Patna Blasts : 27 Oct 2013 (News and Discussion)

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 29 Oct 2013 10:35

knowing the selective forgetfulness of the police in congress ruled / third front states, your second idea sounds more realistic.

a police that cannot even sanitize a ground properly or has difficulty in bomb disposal of crude devices is way out of its depth.....and the NSG protection probably extends to close in protection only, not a comprehensive event/site cover like SPG or the POTUSs secret service crew. only the army, NSG and maybe some special units of mumbai and delhi police have trained snipers who can take down other snipers...even there probably only the army SF trains for anti-sniper work not just taking out normal terrorists at long distance.

he is at grave risk for sure every day now.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 29 Oct 2013 10:44

apparently the mumbai police have obtained 3 barett 50cal rifles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvopPjE7gHI
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/big-m ... te/768911/

here in wankhede stadium...can anyone id the type...long barrel FNFAL?
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/12/ ... 68x319.jpg

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 29 Oct 2013 10:51

Which are the venues of upcoming rallies?
Added: Found it: http://www.india272.com/events/upcoming/

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 29 Oct 2013 10:56

Outlines of the Conspiracy

Muppalla wrote:mango junta was escatic thinking DD is bowing to future boss. However, DD relaying NaMo instead of Rahul has to be noted. Why every single TV including Govt started relaying NaMo rally? Instructions were given to unleash a watching of bloodbath to declare a national emergency. That is a probable deduction.

Patna rally is not going to go away from memory of Indians for a while.

1) For Muzaffarnagar as well, Seculars are trying to put the blame on BJP for engineering the riots. Check the BJP MLAs who were taken into custody. Then there have been general statements accusing BJP on this. Rahul too made such statements in a rally. Rahul also wanted to put the blame for Muslim youth turning to Jihad and terror at the doorstep of BJP when he spoke in his rally. So that if there is a strike at Modi or Modi's rally, again the blame can be put on BJP for causing radicalization of Muslim youth.

2) Then Rahul also spoke of his Grandmother and Father being killed by people who carry hate, and he too may be killed.
This sounds very much preemptive posturing. In case Modi is cut down, Rahul would have said, it can happen to any PM candidate. It happened to his father, it could have happened to him, and as destiny would have willed it, this time it happened to Modi. But he too was a target. The case is being made that a) Congress is not responsible and in fact is a victim of assassinations, perhaps in a similar vein as Pakistan says it too is a victim of terror. b) Perhaps to prepare the people to deal with this situation. Telling them that we Indians are used to our PMs and PM candidates being assassinated, and we have been able to deal with that in the past and as such would also be able to swallow this as well.

3) Rahul came to his rally which was occurring simultaneously in Delhi in a Helicopter. This is Delhi where he normally moves in cars. Was there an anticipation that the events in Patna would take a turn for stampedes, assassinations and total bloodshed and Rahul may have to be evacuate quickly.

4) All TV stations, even those submissive to Congress, turned from showing Rahul's speech to focus on events at Patna. It seems this time Congress wanted the whole country to be witness to the mass stampede that was expected. The whole country should have thought that Modi is responsible for the stampede for getting so many people there without necessary organizational checks. Also it is good that everybody can be witness to an event which would have cascaded to Hindu-Muslim riots across the country and MSM could have put the blame on Modi.

5) Also interesting is that President Pranab Mukherjee was going to be as originally planned for two days in Patna, Oct 26 and Oct 27, so Bihar CM Nitish Kumar must have had his program planned accordingly. So where did all this talk of a some JDU Chintan Shivir come about taking place OUTSIDE Patna on Oct 27 and Oct 28 where Nitish Kumar was supposed to be?
With such a massive organizational event taking place in Patna, shouldn't the CM have been there on standby or looking at all precautions and arrangements? It seems, that Nitish Kumar wanted to be out of town when the great stampede was to take place, and possibly also the retaliation by the Hindus!

6) Considering the sloppy security and medical arrangements, it seems the Bihar Govt wanted to provide maximum potential for stampede victims and mayhem later on, for maximum casualties! It seems this lack of proper arrangements for such a huge event was not due to negligence but was in fact premeditated.

7) Also the Editorial in New York Times seems to be very suspicious, as if preparations were being made at a global scale to put the blame squarely on Modi for his "hate-mongering" towards Muslims. It seems preparations were afoot worldwide to justify a clamp down on Hindutva in India.

I would say we just escaped from falling over a very dangerous precipice in our history really by the skin of our teeth. Had it happened there would have been no chance of doing this analysis with a cool head.

