A look back at the partition

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Acharya wrote:
SSridhar wrote:Jaswant pays the price for telling the truth [about Partition] - Swaminathan Anklesaria Aiyar
Either way, we need to abandon the myth that the British imposed Partition on India, though Mountbatten saw it as desirable and helped promote the Jinnah-Congress agreement on it. The clincher was Liaquat's budget and obstructionism, which drove Congress from opposing Partition to becoming a fully consenting partner in it. Jaswant Singh could have been tougher on Jinnah, but has correctly highlighted Congress' role in Partition.


Again he misses the secret talks of Jinnah with Churchill leading to the partition. Did it occur to anybody that Liaquat was doing according to the instruction of the British during those years. Jinnha would not have the courage to oppose Congress unless he was supported by the British and also the knowledge that Muslim offices in the Army were behind ML
To be fair to the Muslim officers, there were some who did not migrate to Pakistan and did exceedingly well in the first J&K Conflict. Brig Usman, MVC, being one.

I am not too sure if the Hindu officers were not for the Congress, if not in a political sense, at least in the form of seeking an identity for India.
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RayC wrote:
To be fair to the Muslim officers, there were some who did not migrate to Pakistan and did exceedingly well in the first J&K Conflict. Brig Usman, MVC, being one.

I am not too sure if the Hindu officers were not for the Congress, if not in a political sense, at least in the form of seeking an identity for India.
Good officers were there and cannot be disputed in the BIA. But the way the Indian army was split and majority of the Muslim officers went to Pakistan betrays that ML was in contact with them and they had plans if the partitions had not worked out. Many Indian INC leaders recognized this fact and to avoid *any* major civil war inside the army itself may have opted for the sound option.
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Acharya wrote:
Good officers were there and cannot be disputed in the BIA. But the way the Indian army was split and majority of the Muslim officers went to Pakistan betrays that ML was in contact with them and they had plans if the partitions had not worked out. Many Indian INC leaders recognized this fact and to avoid *any* major civil war inside the army itself may have opted for the sound option.
I presume that the IA was really apolitical, there could not have been isolated from the reality of what was going on in India.

Given, how religion plays a role, it would be surprising if they were not affected by the events that were taking place all around them!
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Abul Kalam Azad in his bio says that the understanding for the Muslim officers of BIA was that they could check out TSPA and come back if they didnt like it. Unfortunately after TSPA's J&K perfidy that option was closed and many got trapped in a land they didnt like.
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ramana wrote:Abul Kalam Azad in his bio says that the understanding for the Muslim officers of BIA was that they could check out TSPA and come back if they didnt like it. Unfortunately after TSPA's J&K perfidy that option was closed and many got trapped in a land they didnt like.
Actually this was true for many salaried Muslims from UP and also Muslim businessmen in 1947. Checking out Pakistan was the primary motive in 1947 upto 1965 for many families but the violent aftermath and the war in J&K closed many option. Many UP muslim zamindari families who could not go to Pakistan - east or west decided to stay in UP waiting for the next thing - like corridor between Bangla and West Pakistan.

Reading many books it looks like that there were many doubts among the elite Muslim families in 1947 who made the decision just after the Partition. They had the option for a brief period to choose and thrive in either side. If those rich families had not moved to Pakistan such as the Nawab of Bhopal etc the Pakistan coffers would have been under severe deficit. My observation is that - To make sure that such doubts dont arise among the Muslim families the violence and the war on J&K was planned. This war closed the option for many Muslim families from coming back to India and hatred against the Indian govt increased with the stalemate on J&K. UP families who stayed back got stuck but maintained contact with their families in Pakistan.

This adhoc nature of the formation of Pakistan shows that many things were not in place in 1947. Viability needs the elite class with money and to gather support from worldwide elite. This same hesitation among supporters we see after each crisis in Pakistan - just after 911 and also during the POK earthquake in 2005, also during the financial crisis of 2008-2009. To mobalize support and aid Pakistan govt needs crisis and has been successful in "staging crisis" every decade. US became the major aid giver to a adhoc Pakistan but knew the game Pakistan played. Both Pak govt and US govt knew the game and went along since it suited the geo-political interest of US for the last 40 years. Mushy alludes to this when he says Kargil was successful for Pakistan since it brought all the supporters and aid donars back to the table after the coup.

There is no indication if Indian govt has become aware of the game in which US is actually an active participant.
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RayC wrote: Muslims came to India came as conquerors. The vanquished were the Hindus. On the other hand, Christians initially did not come as conquerors but as missionaries and hence were accommodated to some extent.


The political boundaries of India either in the Mugal times or during the British was not the same as it is now, even though the British through the Doctrine of Lapse and other devious instruments did assemble India in some extent the physiognomy of what is India today.

The McCaulayisation of India made Hindus in certain parts of India emancipated and aware of their political identity. Muslims, on the other hand, because of their insular characteristic and possessing a superiority complex of having been the conquerors were sullen having become the vanquished. This was more humiliating since the Islamic scriptures convince them that they are the sole inheritors of the Earth and that is when Peace shall come. This attitude and their impotence to right their perceived wrong shunned interaction with the British. This obviously gave an upper hand to the Hindus, who thrived in all affairs of the State, even if subordinate to the British. This added insult to injury to the Muslim psyche. Hence, another reason for the animosity and the divide.

The Hindu caste system did not permit inter caste unions and obviously no inter faith unions. Islam, however, allowed inter faith unions, provided the non Muslim changed the faith to Islam and that was acceptable since Islam encourages increase in its rank. This was another inhibitor to cohesion and coalescing of minds. There was no inter faith marriages having distinct religious difference even after marriage.
RayC ji,

The fact of the matter is that British took over the control of India from Hindus and not from Muslims. When British won at Plassey, Marathas were conquering Attock and Peshawar (that same decade). From 1700 to 1818, it was Hindus who dominated the society-politics-economics of the subcontinent and not the muslims. In spite of defeat in third battle of Panipat (1761), Marathas reconquered Delhi and Punjab by 1770. So for all practical purposes, British assumed control of most of India with surrender of Bajirao-2 in 1818. This very propaganda that Macaulisation made "Hindus" aware of their political identity is false.

The political identity of Hindus and their identification of India as their land existed for much longer time. And this was not necessarily parochial world-view. Shivaji established his "Hindavi Swarajya" with the aim of liberating all the sacred rivers of India (Sindhu and Kaveri included). The Panipat campaign of Peshwas was to protect "India" from outsiders which they controlled and commanded for over 110 years.

There was social reformation going on as well along with the political consolidation of Bhaarat by Dhaarmic forces. The caste system was seeing some high degree of motility. Few castes changed their professions. Brahmins became Kshatriyas in large numbers. Atrocities on few lower castes increased. Quite a few other lower castes were elevated to higher castes (Dhangars, Kunbis etc). The religious reconversion was politically patronized. Thousands of temples, libraries, lakes, Dharma-Shalas, roads were re-built all over India.

