells people, if you side with the government, this is what will happen to you,” said Talat Masood, a retired Pakistani general and a military analyst. “It says the government can’t give you protection, but the other side can.”

The army, which is already involved in operations against Taliban strongholds in the Swat Valley and other areas, would now have to rely more on its own soldiers to take on the Taliban in South Waziristan as well, he said.

Mr. Zainuddin was killed in the northwestern town of Dera Ismail Khan, said Iqbal Khan, the town’s district police chief, and the tribal leader’s death revealed the tenuous hold of his splinter group in the area.

The initial investigation, the police chief said, indicated that the shooting was carried out by a guard named Gulbadin Mehsud, who may have infiltrated Mr. Zainuddin’s ranks and escaped after the attack. Another guard was wounded in the attack, he said.

While the strike on the funeral may have been conducted by the Pakistani Air Force, residents and local news reports uniformly attributed it to a United States drone.

The dead may have included top commanders for Mr. Mehsud. The Geo Television Network, quoting unnamed sources, said that the dead included a trainer of suicide bombers named Qari Hussain as well as a Taliban commander named Sangeen, though there was no way to immediately verify the report.

Another television channel, AAJ, put the death toll at 60 and said the attack was carried out by a guided missile.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 24 Jun 2009 05:40

We should be open to the possibility that PA while openly declaring Baitullah Mehsud as Target #1, is actually tapkaooing the other factions and leaders. This causes the blame to fall on Baituallah and causes further divisions among the jihadis.

Baituallah, meanwhile, is conveniently missing for several weeks now and there has been no noticeable/significant action on PA nor the NATO forces.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 24 Jun 2009 05:43

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/

US drone attack kills 45 militants in Pakistan, officials say
A suspected US drone killed at least 45 Pakistani Taliban militants on Tuesday when it struck after a funeral of an insurgent commander killed earlier in the day, Pakistani intelligence officials said.

Published: 9:30PM BST 23 Jun 2009
US ally Pakistan officially objects to the strikes by pilotless US aircraft, though the attack came as the Pakistani army was preparing an offensive against Baitullah Mehsud, the Pakistani Taliban leader, in South Waziristan on the Afghan border.
The military went on the offensive against Taliban fighters allied with Mehsud in the Swat Valley, northwest of Islamabad, in May and are in the final phase of that operation.

Key Benazir Bhutto assassination witness shot dead
Tensions rise after Pakistan soldiers are killed in US bombing raid
US drones fire missiles into Pakistan
The next target is Mehsud.

"Three missiles were fired by drones as people were dispersing after offering funeral prayers for Niaz Wali," one intelligence official said, referring to a Taliban commander who was one of six militants killed in an earlier drone attack.
The army had no information on the attack on the funeral in the remote area under Mehsud's control, a military official said.
Mehsud, an al-Qaeda ally accused of plotting the 2007 assassination of Benazir Bhutto, the former prime minister, had been in the area but was not hurt, a Taliban official said.
The United States has offered a reward of $5 million for information leading to Mehsud's location or arrest.
The offensive in Swat came after Taliban gains raised fears for the future of nuclear-armed Pakistan, a vital ally for the United States as it strives to defeat al-Qaeda and stabilise Afghanistan.
The Taliban have responded with a string of bomb attacks in towns and cities and assassinations of opponents.

Vivek_A · Post by **Vivek_A** » 24 Jun 2009 06:12

http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=184546

US intent getting clearer
Wednesday, June 24, 2009
Shireen M Mazari

Pakistanis cannot be allowed to savour joy and success peacefully. Just when the nation was tumultuously enjoying the magical victory of our cricket team, the hard reality of our hostile environment post-9/11 clouded over us once again. For anyone who thought the US was not targeting our nuclear assets, the screaming headlines from the Afghan-based Al Qaeda leadership's interview to Al Jazeera brought the issue to the forefront once again with claims that Al Qaeda would use our nuclear assets against the US if they could. The absurdity of the statement notwithstanding, it can be explained only if seen as part of the campaign to legitimise a US/NATO takeover of our nuclear assets since our security prevents the US from taking them out physically.

We have also seen US weapons mysteriously land in the hands of militants in Pakistan – now we have the Al Qaeda leadership freely having access to the foreign media in Afghanistan. What is the US up to with Al Qaeda? Post-9/11 the world has had a memory lapse over the US-Al Qaeda connections – especially when Sudan offered Bin Laden to the US – but the latter allowed the Al Qaeda leader to move to Afghanistan!

