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Israel has said that it does not need lessons in morality from a committee established by Syria, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Malaysia and Somalia.
Responding to the findings of the Goldstone Commission Report with regard to the Israel Defence Force (IDF) aggression in the Gaza Strip earlier in 2009, Foreign Ministry spokesman Yossi Levy said: "Israel has examined itself in the light of day in innumerable investigations and a robust system of independent courts."
"We have nothing to be ashamed of, and don't need lessons in morality from a committee established by Syria, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Malaysia and Somalia."
Israel is 'nauseated and furious about a report that did not surprise us in its imbalance, but did surprise us in the lack of any real pretense to balance,' he said, calling it 'one of the most disgraceful documents in the long collection of shameful documents put out by the United Nations.'
"The immediate message of this report is: Terror pays. It says that terrorists who attack Jews, unlike terrorists who attack Americans, Spaniards, or other Arabs, will earn the protection of the UN," he said.
Public Diplomacy Minister Yuli Edelstein said: "It hurts when people without morals pretend to be warriors for human rights. They accuse us of persecuting critics of the government? As someone who was tried and imprisoned in the struggle for human rights as a Soviet Jewish refusenik, I have to note the irony that not only are these critics not persecuted, they enjoy long and happy careers with wonderful salaries because of their criticism of Israel."
The 575-page report, which was released ahead of its presentation to the UN Human Rights Council later this month, contained multiple specific instances of alleged war crimes.
Karachi, September 16: The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) has expressed hope that the drought of international tournaments for the national squad would soon be over with several foreign tours and multi nation events scheduled for the next few months.
After virtually spending the last six months in hibernation, Pakistan has a packed cricket calendar in the forthcoming ten months.
Starting from the elite eight-nation ICC Champions Trophy beginning September 22, Pakistan would be touring three continents for a number of Test, one-day and twenty20 matches.
Pakistan is scheduled to 'host' New Zealand for four One-day Internationals and two Twenty20 matches in Abu Dhabi and Dubai next month. It will then fly to New Zealand to participate in a three match 'home' Test series against the Black Caps in November-December.
Then follows the tough tour of Australia, where they would be playing three Tests, five ODIs and a Twenty20 game. Later, in 2010, Pakistan would be seen defending their ICC World T20 Champions title in the Carribeans.
And hope springs eternal
Bari also expressed hope that international cricket would soon return to Pakistan and claimed that the security scenario was getting better in the country with time.
surinder wrote:Batala was the center of Xtian activity in the Punjab.
Troublesome thing is that nowadays the EJ activies have a marked increase in the Punjab, once thought impermeable to Xtian influence. Many Sikhs are being asked to cut hair & change names to "Robert" "Michael" to secure admissions etc. Clarification: All anecdotal evidence only, nothing ankhon dekha.
I have seen EJ programs by "Joyce Meyer Ministries" (www.joycemeyer.org) on Doordarshan, dubbed into various regional languages, including Punjabi. I wonder what the policies are for using government owned media for such purposes.
To play the devils advocate , How is Robert or a Micheal a Xtian name. It might be a western name but not a Xtian name. Why can't someone with name of Suresh or Anil or Ramzan be a Xtian at least in Indian subcontinent.
Pacer Sohail Tanvir is among the six Pakistani players banned from playing at the ground here after being charged with ball-tampering and abusing the umpires during a Ramadan festival Twenty20 match.
They continue to harass the honest, Allah fearing momin.
All they have done is display Pakistaniyat, thats all.
surinder wrote:Munna,
I haven't met Punjabi Xtians from India. Can you tell me more about them? Are they also from the so-called "lower" castes?
Well speaking from my personal experience yes the Masihs are from lower castes and a lot of them were converted during British Raj. The converts came from lower caste Hindus, Sikhs and Muslims across entire Punjab hence they are found in Pakjab and Indian Punjab. My grampy's shadow was one such convert whose dad converted because he saw Jesus in his dream promising him a lesser sentence for the petty crime he committed and was being tried for by lahore police's gora officers.