Hindus already had taken over power from the hands of Muslims in most of India by 1707. By 1750s, the socio-political supremacy of Islam on India was already overthrown. The Islamic ego which you referred to, was already broken by Hindus without any help from non-Indics whatsoever in most of the subcontinent. Marathas, Rajputs, Bundelas, Ahoms, Sikhs are few examples. The British became de-facto dominant power after 1802 (Second anglo-Maratha battle). This is the reason that the staunchest opposition to british rule came from Hindus and not from Muslims. Even without British rule and Macaulay, India was on the road of resurgence.

What Macaulay ensured that he reinstated this image in minds of Hindus and Muslims about vanquished and victors respectively, when the reality was opposite and far more subtle. Hindus who remember and crib about the battles of Panipat, Tarain, Talikota forget about the glorious battles of Bahraich, Raichur, Palkhed and Rajasthan. Is this emancipation? I think not...

The last power in India who was opposing British was Sikhs (Indics again). Although British conquered most of India from Hindus (marathas) they had to conquer rest of the India from Hindus again (Sikhs). So, on what basis is the dream of grandeur of victorious Muslims who lost their 1000 year rule to British, thereby emancipating Hindus, supported and tolerated not only by British, but also by our own people???
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Chiron wrote: The McCaulayisation of India made Hindus in certain parts of India emancipated and aware of their political identity. - False

This very propaganda that Macaulisation made "Hindus" aware of their political identity is false.

I agree that this is propaganda
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1857, what 1857 did was to remove the pretense of Ruler ship from the remaining dreges of Islamic rulers, it a;so destroyed the old court systems and use of Persian etc...

Symbolically the Maratha's and even the British and allowed Mughals to retain the Delhi throne and give them enough money to keep a class of nobility happily living in opium scented hookah smoke dreams of greatness.

The easy going Muslim intelligentsia of Avadh (Ayodhya) was also decimated after 1857 (and in run up to 57 when it was taken over completely in 56)

That rough awaking is for the Ashraf the real reason to think of lost glory.
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Around partition, we had a situation that is complex.

1. An intransigent leadership and dhimmified elite.
2. A phenomenal amount of religious incompatibility, segregation and indifference, where jihad and achoot unraveled.
3. Geopolitical domination sought by the British.

Local leaders, who should've sensed the "tragedy about to unfold" better, also held back. The storm quickly obliterated any "cultural connection" between people, words they use in shock are not mine, and they brought the barbarity all too familiar in India's history, back.

But this is the keg we sit on today too. All we have to do is remove British by, say, China and any power with an ambition to rule will find plenty in our nation to divide and conquer. Partition was another example and its the sheer unspeakable magnitude of its devastation tells us the depths to which we are "similar but different" and why there must be a fundamentally different model to deal with islam in our land. Ignorance, indifference, intransigence and inertia will not do.

To ground this further, I quote another story from same source as earlier post:
THE MUZAFFARABAD MASSACRE.

Statement of S. Khazan Singh, son of S. Chain Singh of Village Kotli, Tehsil and District Muzaffarabad (Jammu and Kashmir State).

On the 3rd of Kartak (October, 1947) our village was attacked by the Pathan raiders who butchered all those who came across them. According to my estimate 20 persons were shot dead in the assault launched by the raiders. The rest fled away in confusion to proceed into the interior of the state to village Chakaor, in the same district. In the way they were surrounded by a mob of Afridis, who were armed with automatic weapons. The entire Hindu and Sikh population showed an intention to surrender to the raiders and were taken by them to Domel.

From other places (villages and towns) in the district of Muzaffarabad, Hindu and Sikh population including aged and young people, women, girls and children were concentrated at Domel.

They segregated the girls and the women from the males and the children. The males were then made to put off their clothes at the bank of the river near the customs post. Afridis then requested the Nawab of Boiwala to open the nefarious job of shooting down the Hindus and Sikhs by firing the first shot himself. He did so and then a general massacre ensued in which practically all of them were shot dead and thrown into the river. The least number shot down must be over 1000.

I may mention here that while travelling with the other Hindus and Sikhs, I lost my son and daughter in the jungle and Went in search of them with my wife, while the caravan was marching past. I thus, was able to save my life and was an eye witness to all this tragic incident from the top (peak) of a detached hill. Among those who were shot dead, were my two real brothers, and their 7 sons and other relations. In all I lost my 50 relatives far and near.

After the grown ups and the aged were done to death the children were butchered most mercilessly by striking them against the rocks. Afridis had earlier remarked that the evil should be nipped in the bud.

They said that if they spared the children they would grow up and be a menace for Pakistan.

I was captured by the villagers of Ranwar and taken to this village. I was converted to Islam. After 20 days some military personnel of Pakistan Army happened to visit this village and when they came to know of me, they came to me and brought me to Pattan Khurd, post office Kohalla, District Hazara. A part of the village people were in favour of my being killed while the others opposed the proposal. I spent 3 months there. They were unable to support me and on my expressing a desire to settle down in some town in Pakistan and earn my livelihood, they agreed to send me away. I was sent with two guides, a Maulvi and a resident of the village to escort me safely to Rawalpindi. They left me there and went back.

From Rawalpindi I managed to escape and travelled by train to Lahore. Here, fortunately I came to know of a refugee camp for the non-Muslims and I after a good deal of hard labour reached there.

On the strength of my personal observation and what I learnt from other sources, I give below certain tips regarding location of the abducted girls:-

Tahsil Mansehara 300
Ghari Habib Ullah 50
Ghari Tahsil District Muzaffarabad 100
Muzaffarabad area 500

Abducted by Afridis out of the group that marched to Domel, 13 girls and one boy of my village viz-Kotla are with a barber of village Patan Khurd. Three girls are the daughters of one Hira Singh of my village.

Three girls of my village were abducted by the residents of my village and were given in marriage to the local Mohammadens.

Dated 17.1.48.
Sd. Khazan Singh
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ramana wrote:Abul Kalam Azad in his bio says that the understanding for the Muslim officers of BIA was that they could check out TSPA and come back if they didnt like it. Unfortunately after TSPA's J&K perfidy that option was closed and many got trapped in a land they didnt like.
Can Abdul Kalam Azad's views be really believed on what the IM community would or would not do?
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India royals' allowances raised

By Narayan Bareth
BBC Hindi service, Jaipur

Asmat Ali Khan

The descendants of the former princely rulers of Tonk in the Indian state of Rajasthan have won a legal battle to raise their monthly allowances.

Each of the 570 descendants will now get a minimum of 100 rupees ($2). The earlier minimum was set at 50 paise (less than a cent).

