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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

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Brad Goodman wrote:Can some one explain this logic not that I disagree I just cannot understand
With fortunately a low death count, the 2010 floods would still result in a higher fertility rate, given the very large displaced population. If not addressed in the post-disaster planning, higher fertility will result in multiplying the rebuilding needs in the next few years


Also, when people have nothing else to do - with so many people living in tents and not able to pursue usual avenues of entertainment - the only thing left is sex. And so the fertility rate goes up. When we had massive power failure in the north east of the US, when we did not have power for couple of days, nine month later the birth rate went up.
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Apologies if posted earlier

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... ds-newsxml

All Bakis are not corrupt, just like all Bakis are not terrorists:
The idea that Pakistan's cricketers have a history of cheating because they are unsatisfactorily rewarded by the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) is an insult to those who strive each day to live honestly within their means.

It does not follow that because a man is poor, he becomes a crook.

Poverty may be a contributing factor to crime in some cases but far from all, and in comparison to the humble citizens in their homeland, the life of a Pakistan cricketer is hardly shabby. matches, or moments within matches, do not have to be fixed to make ends meet or achieve parity.
Reason behind Baki hurt for not being included in IPL.
Pakistan's professional cricketers are not paid as much as their neighbours in India, but the same could be said of Premier League footballers in Scotland and england.
Detroit is the cheapest city in the US, due to unemployment and crime rates. Karachi is the cheapest city in the world :rotfl:
The central contract that ties a cricketer to the PCB is worth roughly £25,000 annually. The same arrangement in england can amount to anything from £150,000 to £400,000.

Then again, Karachi was recently named as the cheapest city in the world in which to live {and brobably you wont live for long}, and all contracts are relative to the country of employment. In Britain, private healthcare is a standard perk for a valued member of staff because the public health system is seen as flawed; in countries where state health cover is considered sufficient, alternate benefits are offered, perhaps towards accommodation or childcare. :?: :?:
Match that Bakis:
Sachin Tendulkar, the hero of cricket in India, earned more than £6 million last year, much of which came from endorsing products. Yet, as cricket in Pakistan is regularly associated with corruption, who would want to sponsor the players anyway? :rotfl:
And now for some love between one TFTA mard and another TFTA mard from the martial race (or was it marital race):
Imran Khan, Pakistan's most prominent cricketer, was a brilliant all-rounder and a cultured, handsome man. {Probably why he supports JuD nowadays, Truly a TFTA martian} Above all, he was straight :?: :shock: over the two decades when he played, many reputable companies sought his official approval. If the current generation of Pakistan cricketers struggle to secure similar commercial backing, is it any wonder? {Bakis have a sense of entitlement, which causes them to be corrupt onreeee}

MoHAmmAd Amir, {This article looks like it was vandalized} the teenager at the eye of the storm of alleged match fixing, is a fabulously gifted bowler, with a winning smile and good looks. He could be even greater than Imran. Yet who would want him pictured on their behalf now? 'mohammad Amir, noted cheat, wears Rolex'? No thank you.

The pervasion of gambling in modern sport is also advanced in mitigation, as if it is beyond human endeavour to resist temptation. :?: :?: {Bhat are jooo yapping about saaahib}

To say that there is a logical progression from gambling websites to Pakistan cricketers cheating is akin to arguing that because there is a Ladbrokes in the High Street, you will feel motivated to fix the 4.15 at Plumpton. The President of the United States has the nuclear option on his desk. He doesn't have to press the button. :|

There is nothing more patronising than the notion that anyone suffering reduced circumstances can be excused moral bankruptcy, nothing more dangerously indulgent than the belief that Pakistan's cricketers could not be expected to play simply for pride, honour, the privilege of an exalted existence and the pure love of their sport. even the mighty Imran Khan, by his own admission, picked at the odd seam.