While our military has become embroiled in a "war" that cannot be won by conventional military means, the US continues to play dangerous games with Pakistan – and at multiple levels. The drone attacks continue under Obama since the first one he ordered three days after his inauguration as US president – which killed 15 Pakistanis. In fact just as the present government has gone the extra mile in ceding ground to the US in Pakistan, the Obama administration has expanded the drone policy and according to Jeremy Scahill in the first 99 days of 2009 more than 150 Pakistanis have been killed in these attacks.

His estimate is that since 2006 and up to April 2009 drones have killed 687 Pakistanis – apart from the identifiable militants. That comes to about 38 civilian deaths a month just from these drone attacks.

Vivek_A · Post by **Vivek_A** » 24 Jun 2009 06:15

xerox

http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=184548

Sweet talk – sour lemons
Random thoughts

Wednesday, June 24, 2009
A Q Khan

I believe that President Obama, for all his good intentions and his nice words will achieve no more than did the two Muslim presidents and the two Muslim vice presidents that India had. It will be a "puppet-on-a-string" show. As the Indian gentlemen in question could do no more than be good propaganda material for the Indian government, so Mr Obama will be for the US government. The well-entrenched establishment is too strong to be overruled and it will allow Mr Obama hardly any freedom to pursue his own policies freely. The election slogan "Change we can believe in" will soon become a forgotten page of world history. In this connection Aayats 51, 52 of Surah Maida perfectly describe the present situation. There we read: "O believer! Do not make friendship with Jews and Christians. They are friends to one another. If you make friendship with them, you will be one of them. Indeed, Allah does not guide the wrongdoers. Those who are hypocrites will rush to the Jews and Christians and say they do this lest calamity befall them. It is possible that Allah may give you victory or some commandment. They will then repent for what they have concealed in their hearts."

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 24 Jun 2009 06:20

Ahmak Quraishi aka Nimbu Paani
Harr week ik nayi nayi Kahani
Nabbing Baitullah alive
Pakistan will probably never catch terrorist leader Baitullah Mehsud alive. Why? For the same reason that we will never really know why alcoholic beverages ( Merlot, Cabrnet with roast gosht or may be Djinna's Chota Peg) found from some of their hideouts. Or why citizens of China and Sri Lanka – two close military allies of Pakistan – were attacked on Pakistani soil by people claiming to be fighting America.

The popular Pakistani understanding of the battle against Baitullah Mehsud is more American than Pakistani. This prevents us from accepting that this insurgency is wrapped in multiple layers of deceit. The entire prevailing narrative of the situation is exclusively American, tailored to suit Washington's worldview. It talks about a uniform threat of the Taliban and Al Qaeda with no distinction made between the Afghan Taliban and the new Pakistani version; the American narrative does not explain how or why the ranks of the Pakistani Taliban have been swelling steadily when the Afghan Taliban are not experiencing a similar surge; and why the American narrative suppresses any discussion of Pakistani grievances about an organised anti-Pakistan terror wave emanating from Afghanistan. The Pakistani counter-narrative is missing on the government level and is probably limited to some circles within the Pakistani strategic and intelligence communities. The impression that one gets is that the Pakistani government is essentially bartering silence for US aid. And this is a dangerous bargain.

http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=184551

archan · Post by **archan** » 24 Jun 2009 06:51

Prem wrote:Rajnath showing the deapth of Intellect in BJP. The statement is symptom of deep malady in the shallow thinking of leadership posing to be having Natinalistic vision of India. BR should honor him with " Tarbooj/watermelon " Award as the say Tarbooj ko dekh ke Tarbboj rang badalata hai.

Sir, I believe it is Kharbooza and not Tarbooza in the saying.