The descendants would also be paid 20 years worth of arrears, officials said.

The allowance was started in 1944 and the maximum amount was fixed at 500 rupees ($10).

Tonk was the only Muslim princely state in Rajasthan before India gained independence in 1947.

'Not rich'

'"It is matter of pride to receive this amount, because it is a mark of our royal legacy and lineage," said Asmat Ali Khan, the descendant who filed the petition in Rajasthan's high court.

Mr Khan is a former secretary of Anjuman Society Khandan-e-Ameeria (ASKA) which represents the royal descendants of Tonk.


He says not all 570 descendants are rich and many feed their families by working in low-paid jobs.

''Few of them are in government jobs, the rest take up different kinds of work to run their families."

Mr Khan receives 13 rupees 64 paisa (a quarter of a dollar) a month as allowance and it costs him more than double of that in transport to go collect it.

"When I hire an autorickshaw to go to the government office to collect my allowance, I have to pay 30 rupees," he says.

Mohammed Rafique, another royal descendant, says the increased allowance is particularly welcome as it comes just before the Eid festival in September.

"It would be a big relief to many of the descendants as all are not rich. Though they have had a rich history, some of them are leading a life of penury," Mr Rafique says.

''It does not matter if the amount is not big, it is a mark of respect for us. It reminds us of our glorious past," he adds.

An official said the administration has requested the state government to send $240,000 to pay the arrears to the descendants.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8213390.stm
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Savarkar, in his book "Six glorious epochs of Indian history" which in turn takes reference from Prof. K P Jayaswal's Hindu Polity states this fact.

The Qazi-Mullah social structure which was cemented during the rule of Aurangzeb in Central, South-Central and North India suffered the most during Maratha expansion. As the expansion bubble of Marathas was growing and Maratha cavalry was entering new villages, the local Qazis used to flee. The dismemberment of deeply entrenched social power structure was the single greatest achievement of Marathas in their 170 years of stay.

Incidently, today's partitioned India is mostly that region of subcontinent which was under Maratha control or at least on the path of their repetitive virulent raids. Ahoms in Assam did the same thing. Sikhs unfortunately could not displace this social power-structure in Punjab and they did not get much time either. Even during the infamous raids of Bengal in 1740's by Marathas, west-Bengal was their maximum reach. They did not cross Hooghly river. In spite of their atrocities, they ensured the displacement of Muslim peasants in eastern Bengal owing to similar destruction of Qazi-Mullah social structure in western Bengal.

Why could Sikhs not replicate similar results in Punjab. Why Indian Punjab the region which was also under stable Maratha occupation for quite some time and not the western Punjab? The reason, IMHO, is that Sikhs did not rule as long as Marathas did. And secondly, Ranjit Singh ji tolerated the existence of this local power-structure in his empire. Whatever was remaining was destroyed during Partition riots.

Brihaspati ji has put forth that the tendency of Muslims, especially in India, to revert to jihadi mentality in space and times of Islamic dominance has lot to do with the ideological base of Islam. Taking this point ahead, what executes this ideological base is the Qazi-Mullah social power structure which is entrenched in few regions of India (West Punjab, Sindh, Lucknow, Some parts of UP, Bihar, Assam and West-Bengal, East Bengal, Gaandhar).

The reason I am putting forward this point is that, eventually, Indian army and civilization will have to make a choice about the nature of expansion. The method which destroys this power-structure entrenched in each and every village of above-mentioned parts of India should be prioritized over the tolerant approach of Ekaksha-Pingali Ranjit Singh ji.
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Good officers were there and cannot be disputed in the BIA. But the way the Indian army was split and majority of the Muslim officers went to Pakistan betrays that ML was in contact with them and they had plans if the partitions had not worked out. Many Indian INC leaders recognized this fact and to avoid *any* major civil war inside the army itself may have opted for the sound option.
In the light of this, how do you see the demand for head count and reservations in Indian army for Muslims that arose a couple of years ago and was orchestrated by some Indian Muslims living in the US and involved with the US govt.? What would have been the implications for such a move? Partition redux?
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sanjaychoudhry wrote:

In the light of this, how do you see the demand for head count and reservations in Indian army for Muslims that arose a couple of years ago and was orchestrated by some Indian Muslims living in the US and involved with the US govt.? What would have been the implications for such a move? Partition redux?
According to me the entire reservation was settled with the formation of Pakistan. Hence revisiting it is against the spirit of millions of people who died during partition.
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Chiron wrote: The reason I am putting forward this point is that, eventually, Indian army and civilization will have to make a choice about the nature of expansion. The method which destroys this power-structure entrenched in each and every village of above-mentioned parts of India should be prioritized over the tolerant approach of Ekaksha-Pingali Ranjit Singh ji.
If the Indian army is ever utilized in such a manner, then by definition Indian polity would have failed and we will be responsible for this failure.
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ShauryaT wrote:
Chiron wrote: The reason I am putting forward this point is that, eventually, Indian army and civilization will have to make a choice about the nature of expansion. The method which destroys this power-structure entrenched in each and every village of above-mentioned parts of India should be prioritized over the tolerant approach of Ekaksha-Pingali Ranjit Singh ji.
If the Indian army is ever utilized in such a manner, then by definition Indian polity would have failed and we will be responsible for this failure.
ShauryaT ji,

If army is not to be utilized for this purpose, then there ought to be some organized effort which destroys the faith and fear of ordinary abduls towards the Qazi-Mullah based power structure. This is achieved only after destruction of that power-structure itself. In medieval times, this was done by regular Maratha armies. Who can do it in modern times?
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Chiron wrote:Who can do it in modern times?
The political leadership, I hope. How did the British manage to change and influence Hindu society? Not through guns alone. But through all the accumulated power vested in the state by its peoples. Reliance on the army to do this job would be highly inefficient and likely not have a long term success. Long term meaning, inter generational change. As this is the change we seek.
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ShauryaT wrote: How did the British manage to change and influence Hindu society? Not through guns alone. But through all the accumulated power vested in the state by its peoples.
BRitish used the political control to change the education system and also control the media. This was used to change the behaviour of Indians towards each other (social engineering) and towards the British and west. THey supressed all information regarding large scale killing of rebels and revolutionaries over the 100 years period.
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ShauryaT wrote:
Chiron wrote:Who can do it in modern times?
The political leadership, I hope. How did the British manage to change and influence Hindu society? Not through guns alone. But through all the accumulated power vested in the state by its peoples. Reliance on the army to do this job would be highly inefficient and likely not have a long term success. Long term meaning, inter generational change. As this is the change we seek.
There is fundamental difference between Indic and Abrahamic memes, that is the monolithic framework. The heavily centralized system is like a Rakshasa in mythology whose life was in eye of a parrot in a heavily guarded cave. If one destroys the eye of the parrot, the Raakshasa dies. Only thing required is to overcome the heavy guard either by force or trick. Abrahamic memes rely on very strong centre. When the centre falls, everything else falls with it.