Nobody is expecting cricketers to be angels, but we cannot excuse them becoming thieves.
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One can invoke Google Devata on + "natural disasters" + fertility. I found one with this abstract:
This paper examines whether economic or environmental instability affects fertility. My identification strategy uses regional data to exploit the natural variation within each of the two countries I examine: one European country—Italy—and one Asian country—Japan. I use the variance of the detrended wage to measure economic volatility; the crude birth rate to measure demographic risk; and the number and magnitudes of natural disasters to measure environmental instability. According to my results, natural disasters have a significant negative effect on fertility in both countries, while mortality risk and economic volatility have significant negative effects in Italy but no effect in Japan. Thus, instability, particularly that arising from the natural environment, appears to cause a decrease in fertility.
http://www.cid.harvard.edu/events/paper ... _paper.pdf

Since Pakistan is determined to be opposite, natural disasters will increase fertility there.
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Aha, I spoke too soon. Google Devata sent me another one
http://econpapers.repec.org/paper/wbkwbrwps/4883.htm
Abstract: The event of a natural disaster, and being directly affected by it, brings a large shock to life-cycle outcomes. In addition to the replacement effects of higher fertility following a disaster that caused high mortality, a positive fertility response may be induced as children can be used to supplement household income. This paper analyzes three high mortality earthquakes: Gujarat, India, in 2001; North-West Frontier, Pakistan, in 2005; and Izmit, Turkey, in 1999. There is evidence of a positive fertility response to exposure to these large-scale natural disasters in addition to the response to child mortality. The results in this study are consistent with those of other studies that also find a positive fertility response following exposure to a disaster.
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Interview with Dr Ayesha Siddiqa: "However, military’s predation is an institutional feature. "
http://criticalppp.com/archives/22453
If one goes by WikiLeaks and reports frequently appearing in global media, the ISI is patronizing Taliban. In your book, Military Inc. and numerous other articles you have written, military appears as a conglomerate with financial and industrial interests. Don’t you think GHQ’s Afghan and Kashmir policy is in contradiction with its economic interests?

In fact, these policies constitute the foundations on which the empire stands. It is the narrative through which everything else is sold. Contrary to the propaganda that military is the only surviving institution of the state, it is also a victim of the politics of its echelons. There are factions within the military: some support the west and other the Islamists. There is not one policy but several policies. But at a glance, the sense of being a nuclear weapon state gives the army a certain confidence to engage in misadventures. But more than everything else, dependence on non-state actors is built into its own tactical narrative. This means that it will not give up its claim on either Kashmir or Afghanistan. These two issues are essential in the process of militarizing the society and the societal mindset, which, in turn, is necessary for military’s predation. Today, we face a state of military hegemony: political, economic and intellectual control. Today, there is not a single university in Pakistan or a young scholar who is not on the military’s payroll or network. They open shops called think-tanks for their young clients. A journalist, who does not take directions from the military, is a rarity in today’s Pakistan. Institutionally, this outreach is done through the ISPR and the ISI. But there are other informal channels as well such as the army chief himself. Recently, heard a top Pakistani journalist claim in a private meeting that the military intends to fight the Taliban because he had heard that from the army chief with whom he had about six private sessions. The national security narrative built on and around the Kashmir and Afghanistan issues is critical for establishing military’s hegemony.

Army claims to have a superb system of internal accountability. It is said many officers go home on minor corruption charges. That’s why, they say, this organization is still intact and takes over the country with out bloody revolution. Your comments.

The organization does not survive because of its superior accountability but due to its mafia-style accountability. This means that while those at the top and at responsible positions are not touched, others who are not so well-connected are kept in line with this narrative of accountability. Firstly, the accountability system is flawed. It is one organization whose manpower (Department of the Auditor-General of Pakistan) conducts both internal and external audit. To give one example, I have served both as a military accountant and a defense auditor. Am I likely to point out issues with spending that I had approved during my tenure as part of the Military Accountant-General’s organization? Second, the defense budget has over 20% wastage which is due to procurement of weapons and other items, incorrect human resource planning and a negative teeth-to-tail ratio. This means the military spends more on non-essentials than essentials.
PS: without any evidence either way, I'd say Dr. Siddiqa is exaggerating a bit regarding everyone being on the military's payroll - is that where Uncle's dollars are going????; but I guess, she wants to make a point.
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Pak turns fixing scam into India bashing

