Osama Bin Laden Killed in Pakistan-2

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 11 May 2011 02:36

Paki apologist

KJeroH
Staten Island, NY
May 9th, 2011
7:20 pm
Part of the problem is that Pakistan has been a staunch US ally for decades, yet has constantly been bludgeoned and portrayed as the bad guy. When the US went on the offensive in Afghanistan, it was a hammer and anvil approach, with Pakistani forces the anvil. The US called off the operation without telling the Pakistanis, driving Taliban/Queda forces with air attacks that were met by Pakistani forces. They were supposed to be supported by US ground troops as a hammer, but nothing happened.

Prior to that, the US drove Taliban forces into Pakistan and they were left with a full-scale invasion. They risked a civil war by launching attacks against the Taliban because much of the support was family-based, not ideological. Pakistan has risked a lot to support the US with at least two leaders being deposed because their support weakened them at home. Then the US Administration would suddenly pull their support, claiming support for the Pakistani people.

Going even further, in one of the more lopsided attacks: India makes an underground nuclear test designed only to intimidate Pakistan, which responded in kind. The US warns the countries to cut it out, but India detonates another device. Pakistan attempts to follow suit, but the test fizzles. The US then hits them with a series of debilitating economic sanctions.

Pakistan does a lot for the US in the War on Terror, but admittedly it has personnel who don't support the strategy. However, the top people are behind the US and there is no doubt about that support. However, the Gulf States are more than a little suspect. There is no doubt that the Gulf sheiks in Saudi Arabia, Abu Dhabi, Oman, Kuwait are all giving substantial money and military support to terrorist organizations. Because of the oil, they receive nothing but praise for their "efforts" to fight terrorism. Of course the Indian economy is many times larger than Pakistan's. Because of its size, Pakistan serves as a very convenient whipping post for the US. Administrations seem to be certain that its leaders would never do anything rash to risk losing US support; that they will continue to take all that we dish out. However, it could just end up that the Pakistani people just get sick of the US . . .

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 11 May 2011 03:02

Sorry if this is a repeat, but I missed this "The Friday Times" narration of events.

Around 3 am, Admiral Mullen called General Kayani, and CIA chief, Leon Panetta, called DG-ISI, General Pasha. They explained the nature of the operation and why it had been kept a secret from them. President Obama called President Zardari at 7 am to acquaint him with the facts. They thanked the Pakistanis for providing the initial clues that led the CIA to the compound. What was this piece of information?

Sometime in 2009, an ISI wiretap picked up a conversation in Arabic between a Sim card in Nowshera and another in Saudi Arabia. The conversation was brief and hinted at financial matters. This transcript was passed on to the CIA for processing. Three months later, in 2010, the same Sim woke up to another conversation in Arabic, this time from Peshawar to Saudi Arabia. Again, the transcript was passed on to the CIA. There were four other occasions that year when the same Sim was used, once from a location in Waziristan and the last one actually from the compound in Abbotabad, and all the transcripts and location details were passed on to the CIA. The ISI took the view that its Intel apparatus was focused on the Pashto or Punjabi speaking Taliban in FATA and elsewhere in the country and Arabic speaking Al-Qaeda terrorists were the responsibility of the CIA.

Meanwhile, the CIA analysed the transcripts and followed all the clues until the last one led them to the compound in Abbotabad. When the CIA homed in on it in February via ground and satellite surveillance in 2011, it was convinced that a very high value target was living in it, possibly OBL. They found it unbelievable because of its location in the military’s backyard. The consensus view was that an exclusive and secret operation should be launched to get their man because the ISI couldn’t be trusted with a joint operation. The CIA just wasn’t sure whether the ISI was hiding OBL because it was the ISI that had provided the lead to the Sim card and transcripts that led the CIA to the compound in Abbotabad.

http://www.thefridaytimes.com/06052011/page1.shtml

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 11 May 2011 03:07

This gives more credence to Pak govt involvement...

