Bharat Rakshak

Not 400%, but 400,000% matches the Pakjabi. It is not merely the version of the Punjabi language they use, nor is it the accent, you can sense the Pakjabi in diction, emphasis, style, male bonhomie, cold-bloodedness, swashbuckling attitudes, sudden & interesting switch to Urdu at key places, the false sense of sympathy & concern in the controllers voice when Mujs's die off, the religion-based goading the controller spits off. It is written all over the conversation. Those who know these type of folks, have no doubt.

Sad to see the sons of the soils of Punjab fall down to this level. From leading happy lives with brotherly love, they are chasing unrealistic goals with these orgies of mayhem. Punjabi is the new language of khaauf. Perhaps this is what RoP does to a person. If I was the Turkish couple that was spared because they were RoP members, I would would renounce my faith.

Transcript of the Audio recording of the 26/11 mumbai terror attacks as prepared by shiv. The timelines of the audio are given in the transcript heading along with the location.
http://s8.photobucket.com/albums/a11/cy ... 11-aud.flv
http://rapidshare.com/files/313820041/26-11AUD.mp3

C: = Controller in Pakistan
T: = Terrorist

0:00
C: ...Laggey te Insha’Allah kamiabi hai. Allah te jannatan twada intezar kar rahi yaan ne.
T: Insha'Allah Insha'Allah
0:07
C: Haan kaerin, usko bithayien, uska jo hai na, mooh rakhein aagey ko, aur sar ki hai na, back side pe na rakh ke usko maarein

0:16
C: Aye na matlab, aye aye, anje kamm hove ke rehendi duniya tak khauf jeda hai ni oh jaari rave.

0:23
C: Accha jeda kashti wech banda si, twadey naal ek, maar ditta si?
T: Haan? Haanji haanji.
C: Jeda kashti de wech banda si twadey kole, launch wicchey, unnoo maar ta si?
T: Haanji haanji, unnoo khatam kar ditta si.
C: Kaadey naal marya.
T: Unnoo ziba kitta si.

0:39
C: Matlab naa, aye, islam aur kufr da maharkat hai, matlab, Asi oh bandey aan jinnu allah ne apne apne, deen di sudhaan wastey kaafiran nu harij kitta

0:51 Taj Palace Hotel
C: Bambay ka, aur is trikey se jo hai na, bahut saare log zakhmi hain, maare gaye maare gayen hain, aur takreeban who keh rahein hain ki pachaas se zaid jo hai na, shehar, poorey madakhalat, poorey shehar mein is wakat firing ho rahi hai, (Laughing in the background) aag lagi huyi hai har taraf, log mar rahe hain.
To allah ke fazal se, allah ne aapse bahot kaam liya hai theek hai na.
T: Alhamdulillah
C: To merazir is wakat aap ka

1:15
C: Insha’Allah allah tala ne twadey wastey, jannat bilkul kareeb hai twadey Insha’Allah.
T: Insha’Allah
C: Te asal che ase dunia aasdi pai aa mera khayal hai ke twahnoo yaad karan na koi…

1:25
C: Matlab anje anje uh, kaam hove ke dunia de che khauf jeda hai na, o khauf na, o kaari rawey.

1:38
C: Lekin na, main aapko keh raha tha na, ke aapka ek maara banda, wahan pe pachaas mare bandon ke barabar hai.

1:42 Nariman House
C: Don’t worry Jayna, just sit back and relax and, don’t worry and just wait for them to contact, OK?
Hostage: Yes sir.
C: And save your energy for good days haan? If they, if they contact right now, maybe you gonna, ah ah, you know, celebrate your Sabbath with your family.

1:59 Oberoi Trident


Fahadulla


Abdul Rehman Chota


T (Fahadulla): As-Salāmu ‘Alaykum
C: Wa `Alaykum Salaam, hazrat ki haal ne Fahadulla maharazir, khariyat hai?
T (Fahadulla): Alhamdul illah, Abdul rehman bahi allah no pyare ho gaye.
C: Accha? Twadey kol hi ne?
T (Fahadulla): Ji kol ne.
C: Allah unna di shahadat nu kabool karey
T (Fahadulla): Kamre noo aag laggie hai agar media noo dikha rahe ne te., khirkian te bathroom vi.