All this can happen at the next rally as well. That's why this Conspiracy needs to be put out there prominently so that Congress knows that should something happen, where the fingers of India would put the blame.

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 29 Oct 2013 11:03

Singha wrote: here in wankhede stadium...can anyone id the type...long barrel FNFAL?
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/12/ ... 68x319.jpg

H&K PSG-1

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 29 Oct 2013 11:03

I think its announced on a monthly basis. his fbook page events has only until Oct25 jhansi.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 29 Oct 2013 11:05

Nov 8- Bahraich, UP
Nov 16- Bangalore, Karnataka
Dec 1- Goa
Dec 8- Punjab

Rahul Mehta · Post by **Rahul Mehta** » 29 Oct 2013 11:11

<edit>
this is not the thread for your SMS campaign.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 29 Oct 2013 12:15

If Nitish Kumar did not take any action against IM module in Bihar (especially Yasin Bhatkal & co) from a long time then the red signals were there from the beginning. But BJP was part of Bihar govt not long ago and it will be interesting to see whether coalition pressure kept them from voicing their concerans or taking any action on this front. If that is the case then it is really disappointing.

niran · Post by **niran** » 29 Oct 2013 12:48

^^IM have bases in and around Indo Nepal border which to this day is a congress fiefdom
the convention was "chor saar ghar chod ke chori karts hai" but since Bodh gaya that code have been
erased this muzafarnagar revenge is just hogwash azam khan
should have been the target not NaMo BTW why is polis releasing interrogation statements by a terrorist?

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 29 Oct 2013 13:04

Laugh or weep, its up to you.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 29 Oct 2013 13:06

dont forget the eastern part of UP - mughalsarai - azamgarh - gorakhpur - nepal border belt. it is contiguous.

Kureel is devastating as usual.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 29 Oct 2013 14:31

Centre alerted Bihar about terror attack in Patna: Shinde

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 29 Oct 2013 14:45

This Dhanashri Kulkarni (@DhanushKool) seems to have some inside sources of information -

@DhanushKool
One more Blast in Patna... Loudest so far...
More imp.: Arrested accused mobile contains d number of a Prominent Congi. leader...

@DhanushKool
@masala_chaas yep... accused dialed few nos. in morning.. one of them was cong. ldr... Patna police is extremely nervous..

@DhanushKool
@gopal2315 @masala_chaas dats what my sources tell me... even gave me d name... but 2 b disclosed only after its confirmed...

@lalitnagrath
@hsp1509 is it digvijay singh ? @JasumatiPatel @DhanushKool

@DhanushKool
@lalitnagrath @hsp1509 @JasumatiPatel No.. But let Patna police reveal it... If they don't then I will.

@DhanushKool
One more thing.. Y'day I promised to reveal a "name" but only if #Patna Police doesn't?.. I still stand by my promise.. lets wait n watch

@DhanushKool (via Twitlonger)
Very Important... This is what my sources tell me :
ISI hatched d plan to kill Modi in d "best Interest of Pakistan."
as they believe that Modi will drastically change India's foreign policy.
ISI firmly believes that Modi will take pro-active interest in Pakistan's internal issues and divide pakistan into 4 parts. (west Punjab, Sindh, east Baloch & Pashtun)
Not just that but he will enter in to military protection pact with at least 2 of d 4 new states. Later may assimilate them into India.
ISI also believes that Modi is 'capable' to carry out his 'plan' to the desired conclusion.
Thus ISI desperately wants to assassinate Modi at all costs.
#PatnaBlast is just one of the attacks planned. there were many before. There will be many after.
They have asked Congress to turn blind eye towards IM activities and also provide details about Modi's security arrangements.
ISI has overseas black money account details of most of the congi leaders and They do ISI's bidding whenever asked.
This information comes from someone whom I fully trust and who has access to the intelligence sources based in Pakistan.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 29 Oct 2013 14:49

Patna serial blasts: 2 IM human bombers were to target Modi, plan blew up due to timer battery error - http://www.indiatvnews.com/crime/news/p ... -4233.html

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 29 Oct 2013 17:01

Pranav wrote:This Dhanashri Kulkarni (@DhanushKool) seems to have some inside sources of information -