In 2002, Amal reportedly gave an interview to a Saudi woman's magazine, Al Majalla, in which she explained how, after the 9/11 attacks, she made her way out of Afghanistan back to Yemen with assistance from Pakistani officials.
Bin Laden's widow told her Saudi interviewer at the time, "When the U.S. bombing of Afghanistan started, we moved to a mountainous area with some children and lived in one of the caves for two months until one of his sons came with a group of tribesmen and took us with them. I did not know that we were going to Pakistan until they handed us over to the Pakistani government." . . .
But bin Laden somehow arranged for Amal to rejoin him and his kids in Pakistan.

From WSJ/ time ..

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 11 May 2011 03:23

Surya wrote:Still looking for that India today cartoon

sorry if I missed it

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 4#p1083664

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 11 May 2011 03:32

Pakistan's Government Remains Defiant in Face of bin Laden Criticism

Anyone hoping to see Pakistan's civilian government hold the country's powerful military establishment to account over Osama bin Laden will have been disappointed by Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani's speech on May 9.

"Pakistan alone cannot be held to account for [the] flawed policies and blunders of others," he said in one of many thinly veiled anti-U.S. jibes that peppered the speech. "Pakistan is not the birthplace of al-Qaeda. We did not invite Osama bin Laden to Pakistan or even to Afghanistan,"

He claimed that it was the ISI that had furnished crucial intelligence that ultimately led the U.S. to bin Laden

"Indeed, the ISI is a national asset,"

Sovereignty is a buzzword in Pakistan at the moment. Scarcely does a day slip by without laments from opposition politicians and retired officials about its erosion.

"The Pakistan army doesn't care much for sovereignty," says Farzana Shaikh, a Pakistan expert at London's Royal Institute of International Affairs. "But right now it's the only way in which it can salvage its reputation."

saip · Post by **saip** » 11 May 2011 04:22

According to the nutty Nation, whole of Osama's 'million dollar mansion' cost a mere $25000 to build!

http://nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-news ... s-compound

jrjrao · Post by **jrjrao** » 11 May 2011 04:46

Groper Gilani's empty bravado in the parleement yesterday (that "we will kick yankee ass if it happens again") prompts the US to disclose more details.

Details which show that the US was prepared to obliterate any and every Paki ground as well as fizaya mosquito that would have stirred on the night that bin Laden swam with the sharks.

U.S. was prepared to fight Pakistani forces, officials say

(CNN) -- The Obama administration had "very detailed contingency plans" for military action against Pakistani forces if they had tried to stop the U.S. attack on Osama bin Laden's compound, according to two U.S. officials familiar with the plan.

Their names are not disclosed because of the sensitive intelligence information involved.

"No firepower option was off the table" during the Navy SEALs' 38-minute mission on the ground, or during the time U.S. helicopters were in the air, one official told CNN. "We would have done whatever we had to in order to get our men out."

All of the senior U.S. officials in the White House Situation Room during the assault were prepared to call their Pakistani counterparts if fighting between U.S. and Pakistani forces appeared imminent, one of the officials told CNN. The SEALs at all times retained the right of self-defense, and they could have fired at the Pakistanis to defend themselves.

During the time the SEALs were on the ground, while some were inside the compound, others were covertly placed just outside the compound walls to provide perimeter security and keep people away. Some of those SEALs would have been able to speak enough of the local language to communicate with townspeople if they had come across them, one source told CNN.

As the assault on bin Laden's compound commenced, the United States had a number of aircraft flying protective missions. None of the aircraft entered Pakistani airspace, but they were prepared to do so if needed. These included fixed wing fighter jets that would have provided firepower if the team came under opposition fire it could not handle.

Additionally, the Air Force had a full team of combat search and rescue helicopters including MH-53 Pave Low and HH-60 Pave Hawk helicopters flying.

The helicopter that came in to replace the crashed stealth helicopter was carrying a battlefield medical team that was flying overhead and ready to land if SEALs were wounded, one of the CNN sources said. That helicopter landed at the compound within about thirty minutes of being called.