Indic memes are totally decentralized. But for few core aspects, everything else changes with space and time in Indic meme-system. This system requires a lot more extra-focus on soft-power. Of course, as Acharya ji pointed out, it also requires a strong back-up in form of prolonged application of brutal force.

The increased energy level of the society is the perfect timing to strike down such heavily guarded and entrenched social system. As things cool down, it gets exponentially difficult and expensive in terms of energy to achieve similar results. This "Loha garam hain, maar do hathauda attitude is essential and is particularly useful in case of tackling such efficient and tremendously centralized system. At high energy levels, elimination of certain few individuals/networks/institutions/buildings/organizations and everybody associated with those entities per village will solve the problem to large extent. This has to be done by army or some special unit of army and/or intelligence during the available window-period. Later, as things cool down, politics, sociology and soft-power backed up with efficient police and strong laws can take over, just like British did and just like you are implying.
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Chiron wrote:
There is fundamental difference between Indic and Abrahamic memes, that is the monolithic framework. The heavily centralized system is like a Rakshasa in mythology whose life was in eye of a parrot in a heavily guarded cave. If one destroys the eye of the parrot, the Raakshasa dies. Only thing required is to overcome the heavy guard either by force or trick. Abrahamic memes rely on very strong centre. When the centre falls, everything else falls with it.
Islam is fairly decentralized too in that sense. Taking out Qazi-Mullah is akin to saying take out the Brahmin Purohit. Islam promotes the idea of a direct relationship of the Individual with their God, without an intermediary. In practice, however, the Qazi-Mullah acts as a leader. Take out this Qazi and new ones will emerge. There is no single structure to take out and solve this problem easily. Not saying that certain actions cannot be taken, even if forced, however, I do not believe there is a magic bullet.
The increased energy level of the society is the perfect timing to strike down such heavily guarded and entrenched social system. As things cool down, it gets exponentially difficult and expensive in terms of energy to achieve similar results. This "Loha garam hain, maar do hathauda attitude is essential and is particularly useful in case of tackling such efficient and tremendously centralized system. At high energy levels, elimination of certain few individuals/networks/institutions/buildings/organizations and everybody associated with those entities per village will solve the problem to large extent. This has to be done by army or some special unit of army and/or intelligence during the available window-period. Later, as things cool down, politics, sociology and soft-power backed up with efficient police and strong laws can take over, just like British did and just like you are implying.
Chiron: I am implying no such thing. Not because I am afraid to spell it out but because I do not think any such idea will work, even if the Indian state and its peoples back such an idea, which I doubt. This is not some small part of Spain, where a quick reconquista will do the trick.

Our force structures are best focused outside our current borders. Our policies need to do the job inside.
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Reading above observations affirm my understanding that there never was there wont be anything Indian about Islam and if its true what claim do they have on the land , resources, policy and future of India? What is suprising is the Bihari and UP muslims behind partition got scotch free without worthwhile physical damage. They all should have been sent to high heaven without mercy as part of retaliation for brutality on Paki side.
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Prem wrote:Reading above observations affirm my understanding that there never was there wont be anything Indian about Islam and if its true what claim do they have on the land , resources, policy and future of India? What is suprising is the Bihari and UP muslims behind partition got scotch free without worthwhile physical damage. They all should have been sent to high heaven without mercy as part of retaliation for brutality on Paki side.
This is madness folks. Prem: Just because it worked in Punjab in a narrow context, does not mean, it will work everywhere. The ground realities were different. Even in Punjab the madness of the partition, only made Punjab the net looser in this game, with 60% of the land (mostly fertile) lost along with a civilization divided.

Our leaders should have taken their revenge politically, by not giving this cancer of Islamism any space in the country. The policies should have ensured better integration and not separation of communities.

added: Their claim on their land is as much as yours or mine (more in my case), for it is not Islam that makes this claim, it is the individuals that live there.
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ShauryaT wrote:Islam is fairly decentralized too in that sense. Taking out Qazi-Mullah is akin to saying take out the Brahmin Purohit. Islam promotes the idea of a direct relationship of the Individual with their God, without an intermediary. In practice, however, the Qazi-Mullah acts as a leader. Take out this Qazi and new ones will emerge. There is no single structure to take out and solve this problem easily. Not saying that certain actions cannot be taken, even if forced, however, I do not believe there is a magic bullet.
I think it is courageous, Shaurya ji, to equate Brahmins with Qazi-Mullah power structure of Islamic society. And might I say it is an incorrect observation or rather, an incomplete observation.

Firstly, the Indic social structure does not accord power of heaven and hell to Brahmins. It is based on karma. Brahmins are free to come up with new and revolutionary idea and implement it on the people under their sphere of influence, Qazis are not. Brahmins have questioned the implications of particular text from Smritis on society and have reformed the text or changed the magnitude of its importance. Qazis do not have such liberty. The power invested in Qazi-Mullah power-structure is much more higher than the one invested in Brahmins by Varna-structure. Karma theory makes it all the way more difficult for powerful men in Varna system to implement their whims. This is not the case with Qazi-Mullah power-structure.

It is not the matter of taking out one Qazi. It is about paralyzing the system. Making ordinary abdul inaccessible to the mid-cap and top-level enforcers of Qazi-Mullah power structure will give tremendous mileage for soft-power of Indics to influence the general people. Geography of the region also plays important role. So does history and climate of the region.

I am yet to find the correct manner of expressing my ideas regarding this issue as I am still a learner myself on this board. However, there are more than one ways of segregating the top 10-20% of this power structure from general population of obedient Abduls and Ayeshas and making these two groups inaccessible to each other on gross level.

My concern is, sooner of later, policy makers will have to arrive at the conclusion. They can't arrive at the conclusion until the global environment heats up and excites the system above certain high-energy level. What India has to choose is, whether to wait for environment to energize the system all by itself OR to contribute few paise from her own pocket towards energizing the system to desired high-energy state.
Chiron: I am implying no such thing. Not because I am afraid to spell it out but because I do not think any such idea will work, even if the Indian state and its peoples back such an idea, which I doubt. This is not some small part of Spain, where a quick reconquista will do the trick. Our force structures are best focused outside our current borders. Our policies need to do the job inside.
Inside of what, Shaurya ji? India or modern republic of India? There are 7 nations today in India.. The society throughout India is joined at hip and is contiguous. When it comes to this problem, the peace has to be achieved and established throughout India, not just Republic of India. In absence of certain steps (total exchange of populations in 1947), this problem has grown septic and systemic.