Hasan declared the ICC had “no business” to suspend the players when a police investigation was still in progress, adding ICC chief executive Haroon Lorgat reached his decision soon after a telephonic talk with Sharad Pawar, ICC president.
“I heard him (Lorgat) talking to Pawar. I don’t know what transpired between them but immediately after that, he left my office and prepared a five-page notice and handed it to the players,” said Hasan. “There seems to be a conspiracy to keep Pakistan out.”
In a separate interview to an Indian news channel, Hasan also claimed the three players under the scanner had been “taken for a ride” by the alleged bookie Mazhar Majeed — whose revelations during the sting operation by a UK tabloid sparked off the controversy — who in turn had strong connections with Indian bookies.
definitely a yindu conspiracy of gigantic proportions with sdre is the one who gave the verdict :(( :((
what did yindu and his accomplice in crime :rotfl: do to the TFTA commissioner
"I cannot understand how Pakistan’s High Commissioner in London has come to this incorrect conclusion,” Pawar responded to HT from New York. “The fact that Haroon (Lorgat) is regularly briefing me is true, because that is the normal way of conducting business, with the chief executive briefing the president.”
Lorgat too responded sharply to Hasan’s allegations. “The very reason I met High Commissioner Wajid Hasan was to give a clear indication that we are coming to a conclusion and that we will be serving a notice,” said Lorgat. “I differ with his interpretation of the meet.”
The players now have 14 days in which to ask for a hearing from the ICC, which then has to be convened within three months.
:(( :(( :(( :(( looks like whining post. sorry folks I am :cry: :cry: hanky please.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

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Now that Butt has been caught trying to plug his butt with pounds I am sure what the defence is going to be

" We did it for flood relief, we thought a couple of innocent no balls which have no bearing on the result of the game would go a long way in alleviating the pain of the boor and starving Bakistanis. We are young and innocent(inbreeders) and impressionable minds like Amir( and Kasab) are easily led. We are innojant onlee Allah ho AKbar"
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‘Fake’ flood relief camp magically appears during Gilani’s Balochistan visit
JAFFARABAD - The government of Pakistan’s Balochistan province has been accused of setting up a fake flood-relief camp during Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani’s visit to Sohbatpur on Thursday.


According to The Daily Times, when helicopters carrying Gilani and his cabinet members landed in Sohbatpur, local officials had showcased the relief camp, consisting of empty tents.

However, locals said that it was the first time that had seen the camp, and claimed that it was not there on Wednesday.

“We have just seen the camp, which local authorities claim is providing medical and relief facilities to us,” the paper quoted a local resident, as saying.

“We were living in misery due to the floods for the last 10 days. But nobody had came to us except for the Pakistan Army personnel,” he added.

The tents are brand new, untouched and without any sign of the rough weather and floodwater.
If Groper Gilla can be taken for a helicopter ride then ditto TaliBAN ki Moon
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

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Floods bring pure bliss to Pakistanis as evident in this photograph

Abduls in the background seem uninterested in the tinned pork being air dropped by taller than mountain fiend
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This is apparently a fight for relief material( which is no where to be seen in the photograph)
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Mahendra wrote: This is apparently a fight for relief material( which is no where to be seen in the photograph)
Why are posting pictures of European Countries ? These folks look so Goatlandic TFTA and Greazed up.
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http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2010_pg1_6

Pakbaric animals 'updating' economic loss figures so that more begging can be done to collect arms for Taliban...
As soon as the Finance Ministry would complete its loss projections, the actual numbers would be presented to the international and major aid donors during the forthcoming visits of Foreign Minister Makhdoom Shah Mehmood Qureshi to Western and Gulf countries
The federal government’s earlier estimates of losses to lure a large amount of foreign aid such kullam kulla takiya..had failed to convince the international community, which made the federal government to revise the projections of losses and damage caused by the massive flooding
We tried to cheat once, no one fell for it, now we will try again with a bigger number...
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Blast rocks Yaum-ul-Quds rally in Quetta, 73 ( halal 72+1haram) killed
http://www.thepakistaninewspaper.com/ne ... p?id=17705
QUETTA, Sep 03 (Online): At least 73 persons have been killed and more than 160 others injured in a suicide blast at Mezan Chowk during a rally of ‘Youm-ul-Quds’ organized by Imamia Students Organisation (ISO) here on Friday.According to details ISO headed a rally from Mezan Chowk to mark ‘Youm-ul-Quds’ when the rally that was participated by approximately 2,000 to 2,500 people reached near Mezan chowka suicide blast occurred with a massive bang, as a result 73 persons died, while more than 150 persons including media persons from various TV channels sustained injuries who were shifted to Civil Hospital Quetta.Eyewitnesses stated that security arrangements for the rally were very poor as only few police personnel were seen along the rally-route and any sort of special measures were not observed to ensure protection of the rally.
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Mahendra, looks like lifafa fell to the ground! See the picture again.
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A_Gupta wrote:Aha, I spoke too soon. Google Devata sent me another one
http://econpapers.repec.org/paper/wbkwbrwps/4883.htm
Abstract: The event of a natural disaster, and being directly affected by it, brings a large shock to life-cycle outcomes. In addition to the replacement effects of higher fertility following a disaster that caused high mortality, a positive fertility response may be induced as children can be used to supplement household income. This paper analyzes three high mortality earthquakes: Gujarat, India, in 2001; North-West Frontier, Pakistan, in 2005; and Izmit, Turkey, in 1999. There is evidence of a positive fertility response to exposure to these large-scale natural disasters in addition to the response to child mortality. The results in this study are consistent with those of other studies that also find a positive fertility response following exposure to a disaster.
As if Pakis need excuse to keep multiplying like rabbits as they have been doing for the past 63 years.
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When countries arrest someone for smuggling drugs, it is usually for smuggling in, but for Pakistan, it is smuggling OUT.