Sadler wrote:
Careful opening this link. I had mcafee throw up all sorts of warnings.
Sadler, I've got McAfee site advisor. And it specifically says that the site is tested and there's no problems. My other antivirus says its clean too.
might be some script running in one of the advt when he opened the page, which was not the same advt when u opened the page(advt's are dynamically served)
The Sindh additional advocate general, doubting the appointment of a petitioner, on Wednesday told the SHC that as per government policy, no Muslim could be appointed as a sweeper.
That was why when the traditional Hindus who were cleaners wanted to leave Karachi for India in 1948, Jinnah and Liaquat Ali Khan imposed a ban on them.
fjauin wrote:So why are they [Pakis] are seen cleaning the toilets in Middle East?
I call it caste system! They [all Muslims except Arabs] are called Munafiqum[hypocrites and not true Muslims]. Mohammed made it clear, only the Arabs are the best.
In order to cover-up, that they are lesser being[Pakistanis]. They pretend to be more Muslim than the prophets; hence fanaticism. True sign of inferiority complex.
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The new terminology 'anti-state network' refers to bad-Taliban. Perhaps, this Captain was linked with Lal Masjid clerics and was training 'bed-Taliban' in terror tactics. In a Pakistan awash with terrorism-linked military officers, both serving and retired, this is not a big news, only that he happened to be in the opposite camp in the current context. Sometime later, the context might change and he will be released and eulogised.
A retired army captain was picked up by a joint team of police and an intelligence agency from the outskirts of the city on Wednesday for his alleged links with an anti-state network.
Sources said that the suspect was picked up during a raid in Rawat.
Sources said that the retired captain lived in Islamabad’s posh F-/6 area and worked in the artillery department of Pakistan Army before he was forced to retire. Once he contested the general election for a National Assembly seat from the capital.
The suspect runs a company, ‘Care and Carrying’, in Rawat, where retired personnel of security forces and security guards are trained in anti-terrorism skills by a private foreign company.
The sources said that 200 personnel who had recently completed training were deployed with officials of the foreign company in Islamabad and Peshawar.
“We want a dialogue (with India) but we are not willing to accept any conditions... We want talks in an open and friendly atmosphere. They (India) are mistaken if they think they can achieve anything by putting pressure on Pakistan,” Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi told reporters in Lahore ahead of his departure for the U.S. India had been issuing statements and taking up issues like terrorism with the world community to “put Pakistan on the defensive.”
Mr. Qureshi said India’s decision not to continue efforts to resolve issues like the Kashmir problem through the composite dialogue would have “consequences”, but did not elaborate.{This is a threat indeed. Pakistan has been continuously threatening us especially after the SeS episode}
" . . . but these terrorists and extremists, particularly in recent years, have become much more linked. So yes, it’s al-Qaeda, but it’s also the Taliban; it’s also LeT (Lashkar-e-Taiba); it’s also TTP(Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan), it’s JuD (Jamaat-ud-Dawa), it’s JeM (Jaish-e-Mohammad), and all of them have the same kind of outlook,”
Really ? An ex-President saying how a government and a military headed by him diverted funds is to be taken as a private citizen's blabber ?
United States' envoy to India Timothy J Roemer on Thursday downplayed Pervez Musharraf's recent admission -- about diverting US funds, meant for fighting terrorism, against India -- claiming it was the former Pakistan President's opinion as a private citizen.
WASHINGTON: Acting against its own interests and unmindful of Indian national security, the United States lavished big ticket arms worth $ 4.5 billion on Pakistan between 2005 and 2008 even as Washington now frets about Islamabad’s diversion of military equipment away from the war on terrorism.
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However, the Obama administration is up against lawmakers who fancy themselves as long-standing and deep-thinking policy experts who feel the way out of the Af-Pak wrangle is to throw more money at Islamabad before calling it to account. For what it is worth though, the Obama administration is now sending audit teams to Islamabad to monitor the disbursal and use of US aid. The first such team is visiting Islamabad this week.