U.S. military and intelligence assets were conducting continuous reconnaissance of Pakistani military installations to watch for any indication of movements, but the Pakistani military never responded while the U.S. forces were there, one U.S. official indicated.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 11 May 2011 05:48

one look at the beehive swarm on the radar scope must have convinced the pakis it was best to shut it down and sleep until the morning.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 11 May 2011 05:58

saip wrote:According to the nutty Nation, whole of Osama's 'million dollar mansion' cost a mere $25000 to build!

http://nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-news ... s-compound

I am sure the situation in Pakistan regarding land value parallels that in India. The value of a house is negligible. It is the land that is valuable. So a million USD would be 80 milion PKR. Or Rs 4 crore in Indian Rupees. A plot of land in Bangalore at Rs 8000 per sq ft would fetch you a 50 ft x 100 feet piece of land (5000 square feet)(few such plots are available though) . This Paki plot was huge - I can't recall the measurements. It should be possible to calculate land value in Abbottabad from its area. Even today when you sell land with a a house on it - it is assumed that the house itself is worthless.

saip · Post by **saip** » 11 May 2011 06:00

No the nation said its figures included the land value. The building only cost 7 laks paki rupees

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 11 May 2011 06:11

Osama bin Laden in praise of the Pakistan army:

We are thankful to the Momin and valiant people of Pakistan who erected a blockade in front of the evil forces and stood in the first file of battle. Pakistan is a great hope for the Islamic brotherhood. Its people are awakened, organized and rich in the spirit of faith. They backed Afghanistan in its war against the Soviet Union and extended every help to the mujahideen. Then these are very Pakistanis who are standing shoulder by shoulder with the Taliban. If such people emerge in just two countries, the domination of the West will diminish in a matter of days. Our hearts beat with Pakistan and, God forbid, if a difficult time comes we will protect it with our blood. Pakistan is sacred for us like a place of worship. We are the people of jihad and fighting for the defense of Pakistan is the best of all jihads to us. It does not matter for us as to who reforms Pakistan. The important thing is that the spirit of jihad is alive and stronger in the hearts of the Pakistani people.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 11 May 2011 06:14

Airavat wrote:Osama bin Laden in praise of the Pakistan army:
We are thankful to the Momin and valiant people of Pakistan who erected a blockade in front of the evil forces and stood in the first file of battle. Pakistan is a great hope for the Islamic brotherhood. Its people are awakened, organized and rich in the spirit of faith. They backed Afghanistan in its war against the Soviet Union and extended every help to the mujahideen. Then these are very Pakistanis who are standing shoulder by shoulder with the Taliban. If such people emerge in just two countries, the domination of the West will diminish in a matter of days. Our hearts beat with Pakistan and, God forbid, if a difficult time comes we will protect it with our blood. Pakistan is sacred for us like a place of worship. We are the people of jihad and fighting for the defense of Pakistan is the best of all jihads to us. It does not matter for us as to who reforms Pakistan. The important thing is that the spirit of jihad is alive and stronger in the hearts of the Pakistani people.

Source please Airavat

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 11 May 2011 06:21

My theory, US was mightily prepared. It had moved elements of 7th fleet and added to 5th fleet (as someone pointed out), no less than 2 a/c carrier group were on the TSP shores. What is going unmentioned is, stealth planes as in F-22 and or B2 would have been there. This was the big deal, if gone wrong would have made Carter out of Obama. If they prepared so much, they would not have left out F-22 (to shoot) and B2's (to bomb), mostly because they would have existed in the airspace unnoticed.
My theory on how this thing went down --
US was conducting intelligence for more than 6 months of the compound. If you believe that they were prepared to go without telling the Tspians (I believe it is true), they would have collected intelligence on what could be the response time from TSPians, who commands what, who will give the relevant order.I would believe from when the TSP knew something was going on first thing they would have done is to restore their flanks, then gather a force and then go out. This could have easily taken at least half hour.

They choose the right time, a moonless night, either timed it with load shedding or made the lights go off (short the transformer). The Seals landed, they exactly knew how many people were there, who they were and where (as in which part of the building) they were. On a compound like that, with minimal to no firefights (no photographs of any bullet marks etc and claim later that none of these guys had gun), they would have killed the three people that they killed (all as someone mentioned shot through their mouth as they were yelling and as it is supposedly the ideal shot)in the first few minutes. I would say they got Laden within the first 5 minutes.Then they took time to get all the computers etc. With 20 people, all those computers and hardrives etc would not have taken more than another 10. Someone must have been watching the TSP response and either listening and jamming the conversation. They may or may not have called them to stay out of it.