---grenade explosion—

2:25 Oberoi Trident
C: Giraftari wali, marazir, shakal nai paida hone deni, aye gal da khayal rakhin.
T (Fahadulla): Insha'Allah Insha'Allah.

2:35 Oberoi Trident
C: Fahadulla, marazir, ladai di koi shakal bandi nahi hai ke tu kudh baar nikal ke, aggey ho ke ladein, grenade suut ke tey, nikalan di utthon koshih karein. Taaki forward wal jaa sakein.
T (Fahadulla): Gernade sitt dittey ne dono hi.

--Gunshot—
C: Ah tey himmat karni hai manazir, ghabrana nai hai, Insha’Allah, dekho na goli laggey tey Insha’Allah kaamiabbi hi hai. Allah
T (Fahadulla): haan ji.
C: tey jannatan twada intezar kar rahiyaan ne.
T (Fahadulla): Insha’Allah
C: Allah twadi hifazat karey. Te himmat kar ke beta.

C: Tey tusi phone jeb chey hi rakho beshak na.

--Grenade explosion - - beeping sound – Gunshots--

C: Arrey

-- Gunshots --

C: Hello, Fahadulla? Fahadulla?

3:29 Nariman House
Babar Imran


Nasir @ Abu Umar


Transcript between the Controller and Babar Imran. Babar Imran doesn’t understand Punjabi very well it seems, so the conversation is in Urdu. Also Babar Imran is a leader of sorts, and is instructing his companion on how to fight.

Mumbling in the background
C: Gal suno,
T (Babar Imran): ji ji,
C: Aah,
(Instructions at the background on the controller side)
C: einaa nu na tussi, huney hi ?maar? deyo, jaan chudaoo yaar apni. Kisi time vi assault shuru ho jana hai, te einna ne rah jana hai picchey hi.
T (Babar Imran): Nai Insha’Allah filhaal, koi movement nahi hai meri taraf.
C: Nai nai yaar na intezaar karein. Pata hai jis waqt fire shuru hona hai na, who na rahe ki, kini ki soorat-e-haal hoti hai, kis andaaz mein hoga, kitni intensity se hoga.

Iske intezaar ke bajay aap na inko na aise rakhein ke, ke na iska jo goli hai na, peechey, saamne wali dewaar se repel ho kay aapki taraf wapas naa aye.
T (Babar Imran): Insha’Allah Insha’Allah
C: Main hold rakhta hoon na.
C: Karein karein, maine kaha, main sun raha hoon karein karein.
T (Babar Imran): Fire kar dein?
C: Haan kaerin, usko bethayin, uska jo hai na, mooh rakhein aagey ko, aur sar ki na backside pe rakh ke na, uspe maarein fire.
T (Babar Imran): Darasal mein maine Umar (Nasir @ Abu Umar) ko abhi sulaaya tha, main main soch raha tha chalo, thodi der so leta hoon. Toh uski bhi tabiyat thodi na-saaz thi
C: Nahi nahi
T (Babar Imran): Main na, aadha ghanta thehar ke, phir dubaara aapko phone karta hoon, phir us waqat karna haan.

4:39 Nariman House
T (Babar Imran): As-Salāmu ‘Alaykum
C: Alhamdulillah, haan ji bhaijaan.
T (Babar Imran): Woh naraaz nahi hona, thodi setting na, baar baar khayal aa raha tha, change ki hai toh, abhi aap ke saamney
C: Kaam ho gaya hai ki nahi abhi?
T (Babar Imran): Abhi aap ke saamney, main isiliye aapki call ka intezaar kar raha tha, aapke saamney ho to aapke haath.
C: Karein, Chale karein Bismi-llāh.
T (Babar Imran): Haan ji hore
C: Karein Bismi-llāh.

Mumbling in the background

T (Babar Imran):

-- Gunshot - -

T (Babar Imran): Hello
C: Haan ji haan ji.
T (Babar Imran): OK
C: Haan abhi ek hua naa?
T (Babar Imran): Dono eksaath

5:18 Nariman House
Helicopter’s rotor noise
T (Babar Imran): Main bhi yeh soch raha hoon ke aaj, hamein na, aaj waise bhi jumma hai, toh hamein aaj takraa jaana chahiye.