Bhaskar · Post by **Bhaskar** » 24 Jun 2009 07:00

Pakistani officials behind French Engineers' death.

http://in.reuters.com/article/domesticN ... =0&sp=true

http://www.ndtv.com/news/world/pakistan ... _death.php

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 24 Jun 2009 07:16

Vivek_A wrote:xerox

http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=184548

Sweet talk – sour lemons
Random thoughts

Wednesday, June 24, 2009
A Q Khan

I believe that President Obama, for all his good intentions and his nice words will achieve no more than did the two Muslim presidents and the two Muslim vice presidents that India had. It will be a "puppet-on-a-string" show. As the Indian gentlemen in question could do no more than be good propaganda material for the Indian government, so Mr Obama will be for the US government. The well-entrenched establishment is too strong to be overruled and it will allow Mr Obama hardly any freedom to pursue his own policies freely. The election slogan "Change we can believe in" will soon become a forgotten page of world history. In this connection Aayats 51, 52 of Surah Maida perfectly describe the present situation. There we read: "O believer! Do not make friendship with Jews and Christians. They are friends to one another. If you make friendship with them, you will be one of them. Indeed, Allah does not guide the wrongdoers. Those who are hypocrites will rush to the Jews and Christians and say they do this lest calamity befall them. It is possible that Allah may give you victory or some commandment. They will then repent for what they have concealed in their hearts."

Out of context here, so pardon. But, does the Holy Koran actually say that?

Well, then:

US intent getting clearer
Wednesday, June 24, 2009
Shireen M Mazari

Pakistanis cannot be allowed to savour joy and success peacefully. Just when the nation was tumultuously enjoying the magical victory of our cricket team, the hard reality of our hostile environment post-9/11 clouded over us once again. For anyone who thought the US was not targeting our nuclear assets, the screaming headlines from the Afghan-based Al Qaeda leadership's interview to Al Jazeera brought the issue to the forefront once again with claims that Al Qaeda would use our nuclear assets against the US if they could. The absurdity of the statement notwithstanding, it can be explained only if seen as part of the campaign to legitimise a US/NATO takeover of our nuclear assets since our security prevents the US from taking them out physically.

She is wrong. Muslim AQ HAS to use it against a Christian US.

archan · Post by **archan** » 24 Jun 2009 07:20

90 killed in air strikes in Pak

Over 90 people, most of them militants, were today killed in air strikes by Pakistani jet fighters and two missile attacks by US drones in the restive South Waziristan tribal agency, the stronghold of local Taliban commander Baitullah Mehsud.
Over 50 people, including foreign fighters, were killed when a US drone targeted a gathering offering funeral prayers for six militants who died earlier in the day in another attack by an unmanned spy plane.
The drone fired three missiles at the gathering, TV news channels quoted official sources as saying. Several others were injured in the attack. Militants cordoned off the area after the missile strike.

Ok, I admit, I do feel bad for the pakis who are pakis not by their own choice, and are getting killed for no fault of theirs. All 90 could not have been talibs.

Hitesh · Post by **Hitesh** » 24 Jun 2009 07:53

I don't.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 24 Jun 2009 08:02

Here's one for posterity
Afridi devotes T20 victory to Swat people

KARACHI: The hero from Pakistan cricket team in the ICC Twenty20 World Cup Shahid Khan Afridi has said our ambitions were to relieve the restive nation by winning the world cup and I devote our victory to the people of Swat.

He advised political leaders to get united as our national team is and they must learn lesson from our commitment, he added

Watch the pookies milk this win for the next 50 years just as they have milked that insincere meaningless quote from Djinna. Yes that one about "you can go to your temples......"

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 24 Jun 2009 08:17

India says no to compensation for blocking Chenab in Aug ‘08

New Dehli has refused to extend compensation both in shape of water or in monetary form to Islamabad for the blockade of Chenab river by India in August, 2008 that inflicted huge monetary loss to agrarian economy of Pakistan.

India has turned down any compensation saying that it does not believe the data of Pakistan and argued that water dip that the lower riparian country experienced was not because of the filling of Baglihar project, rather it was because of the hydrological conditions of Chenab river.

When contacted spokesman of Ministry of Water and Power, Zarar Aslam confirmed that India has refused to compensate Pakistan for the water shortage that the country faced in August 2008 in River Chenab. However, he refused to share the modus operandi that the government will adopt to tackle this issue. (Trying begging; you have a comparative advantage)

India is currently spending around $200 billion on the construction of water tunnels to the River Indus, which could turn parts of Pakistan barren, a senior official at the Ministry told The News.

According to, Advisor to the Punjab Irrigation Department advisor M H Siddiqui says that Chenab blockade in August 2008 affected over 10 million acres of land in the province and the standing paddy crop in the area suffered losses

So, one-fifth of Pakjab (205,344 Sq. KM or 50 Million acres) was turned barren. Why does that sound like hard to believe.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 24 Jun 2009 08:20

I quote my own post

Qari was shot dead in his own office and nobody was apprehended for that. That speaks volumes of how his security was quickly compromised.