Btw A TSP heli in Tarbela crashed as the raid went down (soft or hard kill by US planes F-22 maybe) and second day Mirage 3 went down somewhere in Pakjab, I think it happened also the same night. SO uncle did take action. Before the QRT or anyone can be mobilize, Seals were off, in less than 15-20 minutes. No one is going to tell the truth on the real time, it is a very valuable piece of information. So they were off before pakis could respond.

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 11 May 2011 06:24

shiv wrote:Osama bin Laden in praise of the Pakistan army:
<snip>
Source please Airavat

Interview published in the Daily Ummat newspaper (urdu) in Karachi, on 28th September, 2001. Translations available all over the worldwide web.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 11 May 2011 06:29

fanne wrote:So they were off before pakis could respond.

The interesting thing is that the US was monitoring Pakistan's assets and knew if they were responding or not.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 11 May 2011 06:34

US granted access to question bin laden's wives
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiap ... tml?hpt=T2

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 11 May 2011 06:35

shiv wrote:
saip wrote:According to the nutty Nation, whole of Osama's 'million dollar mansion' cost a mere $25000 to build!

http://nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-news ... s-compound
I am sure the situation in Pakistan regarding land value parallels that in India.

And, high end furnishings and "state of the art" electronics. Don't forget those.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 11 May 2011 06:37

^surely you jest sir. there were very moderately priced furnishings and tv in there.

prithvi · Post by **prithvi** » 11 May 2011 08:10

Chinese wants to peek downed US stealth chopper, Pakistan says
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/osama-bin ... d=13570573

Johann · Post by **Johann** » 11 May 2011 08:19

jrjrao wrote: Details which show that the US was prepared to obliterate any and every Paki ground as well as fizaya mosquito that would have stirred on the night that bin Laden swam with the sharks.

U.S. was prepared to fight Pakistani forces, officials say
(CNN) -- The Obama administration ]had "very detailed contingency plans" for military action against Pakistani forces if they had tried to stop the U.S. attack on Osama bin Laden's compound, according to two U.S. officials familiar with the plan.

Their names are not disclosed because of the sensitive intelligence information involved.

"No firepower option was off the table" during the Navy SEALs' 38-minute mission on the ground, or during the time U.S. helicopters were in the air, one official told CNN. "We would have done whatever we had to in order to get our men out."

All of the senior U.S. officials in the White House Situation Room during the assault were prepared to call their Pakistani counterparts if fighting between U.S. and Pakistani forces appeared imminent, one of the officials told CNN. The SEALs at all times retained the right of self-defense, and they could have fired at the Pakistanis to defend themselves.

As the assault on bin Laden's compound commenced, the United States had a number of aircraft flying protective missions. None of the aircraft entered Pakistani airspace, but they were prepared to do so if needed. These included fixed wing fighter jets that would have provided firepower if the team came under opposition fire it could not handle.

...U.S. military and intelligence assets were conducting continuous reconnaissance of Pakistani military installations to watch for any indication of movements[/u], but the Pakistani military never responded while the U.S. forces were there, one U.S. official indicated.

I think now people can understand exactly why Obama and the other 'principals' in the White House Situation Room were gathered together to watch the raid, and why they looked as tense as they did.

From their perspective the worst thing that could go wrong was not the failure to find a high value target in the house - the operation would never have made it to the US news in that case.

Rather, the worst thing that could have happened would have been if the force did have to fight their way out against Pakistani forces.

Not only would Obama, Mullen and Clinton have had to get on the phone to their Pakistani counterparts right away, they would also have to make some *very* quick decisions about military responses.

I referred to the Son Tay raid - this could have easily ended up looking like the aftermath of 'going downtown to Hanoi', including suppressing Pakistani air defences, and temporarily even inserting even larger forces if for example they had lost more than one or two helicopters.This is also the kind of planning for the extraction phase of the operation to free US embassy hostages in Tehran in 1980. Of course that one never got to the final stage.