-- Gunshot - -

C: Jitna zor lagaein

--Gunshot—
C: Lagao lagao, lagao lagao, saale ko lagao

T (Babar Imran): Fire shuru ho gaya hai, fire shuru ho gaya hai.
C: Karo karo karo
T (Babar Imran): Baraabar se, fire shuru ho gaya hai.
T (Babar Imran): Umar, cover lo cover lo

-- Gunshots - -

T (Babar Imran): Ho-, Ha-, Ha-, hamare kamre mein fire shuru ho gaya hai. Hamare kamre mein. Hamare kamre mein fire shuru ho gaya hai.

6:00
T (Babar Imran): As-Salāmu ‘Alaykum , As-Salāmu ‘Alaykum
C: As-Salām, Wa `Alaykum as-Salaam haan ji.
T (Babar Imran): Mujhe fire lag gaya hai, dua karein.
C: Haan ji?
T (Babar Imran): Mujhe fire lag gaya hai, dua karein. Hafiz se
C: Allah tala, kahan laga hai, kahan laga hai?
T (Babar Imran): Mere
C: Kahan laga hai?
T (Babar Imran): Mere bazoo pe laga hai, paon pe laga hai.
C: Allah, Allah tala, allah tala aapki hifazaat karey. Unke log bhi zakhmi ho rahe hain, woh le jaa rahein hain hospital
T (Babar Imran): First entry se humney, commando maar diya hai hamne, dua karein bila mujhe shahadat hasil ho
C: Alhamdulillah, Alhamdulillah
T (Babar Imran): Khuda hafiz

-------------------- ------------------- ------------------------- ----------------------
Regards
Gagan.

There are so many sources for the various transcripts between the piglets and their handlers.

But, how about the telephonic conversations with the media which were reported during the crisis with some obscure media channel getting a call from the piglets claiming that they were a part of the Indian Mujahideen?

Does anyone have a copy of those conversations? Who out of the 10 terrorists was calling the media?

Edited -
Supposed to be from Nariman house.

^^^

Thanks Gagan!
I think this voice does match Babar Imran the Ajay Devgan look alike from Nariman House! No?

And this chap did identify himself as "Imran" because we see that the media was referring to him as Imran.

From the phone transcripts it appears that this Babar Imran was their leader, and the most motivated, hence he was given the task to speaking to the media.

Whats surprising is that out of all the media coming out of India these days? Picking India TV in particular which is quite obscure compared to some of the big ones is in IMO a little unusual....

Gagan wrote:And this chap did identify himself as "Imran" because we see that the media was referring to him as Imran.

From the phone transcripts it appears that this Babar Imran was their leader, and the most motivated, hence he was given the task to speaking to the media.

In the following excahnge the terrorist in nariman house is ordered to kill the hostages but gives the excuse that a fellow terrorist Umar is asleep (feeling unwell) and his beauty sleep will be disturbed. Half an hour later teh terroists apologetically claims that he had to "change some things" and would shoot the hostages while on the line. Then only one gunshot is heard which he claims killed both.

I just wonder of the bastartd was sexually assulting the hostages as reported in the link at bottom "changing things a bit" and saying 'Naraaz nahi hona"?

Gagan wrote: Iske intezaar ke bajay aap na inko na aise rakhein ke, ke na iska jo goli hai na, peechey, saamne wali dewaar se repel ho kay aapki taraf wapas naa aye.
T (Babar Imran): Insha’Allah Insha’Allah
C: Main hold rakhta hoon na.
C: Karein karein, maine kaha, main sun raha hoon karein karein.
T (Babar Imran): Fire kar dein?
C: Haan kaerin, usko bethayin, uska jo hai na, mooh rakhein aagey ko, aur sar ki na backside pe rakh ke na, uspe maarein fire.
T (Babar Imran): Darasal mein maine Umar (Nasir @ Abu Umar) ko abhi sulaaya tha, main main soch raha tha chalo, thodi der so leta hoon. Toh uski bhi tabiyat thodi na-saaz thi
C: Nahi nahi
T (Babar Imran): Main na, aadha ghanta thehar ke, phir dubaara aapko phone karta hoon, phir us waqat karna haan.

4:39 Nariman House
T (Babar Imran): As-Salāmu ‘Alaykum
C: Alhamdulillah, haan ji bhaijaan.
T (Babar Imran): Woh naraaz nahi hona, thodi setting na, baar baar khayal aa raha tha, change ki hai toh, abhi aap ke saamney
C: Kaam ho gaya hai ki nahi abhi?
T (Babar Imran): Abhi aap ke saamney, main isiliye aapki call ka intezaar kar raha tha, aapke saamney ho to aapke haath.
C: Karein, Chale karein Bismi-llāh.
T (Babar Imran): Haan ji hore
C: Karein Bismi-llāh.