And the problem is not about 7 nations in India. The problem is tenuous co-existence of two mutually incompatible meme-complexes in one sample space. The Indic meme-complex does not care about political boundaries in India; nor can it suffer the existence of some other meme-complex (Abrahamic) whose stated aim is to annihilate the Indic meme-complex. One variant of the Abrahamic meme-complex (Christianity) intends to do this by silent converts. The other variant of Abrahamic meme-complex (Islam) intends to do it with converts and territory.

Partition occurred because Indic meme-system and its adherents could not persuade the certain adherents of Islamic meme-system, by love or by force, that it is possible to assimilate Islam in Indic meme-system and still be a muslim in essence. Rather, to be memetically more precise, Indic meme-system failed to create enough pressure to shift the memetic equilibrium in favour of Abrahamic assimilation and absorption into Indic system. It is this failure of Indic-system that lies at the bed-rock of two-nation theory. Abrahamic system is designed to be rabidly exclusive, that is its Dharma. The Dharma of Indic memes is to be inclusive (by love or by force).

The competition between Indic and Abrahamic memes for followers and hence land is not just spiritual and philosophical. It is social-political-economical and also for identity. Employment of Saam-Daam-Danda-Bhed is the need of time.
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To me, it appears that partition cannot be blamed on any single person.

It is clear that the British wanted to retain their empire and towards the last years did everything possible to make it seem like India would not be an could not be one country without the British. The failed partition of Bengal was only the first step. In later years, during WW2 when Roosevelt was applying pressure on Churchill re India, Churchill lied to Roosevelt claiming that 75% of the Indian army were Muslims (Only 20% or so were - ref Narendra Singh Sarila) and that independence to India would cause Hindus to come down and massacre Muslims leading to a failure of the British ability to fight.

Apart from lying to claim that Hindus would finish off Muslims (therefore British rule was necessary) the Brits under Churchill also pompously claimed that they owed a responsibility to millions of "untouchables" who would similarly be mauled by Hindus.

All the India bashing that has gone on since independence from Pakistan and the UN has is roots in pre-independence Britain. Jinnah and his Muslim League friends were there at the right time and place to grab the tempting offers that British perfidy gave them.

The Brits of course were far more sophisticated than a British educated Nehru whom they managed to twist in various ways. Even if Jinnah had not been around - some bakra would have been found to either control India or split it.

But blaming Nehru or anyone else does not exonerate Jinnah.
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Has anyone ever really thought about what is the "essence" of being a Muslim? And whether that essence is compatibel to be fit into any Bharatyia "meme"? Without undermining the basic ideology, and exposing it as essentialy a very dictatorial and paranoid snapshot time-freeze of 7th century Arabia - was there and is there any possibility of proceeding? As long as it remains a credible crutch the power structure will use it. The British never aimed at decosnructing and destroying this power base - they understood the value of preserving it to keep the "Hindu" trimmed to size. So the social engineering for the "Hindu" was never really applied to the "Muslim". That was actually the best time to do this when Muslim military power was at its lowest, it had been defeated and was suffering from a crisis of confidence, it had no political and legislative means of obstructing British administrative policy.

Now, as long as the community has representation - the Mullah will naturally dominate. The "nationalist" Muslim will not be so nationalist as to openly declare (and sincerely) that the basic aims of Jihadi proselytization, and multiplying and removal of all other cultures is anti-Islamic. Only if such a commitment comes through, and not mere lip-service, can there be any progress to assimilation and integration. The test of "nationalism" should have been not identifying with ME Islamic interests in their crisis, and open condemnation of the role of Islamic fundamentalist regimes like that of Saudi Arabia or Iran, or Pakistan - open condemnation of Hudood and Sharia as Arabic and medieval and out of date - and anti-Islam in spirit - these are things that are tests for "nationalist Islam". The muslims were never made to face this test - by the British, nor by the "Hindu" nationalists. The result was the Partition, and the continuing wonderful gift of terrorist Pakistan.
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Yes, it is fundamentally flawed notion of an Indic Muslim.

Brihaspati ji,

Would Kemal Pasha have been successful in India? Muslims in which part of India will most probably offer least resistance to Kemalization, if Kemal Pasha was to take an avatar in India? Kemalization is impossible in Muslim minority provinces, but how about Muslim majority ones?

A Muslim who believes in and accepts the two statements - Eko Sat Vipra Bahuda vadanti and Sarvam Khalu Idam Brahma, is an Indianized Muslim.
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Kemal discredited and throroughly exposed (well the Ottoman fag-end rulers perhaps did not need much exposing anyway) the Ottoman -Islamic identity as being connected to the debacle of the WWI. This thus weakened the prestige of the "Mullah" - a space which he used. The Turks agreed for the severe repression on the Mullah's voice, because Kemal could manage to show that it was the Mullah which was basically responsible for the debacle.

This is precisely what I refer to as a method of going forward. Any method that bolsters or can be used to enhance the self-confidence of the Mullah cannot give us freedom from Jihad.
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Chiron wrote: It is not the matter of taking out one Qazi. It is about paralyzing the system. Making ordinary abdul inaccessible to the mid-cap and top-level enforcers of Qazi-Mullah power structure will give tremendous mileage for soft-power of Indics to influence the general people. Geography of the region also plays important role. So does history and climate of the region.
I have no doubt that tackling the menace of the mullah is an important element of the puzzle, however disagree that the military has a significant role here. The best methods are policies designed to take their thunder away.

Also, I was limiting the similarity to the "leadership" role in that the purohit and mullah play in their respective faiths. Not suggesting that the duties and roles are completely similar and trying to do an equal-equal. The point was, you cannot send an army to annihilate such a leadership, especially since they do not necessarily follow an organized structure in the form of a hierarchical church. It is fairly disbursed and diverse in nature, even if united by an ideological core. You kill a 1000 a day, another 1000 will emerge. It is effectively war against a people, something that will not work in India. There are other ways, which are far more effective and lasting.


Inside of what, Shaurya ji? India or modern republic of India?
Start small, community by community, then the state, then the nation and the neighborhood. That idea of exchange of populations is a utopian European concept, may have worked in little cyprus, this is India. Where do you propose to send the Malabar muslims or the ones in Deccan? How? Have we not seen enough of this partition nonsense. I will request that this talk of exchange of populations and/or armed mass action against them or even regret for such a missed opportunity or even mass armed action against mullahs, stop here and now. Talk of violence against a group just for them being who they are, no matter what we think of their ideology, cannot be justified and more so in the case of India.

I come from a partitioned family. Do not wish this on anyone. Indians have to figure a better way out.