@DhanushKool (via Twitlonger)
Very Important... This is what my sources tell me :
ISI hatched d plan to kill Modi in d "best Interest of Pakistan."
as they believe that Modi will drastically change India's foreign policy.
ISI firmly believes that Modi will take pro-active interest in Pakistan's internal issues and divide pakistan into 4 parts. (west Punjab, Sindh, east Baloch & Pashtun)
Not just that but he will enter in to military protection pact with at least 2 of d 4 new states. Later may assimilate them into India.
ISI also believes that Modi is 'capable' to carry out his 'plan' to the desired conclusion.
Thus ISI desperately wants to assassinate Modi at all costs.
#PatnaBlast is just one of the attacks planned. there were many before. There will be many after.
They have asked Congress to turn blind eye towards IM activities and also provide details about Modi's security arrangements.
ISI has overseas black money account details of most of the congi leaders and They do ISI's bidding whenever asked.
This information comes from someone whom I fully trust and who has access to the intelligence sources based in Pakistan.

PP guy says the same.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 29 Oct 2013 17:34

Patna: One more live bomb has been found at Gandhi Maidan in Patna where Bharatiya Janata Party's prime ministerial candidate Narendra Modi held the Hunkaar rally on Sunday. Earlier in the day, one more live bomb had been recovered from Gandhi Maidan

Read more at: http://ibnlive.in.com/news/patna-second ... ef_article

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 29 Oct 2013 17:51

Patna blasts mastermind Tehseen Akhtar is nephew of JD(U) leader: Report

Mujahideen operative Tehseen Akhtar, who is allegedly the mastermind of Sunday's Patna serial blasts that left six dead and over 50 injured, is the nephew of a Janata Dal (United) leader from Bihar, reports claimed on Tuesday.

Taki Akhtar is the JD(U) leader in Samastipur district, Bihar.

According to a report published in a daily, Taki has always denied any ties with Tehseen. The Akhtars are residents of Maniarpur village of Samastipur, about 100 km from Patna.

Seven blasts took place on Sunday, six of which occured in and around the Gandhi Maidan where Bharatiya Janata Party's prime ministerial candidate Narendra Modi later addressed a rally. Tahseen Akhtar is considered to be close to Yasin Bhatkal, the man who co-founded Indian Mujahideen. In the last few months, the National Investigation Agency (NIA) on more than 10 occasions raided his native village but failed to find him.

Earlier, the NIA issued an arrest warrant against Tahseen Akhtar, and also announced a reward of Rs 10 lakh for information that could lead to his arrest.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 29 Oct 2013 18:55

I was watching Arnab show last night, and one Cong spokesman said that this is a BJP conspiracy

. Man oh man, the hatred and divisions are just too deep. After 2014, we really need a statesman to pull the country together.

The amazing thing is that one doesn't see any regret, no remorse, no shock, no anger at the terrorist attack. Just a perfunctory condemnation, and back to Modi bashing. I wonder if there if there were even a semblance of some Hindu going after say Cong big wig, can you imagine the ruckus that DDM would create on "Hindu terror"? There was one slime ball Owaisi whatever who said IM is a figment of Indian security agencies' imagination. And only innocent Muslims are targeted.

Rahul Mehta · Post by **Rahul Mehta** » 29 Oct 2013 18:57

Dear All,

We must get ALL Patna bomb accused narco-tested in public. There are some technical glitches eg Supreme Court judges have ruled that a terrorist, murderer, rapist etc can be narco-tested, but ONLY after the accused agrees to get narco-tested and signs in writing before a Magistrate. There are TRIVIAL ways to overcome this technicality.

This news says that 3 out of some 7 suspects are juvenile. So max punishments they will face will be three years as per existing law. If these juveniles are criminals, we must get them hanged. For that we need to get law changed.

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1131029/j ... 506545.jsp

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Patna blast trail leads to Ranchi

2 held, hunt on for four suspects

RAMASHANKAR, VIJAYDEO JHA AND RAJ KUMAR
Oct. 28: Police today followed the Patna serial blast trail to the outskirts of Ranchi, saying the conspiracy was masterminded by an Indian Mujahideen (IM) operative and identified six suspects.

Bihar police named all six, saying two were in custody and four were absconding. Accounts by Jharkhand police and villagers near Ranchi suggested that at least three persons with these names were aged 14 or 15, which makes them juveniles. Patna senior superintendent of police Manu Maharaj said the police had cracked the case following the arrest of Imtiyaz Ansari, who he said was 22, and a 25-year-old man, both residents of Sithio village on the outskirts of Ranchi. In Jharkhand, police and villagers put Imtiyaz’s age at 28 and that of the other suspect at 14.