Mumbling in the background

T (Babar Imran):

-- Gunshot - -

T (Babar Imran): Hello
C: Haan ji haan ji.
T (Babar Imran): OK
C: Haan abhi ek hua naa?
T (Babar Imran): Dono eksaath
.

http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/20 ... ling-them/

Sorry about the gore - but it does not bother me. Look at the image carefully. The victims have been made to remove their clothes and there are bloodstains on the buttock and upper thigh region of the lady.


I am preserving this stuff to highlight the greatness of Pakistaniyat and the job that Pakistanis claim that Allah wants them to do.

^^^

I know that a lot of people will get sick and complain about these pics for the naked violence displayed in them. But, we need these pictures to be shown to all and sundry so that people will never forget what happened and a fire burns inside each and every one of us to ensure that the monsters who perpetrated this ghastly crime against humanity in the name of Allah don't get away scott free. Which is what seems to be happening so far

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/128629

"It was clear that they were killed on Wednesday. It was obvious that they were tied up and tortured before they were killed. It was so bad that I do not want to go over the details even in my head again," he said.

Another doctor commented, "It was very strange. I have seen so many dead bodies in my life, and was yet traumatized. A bomb blast victim's body might have been torn apart and could be a very disturbing sight. But the bodies of the victims in this attack bore such signs about the kind of violence of urban warfare that I am still unable to put my thoughts to words," he said.

The bodies of the terrorists were also in very poor condition; doctors reported that they were unable to identify the bodies of many of the terrorists because of their decimated state. Medical personnel who examined the bodies of the terrorists stated, "Their faces were beyond recognition. One official told the Indian website, "The security forces that brought the bodies told us [they] were the bodies of the terrorists," adding there was no other way they could have identified them.

anishns wrote: I know that a lot of people will get sick and complain about these pics for the naked violence displayed in them.

We must never complain about something that is done in the name of God. The 26-11 gunners had Allah's name on their lips no? Why should anyone complain?

We only know the end result that people were killed.

The those dead people have a story to tell. The hours of horror that they spent at the hands of these bigoted pakistanis, the inhuman treatment meted out to them, the torture both mental and physical at the hands of these terrorists, specially at the Chabad house would have been horrifying.

The only time that these terrorists had was at the Nariman House, and during the initial phases of the attacks at the two hotels, when the NSG was still underway.

Gagan
anger aside, you are being too harsh. sure, lots of things could have been better. but they werent. no one was ready for this. it wouldn't have been much better in any other city of the world. let us learn and be stronger next time. because, there will be a next time.

Yes I know...

An outburst I guess on my part.

Those hostages went through hell before they died painful, humiliating deaths. They were all hoping for someone to come rescue them.

The main lesson learnt is that:
1. Any such attack needs to be tackled in the initial hours itself before the terrorists establish themselves
2. The terrorists need to be constantly attacked and engaged from the initial hour onwards until their capture / death.
3. The pakistanis being pakis, any hostage in their custody is going to go through hell. Every attempt must be made to ensure that these terrorists don't get any time to concentrate their attentions on the hostages.

The point is - the acts of terror planned and conducted at such level, will always be ahead of the curve.

There might be and will be many lessons learned from the 26/11.

However, what if they take it to another level - even if nuke option might be far-fetched, what about biological or chemical warfare?
How much are we prepared for that ..? Actually, this all is close to acts of war. And ideally, it should be dealt at that level.
And the best approach to fight this kind of terror is preemptive, and eradicate the threat at its den, where terror is planned and emanates.
It should be nipped in the bud.

But for various reasons, that does not seem feasible at the moment.

Every time there will be many lessons to be learned, leaving the terrorists to plan new, innovative and more lethal ways and tactics to unleash terror.
But sadly, there seems to be only way forward - to keep learning from past mistakes, strengthen intelligence gathering and possibly, try to think like them in order to anticipate and thwart their moves.
This can only minimize the losses but not entirely avoid it.