Partition occurred because Indic meme-system and its adherents could not persuade the certain adherents of Islamic meme-system, by love or by force, that it is possible to assimilate Islam in Indic meme-system and still be a muslim in essence. Rather, to be memetically more precise, Indic meme-system failed to create enough pressure to shift the memetic equilibrium in favour of Abrahamic assimilation and absorption into Indic system. It is this failure of Indic-system that lies at the bed-rock of two-nation theory. Abrahamic system is designed to be rabidly exclusive, that is its Dharma. The Dharma of Indic memes is to be inclusive (by love or by force).

The competition between Indic and Abrahamic memes for followers and hence land is not just spiritual and philosophical. It is social-political-economical and also for identity. Employment of Saam-Daam-Danda-Bhed is the need of time.
I agree. Hence, the answer also has to be inclusive, by love and/or by force, exclusion is only a failure of the land of SD.
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munna wrote:
viv wrote:This is being too parochial. There was a difference in philosophies and lots of people, me included, have resented that Bhagat Singh was not saved or that Bose had to leave Congress. Rajguru was also hung. Were Marathis to be cut down too?
You got it wrong, this is not being parochial but dissecting the power struggle that was unleashed in the immediate aftermath of the plan for Indian independence. Bengal and Punjab had historically been hub of anti-British and non-congress nationalist politics and congress was loath to accept any other alternative apart from unquestioned transfer of power to congress with no scope for any other interpretation. Bose and Bhagat Singh were an alternative vision to a Congress vision of India. Thus when they are named they are named as institutions and not mere individuals. The mistake that people often make is to assume that all these shenanigans by congress ended in 1947 they did not! East Punjab was one of first few states in India to elect non-congress Akali-Jan Sangh government which prompted Congress to midwife khalistani radicals in order to discredit Akali-Jan Sangh vision. Politically speaking the partitioned states were not bastions of congress party and were punished for daring to think beyond Nehru-Gandhi.
It appears that you are conflating across time - 1919 - Lala Lajapat Rai , 1923 Bhagat Singh and 1966 and 1981 (Jagat Narain) ...but the most leader of the revoloutionaries, including Bhagat Singh, was Chandra Sekhar Azad - he was neither from Punjab nor from Bengal.

It was, as I said before, a matter of approach - Congress vs others - to the same goal. However there were many in both places who supported both Gandhian as well as the Bhagat Sing/Bose approach. The real shenanigans were those of the British and Muslim League.
The Khalistan or earlier Punjabi Suba is a different chapter.

The discussion in the thread has moved to other more weighty areas rendering the above OT :)
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viv wrote:It appears that you are conflating across time - 1919 - Lala Lajapat Rai , 1923 Bhagat Singh and 1966 and 1981 (Jagat Narain) ...but the most leader of the revoloutionaries, including Bhagat Singh, was Chandra Sekhar Azad - he was neither from Punjab nor from Bengal

Its not conflation but a clear analysis of the trend whereby any approach that was opposed or even apathetic to Nehru-Gandhi complex was summarily dismissed or worse was actively opposed in connivance with British. The same trait of non tolerance for any meaningful opposition to Kangrass rule manifested in late day political shenanigans in various states.
viv wrote:It was, as I said before, a matter of approach - Congress vs others - to the same goal. However there were many in both places who supported both Gandhian as well as the Bhagat Sing/Bose approach. The real shenanigans were those of the British and Muslim League.
The underlined is the official lie passed off as history to unsuspecting public and should be tarred and feathered openly through a brutal debate. Gandhi cannot get away after his grand standing lie of "Partition shall happen over my dead body", worse was problem that people believed his lie and tried to stay back while they could have easily escaped, only to be butchered while Nehru-Gandhi rode all the way to the glory as the leaders of the newly independent dominion. It was not merely that Congress differed in approach but it definitively differed in its approach towards transfer of power and could not bear to share anything with any other stake holder. It sought to abandon or decimate anybody who projected an alternative and for this reason alone they cannot be forgiven. I stand by my assertion that two flanks of India nay the entire India paid dearly for their active hostility to British and Congress Raj.
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brihaspati wrote:Kemal discredited and throroughly exposed (well the Ottoman fag-end rulers perhaps did not need much exposing anyway) the Ottoman -Islamic identity as being connected to the debacle of the WWI. This thus weakened the prestige of the "Mullah" - a space which he used. The Turks agreed for the severe repression on the Mullah's voice, because Kemal could manage to show that it was the Mullah which was basically responsible for the debacle.

This is precisely what I refer to as a method of going forward. Any method that bolsters or can be used to enhance the self-confidence of the Mullah cannot give us freedom from Jihad.
What Kemal did was brave. However, its success is at best limited. For, the people of the land, lacked a viable spiritual alternative. This is where Kemal failed in providing an alternative. This alternative exists for the muslim masses.

We have an Islamic party in power in Turkey today, challenging many of Kemal's "secular" policies. How long will Kemal's policies last in anyone's guess but what it does prove is that the transformation in Turkey is not complete and there is no one magic bullet.
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RayC ji,

The fact of the matter is that British took over the control of India from Hindus and not from Muslims. When British won at Plassey, Marathas were conquering Attock and Peshawar (that same decade). From 1700 to 1818, it was Hindus who dominated the society-politics-economics of the subcontinent and not the muslims. In spite of defeat in third battle of Panipat (1761), Marathas reconquered Delhi and Punjab by 1770. So for all practical purposes, British assumed control of most of India with surrender of Bajirao-2 in 1818. This very propaganda that Macaulisation made "Hindus" aware of their political identity is false.

The political identity of Hindus and their identification of India as their land existed for much longer time. And this was not necessarily parochial world-view. Shivaji established his "Hindavi Swarajya" with the aim of liberating all the sacred rivers of India (Sindhu and Kaveri included). The Panipat campaign of Peshwas was to protect "India" from outsiders which they controlled and commanded for over 110 years.

There was social reformation going on as well along with the political consolidation of Bhaarat by Dhaarmic forces. The caste system was seeing some high degree of motility. Few castes changed their professions. Brahmins became Kshatriyas in large numbers. Atrocities on few lower castes increased. Quite a few other lower castes were elevated to higher castes (Dhangars, Kunbis etc). The religious reconversion was politically patronized. Thousands of temples, libraries, lakes, Dharma-Shalas, roads were re-built all over India.

Hindus already had taken over power from the hands of Muslims in most of India by 1707. By 1750s, the socio-political supremacy of Islam on India was already overthrown. The Islamic ego which you referred to, was already broken by Hindus without any help from non-Indics whatsoever in most of the subcontinent. Marathas, Rajputs, Bundelas, Ahoms, Sikhs are few examples. The British became de-facto dominant power after 1802 (Second anglo-Maratha battle). This is the reason that the staunchest opposition to british rule came from Hindus and not from Muslims. Even without British rule and Macaulay, India was on the road of resurgence.