Arrested for smuggling heroin to foreign country

We understand...after all TSP needs all the drugs inside the country to escape the reality that is TSP. Also it may represent Taliban payments to ISI/TSPA for arms supplied..you cant take that back..
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Questions, questions, questions by Cyril Almeida in Dawn

Some nuggets...
Is the state collapsing? Or are still-born state-building processes finally catching up with us, inevitably proving that only shrinking pockets can be kept governable? Is this an economy of an elitist state or are we a national security state where the concentration of wealth is incidental?

It’s pretty clear the barbarians are gathering at the gate, but can we be so sure on which side of the gate they are? Inside — among us, one of us, ostensibly protecting us — or outside? The inevitable: do we blame politics and politicians or generals and bureaucrats, or perhaps all of them?
The self-appointed guardians of the national interest have been so keen on saving this place from external enemies, real and imagined, that they seem to have forgotten you can wither away from within, too. Eventually, you’re just an angry shell, prancing, preening, defiant at every turn, but ravaged from the inside, a weakness apparent to everyone but yourself.

Get lost, India, we won’t take your pity money, they say, while remonstrating with the rest of the world for not doing enough for flood victims. As if taking five million or 20 million or even a billion dollars from India would change anything, here or there. But no, we can’t give them a PR opportunity to make us look bad. Handouts from the enemy? Never. We’d rather let a few thousand peasants suffer. At least they’ll have their honour and dignity, their sovereignty.(BR speak) :mrgreen:
A trio of events — Zia’s coup and the subsequent execution of ZAB; the Iranian revolution; and the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan — seem to have sent this country, then already in need of a new direction, hurtling further in the wrong direction.
To know where you are going, sometimes you need to know where you’re coming from. The depressing thing about Pakistan is that often we are little interested in where we are coming from or where it is we are going. If we are lucky, that means we end up in going round in circles. If we are unlucky, it means we end up in a downward spiral.
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End of Feudals? by Rafia Zakaria in Dawn

Her take on - the New York Times published article entitled ‘Upstarts chip away at power of Pakistani elite’.
The announcement of the approaching demise of feudal politics then sounds premature, a more likely thesis being the transformation of feudal politics into new-fangled forms that may be quite as unjust but harder to incriminate.

One example of this is the transformation of what used to simply be the feudal elite into the ‘military and industrialist feudal elite’. Simply put, feudal families have expended much effort on expanding ties with emergent industrialist and military families. Generals’ daughters are marrying feudal sons and their offspring are setting up corporate farms that supply raw materials to their own industries.

More pointedly, as has now been revealed in several publications including Ayesha Siddiqa’s book Military Inc, the practice of giving land grants to generals in the Pakistani military has allowed many to put together awe-inspiring estates spanning thousands of acres. These practices again show a reliance on the politics of land as a means of taking over and controlling political power, be it through the military or the ballot box.
The problem of feudalism in Pakistan is not merely the existence of large landholdings that determine territorial control but also the structural arrangement of politics. The practice of amassing land, be it by urban political groups or the military, suggests that this style of signalling power is as entrenched in structural concerns as it is in the actual sin of large swathes of land being owned by a few.