Lalmohan & Gagan

Sure! there were a lot of goof-ups and outbursts are justified in some cases and in some cases unusually critical. However, some of the positives from this entire episode:

The workers at the Taj and Oberoi, citizens like you and me, put up a brave front against the terrorists and didn't panic. They took the security of the guests as their own responsibility and handled it very well. After watching the PBS show, I learnt that there was a chef at the Taj (or maybe the Oberoi) who put his life in danger but assured the guests that he will put his life on the line if the guests were threatened and he did precisely that and unfortunately ended up dying. Then there was this other front office manager that could have gotten away and saved his own life but, decided to stay back and help the guests. Also, there was this Indian lady as described by the turkish couple, who stood smiling at the terrorists despite being shot multiple times.

The political and security apparatus and the media of the country let us down yet again. Freedom of speech is one thing but, the reporters who openly announced the position of the commandos and victims on air is simply unacceptable. So, is that moron politician who gave an interview on the phone while being a hostage. Why has there been no action against them. I don't recollect any of those Taj or Oberoi employees being given any felicitations by the GoI for their valor.

Suhel Seth said, "terrorism cannot be prevented because that is the nature of terrorism"
What can and has to improve is the response to any eventuality. Better intelligence gathering, sharing and co-ordination between the various security authorities. While some of the things have been improved like the NSG hubs and dedicated commandos for Bombay police with better equipment but, there are still miles to go....

dipak wrote:The point is - the acts of terror planned and conducted at such level, will always be ahead of the curve.

There might be and will be many lessons learned from the 26/11.

However, what if they take it to another level - even if nuke option might be far-fetched, what about biological or chemical warfare?
How much are we prepared for that ..? Actually, this all is close to acts of war. And ideally, it should be dealt at that level.
And the best approach to fight this kind of terror is preemptive, and eradicate the threat at its den, where terror is planned and emanates.
It should be nipped in the bud.

But for various reasons, that does not seem feasible at the moment.

Every time there will be many lessons to be learned, leaving the terrorists to plan new, innovative and more lethal ways and tactics to unleash terror.
But sadly, there seems to be only way forward - to keep learning from past mistakes, strengthen intelligence gathering and possibly, try to think like them in order to anticipate and thwart their moves.
This can only minimize the losses but not entirely avoid it.

Any idea where were the dead terrorists burried or cremated?

Where they finally given space in a Muslim burial ground? Was there remains given to TSP?

It is quite obvious listening to the tapes of conversation, that something suddenly changed for the terrorists in Nariman house (around when the Handler says that he will call in half hour). Terrorists suddenly become quiet and withdrawn slightly. They were probably raping the residents at that time.

Also, they seemed reluctant to kill.

Why is it something that is sort of hidden and not said explicitly? Why is it a revelation?

surinder wrote:Any idea where were the dead terrorists burried or cremated?

Where they finally given space in a Muslim burial ground? Was there remains given to TSP?

The bodies are still sitting in freezers in Mumbai. Mumbaikars get power cuts - not the freezers.

Why are the bodies preserved? For the Kasab case?

Maybe they should be embalmed & put in a Terrorism Museum.

surinder wrote:Any idea where were the dead terrorists burried or cremated?

Where they finally given space in a Muslim burial ground? Was there remains given to TSP?

Indian Muslim Council Trust flatly refused to bury them or have anything to do with them. Pakis refuse to accept their bodies back (so what's new here, they did the same thing over the dead in Kargil), so the authorities keeping them in a freezer right now. Here's hoping they wrap them in pigskin and perform a bombing run with their bodies right over their training camp madarassa that they came from.

shiv wrote:

Lalmohan wrote: and he has the full pucca punjabi military english accent... (in my opinion)

The way he uses "gonna" and "sabbath" are very American and totally non subcontinental. That guy has IMO lived in America.

The manner in which the handler in question speaks urbanized urdu with punjabi accent with a shade of american english accent; and handles the hostage situation as well as negotiation skills and tactics - it fits the profile of TSPA officer quite well.

After going through all the links, I felt as if I have a died a million deaths. Can't imagine the horror and pain those people would ave gone through.
How can someone be so cruel, so inhuman. What were those b@stards fighting for ? What is that is so much precious that you kill unrelated,unknown human beings by the most cruel methods.
Is this what is RoP all about ? It was as if all the stories of marauders from Central Asia , Iran, Afghanistan and Paki Army (in guise of tribals in 1947) attacking India and watching beheading of Indian people just because they belonged to a different religion came alive.