What Macaulay ensured that he reinstated this image in minds of Hindus and Muslims about vanquished and victors respectively, when the reality was opposite and far more subtle. Hindus who remember and crib about the battles of Panipat, Tarain, Talikota forget about the glorious battles of Bahraich, Raichur, Palkhed and Rajasthan. Is this emancipation? I think not...

The last power in India who was opposing British was Sikhs (Indics again). Although British conquered most of India from Hindus (marathas) they had to conquer rest of the India from Hindus again (Sikhs). So, on what basis is the dream of grandeur of victorious Muslims who lost their 1000 year rule to British, thereby emancipating Hindus, supported and tolerated not only by British, but also by our own people???
If you revisit my post, it will be evident the period in history being addressed is when the British had consolidated because I mentioned the Doctrine of Lapse and MacCauley. Such events were not in existence in the initial stage of British penetration into India.

Indeed the Muslims came as conqueror and the Hindus were vanquished. Before the Islamic hordes descended, I presume it was the Hindus who were the inhabitants.

The Mugal Empire at the height of their power around 1700, controlled most of the Indian Subcontinent — extending from present-day Bangladesh in the east to Balochistan in the west, Kashmir in the north to the Kaveri basin in the south. Its population at that time has been estimated as between 110 and 130 million, over a territory of over 4 million km² (1.5 million mi²).

Therefore, it would be correct to assume that they were de facto rulers of India or whatever name one wants to give for the boundaries to the vast area under the Muslim rule. This fact would always play upon the mind of the Muslim (in the similar manner Hindus look back with pride on their own history that spans not only India, but the neighbourhood too including overseas) and would give the Muslims the perception that they were the once the rulers of Hindustan and that they lost this Empire with finally the British capturing their last vestiges. This ignominy would surely be a grievous blow to their pride, especially since their scriptures exhorts them to feel that they are superior to all and make them sullen make them more insular.

Indeed, there are many reasons for the decline of the Mugal Empire, but that was not the issue. I was alluding to the rationale for the Muslim psyche to keep aloof and sullen from the mainstream during the Raj.

If you read carefully my post I had written ‘The McCaulayisation of India made Hindus in certain parts of India emancipated and aware of their political identity.’ It thus indicates that it was not meant to encompass all regions of India. Further, as is universally known, the Hindus in areas of Muslim rule were compelled to pay Jezia and there were mass conversions. Obviously, had there been the robust Hindu political identity in these areas, then, such activities could not have been executed by the Muslim rulers and satraps. Indeed, one wonders how Akhbar acquired a Hindu princess to be his wife – a heresy to some!!

Indeed Macaulyism did give resurgence to the Hindu identity that was subjugated under Islamic rule. The British had become the rulers and the dominance of the Muslims faded into oblivion. Sullen and ‘disgraced’, the Muslims had become insular and did not participate in the affair of the state, leaving it to the Hindus, especially those who benefited by MacCaulayism, to take up govt post and by virtue of the same, lord it over their once rulers i.e. the Muslim.

On the Hindu caste system, I was merely stating that because inter faith unions were not allowed, there could be no common meeting ground.

I do thank you for informing that Brahmins converted to Ksatriyas.

This is the first time I learn of it. Some links would help or maybe reference to some history books would help to further my education. As far as I know, inter caste marriages were not permitted and inter faith marriages were a taboo. It is only of late that the barriers are breaking and that too most reluctantly.

Just a bit on Hinduism, if I may, just to explain why there is the chasm amongst Hindus and Muslims and its impact on Partitioning of India.

The characteristics of Islam and Hinduism as religions contribute to the mutual isolation. In Islam, unity of one God and uniformity in ways of belief and patterns of worship are fundamental. Islam advocates one God, one scripture, one seal of prophecy. In other words, singularity or unity is characteristic of Islam as a religious tradition.

Hinduism is, instead, characterised by plurality. A Hindu is deemed to be a Hindu whether he worships a number of Gods or one God and even no God. The focal point of Hinduism is not one God but to be worshipful, which is usually referred to by such a Hindu philosopher as Radhakrishnan as respect for truth- Sraddha. I believe there are 330,000,000 gods in Hinduism, and there may be as many ways of worshipping God. Hinduism, therefore, does not refer to one God, one scripture, or one prophet. Just as unity is characteristic of Islam as a religious tradition, plurality is characteristic of Hinduism as a religious tradition.

Islam and Hinduism have other distinctive differences. Islam advocates a kind of theocracy- religious law needs to be political law. The universal ideal needs to be concretised in society and in history. Human beings are vicegerents of God. The Hindu attitude is that the concrete is a stepping stone to the universal ideal but the universal can never be fully concretized in history. That is why, by and large, the Hindu ideal is a-historical or a-political. Islam believes in a final day of judgment; Hindus believe in the cycle of creation and dissolution, the cycle of birth and death. Islam is a missionary religion. For an orthodox Mohammedan, missionary zeal, military power, and political control go together. For Hinduism, the ideal is spiritual freedom, which may not be related to political freedom. Even. Sri Aurobindo changed from a fight for political freedom to a fight for spiritual freedom. The majority of Hindu monastic orders do not become directly involved in political movements.

This is my last post trying to explain the mutually exclusive religious psyche of Hindus and Muslims wherein Partition was the natural result!
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RayC: Please read KS Lal on the rise of muslims in India and also on where did the SC/ST come from. Another site with some excellent original work is infinityfoundation.com
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VIV, not to nit pick but Jagat Narain was just an egoistic, demented, bumbling buffoon like Raj Narain. It is insulting to put his name next to martyrs like Lala Lajpat Rai and Bhagat Singh .
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What Kemal did was brave. However, its success is at best limited. For, the people of the land, lacked a viable spiritual alternative. This is where Kemal failed in providing an alternative. This alternative exists for the muslim masses.

We have an Islamic party in power in Turkey today, challenging many of Kemal's "secular" policies. How long will Kemal's policies last in anyone's guess but what it does prove is that the transformation in Turkey is not complete and there is no one magic bullet.
My post was in response to a question raised about "Kemalization" in Turkey and what Kemal did. The fact that unlike anywhere else in the Islamic world, it was only in Turkey that the repenetration of the "Mullah" was delayed significantly in spite of the best efforts of the Sunni Wahabis and their oil money - shows that Kemal did point in the right direction. After Kemal, the intensity of the focus against the Islamic was bound to grow lax. It is not about a permanent solution by one simple action. Kemal in any case was active in that capacity only for 15 odd years. The alertness and the ruthless suppression is needed for generations within a controlled or defendable territory or nation, and until a single Ulema remains on earth.
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ShauryaT wrote:RayC: Please read KS Lal on the rise of muslims in India and also on where did the SC/ST come from. Another site with some excellent original work is infinityfoundation.com
Thanks.