Conflicting versions arose about the condition of the other suspect, whose belt blew up while he was allegedly wrapping it around his waist at the Patna railway station yesterday morning. Bihar SSP Maharaj said he was injured while Jharkhand DGP Rajeev Kumar said he was dead.
Confusion hit the death toll, too. Bihar police officially put the toll at five, which should have been four if the person injured in the station had died, unless a fresh death took place today. No one said on record that one of the injured had passed away today.

The plot, SSP Maharaj said, was chalked out a couple of days before Narendra Modi’s Hunkar Rally at Gandhi Maidan. The officer identified the mastermind as IM operative Tahseen Akhtar. The IM was set up in 2003 to avenge the Gujarat riots of the previous year that occurred during Modi’s first term as chief minister of the western state. SSP Maharaj said the Lotus brand of watches, which are made in Rajkot in Gujarat, were used as timers in the blasts in Patna. The same brand was used in the Bodhgaya serial explosions of July 7. The officer said the plot was conceived jointly by Akhtar, a resident of Ujiyarpur in Bihar’s Samastipur district, 110km northeast of Patna, and Ansari, his nephew. Akhtar, who carries a reward of Rs 10 lakh on his head, is absconding. “Ansari was apprehended while trying to flee after the explosion at Patna Junction,” he said.

Maharaj said Ansari ran a grocery store in Ranchi. Ansari’s father, sources in Ranchi said, owns a ration store. The SSP denied that the other person in custody (whose age and condition are in dispute) had been assigned the role of a human bomb. Police sources in Jharkhand said Ansari was working with three boys from his village, Sithio, 20km from Ranchi. The SSP said that during interrogation, Ansari had disclosed that the entire operation was carried out by three groups, each having two members. The first group was made up by Ansari and the other person in custody, the police said.

The second group comprised the two other boys from Sithio (going by the names provided by Bihar police and accounts of the villagers) and the third group consisted of Akhtar and a person named Haider.

All the members arrived at Patna from Ranchi in private buses, Maharaj said. “They left Ranchi on the night of October 26 and reached Patna by bus the next morning. Each group was assigned a specific task. They planted bombs at strategic locations a few hours before the rally was scheduled to start,” Maharaj said, quoting Ansari. Ansari said the explosives were provided to the groups in Ranchi. “The motive behind the explosions was to create panic, which would lead to a stampede-like situation,” Maharaj said. He did not rule out a link with the Muzaffarnagar riots. “We are probing this angle also. Preliminary investigation has suggested that the intention of the attackers was to disturb therally,” he added.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 29 Oct 2013 20:07

Published on Oct 29, 2013
Indian Mujahideen wanted suicide attack on Modi but plans went wrong, claims arrested operative: India Today

Indian Mujahideen (IM) operatives reportedly wanted to carry out a suicide attack on Narendra Modi at Hunkar rally in Patna on October 27 but the plan went wrong due to accidental blasts, one of accused has confessed to police.

A news report in Gulf News on Monday, quoting the confession of IM operative Imtiyaz, said he and another person were to supposed blow themselves up near the BJP leader's dais in Gandhi Maidan after triggering three blasts around the stage through remote control.

But the plan went awry after a bomb, which was being fitted with battery and timer at a toilet in Patna railway station, went off accidentally.

Imtiyaz's aide was injured in the blast and he died at a hospital. He was nabbed at the rally while he was fleeing after a blast.

According to the report, he told police that the conspiracy to trigger blasts at Modi's rally was hatched in Ranchi and the all the bombs were planted on Sunday morning ahead of the rally.

He said the first blast at the railway station spoiled their plans for a suicide attack.

He said all the bombs were brought to Patna in a bag and were planed in and around the rally ground by six to eight persons.

But Bihar Police said the plan was to create panic and trigger a stampede.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 Oct 2013 20:56

chetak wrote:Patna blasts mastermind Tehseen Akhtar is nephew of JD(U) leader: Report

Mujahideen operative Tehseen Akhtar, who is allegedly the mastermind of Sunday's Patna serial blasts that left six dead and over 50 injured, is the nephew of a Janata Dal (United) leader from Bihar, reports claimed on Tuesday.

Taki Akhtar is the JD(U) leader in Samastipur district, Bihar.

According to a report published in a daily, Taki has always denied any ties with Tehseen. The Akhtars are residents of Maniarpur village of Samastipur, about 100 km from Patna.