This is what I meant when I said (in the previous iteration) the Mushy's rambling could hamper future prospective military aid to TSP (the one designated for "fighting" the AlQ and Taliban). Not that I think it will happen, but it makes it more difficult for the US administration to dole out the bounty without asking about it. TSP may not have much accountability, but the GoTUS has to answer internally.
“We want a dialogue (with India) but we are not willing to accept any conditions... We want talks in an open and friendly atmosphere. They (India) are mistaken if they think they can achieve anything by putting pressure on Pakistan,” Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi told reporters in Lahore ahead of his departure for the U.S. India had been issuing statements and taking up issues like terrorism with the world community to “put Pakistan on the defensive.”
Mr. Qureshi said India’s decision not to continue efforts to resolve issues like the Kashmir problem through the composite dialogue would have “consequences”, but did not elaborate.{This is a threat indeed. Pakistan has been continuously threatening us especially after the SeS episode}
See the chutzpah. They clealry want to cash the Mumbai check. But the threat is obvious. Just a green signal to LeT cadres in Srinagar to resume operations; followed up protests by their puppets. It will the repeat of the same old stalemate.
Really ? An ex-President saying how a government and a military headed by him diverted funds is to be taken as a private citizen's blabber ?
United States' envoy to India Timothy J Roemer on Thursday downplayed Pervez Musharraf's recent admission -- about diverting US funds, meant for fighting terrorism, against India -- claiming it was the former Pakistan President's opinion as a private citizen.
He may well be right!
But then osama and the 9/11 jokers were also private citizens, right?
archan wrote:This is what I meant when I said (in the previous iteration) the Mushy's rambling could hamper future prospective military aid to TSP (the one designated for "fighting" the AlQ and Taliban). Not that I think it will happen, but it makes it more difficult for the US administration to dole out the bounty without asking about it. TSP may not have much accountability, but the GoTUS has to answer internally.
Archan, the US Administration are masters in dealing with such issues. If you consider the fact that the Pressler Amendment was made precisely to let the Pakistanis escape constraints on their efforts at building nuclear weapons, and several clauses in that Amendment were drafted in Pakistan by Pakistanis, then handling this matter of fund diversion is child's play.
You mean to say our Jalebi is less connected? huh? she was just having mercy on the lady Atim Bum. The wimmen in the center though looks fit for a role in a Lollywood flick.
SSridhar wrote:That was why when the traditional Hindus who were cleaners wanted to leave Karachi for India in 1948, Jinnah and Liaquat Ali Khan imposed a ban on them.
I didn't know that. Can you provide more details? Did they stop them so they can be a bonded laboror for this very purpose?
surinder, yes, the Bhangis do all the sewer work and garbage collection because the Muslims are not allowed to do that.
On Jan 6, 1948, two hundred Sikhs arrived in Karachi from interior Sind and were put up in Gurdwara before boarding a steamer to Bombay. They were surrounded and massacred and then erupted the violence that engulfed Karachi. For its part, Dawn, founded by the secularist and the constitutionalist Jinnah, fomented ill-will towards Hindus and Sikhs. The Hindus of Karachi, among whom were hundreds of Bhangis who traditionally did the 'dirty job' that the purest were disallowed from doing, decided to leave en masse to India. In those days, Karachi did not have underground sewers and manual scavenging was a norm. These were not only Hindus but also Christian converts from Hinduism and the government ordered to "slow down migration of such persons who constitute the essential services of the province". The Indian High Commissioner, Sri Prakasa, met Liaqat Ali Khan and said " surely God did not create the Hindus to clean the roads and latrines of Karachi". But, Liaqat Ali Khan shot back " Who would clean the streets and latrines of Karachi in case these Hindus did not come back ?" Jinnah even ordered their leader, Magsi Bhagwan, to go to India and bring the sweepers back. He told him, "We will give you whatever you need, housing, employment, education for your children".