Its worth thinking about (for Americans, Pakistanis, and really everyone) that Pakistan finds itself in a group that includes North Vietnam and Iran. A truly unique achievement for a current "Major Non-NATO Ally" - congratulations to both the US and Pakistan for bringing this state of affairs about.

Can any alliance really survive this sort of thing indefinitely? The Americans hope that Pakistan's establishment can be bribed, and now bribed, intimidated and shamed in to changing.

US responses to the Pakistani establishments fundamental unwillingness to change continue to become more extreme, and the Pakistani public's hatred continues to build. What will the Americans do next when (not if) the generals refuse to change?

How much more extreme can the response get before the Pakistani generals feel compelled to do more than make symbolic protests?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 11 May 2011 08:36

Singha wrote:one look at the beehive swarm on the radar scope must have convinced the pakis it was best to shut it down and sleep until the morning.

So Fizaye became fizzleya!

Or a force of penguins.

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 11 May 2011 08:38

prithvi wrote:Chinese wants to peek downed US stealth chopper, Pakistan says
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/osama-bin ... d=13570573

Pakis are trying their usual blackmail tricks. I don't think it's going to work though.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 11 May 2011 08:43

I have been thinking about Nightwatch comment about the US raid exposing the strategic weakness of TSP being exposed to India.

One weakness in note is TSP buckles down when confronted with firm resolve backed by excess force. This has happened many times since 9/11 with Mushy gushing excuses. And now Kiyani without speeches.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 11 May 2011 08:45

the debris will have been photographed the next morning by satellites and sher khan will demand and audit every piece being returned.

but assuming the debris were sent to nearest airbase for safekeeping, the chinese would already have got a look, taken photos and measurements and small samples of the materials for further analysis. the pakis can claim these fell off the truck on the rough roads (demand a couple billion to improve the roads on the side)

in about a year one can expect chinese pics showing some new stealth variant of existing heli 'inspired' by the silenthawk.

sum · Post by **sum** » 11 May 2011 08:48

One weakness in note is TSP buckles down when confronted with firm resolve backed by excess force. This has happened many times since 9/11 with Mushy gushing excuses. And now Kiyani without speeches.

Exactly..Pak is just like a high school bully with all bluster but no bite. Thats why, IMO, India also should try to show the bully who is boss from time to time instead of always trying Gandhigiri which will never work with hardened bullies.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 11 May 2011 08:54

Sum they buckle down early on to the Lodis, Mughal, Marathas, Ranjit Singhji and so on. Only we forgot that.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 11 May 2011 09:03

I missed it.. did any one else see it on PBS ?

kill capture?

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 11 May 2011 09:04

found it

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/kill-capture/

watching it now

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 11 May 2011 09:09

A Decade on the Lam: How much longer will Al Qaeda survive? Just look at all it took to hunt down its leader.

Bin Laden's poisonous ideology began to wither on 9/11

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 11 May 2011 09:17

the kill capture secret program already has net 10K to 20K insurgents captured in afpak.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 11 May 2011 09:28

The thing that would be of interest to the chinese would be:
1. The RAM coatings on the helo
2. The material used to construct the skin of the helo
3. The shape of the rotor blades

The engine, and its coverings I assume did not survive intact.

The pakistanis would already have transferred a few parts to the Chinese by now.

I wonder what the US would have done if the $hit hit the fan:
1. The would have taken out all known radar installations in the area with ARMs
2. The F-18s would have come in and taken out any flying aircraft approaching that region with BVR missiles.
3. There would be more aircraft with precision guided ground attack munitions to take out any movement to kill/capture the US forces.
The US would have secured the airspace, created a protective bubble around the forces, enforced with fighters, & AC-130 gunships and given enough time to a heliborne force to move in and evacuate the commandos.

The escalatory ladder would be well planned. Pakistan wouldn't have been able to escalate, and the US would have been one step ahead at all times.