Seven blasts took place on Sunday, six of which occured in and around the Gandhi Maidan where Bharatiya Janata Party's prime ministerial candidate Narendra Modi later addressed a rally. Tahseen Akhtar is considered to be close to Yasin Bhatkal, the man who co-founded Indian Mujahideen. In the last few months, the National Investigation Agency (NIA) on more than 10 occasions raided his native village but failed to find him.

Earlier, the NIA issued an arrest warrant against Tahseen Akhtar, and also announced a reward of Rs 10 lakh for information that could lead to his arrest.

Unless the uncle in JD(U) was instrumental in his nephew's activities this is an example of guilt by association. The nephew is grown person and responsible for his own acts.

Also if the NIA was raiding his village on 10 occassions but did not catch him, what was going on? Maybe instead of the village he was in Ranchi? And what did they convey to the Modi govt security team?

Further if the plan was put together so quickly and the devices all placed around the rally maidan on Sunday itself ie day of the rally, it shows how lackadisical the Bihar Police security bandobast was.

disha · Post by **disha** » 29 Oct 2013 21:33

RajeshA wrote:Published on Oct 29, 2013
Indian Mujahideen wanted suicide attack on Modi but plans went wrong, claims arrested operative: India Today

This is what I wrote yesterday,

This is what I gather (from reading several things/looking at photos/Modi's arrival at dias/explosion near dias)

0. Three separate teams of 2 each fanned out - 1 team for the station, 2 teams for the Gandhi Maidan.

1. The blast at a station was not intended. It was in the toilet that the suicide bomber was planning to prepare himself. Let us call this guy SB. SB died by accident when the suicide belt "suicided" SB himself. Any other IEDs planted at station were to be used as diversionary tactic for get away. SB was to prepare himself and go to the maidan.

SB getting suicided at the station itself was the first lucky break.

2. The timing of devices going off is very precise. Generally people rush away from the first blast, so with such a syncro-timing - the goal was to rush the people towards the dais.

3. This would have overwhelmed the security. Imagine a sea of humanity rushing towards you in panic - the dais would have broken down and put the entire BJP top leadership in jeapordy.

Hear the fortitude of Arun J, NaMo and RS came to fruition. They basically made announcement that this are fire crackers - this placated the crowds and NaMos presence showed that the show is going per script (in fact it was not). This actually saved the moment.

The courage of the local aam junta - Biharis - saved India. They stood fire with extreme courage and bravery. My heart goes out for the victims who got injured and who died.

4. SB (from point 1) would have looked for his target (Primarily NaMo, Secondary any BJP leader) and done a Dhanu on Namo.

5. At #4, this would have created mayhem - at this stage the station blasts would have occurred and stopped any movement of troops into the Patna city (or delayed it at the very least). Giving ample cover for the rest of the IM to escape and erase the evidence.

Lucky break here - since now the evidence was found. CM immediately calls NIA - so that the evidence is buried deep.

Here are my other takeaways:

1. CongI Dwivedi gave the green signal. This guy should be charged with criminal conspiracy for murder and given a death sentence. Basically it was a signal to IM to go ahead with a well thought out plan.

2. NiKu was the accessory. He single handedly ensured that the security process has several loop holes and purposely . Looking at Arun J's statement - which is now in public - the police officer deputed did not even had the authority or the capability to rise to the occasion. NiKu should spend a long time in jail.

3. The rest of the CongI team going all the way to termite queen approved of the plan to eliminate BJP top leadership or at least severely weaken them. Her silence speaks volumes. Shehzada was aware of the plan to kill NaMo - his task was to draw a defensive line indicating even his life is at risk. Like a baki equal-equal.

4. #MediaPimps. This are the guys giving WackoChacko max. airtime - painting NaMo as divisive. More importantly others jump in fray indicating BJP did it itself to gain TRP.

Corrections and additions to above:

a. There seems to be four teams - not three teams. 2 more active members on the ground escaped. I was also wondering how come 8 bombs were spread out on Gandhi Maidan by 6 men with such efficiency. There were more - not less.

b. This are very sophisticated IEDs. And almost all of them were successful (other than one pre-detonation)., that indicates that a well-designed, tested and "quality assured" IED was used. Where is the factory that makes it? This needs to be probed. Where else was it tested? Bodh-gaya?

c. This was planned very much in advance. I think the planning pre-sages even before NaMo was made the PM-Candidate. It was put into effect after NaMo's candidature was announced. Bihar was the key - the bodh gaya blasts were a pre-cursor to test out the entire apparatus - down from planting to testing security to escape to behaviour of investigating agencies.

d. Colossul failure of the Central and the State government.

e. Who is behind the foot soldiers? If there are 8 on the ground, and one or two of them are expendable means many more are in the pipeline.