Add to this the sly hypocrisy of a feudal class, that has aligned itself with competing powers such as industrialists and military generals and you have a concentrated and complex elite that has become a master of co-opting any competing interest.
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If he doesn't watch it, 'Cyril' is going to find 'hisself' staring at the wrong end of an ISPR scope. You go Cyril!
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James B wrote:End of Feudals? by Rafia Zakaria in Dawn
Well, they are are all cousins anyway and it's all family biz. What's the big deal Rafia?
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Brad Goodman wrote:Can some one explain this logic not that I disagree I just cannot understand

VIEW: High fertility concerns post-floods —Murtaza Haider

So abduls fertility increases with flood? Shivji perhaps your medical knowledge can help us understand how it works.
Err,
It is simple onlee.
No bijli (Electricity) == no other form of entertainment available. There fore people engaging in some age old enter-e-tainment onlee.
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Gus wrote:
With fortunately a low death count, the 2010 floods would still result in a higher fertility rate, given the very large displaced population. If not addressed in the post-disaster planning, higher fertility will result in multiplying the rebuilding needs in the next few years
It may be counter-intuitive, but people in such situations tend to have more children...the logic is that at least a few out of many will survive. Given the lack of any other thing to do, people will do the only thing that they can do at that point...
This is as good an explanation as any other. I don't think anyone has actually figured out the exact reason or proven that only families that lose children have more children. It is likely (as is the case with this sort of phenomenon) that the reasons are multifactorial.

If you look at it slightly differently and imagine that a disaster kills every one of 100,000 people in a town - then fertility in that area would drop to zero.

If most survive but are placed in camps - then fertility goes down as families are separated and normal life is upset. But that lowering of fertility will at most last a few weeks to months till familes get together again or go back. Once that happens the chances are that babies that would have been conceived anyway over a span of 6 months if there had been no disaster all get conceived simultaneously over a few weeks after families are reunited or resettled and this gets reflected 10 months down the line as "increased fertility" for that year when the records are being made. The question is whether that "increased fertility" is long lasting - ie does a disaster affected area show increased fertility year after year after year for many years in a row. I doubt if that is the case.

What matters is a persistent high fertility rate that Pakistan already has. A spurt in births after this will be a temporary phenomenon and it could lead to increased maternal and infant mortality because of inability of a poverty stricken nation like Pakistan to divert funds from nuclear bombs and F 16s to mundane things like healthcare.
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Shiv wrote:
If you look at it slightly differently and imagine that a disaster kills every one of 100,000 people in a town - then fertility for that would drop to zero.
A small mathematical nit. Fertility is calculated as ratio of population. So if population goes to zero, the ratio is 0/0 = indefinite. OTOH, if 99,999 are killed and only one is left, then, since missile polishing does not result in births,the rate would indeed be zero.
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Check out the discrimination within the Muslim communities
Things are getting out of hand and the leadership is worried.

http://outlookindia.com/article.aspx?266910

OPINION
Anti-Ahmadism In India
Indians, Muslims and non-Muslims alike, must learn from the sectarian developments in Pakistan, and make every effort to stop any expression of sectarian prejudice in public contexts
C.M. NAIM
Extreme sectarianism in Pakistan began with the anti-Ahmadiyya movement in 1953 that was led by the Ahrars and fully supported by the Jama'at-i-Islami. The existing elected government successfully stopped it. The movement remained dormant for two decades, but then gained enormous strength in 1974 after Z.A. Bhutto, in an act of political opportunism, conceded its demand to declare the Ahmadis "non-Muslim." Gen. Zia-ul-Haq only worsened the situation with his draconian laws, and allowed sectarian fanaticism to expand into persecuting all religious minorities in Pakistan. He also fully exploited the sectarian passions of the mullahs and maulanas to keep the ordinary Pakistani beguiled while expanding the army’s control in every sector of Pakistan’s economy. What began as a campaign against the Ahmadis has now turned into a raging battle between most of the Muslims sects in Pakistan, who come together only when they wish to beat up on some hapless Hindu, Sikh, or Christian. Then they go back to bashing each other, not sparing even the sacred precincts of mosques and Sufi shrines. That the same scenario of sectarian violence has not played out in India is not due to any lack of attempt on the part of some of the so-called leaders.

