Re: Who are the fronts and behinds of the ISI(P/S/?)
Posted: 18 Oct 2014 19:33
by ramana
Al Anbar area.is where the Abbasiad Caliphate started as reaction to Ummayad based in Damascus. IOW this region is the cauldron of historical forces.
Re: Who are the fronts and behinds of the ISI(P/S/?)
Posted: 18 Oct 2014 23:34
by Kamboja
Thanks Ramanaji. Another point of context that helps explain Sunni-Shia relations in Iraq. Although they are the minority, the Sunnis have also traditionally been the overlords -- accorded more privilege and incorporated into the ruling elites. This was first done by the Sunni Ottoman Turks when they took over from the Shia Safavid Persians, and continued under the British colonial authority, and more recently under Saddam.
So Sunni Iraqis have a soup-e-riority complex regarding Shia Iraqis that is akin to the Paki ashraf TFTA mentality regarding SDRES -- historic dominance, right to rule, etc. etc.
Re: Who are the fronts and behinds of the ISI(P/S/?)
Posted: 18 Oct 2014 23:39
by ramana
Sort of Hutsi-Tutsi dynamic.
Re: Who are the fronts and behinds of the ISI(P/S/?)
Posted: 19 Oct 2014 09:23
by wig
this person from Qatar is reported to send GBP 1 million a month to jihadi types. while the us and now the Uk have put restrictions on him,
One of the world’s most prolific terrorist financiers Abd al-Rahman bin Umayr al-Nuaymi has finally been banned from doing business in Britain — 10 months after he was hit with sanctions by the United States.
Abd al-Rahman bin Umayr al-Nuaymi, a Qatari who is accused of sending more than £1 million a month to al-Qaeda jihadists in Iraq, has been added to a list of terrorist suspects and groups targeted with financial sanctions in Britain.
Re: Who are the fronts and behinds of the ISI(P/S/?)
Posted: 19 Oct 2014 21:59
by wig
Qatar funds extremists across the Middle East
The Gulf State is accused of channeling cash towards various radical Islamist groups across the region - some of whom are linked with terrorism
However, it has also played a significant role in funding groups across the Middle East who are extremely hostile to the West.
It has been providing arms to a group of radical Islamists called "Libya Dawn", whose allies, Ansar al-Sharia, were responsible for killing US Ambassador Christopher Stevens in an attack on a diplomatic compound in Benghazi in 2011.
It has also been funding a Syrian rebel faction called Ahrar al-Sham, a jihadist group who fought alongside Islamic State for control of the city of Raqqa. Although the groups have since split, the Syrian city has become an Isil stronghold, in which several Western hostages are believed to have been held.
Re: Who are the fronts and behinds of the ISI(P/S/?)
Posted: 20 Oct 2014 05:41
by UlanBatori
I think there is something else behind this 'finding' that Qatar has been funding terrorists. I think it is mostly antipathy towards Qatar's sponsorship of Al Jazeera, which people increasingly turn to for an alternative to the sewage torrent from CNN and other American 'mainstream media'.
Also, it is to deflect from the real source - the huge US Al-Lie in the region.
If Qatar were really doing it, how tough is it for the US to gently suggest that their natural gas terminals (I think Qatar is mostly about gas, not oil) may be in a terminal stage? Esp. given the need to hike US natural gas prices with all the fracking boom.
Makes no sense at all.
Re: Who are the fronts and behinds of the ISI(P/S/?)
Posted: 20 Oct 2014 05:58
by kenop
UlanBatori wrote:I think there is something else behind this 'finding' that Qatar has been funding terrorists. I think it is mostly antipathy towards Qatar's sponsorship of Al Jazeera, which people increasingly turn to for an alternative to the sewage torrent from CNN and other American 'mainstream media'.
.
Not to forget that Al-J has connections to MI Chheh (I do not have a ref ready at the moment on this). Most likely I read this on BRF some time ago.
There is a huge presence of the same org above in Qatar as I had come to know through a set of people (had brit connection). They were trying to start some business in Qatar and their main point of contact (from Qatari business family that was to be a partner) was an ex-MI chheh operative with experience in S-E Asia and India. May be working in mercenary mode but the presence/influence does exist.
Re: Who are the fronts and behinds of the ISI(P/S/?)
Executing hundreds of prisoners without trial. Arbitrarily arresting villagers along sectarian lines. Hanging bodies from power lines to instill fear in the local community. Gunning down dozens of civilians as they gather to pray.
If this sounds like a checklist for the Islamic State, or IS, try looking across the front line at one of the United States’ key allies on the ground. While the world is focused on the IS terror threat, the US-trained and backed Iraqi government forces and their band of ruthless Shia militia groups have been carrying out atrocities of their own against Sunni civilians, on a scale that in some ways parallels their “terrorist” counterparts.