Like Arjun's Pratigya on the death of Abhimanyu, All Indians should take a pledge that whatever it takes, irrespective of economic cost & time span, we shall avenge this dastardly and horrible terrorist act and Pakistan and Paki Army would remember the blow back for generations to come.

surinder wrote: Terrorists suddenly become quiet and withdrawn slightly.

I got the impression that the moron was sacred of being heard and having an RPG fired through a window. In fact it is obvious that this is the treatment that pigs of Porkistan get. The interior damage in Chabad house and the discolored blackened skin of some of the dead terrorists suggests that Shri Carl Gustav was sent to say namaste first.

VikasRaina wrote:Like Arjun's Pratigya on the death of Abhimanyu, All Indians should take a pledge that whatever it takes, irrespective of economic cost & time span, we shall avenge this dastardly and horrible terrorist act and Pakistan and Paki Army would remember the blow back for generations to come.

But like Arjun, we must not make it self-inhibiroty. Arjuna pledged that if he did not kill Jayadratha by evening of next day, he will kill himself. Krishna scolded him like anything for making such stupid and moronic declaration.

The pratigna OR pledge should be like Bheem. Clear, well defined, but not self-limiting and inhibitory. Duryodhana will be killed and blood from the chest of Dusshasana will be drunk.. when? that I will decide according to time and place of my choice.. But rest assured, the revenge shall be to such an extent that the very trace and identity of the enemy shall vanish..

Thanks for the translation guys. I put the audio into an audio editor to get sound clips and discoveerd something disturbing. In the exchange described below - I have added in red the words of a desperately frightened woman who cries "Please don't kill me" just before the gunshots are heard.

These things make me terribly angry. Pakistani ma-chods must be made to suffer here on earth before being transported to jannat.

I will make sure that the poor woman's voice comes out loud and clear in the video as the killer murmurs Inshallah, Bismilla and whatever illahs he needs to say as he kills.

Gagan wrote:
4:39 Nariman House
T (Babar Imran): As-Salāmu ‘Alaykum (Peace be upon you)
C: Alhamdulillah (Praise to god), Yes brother.
T (Babar Imran): Please don’t be angry, I’ve changed the layout, I was thinking of that for a while. Now in your presence
C: Have you done the job yet or not?
T (Babar Imran): Now in your presence. I was actually waiting for your call. Now in your presence by your orders.
C: Do it, come on. Do it. Bismi-llāh (In the name of God).
T (Babar Imran): Yes sir, and…
C: Do it. Bismi-llāh (In the name of God).

Mumbling in the background

PLEASE DON'T KILL ME! (About 5.02)

-- Gunshot - -

Please listen to the audio carefully. You will hear it.

shiv wrote:Thanks for the translation guys. I put the audio into an audio editor to get sound clips and discoveerd something disturbing. In the exchange described below - I have added in red the words of a desperately frightened woman who cries "Please don't kill me" just before the gunshots are heard.

These things make me terribly angry. Pakistani ma-chods must be made to suffer here on earth before being transported to jannat.

I will make sure that the poor woman's voice comes out loud and clear in the video as the killer murmurs Inshallah, Bismilla and whatever illahs he needs to say as he kills.

Gagan wrote:
4:39 Nariman House
T (Babar Imran): As-Salāmu ‘Alaykum (Peace be upon you)
C: Alhamdulillah (Praise to god), Yes brother.
T (Babar Imran): Please don’t be angry, I’ve changed the layout, I was thinking of that for a while. Now in your presence
C: Have you done the job yet or not?
T (Babar Imran): Now in your presence. I was actually waiting for your call. Now in your presence by your orders.
C: Do it, come on. Do it. Bismi-llāh (In the name of God).
T (Babar Imran): Yes sir, and…
C: Do it. Bismi-llāh (In the name of God).

Mumbling in the background

PLEASE DON'T KILL ME! (About 5.02)

-- Gunshot - -

Please listen to the audio carefully. You will hear it.

Right Shiv.
After several attempts, I could hear it - she could barely finish her sentence, "don't kill me" before being shot in cold blood.

dipak wrote: Right Shiv.
After several attempts, I could hear it - she could barely finish her sentence, "don't kill me" before being shot in cold blood.