Read Alice Albinia's wonderful book, " Empires of the Indus".
My immense thanks for details of the incident & the citation.
It is interesting that you read more and more details of Jinnah & the TSP-founders and you find very cold, brutal & heartless people. It sends shivers down my spine; the utter lack of humanity in them. (And the intellectuals amongst us only want to comment with glee of the secularism of Jinnah & his food & drink choices.)
My immense thanks for details of the incident & the citation.
It is interesting that you read more and more details of Jinnah & the TSP-founders and you find very cold, brutal & heartless people. It sends shivers down my spine; the utter lack of humanity in them. (And the intellectuals amongst us only want to comment with glee of the secularism of Jinnah & his food & drink choices.)
Surinder, You can also read G. Morehouse: To the Frontier
Islamabad: About 24 men were paraded "semi-naked" in a busy market by a Pakistani official after he caught them violating a ban on eating in public places during the holy month of Ramzan.
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Under existing rules, eateries across Pakistan are barred from serving food from dawn to dusk, the period for fasting during Ramzan.
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First Published: 21:48 IST(17/9/2009)
Last Updated: 22:02 IST(17/9/2009)
At least two Border Security Force jawans have been reportedly injured in a cross-border firing this evening. The firings took place between 6:45-7:15 pm, from the Pakistan side of the border. According to TV reports, the firing was reported from Akhnoor area in Jammu.
Islamabad: About 24 men were paraded "semi-naked" in a busy market by a Pakistani official after he caught them violating a ban on eating in public places during the holy month of Ramzan.
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Err, Just wondering what happens when these 'semi-naked' mards excite and titillate other TFTA mards during the month of Ramzaan? Is that even halaal?
First Published: 21:48 IST(17/9/2009)
Last Updated: 22:02 IST(17/9/2009)
At least two Border Security Force jawans have been reportedly injured in a cross-border firing this evening. The firings took place between 6:45-7:15 pm, from the Pakistan side of the border. According to TV reports, the firing was reported from Akhnoor area in Jammu.
Something big is cooking
China is upping the ante, Bakistan doing its best to provoke, Scientists and ex Armed forces chiefs airing doubts about the nook programme....
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Faisalabad: The Pakistani authorities have filed two separate cases against Hafiz Saeed, the alleged mastermind of the 26/11 Mumbai terror attacks and chief of the banned Jamaat-Ud-Dawa group, a media report said on Thursday.
The cases were filed in two police stations in Faisalabad on the basis of sermons Saeed made recently, expressing his grave concerns over the stand by India, Israel and the US on Pakistan's nuclear assets.
He also expressed concern over the Pakistani government's change in Kashmir policy during his sermons at iftar parties Aug 26 and 27 in Faisalabad.
Hafiz Saeed has also been indicted on "charges of appealing for jihad fund" despite a strict ban on such appeals, the Online news agency reported.
New Delhi: Ahead of meeting his Pakistani counterpart Shah Mehmood Qureshi in New York later this month, External Affairs Minister S.M. Krishna on Thursday said India is awaiting more action against the perpetrators of the Mumbai terror attacks, including Hafiz Saeed.
Hafiz Saeed is the brain behind the Mumbai attacks, Krishna told IBN7 in an interview broadcast on Thursday night.
"India is waiting for more action against the perpetrators of the Mumbai terror attacks," he said.
Pakistan files 2 cases against Hafiz Saeed
Krishna said Pakistan should act on the evidence and additional information provided by India against Hafiz Saeed, the founder of Jamaat-ud-Dawa and suspected mastermind of the 26/11 carnage, and bring all the other accused terrorists to justice.
Meanwhile the good old dossier pe dossier, dossier pe dossier, dossier pe dossier, goes on.
India has provided six dossiers to Pakistan about the alleged complicity of Pakistani militants in the November 26, 2008, Mumbai attacks, but New Delhi feels nothing concrete has been done to bring the culprits to justice nearly ten months after the terror spree.