More info here

Qari Zainuddin, leader of the Abdullah Group, was shot dead by his guard, Gulbuddin Mehsud. . . “We were asleep after morning prayers {that in itself is haraam} when Gulbuddin opened fire, killing Zainuddin on the spot,” Kamal Mehsud, one of Zainuddin’s guards, said. The assailant escaped in the ensuing confusion, he added. Officials gave no motive for the killing, but Zainuddin’s aide Baz Muhammad, who witnessed the attack, told AFP the gunman was “an agent of Baitullah Mehsud”, acting on the orders of the Al Qaeda-linked warlord. “It was definitely Baitullah’s man who infiltrated our ranks, and he has done his job,” he told the Associated Press

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 24 Jun 2009 08:51

This ex-US Ambassador to TSP has sympathies for terrorists fighting India

Excerpts

The flood tide of Pakistani history seems now at full flow against all forms of militant religious extremism and one hopes the government and Army can, in keeping with their public declarations extirpate the wide spectrum of extremist forces that threaten the state of Pakistan. . . . But there are some arguments that will not be so easily dismissed. First, it seems clear to me that the inexorable logic of a campaign against all militant religious extremism is that all the extremist organisations have to suffer the same fate, though not necessarily as bloody a fate as the one the Pakistani Taliban seems to be heading for. They can give up and disband, leave the country if they are foreign (or even Pakistanis that want to continue the fight somewhere else)

There will be impassioned arguments from some inside the government and many outside that to cut that cord takes a weapon out of the Pakistani arsenal that Pakistan needs against a hostile India. Some who argue that position will truly believe it. Others will use it to continue the “exceptional” treatment the Army has always received as guardian of Pakistan sovereignty. The military aspects of these questions are difficult enough. {So, he doesn't want to categorically say that all terrorist groups targetting internally and externally regional countries need to be eliminated. Those who refuse to see the US perfidy, must understand this.}

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 24 Jun 2009 09:12

As expected, Turkistan Bhittani was attacked but escapes

An attack on the office of Baitullah Mehsud’s opponent group commander Turkistan Bethni has been averted.

According to sources, unknown gunmen attacked office of Baitullah Mehsud’s rival group commander Turistan Bethni in Mal Mandi, which was averted through retaliatory action of Bethni group armed men. The attackers were managed {sic} to flee from the scene.

arun · Post by **arun** » 24 Jun 2009 09:19

NRao wrote:
Vivek_A wrote:xerox

http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=184548

Sweet talk – sour lemons
Random thoughts

Wednesday, June 24, 2009
A Q Khan

................... In this connection Aayats 51, 52 of Surah Maida perfectly describe the present situation. There we read: "O believer! Do not make friendship with Jews and Christians. They are friends to one another. If you make friendship with them, you will be one of them. Indeed, Allah does not guide the wrongdoers. Those who are hypocrites will rush to the Jews and Christians and say they do this lest calamity befall them. It is possible that Allah may give you victory or some commandment. They will then repent for what they have concealed in their hearts." .................
Out of context here, so pardon. But, does the Holy Koran actually say that?

Given that making up what the Koran has to say in an Islamic Republic carries the certitude of being executed by the Pakistani State for blasphemy, if the general public does not kill you first, A.Q.Khan would not attempt to make up a part of its content

.

In any event, Yes, the Koran does say that.

Please refer to the different translations of Surah 5 verse 51 by Yusufali, Pickthal and Shakir which are available at the University of Southern California website:

USC-Centre for Muslim-Jewish Engagement

sum · Post by **sum** » 24 Jun 2009 09:54

Some of the money was kicked back to France to finance the 1995 presidential campaign of Edouard Balladur, Chirac's Prime Minister and rival, according to claims disclosed by the judges.

The chief of Balladur's unsuccessful campaign that year was Nicolas Sarkozy, who was then the Budget Minister.

According to media reports, the French secret service retaliated after the 2002 attack, breaking the legs of two Pakistan navy admirals and killing a lower-ranking officer

Holy #@$%#^....

This is how "democracies" work when protecting their self interests..

When will we get off our Gandhian high horses and give back to the enemy like he gives us?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 24 Jun 2009 10:14

Roots of terror in Pakistan
As usual, Pakistan is not responsible for anything. It is all the fault of terrorist Hindus, Afghans and Americans.