Dipak - the file I have uploaded is an MP3, and it is more easily heard using the original uncompressed wav file I have. I suspect it is the same woman who was earlier made to speak to the Israeli embassy.

One can only imagine the terror caused by Pakistanis wanting to please Allah. Pakistaniyat revolves around the idea that Allah is pleased by such murderous behavior - the voice recordings say just that and need to be translated and heard more widely.

Who intercepted the conversation between terrorists and their handlers?

Karan Dixit wrote:Who intercepted the conversation between terrorists and their handlers?

Indian Intel agencies who had earlier distributed SIM cards (to possible terrorist groups) and those SIM cards were found to be in use here.

Thank you Shiv for the information!

Just upping this - I need it and I also wish to thank those who contributed with translations of terrorist conversations.

I don't know what to say after reading this:

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Who-kille ... 86549.aspx

It was Kamte sir, who had injured Kasab making his capture possible.
It is the Jaichand's that I hate the most.

But, why don't we have intelligence agencies who attack these Paki c**ts in their home?
Israel has intelligence agencies who are still hunting the Nazi's to this day, they bring them back to Israel to make them pay for their crimes.

If we can't bring Dawood Ibrahim, Syed Salhuddin, Lakvi, Rana and Headley to justice, then we need organizations that bring justice to them where they live.

VijayKumarSinha wrote:
But, why don't we have intelligence agencies who attack these Paki c**ts in their home?
Israel has intelligence agencies who are still hunting the Nazi's to this day, they bring them back to Israel to make them pay for their crimes.

If we can't bring Dawood Ibrahim, Syed Salhuddin, Lakvi, Rana and Headley to justice, then we need organizations that bring justice to them where they live.

Heard of a dude called Inder Kumar Gujral?

VijayKumarSinha wrote:I don't know what to say after reading this:

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Who-kille ... 86549.aspx

It was Kamte sir, who had injured Kasab making his capture possible.
It is the Jaichand's that I hate the most.

But, why don't we have intelligence agencies who attack these Paki c**ts in their home?

Israel has intelligence agencies who are still hunting the Nazi's to this day, they bring them back to Israel to make them pay for their crimes.

If we can't bring Dawood Ibrahim, Syed Salhuddin, Lakvi, Rana and Headley to justice, then we need organizations that bring justice to them where they live.

See as long as there is a limited pie and ones light shines bright by dimming others this sort of behavior will persist. I can understnad in the fog of war if reinforcements werent sent but the coverup afterwords by stalling the lady etc are reflective of that phenomenon.



You do realize Nazis dont have any govt supporting them and their modus operandi are repugnant? So while some govts might shleter them the overall opinion is not with the Nazis. So Israel can and has rendered them.

The TSP state supports these criminal terrorists and until the power equations between India and world changes it will continue like this.

Meantime we have to work to make the reputation of these folks repugnant so that when time comes they can be brought to justice- soft or rough.


Publicizing their evil deeds as is being done is one small step.

Why not start a blog and keep the torch alight?

ramana wrote: See as long as there is a limited pie and ones light shines bright by dimming others this sort of behavior will persist. I can understnad in the fog of war if reinforcements werent sent but the coverup afterwords by stalling the lady etc are reflective of that phenomenon.



You do realize Nazis dont have any govt supporting them and their modus operandi are repugnant? So while some govts might shleter them the overall opinion is not with the Nazis. So Israel can and has rendered them.

The TSP state supports these criminal terrorists and until the power equations between India and world changes it will continue like this.

Meantime we have to work to make the reputation of these folks repugnant so that when time comes they can be brought to justice- soft or rough.


Publicizing their evil deeds as is being done is one small step.

Why not start a blog and keep the torch alight?

Sir, we only hear of those cases in which Nazi's are brought from their hideouts to Israel when the government of that nation where they are hiding is fully co-operative. I can’t for the life of me believe that Mossad is not involved in extra-judicial paybacks with Nazi’s hiding in un-cooperative countries. In many instances nobody, not even the children of those Nazi’s are aware that they are Nazi. Because they bring up their children as orthodox jews and use them as cover. There have been cases in which at the end of the ww2 escaping Gestapo agents tattooed their hand with numbers to disguise themselves as Jews. They were later discovered to be Nazi’s because the Ink they used to tattoo was not the same as the one used in concentration camps. This kind of search and destroy is what it really means – to never forgive and forget.