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 11 May 2011 09:33

Would they need to go that far? As soon as they sense even one fighter taking off while the mission is on, BO would've gotten on the phone and called kiyanahi to stand down. They wouldn't have had to use the danda except to take out one or two F-16s that might have taken off before the message got through. Pukis wouldnt dare do anything after the phone call.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 11 May 2011 09:39

Prasad wrote:Would they need to go that far? As soon as they sense even one fighter taking off while the mission is on, BO would've gotten on the phone and called kiyanahi to stand down.

I doubt this. All systems have a degree of independence and the orders to take care of a threat does not have to come from Kiyani. So even if Ombaba called kiyani - the latter may not be able to stop events. In fact he can use that as a good excuse. For example if an aircraft attacks the USS Carl Vinson 15 seconds from now - there is no way Obama can stop the carrier from retaliating and attempting to shoot down the aircraft.

Johann · Post by **Johann** » 11 May 2011 09:42

Gagan,

The US would have got its people out, but think of the effect the raid on Pakistan as is, and consider what it would have been after military losses.

There would certainly have been deaths, and destruction even by the time Kiyani understood was going on and the orders got through to stand down.

Now think about the absolute chagrin in Pakistani military minds that goes far beyond embarrassment about what has already happened. The really tough question is what on earth should they do next time?

Make sure they respond even slower to reduce the chance of a pasting? Skirmish, just for PR effect? Make the Yankees pay some sort of minimal price so they'll think twice?

Perhaps in the end they will find it easier to cross their fingers and hope America is about to go home and leave them alone.

Either way Pakistan is going to bring this upon itself again, sooner or later, and things may go down very differently.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 11 May 2011 10:26

One thing to consider is that after this raid, the US has lost all element of surprise as far as high value targets are concerned.

And the Pakistani army has run out of excuses for not preventing a raid on Pakistan;s national hero.

I think the Pakistanis will take out one of the top 3 that the US wants - Al Zawahari, Mullah Omar, or Haqqani. They will take out one of these and then try and crawl back into the earlier dragging their feet mode.

Out of these, Mullah Omar is apparently recovering form a Coronary stenting operation after a heart attack a few months back in Karachi. The ISI-walas had to take him to hospital from his safehouse for it. Looks like mullah omar is next on the list.

That is if he hasn't cut a deal with the US.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 11 May 2011 10:29

Another thing.
The US intelligence apparatus must be on hyper alert mode on the ground in Pakistan.

The death of OBL is sure to make the others very insecure, and they will immediately try and change their locations. When they move, there is a greater chance they'll be detected. If the US was planning for this for a long time, they are watching for any movement on the ground.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 11 May 2011 10:55

Gagan wrote: The US intelligence apparatus must be on hyper alert mode on the ground in Pakistan.

The death of OBL is sure to make the others very insecure, and they will immediately try and change their locations. When they move, there is a greater chance they'll be detected. If the US was planning for this for a long time, they are watching for any movement on the ground.

This is fun. It would be in the ISI's interest NOT to move anyone, knowing that all eyes will be on for movements.

Everyone who was not moved on the day OBL was shot will stay put for now.

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 11 May 2011 10:56

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 11 May 2011 13:51

Check Def secretary sitting next Kiya Nahi. at 2 38min

In what seems to be an desperate attempt to save face internationally as well as at home, Pakistan today (May 6) claimed that there is no freeze in the relation with the US. Pakistan's Army on Thursday (May 5) threatened to review cooperation with the United States if it conducted more raids like the one that killed Osama bin Laden. "COAS made it clear that any similar action violating the sovereignty of Pakistan will warrant a review on the level of military/intelligence cooperation with the United States," the army said in a statement, referring to Chief of Army Staff (COAS) General Ashfaq Kayani. It was the first comment from the army since the May 2 attack that killed bin Laden.

Trying to fight away allegations that Pakistan sheltered Osama bin Laden, Interior Minister Rehman Malik today (May 9) said he had received information on the bin Laden operation, "15 minutes after it had begun." However, the report did not say who informed Malik.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 11 May 2011 14:48

Bin Laden called on the US to provide proof of his father's death - "we are not convinced" he said - while also condemning Osama bin Laden's sea burial as a deprivation of the family's religious rights.
more by Osama bin Laden - 2 hours ago - The Guardian

http://news.google.com/news/more?pz=1&c ... xM&topic=h