The roots of terror in Pakistan therefore lie largely in the complex relationship with India, where Hindu militancy, combined with strategic ambitions is a major source of efforts to destabilise the country.

A secondary source of terrorist violence on Pakistani soil is the Afghan culture of badla (revenge).Following the 9/11 attacks on the US, Western forces used excessive force to defeat the Taliban. Perhaps 100,000 Pashtuns died, in US carpet-bombing but their relations are bound by the traditional concept of badla, and so resistance has grown inside Afghanistan, with some Pashtun tribes on Pakistan side of the border expressing support that is typical of Afghans in facing foreign occupation.

Extremists like Baitullah Mehsud have risen up, and spread terrorist attacks, supposedly to help establish a Sharia-based system in Pakistan. The armed forces of Pakistan allowed elected politicians to negotiate a settlement but were forced to intervene when the writ of the state was violated in Swat. The army and state forces are succeeding but the concept of badla is coming into play through indiscriminate attacks all over the country.

The writer is a former ambassador

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 24 Jun 2009 11:24

http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=184549

whereupon abdul gets it.

dipak · Post by **dipak** » 24 Jun 2009 11:31

'Lashkar moving into mainstream of global jihad'

He (Bruce Reidel), however, argued that this does not mean "Pakistan should be taken off the hook, by any means, and in particular, it should be an imperative of American policy to support the demand for Pakistan to shut down Lashkar-e-Tayiba once and for all."

Looks like recent MMS statement that TSP should act with similar intensity to fight with LeT also, seems having some effect, or its just a hogwash?

Rupesh · Post by **Rupesh** » 24 Jun 2009 14:47

UK must do more to combat militants: Zardari

LONDON: President Asif Ali Zardari said on Tuesday Britain has to tackle its own issues of deprivation to stop the radicalisation of British Muslims.

In an interview with ITV's ‘News at Ten’, he rejected the suggestion it was Pakistan's role to win the hearts and minds of radicalised British Muslims, although he said his country would arrest any radical Briton visiting Pakistan and send them back to the UK.

‘The appeal has to be on the other side,’ he was due to say in the programme to be aired on Tuesday evening.

‘I think Britain has to take the responsibility and make sure that they do not feel the deprivation they have been. Because we all know this is a state of mind that comes up from some kind of this. And one has to fight it in Britain and not in Pakistan.’

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 24 Jun 2009 15:37

sum wrote:
According to media reports, the French secret service retaliated after the 2002 attack, breaking the legs of two Pakistan navy admirals and killing a lower-ranking officer
Holy #@$%#^....

This is how "democracies" work when protecting their self interests..

When will we get off our Gandhian high horses and give back to the enemy like he gives us?

I am still unable to get a media source reporting this particular info

Jamal K. Malik · Post by **Jamal K. Malik** » 24 Jun 2009 15:54

26/11: 'India to urge Interpol to execute arrest warrants'
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/26-11 ... ts/480728/

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 24 Jun 2009 15:59

Jamal K. Malik wrote:26/11: 'India to urge Interpol to execute arrest warrants'
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/26-11 ... ts/480728/

One should expect the pookies to come up with their own "list of wanted Yindoo criminals" and claim equal-equal, and thus demonstrating how fast their judicial system can work.

arun · Post by **arun** » 24 Jun 2009 17:32

The Pakistan Air Force seems to be the most Islamic terrorist infested arm of the Islamic terrorist infested armed forces of Pakistan:

57 PAF officials arrested over links with terrorists

Updated at: 1740 PST, Wednesday, June 24, 2009

ISLAMABAD: Over 50 Pakistan Air Force (PAF) officials have been court marshaled following arrest on charges of having links with terrorists ………………..

……………… As many as 57 officials were arrested from Kamra, Lahore, Sargodha, Mianwali and Karachi. Of these, 26 had to face court marshal who were awarded three and half to 17 year imprisonment while six were awarded capital punishment on involvement in serious crimes…………….

The News

Pranay · Post by **Pranay** » 24 Jun 2009 17:45

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7601748.stm

The Afghan-Pakistan "militant" nexus...