Please sir, Why are we so risk averse? U.S. has laws that allow it to pursue any individual of any country and do whatever is necessary to get justice. We have to do the same. Our solution might not be gold plated like the American ones but I am certain that we don’t lack in valor or the self-sacrificing nature which will make all the difference.
Is it not that, when we conducted 5 nuclear tests in a span of 3 days that we went against the entire notion of taking all countries in stride with us? And in less than 10 years sir, we have the respect and cooperation of the same countries that sanctioned us at that time.

Sir, when Kargil was occupied by Paki’s this same international community wanted us to resolve our differences peacefully. We drew a line in the sand and we fought a war on one leg on our own without much international support – We made the sacrifice and we won it and That war resulted in the destruction of Paki democracy and their institutions for which they are paying the price today. If we are not going to do everything in our power to get justice for our innocent dead, no matter how much we look at the international community for support and cooperation – they will see this only as a problem of a 3rd world country.

I am not asking for India to start terrorizing Pakistan or start orchestrating Mumbai style attacks in Pakistan. Nor, am I asking Indian civilians to take things in their own hand and become terrorists like Pakis do. I am asking us for our armed forces and our intelligence services to have a government backed capability to pursue monsters like Ibrahim, Salahudin, Lakhvi and their likes in Pakistan and attack those select individuals who are mass murderers covertly or overtly in which ever house, hole or hell they are hiding in– because that is what truly never forgiving and forgetting is.

Thank You, for the idea of the blog, I will do that for sure.

American armed forces have created the ships from the material collected from 9/11 sites check this story

AVONDALE, La. (AP) - A ceremony steeped in shipbuilding tradition kicked off major construction Friday on a U.S. Navy assault vessel named in honor of United Airlines Flight 93, which crashed during the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

It is the second of three new Navy ships named for the sites of the Sept. 11 attacks. The USS New York entered service last month and the Arlington, memorializing the strike on the Pentagon, is under construction.

At the Northrop Grumman Corp. shipyard near New Orleans, the keel of the Somerset — named for the Pennsylvania county where Flight 93 went down, killing all 40 passengers and crew members — was authenticated by the ship's sponsor, Mary Joe Myers, the wife of retired Air Force Gen. Richard Myers, a former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

"Out of tragedy, we can now turn our focus to a tribute to those brave men and women of Flight 93," Myers said. The ship will "take the power and courage of the United States to the four corners of the world."

Myers initialed a plaque stating the keel — the ship's basic foundation — has been "truly and fairly laid." Afterward, Northrop Grumman welder Lanford Bridges cut the initials into the plaque with a torch.

The $1.2 billion vessel is expected to be delivered to the Navy in 2012. The Somerset is 684 feet long, is serviced by a crew of 350 sailors and can carry up to 800 Marines into assault operations. It has a flight deck that can handle helicopters and the MV-22 Osprey tilt-rotor aircraft.

Flight 93 had left Newark, N.J., for San Francisco when four terrorists commandeered the cockpit. Investigators believe terrorists crashed the plane as passengers rushed the cockpit, making it the only one of the four airliners hijacked that day that did not reach its intended target, believed to be Washington.

"We continue to inspired by the selfless courage of those on Flight 93," said Gordon Felt, who lost a brother, Edward, in the crash. Felt is president of Families of Flight 93.

The ship is a San Antonio-class amphibious dock vessel. The first five ships in the series — the USS San Antonio, USS New Orleans, USS Mesa Verde, USS Green Bay and USS New York — are in service. Three other ships in the class are under construction: Anchorage at the Avondale yard, and Arlington and San Diego at Northrop Grumman's yard in Pascagoula, Miss.

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My choice are

1. Test Nuke bombs with names like vapourising LET
2. Rename the LCA, Arjun, ATV,etc to reflect the terrorists attacks (parliament, kaluchak, bombay, akshyadhar, delhi, etc).

VK Sinha Sir ,
Lets select or elect right kind of leadership in India before we expect any dynamic movement to crush or pay back our mortal enemies. Our politcial system , colonial type governing structure at centre is big impendiment in quick, sharp and severe response . We have to bear it till we make internal changes to inhibit encouraging rogue anti nation building elements within which BTw are much more inimical to our aspirations than any external enemy. Much force and energy is being spent to pleasing divisive elements which inhibit capacity to take care of many overt adversaries.