And for future NaMo rallies - this mega event should continue. In fact it just proves that the entire MO of the terrorists failed. Sniffer dogs, evacuation plans, ringed setup - all helps. In fact larger grounds are safer! One can easily put distance and foreign objects are easily identifiable. This can be put in place by rally organizers themselves.

For the above - Pranavji/Sushuptiji/or any BRFite-ji - please free of spreading it if you think there is truth or value in it. I revoke all copyrights on the above analysis

. I would do it, but currently busy with multiple things going on. And I think time is of essence here.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 29 Oct 2013 21:36

It is very strange that leadership of opposite and PM contender targeted under excuse of riots that didn't occur in opposition ruled state. Even international media is silent on this part which puts a question mark to scholarship and intentions of international media and therefore its worth and sanity.

The government is giving better protection to dynasty son and PM wannabe than NaMo even when direct attacks against NaMo occurred in public rally. International media is maintaining radio silence on this too.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 Oct 2013 21:48

Lets get some facts right. Dynasty's son is from the family that has two Prime Minsters killed. True Rajiv Gandhi was the leading candidate at that time.
So he is getting protection as the family member of previous PMs.
On his own his performance so far is such that he does not merit being on any hit list except probable vested interests in his own party.

BTW after both Mrs G and Rajiv Gandhi were killed there was a hue and cry at their own party members who were exonerated later.

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 29 Oct 2013 21:51

ramana wrote:Lets get some facts right. Dynasty's son is from the family that has two Prime Minsters killed. True Rajiv Gandhi was the leading candidate at that time.
So he is getting protection as the family member of previous PMs.
On his own his performance so far is such that he does not merit being on any hit list except probable vested interests in his own party.

BTW after both Mrs G and Rajiv Gandhi were killed there was a hue and cry at their own party members who were exonerated later.

Ramanaji, Rajiv G was murdered because he was provided inadequate security (while he was a prominent PM candidate). It was the murder of a PM candidate which led to these changes. So in principle, NM does qualify.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 Oct 2013 21:55

I agree totally. My point was dynasty son is getting protection as there is a threat out there. Same with Modi. The Patna blasts who there is a threat which has failed. So its incumbent on Home Minster Shinde to ensure top quality security and none of this giving inputs and alerts to States is adequate.

BTW many in IB are ashamed that they have failed to protect two PMs of India.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 29 Oct 2013 22:26

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 Oct 2013 22:50

I have been thinking about the suggested ISI being the mastermind of the attack with local connivance.
It probable but not palusible.

ISI is a military agency. It cannot afford to have botched attempt on a future head of another country. It would lead to severe consequnces.
Further so far they have never been implicated or suggested even in Mrs G's killing.

And they would have used more surefire methods than IEDs and amateur "suicided" bombers.

This is a local attack.

The question is why and how?

And role of local state authorities was it negligence or connivance?

And the media sudden coverage of the Patna rally was it spontaneous or under direction?
Key one is Doordarshan.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 Oct 2013 22:58

More examples of Bihar Police efficiency. Looks like they are sanitising after the blasts!!!

Hindustan Times:

Five more bombs found at Gandhi Maidan Patna

The police recovered five live bombs from Gandhi Maidan on Tuesday, two days after a series of blasts were triggered in and around the venue of BJP prime ministerial nominee Narendra Modi's rally.

All five bombs were placed at strategic locations to cause the maximum damage but did not go off as the wires were not properly connected.

Serial blasts during the BJP’s hunkar (battle cry) rally claimed six lives and left more than 90 people injured at the 52-acre ground in the Bihar capital.

"One bomb was found close to the auto stand on the ground’s north-eastern end while three were found near the Gandhi statue on the north-western end. Another was placed quite close to the police control room set up for the rally,” a police official said.

After discovery of the bombs, a CPI-ML rally scheduled to be held at the ground on Wednesday was shifted to Patna's Miller School grounds.

The security agencies are searching for more bombs and sanitising Gandhi Maidan.

Jharkhand ADG for law and order SN Pradhan said there may be similarities between Patna and Bodh Gaya blasts. “The Patna blasts have been carried out by the Ranchi module of the IM, which could be connected to earlier blasts in Varanasi and Bodh Gaya.”