Read some of the writings of Abul Hasan Ali Nadvi and Manzur Nu’mani and the Urdu journals and pamphlets put out by various Muslims organizations, go to the cassette shops in Basti Nizamuddin and similar places, or flip through the pages of most Urdu dailies and you will easily find enough to make you worried abut the future of Indian Islam at the hands of these self-appointed and mutually perpetuating “Muslim leaders.” You will find at the very least a shameless coarseness of feeling and language that, in Pakistan, eventually led to a state where journalists covering the recent massacre of Ahmadis in a mosque in Lahore declined to drink the tea that was offered by the victims’ relatives.
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There is a CT regarding presence of Chinese troops. There is a school of thought that a secret bunker hosting secret chinese military hardware is flooded and not reachable. Perhaps Gaganullah can backtrace possible location if this CT has an iota of truth.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

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But, Youm-al-Quds is a protest rally against the occupation of Al Quds by the Israelis. Why attack such a rally ? Is it somehow 'less pious' to take out a protest rally against the Jews in the Land of the Purest ? The 'High Church' is surely teaching lessons to the 'Low Church' in the Land of Milk, Honey and Cool Breeze.

Does anybody need proof now that this is all YYY conspiracy ? As Pakistanis say, no Muslim will kill another Muslim. It has never happened in history as Islam is a Religion of Peace onlee. Case closed. The Tehreek-Jafaaria should not therefore retaliate against the Sunnis.
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SSridhar wrote:
But, Youm-al-Quds is a protest rally against the occupation of Al Quds by the Israelis. Why attack such a rally ? Is it somehow 'less pious' to take out a protest rally against the Jews in the Land of the Purest ? The 'High Church' is surely teaching lessons to the 'Low Church' in the Land of Milk, Honey and Cool Breeze.Does anybody need proof now that this is all YYY conspiracy ? As Pakistanis say, no Muslim will kill another Muslim. It has never happened in history as Islam is a Religion of Peace onlee. Case closed. The Tehreek-Jafaaria should not therefore retaliate against the Sunnis.
Shia Kaffirs were pretending to be Muslim and this hurt the pious sensibility of purest kind as this pretention of being Muslim ( BLAH HOKO)= Best Loake Among Humankind Per HOKO) is worst than idolatry . Its natural that pretenders are punished so they dont hurt the only True religion of Islam. In this case the logic, myth and taqiyya all agree that no Muslim can kill another Muslim.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

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LeT may use para gliders to attack CWG
Armed with intelligence reports about Lashker-e-Toiba (LeT) having recently procured paragliders from China and the Gulf countries, the security agencies are counting these paragliders as a likely source of an aerial threat to the Commonwealth Games.

Even though there are no specific inputs regarding LeT’s plans to use paragliders to launch airborne attacks on the sportspersons, spectators or VIPs attending the sporting event, Union home secretary G K Pillai indicated that the fact that LeT had acquired the paragliders was reason for worry.

According to inputs collected by the intelligence agencies, LeT is known to have bought around 150 paragliders from China and various Gulf countries sometime earlier this year.
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SSridhar wrote:LeT may use para gliders to attack CWG
Armed with intelligence reports about Lashker-e-Toiba (LeT) having recently procured paragliders from China and the Gulf countries,
The mainstream media(or some parts) have at least started naming Gulf countries and china arming terrorists.This is a recent shift though would like to be corrected if wrong and IMO it is a positive development.
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AfPak Behind the Lines: Pakistan's political scene

http://afpak.foreignpolicy.com/posts/20 ... ical_scene
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^^^ From the comments seciton
Musharraf’s return will only solidify Pakistan’s duplicity to US
As far as US is concerned, its problems in Afghanistan will further compound if Musharraf does return to power.

Bush allowed Musharraf to spirit away by airlift hundreds, if not thousands, of Taliban operatives cornered by the advancing Northern Alliance in Kunduz in November, 2001. Musharraf relocated those Taliban cadres including Mullah Mohammed Omar in Quetta, the provincial capital of Baluchistan and Haqqani network (HQN) in North Waziristan from where Mullah Omar’s QST and Haqqani’s HQN have been planning raids in Afghanistan ever since.

Musharraf rigged November, 2001 elections to assure the victory of pro-Taliban, pro-Al Qaeda party called Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal (MMA). Musharraf engineered MMA victory to assure safe and secure sanctuary for Osama bin Laden and his Al Qaeda/Taliban allies. Alive and well-protected Osama is a like a golden goose to milk Uncle Sam as Pakistani leadership (civilian as well as military) know all too well.