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 24 Jun 2009 18:27

Singh Warns Obama: Pakistan is Lost India Gets Ready for a Taliban-Ruled Nuclear Neighbor

“Pakistan has already imploded. You are ten minutes behind history," was the ominous message Indian prime minister Manmoham Singh gave US President Barack Obama in a long telephone conversation earlier this month, according to DEBKA-Net-Weekly's exclusive sources in New Delhi.

He went on to say: "You don't see it now because of the dust clouds thrown up by the collapse, but when they disperse, you'll see the full scale of the calamity.”

And that was not all. "The nuclear weapons and the missiles are already partly in the hands of the Muslim extremists," said the Indian prime minister in that conversation. "There is no longer any way to prevent them from taking control.”

In a surprising apparent non sequitur, Singh added: "We see the situation (of Pakistan's nuclear weapons) with the same clarity as Israel does."

The Indian prime minister referred to two locations as keys to Pakistan's nuclear and missile arsenals – both in the North West Frontier Province (NWFP): Kohat and the Wah Cantonment Pakistani Ordnance Complex in the city of Kamra.

See attached
map
(http://www.debka-net-weekly.com/pics/pa ... uclear.jpg)

Singh's reference to these top-secret places when he talked with Obama is explained by their strategic locations, DEBKA-Net-Weekly adds.

Dominated by mountains and hills, Kohat is the capital of the district of that name, made important by a Pakistani air base, airport, and the military road opened in 1901 linking it through the Kohat Pass to Peshawar, 60 kilometers to the north.

Kohat also has good highways to the capital Islamabad, Bannu, Waziristan in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas, Baluchistan, Karachi and Sindh. It is about 50 kilometers from the Afghan border.

Taliban is encroaching on both nuclear sites

Kamra is roughly 180 kilometers northeast of Kohat air base. It is home to the Pakistani Wah Cantonment Ordnance Complex, which consists of three armament facilities in Wah (Pakistan Ordnance Factories - POF), Kamra (Air Weapon Complex - AWC), and Taxilia (Heavy Industries Taxila -HIT).

This complex is associated with the storage and assembly of nuclear weapons and components, especially those at the "screwdriver level," and the modification of aircraft and missiles for nuclear attacks.

The Air Weapon Complex at Kamra houses air-to-surface missiles and is probably the site of the development and storage of nuclear warheads.

Pakistan's two nuclear sites are situated in the same rugged, mountainous northwest as the suspected hideouts of al Qaeda's top leaders including Osama bin Laden, whence they are running their global operations. Both al Qaeda and Taliban maintain heavy concentrations of fighters in this forbidding region.

According to DEBKA-Net-Weekly's military sources, Kohat and the Kamra region are in much more dangerous straits than the Swat Valley and Buner Province on which US and Western attention has been focused.

If Kohat falls, Islamabad is cut off from its nuclear arsenal

Taliban controls key sections of Kohat town and the roads connecting it to Kamra. The Pakistani air base is under intermittent siege, depending on ad hoc agreements between the base commanders and local Taliban chiefs. The siege tightened earlier this month after a Pakistani military helicopter exploded "in suspicious circumstances" during takeoff from the air base, killing all the officers trained in special anti-Taliban combat aboard.

Our military sources stress that if Kohat falls completely to the Taliban, Islamabad and the Pakistani high command will be cut off from Kamra and its nuclear arsenal.

According to Indian intelligence reports cited by prime minister Singh to President Obama, some Pakistani officers of the units guarding the Wah complex are in daily communication with Taliban chiefs in an effort to keep them at bay. But those ties may be ambivalent. Indian agents find it hard to determine where their loyalties lie. More and more Pakistani officers on duty in both nuclear locations, Kohat and Kamra, are to be seen openly hobnobbing with Taliban adherents.

Indian intelligence analysts cannot therefore say for certain who they will obey if ordered by Islamabad to transport the nuclear arsenal out of the endangered towns – headquarters in Islamabad or their local Taliban friends. In any case, they calculate that evacuation of Pakistan's nuclear arsenal and missiles to safety from the semi-besieged towns is no longer possible. The Americans, they say, have missed the boat, thereby contradicting the assurance of its safety given by the US Central Command chief, Gen. David Petraeus just a week ago.

India prepares for a hostile neighbor

The predicament outlined by the Indian prime minister in northwest Pakistan is doubly troubling for Washington. Most of all, the danger of Pakistan's nuclear weapons falling into the hands of Taliban and by extension, al Qaeda, looms ominously close. But the US is also loath to see India going its own way and working on the assumption that the Pakistan government has already fallen and Taliban is in control of the Pakistani state and military.