{Lilo and RajeshA, You both are correct that Bodh Gaya and even Varanasi was trial run.}

He said the terror operatives’ failure to cause maximum impact points to homegrown and fresh module at the outskirts of Ranchi. “There are clear indications of Indian Mujahedeen’s Jharkhand chief Mohammad Tehseen Akhtar involvement in the incident.”

The security agencies are looking for other suspects in the case – four of them have been traced to Ranchi while another hails from Aurangabad.

So total number of devices used were six+five so far. Could be more as they are still searching.

Also read the related stories. Looks like Ranchi area is the new Bhatkal of Bihar and hosts a new nest of vipers.

If this module was responsible for Varanasi blasts then how come there is no follow-up from UP on this case?

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 29 Oct 2013 23:02

Another thing to keep in mind: the use of inducing a stampede as a political weapon of terror.

We cannot say for sure that assassinating NaMo was the object of the Patna attack (though it is certainly likely.) We can, however, say for sure that the terrorists wanted to create a mass-casualty stampede at the Gandhi Maidan by sowing panic through these blasts.

What this brings to mind is the October 13, 2013 stampede at the MP temple where 115 were killed. The circumstances under which that stampede began are ambiguously reported and to the best of my knowledge, dubious. It is also certain that the stampede was used to cover BJP in a bad light (DNA, for example, compared 115 deaths in the MP stampede to some 20-odd deaths in Cyclone Phailin, thanks to the efficiency of secular herrow Naveen Patnaik.)

Given that MP is an election state, what are the chances that the stampede there was also triggered off deliberately by Cong-sponsored Islamic terrorists (or "miscreants" as the media likes to call them?) Are we looking at a new paradigm of terrorist attack here, where explosive devices are marginally involved or even unnecessary in inducing mass casualties?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 Oct 2013 23:05

They alwasy are referred to as 'boys' even by the Police.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 Oct 2013 23:32

Yasin Bhatkal is, like OBL was, a dead snake. Arresting or getting them after they have shot their bolts is a useless publicity stunt.

It does nothing to stop or halt terrorist attacks and even glorifies them after the fact.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 Oct 2013 23:41

Do we have the basic facts out yet?

How mnay devices and placement?
What type of design was used?
How and where were they made?
Is it possible to place so many devices by three teams of two people each?
And how mnay suspects and how many in custody?

We know one got suicided by the bum.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 30 Oct 2013 00:09

Ranchi edition of Pioneer has detailed sub-stories as its the epicenter of this attack:

http://www.dailypioneer.com/state-editions/ranchi

syele · Post by **syele** » 30 Oct 2013 00:11

http://www.ndtv.com/article/cheat-sheet ... nde-438773

Narendra Modi doesn't need SPG security: Home Minister Shinde

"New Delhi: Home Minister Sushil Kumar Shinde today said that there is no need for Narendra Modi, the BJP's prime ministerial candidate, to be guarded by the Special Protection Group or SPG, which protects the Prime Minister and other VVIP politicians like Congress president Sonia Gandhi. Mr Modi's security has become a boldface controversy after a series of bombs exploded ahead of his rally in Patna on Sunday, killing six people and injuring 83."

syele · Post by **syele** » 30 Oct 2013 00:14

http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/pa ... 86816.html
Patna blasts aimed at igniting communal clashes, says accused

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 30 Oct 2013 00:43

RajeshA wrote:Outlines of the Conspiracy

Muppalla wrote:mango junta was escatic thinking DD is bowing to future boss. However, DD relaying NaMo instead of Rahul has to be noted. Why every single TV including Govt started relaying NaMo rally? Instructions were given to unleash a watching of bloodbath to declare a national emergency. That is a probable deduction.

Patna rally is not going to go away from memory of Indians for a while.
1) For Muzaffarnagar as well, Seculars are trying to put the blame on BJP for engineering the riots. Check the BJP MLAs who were taken into custody. Then there have been general statements accusing BJP on this. Rahul too made such statements in a rally. Rahul also wanted to put the blame for Muslim youth turning to Jihad and terror at the doorstep of BJP when he spoke in his rally. So that if there is a strike at Modi or Modi's rally, again the blame can be put on BJP for causing radicalization of Muslim youth.

2) Then Rahul also spoke of his Grandmother and Father being killed by people who carry hate, and he too may be killed.
This sounds very much preemptive posturing. In case Modi is cut down, Rahul would have said, it can happen to any PM candidate. It happened to his father, it could have happened to him, and as destiny would have willed it, this time it happened to Modi. But he too was a target. The case is being made that a) Congress is not responsible and in fact is a victim of assassinations, perhaps in a similar vein as Pakistan says it too is a victim of terror. b) Perhaps to prepare the people to deal with this situation. Telling them that we Indians are used to our PMs and PM candidates being assassinated, and we have been able to deal with that in the past and as such would also be able to swallow this as well.