As such Pakistani Army owns Pakistani State and so it will not be surprising at all if General Kayani helps Musharraf takeover - Kayani owes that much to Musharraf after Musharraf having appointed Kayani to begin with.
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Dossier sharing 'turns into game', India wants action

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Dossier-s ... 95802.aspx
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

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America thanks for the money

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/0 ... 05200.html
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A participant holds an anti-U.S. poster during a procession to observe Al-Quds (Jerusalem) Day in Lahore, Pakistan

Hating america on the day of earmarked to hate Israel :lol:

Hating america when its among the largest donors to pakistan :lol:

Pakistan has truly turned into paradise for psychotics
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

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From the above,
The civilian government, with its somewhat halting response, has reinforced a public perception that it is ineffective, and ill-equipped for the task of governing. The military, by contrast, has projected an image of competence. In fairness to the Zardari administration, no civilian government could possibly have been prepared for what unfolded; the army was naturally better equipped to deal with the immediate rescue and relief efforts, just as the civilians will be indispensable in the reconstruction phase that follows.
This is a major failure in Pakistan, among many others, that sustains the myth of the PA. The PA and the Government are seen as two power centres in competition with each other. Everybody, including the Western governments and the foreign press, contribute to this myth. The local politicians seek the PA's help to oust the ruling party from power and then complain about military intervention when the ousted party turns the table by seeking the same PA's help later on. Ayub Khan took the American approval before getting rid of Iskander Mirza and taking over power. Nowadays, the US has taken this to a higher level by directly involving the military in policy and decision making processes bypassing the civilian government and sounding the death-knell for democracy in Pakistan. This emboldens the PA to actively pursue terrorism against India secure in the knowledge that the US, by discarding the civilian government, and trusting the PA completely has lost all authority to even question them.
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Acharya saar please post links for that article. I want to post it else where.
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^^^ Moreover, once being exiled how can Musharaff return to rule the country. His return will require the current COAS to accept him as the new ruler. Will he do so?? Instead, why should current COAS not rule the country directly.

Alternatively allow the current setup to endure. With dus % taking the blame and the COAS taking all the credit. Bring back Musharaff or taking over TSP will be counter productive for the Army at this pont IMO.
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Cricinfo - There's more to Pakistan than Punjab and Karachi
In 58 years as a Test nation not a single player from Balochistan has represented Pakistan. Not a single Test player has come from the vast, forgotten interiors of Sind that surround Karachi. Not one even from Hyderabad
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

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26/11 trial 'stuck', formation of commission needed: Pakistan

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 490956.cms
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Use whatever excuse to derail and deny India over 26/11. This is to be expected from TSP.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 03, 20

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Shiv wrote:
This is as good an explanation as any other. I don't think anyone has actually figured out the exact reason or proven that only families that lose children have more children. It is likely (as is the case with this sort of phenomenon) that the reasons are multifactorial.

If you look at it slightly differently and imagine that a disaster kills every one of 100,000 people in a town - then fertility in that area would drop to zero.

If most survive but are placed in camps - then fertility goes down as families are separated and normal life is upset. But that lowering of fertility will at most last a few weeks to months till familes get together again or go back. Once that happens the chances are that babies that would have been conceived anyway over a span of 6 months if there had been no disaster all get conceived simultaneously over a few weeks after families are reunited or resettled and this gets reflected 10 months down the line as "increased fertility" for that year when the records are being made. The question is whether that "increased fertility" is long lasting - ie does a disaster affected area show increased fertility year after year after year for many years in a row. I doubt if that is the case.
the link between natural disasters and rising fertility is a somewhat nuanced one. natural disasters tend to destroy wealth. for a society that is fundamentally very poor is ill-qequipped to undertake remdiation measures and hence only accentuates the level of poverty in the society. now link between poverty and high fertility or its counterpart affluence and low fertility has been explored in some detail in social science literature. i recall an article by an Austrian who acquired an Indian name (agehananda bharati) in the now defunct illustrated weekly of india. he writes off how as a faculty teaching in one of the american universities asked his students to write about india's population problem. one student wrote; 'indians play too much in the night and hence the result'. agehananda bharati remarks that he wrote on the margin of essay, 'they don't and hence the result'. at one level it was a response in levity and yet at another more fundamental level it does reiterate the link between prosperity and fertility.
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