DEBKA-Net-Weekly's military sources see India preparing to deal with a fellow-nuclear neighbor ruled by a hostile entity. On May 5, the Indian Army’s Strike Corps conducted a three-day exercise, called “Hind Shakti” in the plains of Punjab, using tanks and other heavy equipment, to counter enemy incursions as well as a possible "nuclear-biological-chemical warfare environment."

Watched by the Indian Army Chief Gen. Deepak Kapoor and GOC-in-C Western Command Lt. Gen. T.K. Sapru, the Kharga Corps exercise included a mechanized and reorganized Plains Infantry Division, which drilled a blitzkrieg-type armored incursion focusing on the rapid penetration of enemy territory.

Aircraft and artillery support were also part of the exercise.

India is clearly going through its military paces ready for operating inside a Pakistan ruled by the Taliban.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 24 Jun 2009 19:55

dipak wrote:'Lashkar moving into mainstream of global jihad'

He (Bruce Reidel), however, argued that this does not mean "Pakistan should be taken off the hook, by any means, and in particular, it should be an imperative of American policy to support the demand for Pakistan to shut down Lashkar-e-Tayiba once and for all."
Looks like recent MMS statement that TSP should act with similar intensity to fight with LeT also, seems having some effect, or its just a hogwash?

As long as there is this bold-faced fraudulent distinction between so called "global terror" (those who attack USA & its side-kicks), and those who attack SDREs, I don't see any progress; its at best bean counting. TSP has established this diabolocal equivalence which is finding quite a bit of resonace both in Dilli & DC that shittung down LeT is impractical unless the 'core issue' is resolved, meaning, handing over Kashmir to TSP or setting in motion a process which results in such a denounement (recall Mush's bogus proposals).

He said the Lashkar, responsible for the Mumbai terror attacks, was moving more and more into "the mainstream of the global Islamic jihad," and it was more than likely that "we face a very serious danger of marrying the goals of Al Qaeda with the capabilities of Lashkar-e-Tayiba, which would be a global menace not just to Indian interests, but to American interests and interests of many other countries around the world."

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 24 Jun 2009 22:25

SSridhar wrote:
BijuShet wrote: now that Qari Zainuddin is dead what will happen to his followers/fighters? Will they switch alliance to Mehsud or is there a no. 2 who will take Zainuddin's place?
The followers of Zainuddin are all Mehsuds. There is a chance that Baitullah may win them over or intimidate them into joining him. Qari had about 3000 fighters that he claimed. In any case, the swift elimination of Qari Zainuddin immediately after he boasted of his determination to take on Baitullah, is a setback to those from PA who are fighting Baitullah. Qari was shot dead in his own office and nobody was apprehended for that. That speaks volumes of how his security was quickly compromised.

Thank you for the explantion Sridharsaar.

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 24 Jun 2009 22:29

ramana wrote:When you do a stupid thing to divert attention you do a stupider thing and get blamed for it.

Thank you Ramanasaar but one thing no one explains is why pick Indo-Pak issues when there are a host of other issues where a senior BJP leader can put his foot in his mouth. Why would you say something like this just to divert attention. This issue resonates close to BJP's support base and what is gained by pissing off ones shrinking core support group. By making such statements what and who is it they are trying to send a message to?

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 24 Jun 2009 22:55

BijuShet wrote: Thank you Ramanasaar but one thing no one explains is why pick Indo-Pak issues when there are a host of other issues where a senior BJP leader can put his foot in his mouth. Why would you say something like this just to divert attention. This issue resonates close to BJP's support base and what is gained by pissing off ones shrinking core support group. By making such statements what and who is it they are trying to send a message to?

It's not just Rajnath Singh or Advani (when he proclaimed Jinnah a secularist); it's the prevailing mentality of the anglicized & deracinated ruling classes of India who dominate public discourse. BJP has to sell itself to this class if it is to have a chance to ever rule. Rajnath, Advani et al, when they make such statements, are not being stupid or smart, thoughtful or thoughtless, but simply making an educated guess as to what the ruling class would like to hear most at that particular point in time.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 24 Jun 2009 23:21

K.V. Raogaru has said it well. When you hear a message always try of figure out to whom the message is addressed to. And which image it addresses? Even LKA's Jinnah remarks were to the DIE and to US.