3) Rahul came to his rally which was occurring simultaneously in Delhi in a Helicopter. This is Delhi where he normally moves in cars. Was there an anticipation that the events in Patna would take a turn for stampedes, assassinations and total bloodshed and Rahul may have to be evacuate quickly.

4) All TV stations, even those submissive to Congress, turned from showing Rahul's speech to focus on events at Patna. It seems this time Congress wanted the whole country to be witness to the mass stampede that was expected. The whole country should have thought that Modi is responsible for the stampede for getting so many people there without necessary organizational checks. Also it is good that everybody can be witness to an event which would have cascaded to Hindu-Muslim riots across the country and MSM could have put the blame on Modi.

5) Also interesting is that President Pranab Mukherjee was going to be as originally planned for two days in Patna, Oct 26 and Oct 27, so Bihar CM Nitish Kumar must have had his program planned accordingly. So where did all this talk of a some JDU Chintan Shivir come about taking place OUTSIDE Patna on Oct 27 and Oct 28 where Nitish Kumar was supposed to be?
With such a massive organizational event taking place in Patna, shouldn't the CM have been there on standby or looking at all precautions and arrangements? It seems, that Nitish Kumar wanted to be out of town when the great stampede was to take place, and possibly also the retaliation by the Hindus!

6) Considering the sloppy security and medical arrangements, it seems the Bihar Govt wanted to provide maximum potential for stampede victims and mayhem later on, for maximum casualties! It seems this lack of proper arrangements for such a huge event was not due to negligence but was in fact premeditated.

7) Also the Editorial in New York Times seems to be very suspicious, as if preparations were being made at a global scale to put the blame squarely on Modi for his "hate-mongering" towards Muslims. It seems preparations were afoot worldwide to justify a clamp down on Hindutva in India.

I would say we just escaped from falling over a very dangerous precipice in our history really by the skin of our teeth. Had it happened there would have been no chance of doing this analysis with a cool head.

All this can happen at the next rally as well. That's why this Conspiracy needs to be put out there prominently so that Congress knows that should something happen, where the fingers of India would put the blame.

Scary

JD(U), CONGi co-operation
IM called on duty
NYTimes called on duty
PAIDMEDIA waiting for some thing to happen
Bombs go off.

There must be a huge co-ordination all over from the middle of N. Delhi to activate this plan

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 30 Oct 2013 00:45

Rudradev wrote:We cannot say for sure that assassinating NaMo was the object of the Patna attack (though it is certainly likely.)

At this point, it does look like it was an assassination attempt. The below report looks like it was hastily done..but it could be that this is raw news with no spin

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/patn ... 20736.html

Indian Mujahideen (IM) operatives reportedly wanted to carry out a suicide attack on Narendra Modi at Hunkar rally in Patna on October 27 but the plan went wrong due to accidental blasts, one of accused has confessed to police.

A news report in Gulf News on Monday, quoting the confession of IM operative Imtiyaz, said he and another person were to supposed blow themselves up near the BJP leader's dais in Gandhi Maidan after triggering three blasts around the stage through remote control.

But the plan went awry after a bomb, which was being fitted with battery and timer at a toilet in Patna railway station, went off accidentally.

Imtiyaz's aide was injured in the blast and he died at a hospital. He was nabbed at the rally while he was fleeing after a blast.

According to the report, he told police that the conspiracy to trigger blasts at Modi's rally was hatched in Ranchi and the all the bombs were planted on Sunday morning ahead of the rally.

He said the first blast at the railway station spoiled their plans for a suicide attack.

He said all the bombs were brought to Patna in a bag and were planed in and around the rally ground by six to eight persons.

But Bihar Police said the plan was to create panic and trigger a stampede.

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 30 Oct 2013 01:53

That ISI theory is a red-herring.

After the Ishrat disowning by LeT all the track-2 stuff happening, I have little doubt that a section of the C-System has a liaison with the TSP powers.

So whenever they have to do something nasty they get the IM modules activated and then point a finger at the ISI.

The ISI has no problems playing along since it keeps the jehadis blood-lust satisfied.

RG's bizarre statements about Muzafarpur's ISI connection fit the script perfectly.