Does he say that Brahmins changed to Ksatriyas? That is what has intrigued and excited me.
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RayC wrote:
ShauryaT wrote:RayC: Please read KS Lal on the rise of muslims in India and also on where did the SC/ST come from. Another site with some excellent original work is infinityfoundation.com
Thanks.

Does he say that Brahmins changed to Ksatriyas? That is what has intrigued and excited me.
And Shudras became Kshatriyas! I have my own view of what was caste, in medieval and early India but when you get a chance please go through these materials among others. If you approach the official history books with some skepticism and shed the foreign views from which they are written from and adopt an Indic view of the issue, they will make a lot more sense.
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While a pogrom was underway in gujranwala, rawalpindi, sheikhupura, amritsar, jallandar, lahore and other areas, and where people seemed, though this is not certain, lulled into staying; here is a window into the bureaucracy, from an article dated
Monday, Jul. 14, 1947
INDIA: The Legatees

On U.S. Independence Day, Britain's Prime Minister Clement Attlee presented to the House of Commons an Indian independence bill. It was, said the bespectacled, scholarly Earl of Listowel, last Secretary of State for India, a "nice, neat, tidy little bill." The bill was certainly neater than the mess Indians will try to clear up before the British leave on August 15.

Last week the Indians were tussling with the complexities brought by the partition of India. They agreed on one major problem: partition of the Indian Army. In the first stage it will be split on the basis of religious communities, with Moslem-majority units going into the Pakistan forces, non-Moslem majority units into the Indian Army. Next April, each soldier will be allowed to transfer to the army of the state where his religion is predominant.

In effect, two new armies will be built up from scratch. Last week the British-owned Calcutta Statesman lamented: "Within nine months, therefore, unless plans have meanwhile to be altered under pressure of events, the best army in Asia (with the possible exception of that which Russia keeps in Siberia) will, we reckon, be reduced to about a sixth of its present military value—perhaps less."

Typewriters & Inkpots. Meanwhile, Moslems and Hindus were wrangling over their shares of the inheritance from the British Raj. Fifty committees set up to divide the Government's assets proceeded along 50 different lines. The Moslem League wanted one-fourth of India's assets, but was not willing to pay one-fourth of the $6 billion national debt. Railway rolling stock will probably remain on that side of the border where it stands on independence day. (The Moslem League accused the Hindu-controlled Government of switching brand-new American locomotives from Pakistan areas to Delhi, substituting old, burnt-out engines.) The 40,000 staff members of New Delhi's vast imperial Secretariat were busy last week counting typewriters and almirahs (cabinets), carpets and inkpots. Typists worked four hours a day overtime copying files, so that each of the two new Governments would have a set. Moslems and Hindus accused each other of stealing files that both wanted.

Hindus accused the Minister of Communications, Moslem Leaguer Abdur Rab Nishtar, of carting off to Karachi (temporary capital of Pakistan) every piece of telephone and telegraph equipment he could lay hands on. Calcutta's Hindu press said that Bengal's Prime Minister Huseyn Shabad Suhrawardy, a Moslem, was stripping western Bengal (which will be part of Hindu India) of food, clothing, machinery and hospital equipment.

Moslems claimed for Pakistan the famed Moslem-built Taj Mahal at Agra, deep in Hindu India, only 100 miles from New Delhi. Extremist Hindus retaliated by claiming the river Indus (deep in Pakistan), on the ground that the sacred Hindu Vedas had been written on its banks some 25 centuries ago.
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Re: A look back at the partition

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Once a Prince of Sarila: Of Palaces and Tiger Hunts, Of Nehrus and Mountbattens

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Hanumant Singh, the heir of Jodhpur, who was a few years
senior to me at school, was a fat, rambunctious boy whom the
sons of the nobles of Jodhpur at Mayo treated like a demigod.
He made waves as soon as he succeeded his father, Maharaja
Umaid Singh, shortly before the British departure. I shall relate
in the appropriate chapter how he scared Nehru and Patel out
of their wits by entering into negotiations with Mr Jinnah to
join Pakistan
. He also surprised Mountbatten when, during the
negotiations for Jodhpur’s accession to India in the governor
general’s house in August 1947, he whipped out a revolver
concealed in a pen and threatened to shoot V. P. Menon, the
Secretary of the Ministry of States
, if, after having signed the
Instrument of Accession, Delhi failed to provide wheat to the
famine stricken people of Jodhpur.
Once he lost his kingdom in 1948 Hanumant Singh, now
hellbent on proving his popularity in a democratic election,
threw down the gauntlet before his ‘chief enemy’, the Congress
Party leader of Jodhpur, Jai Narayan Vyas. In the first election
held for the assembly of the new Rajasthan state into which
Jodhpur had been merged in 1952, his nominees won 25 of the
33 seats he contested against the Congress Party and J. N. Vyas
lost his deposit. Unfortunately, before he could hear the news
of his dazzling victory, Hanumant Singh was killed in a plane
crash that very day
. Today, his son, Gaj Singh, is one of the
most respected ex-rulers of Rajasthan.
...............
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But before I go on, let me quote what Maharaja Hanumant
Singh of Jodhpur, who was with me at school, told me some
time later about the approaches made to him to keep out of
India
.


‘In July 1947 Jinnah Sahib sent word through a prominent
Muslim of Jodhpur inviting the Maharaja of Jaisalmer (a
state that also bordered Pakistan) and me to his house at 10
Aurangzeb Road in New Delhi.’ Hanumant Singh said:
Jaisalmer did not go but sent his Maharajkumar [heir
apparent] with me. Zafrullah Khan [soon to be Pakistan’s
first foreign minister] was also there. Jinnah Sahib told us
that if we joined our states to Pakistan he would transfer
the border districts with Rajput populations from West
Pakistan’s Sind province to our states, give us free access to
Karachi port and complete autonomy. And [he] pushed
across the table a blank paper with his signature on it,
saying that we could fill in our other terms for acceding to
Pakistan
. Expecting trouble from the Congress wallas after
independence, Narendra, I was frankly tempted. But M. K.
Jaisalmer suggested we first consult my mother, the
dowager Maharani. So I thanked Mr Jinnah for his offer
and told him that we would think about it and then
return. As soon as I said this Jinnah pulled back rather
brusquely the blank paper with his signature that I held in
my fingers. The bloody fellow probably thought I was
going to run away with it
. When we returned to Jodhpur
to consult my mother, I found the old lady and the sardars
[Jodhpur’s powerful feudal lords] adamant on the Rathors
[Jodhpur’s clan] linking ourselves with the Islamites. So I
dropped the idea.


In fact Jodhpur did not drop the idea until almost the eve of
independence. When Mountbatten finally virtually forced him
to sign up with India, it was not before indulging in the
theatrics I have described in an earlier chapter, which demonstrated
his confusion.
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