As incredible as it may seem, the IS-controlled areas are safer [for Sunnis] because if you do not step out of line, by and large they leave the Sunnis alone.
Essentially ISIS is a Shia-vs-Sunni genocide. Saudis ofcourse supporting the Sunnis. Wonder why Iran is so silent in all this. Turkey is probably in the game too, to get rid of the kurds.
Re: Who are the fronts and behinds of the ISI(P/S/?)
Posted: 20 Oct 2014 12:27
by vijaykarthik
^^ Iran is perhaps silent because Hezbollah is already there. QS is already there. Quds is on call if reqd. Besides, US perhaps is discreetly supporting them and the Kurds cant do much unless Iran gives much required support too?
How good is the YPG on the ground? Does anyone have a clear idea. Even when they (peshmerga) took Erbil, it was amply supported by the Iran proxies.
Re: Who are the fronts and behinds of the ISI(P/S/?)
Posted: 27 Oct 2014 07:20
by UlanBatori
So the ISIS takes over vital Iraqi oilfields, US is bombing ISIS oil facilities, Turkey is in turmoil, Syria is in turmoil, why are oil prices tanking under these conditions? Present prediction is that they will go under $80/barrel for Brent Crude. The Middle East is one set of attacks away from being totally in flames, hey? There is big-time manipulation underway.
If oil prices tank, fracking etc become unprofitable. Maybe that will bring down the oversupply of natural gas, and drive up those prices? Qatar would like that.
Maybe someone is selling huge quantities of oil that circumvent the usual channels, and are sold cheap.
Re: Who are the fronts and behinds of the ISI(P/S/?)
Posted: 27 Oct 2014 10:01
by vijaykarthik
OPEC isn't moving. That's the reason why. KSA is putting its face in the famed sands of Mecca and Medina and refusing to increase prices and allowing oil to find its natural price level. They are more keen on mrkt share currently and focusing purely on volumes.
Besides, there is the other aspect too - bring Iran to the dining [decision making] table and accept to a deal and make Russian economy bleed.
In my own evil opinion, its also to irritate Qatar perhaps. Qatars oil price is approx. 68 while KSA was approx. 90 earlier and abt 80 now. So, bringing it closer will attack Qatar volumes a bit perhaps?
Re: Who are the fronts and behinds of the ISI(P/S/?)
Precisely. Something that I have always wondered about. The freaks go after IS, Al-Queda, Jabat Al-Nusra etc etc* and conveniently make them the fall guys and demonise them... interesting but away from the true and original problem. The guys who actually fund them, indoctrinate them (and do everything necessary to ensure that these groups come into being), are rarely if ever shamed. whats more, they are actually applauded for their untiring efforts to work towards peace, dev and what not. Akin to a classic case of self-imposed Geneva conventions (try the spy not the spy boss).
* As it must be obvious from other posts of mine, its not that I am against fighting the IS etc etc of the world. But I still do believe that its just another concoction of a name which houses a motley bunch of armed indoctrinated morons... and its more important to attack the factory...not just the material that comes out of it.
Re: Who are the fronts and behinds of the ISI(P/S/?)
Posted: 29 Oct 2014 16:54
by UlanBatori
analysis from visitng fellow at Brookings
Its precisely what you say in the posts after that. This 'analysis' can be summarized in one character:
As in "sorry, unfortunately, no silver bullet"... yada yada. 13 years after the U R With Us or Aginst Us and the Patriot Act and most of all, after Dronacharya Bredator started prowling the MidEast. This is all Brookings-State onlee.
Between the US, EU and InterPol de l'Inspecteaur Closeau, and the less-publicized agencies, there is no excuse for allowing the ISIS to obtain a penny, or a single AK47, let alone all these tanker-loads of refined oil and whole trainloads of armaments (how many $M is that?) rolling through Turkey in full view.
So the Brookings-State article confirms the only possible answer to the question posed at the start of this thread. Also see Comrade Vlad's recent reference to the USe of 'Islamic terrorists' along with the mention of 'neo-fascists'. That's not a reference to Chechnya - it is a direct reference to ISIS.
Re: Who are the fronts and behinds of the ISI(P/S/?)
Re: Who are the fronts and behinds of the ISI(P/S/?)
Posted: 01 Nov 2014 01:07
by vishvak
It seems that some Peshmarga have finally reached Kobane, after days of obstructions by Turkey who accused them of not paying for facilities etc (without providing any)!
A cartoon about what Turks are doing:
Today Kurds have organized #GlobalDay4Kobane march at many places across the globe.
The list is here link .
Re: Who are the fronts and behinds of the ISI(P/S/?)
The CS Monitor is very much mistaken. ISIS is an idea and there USP is beheading non-Muslims. With all those prison population of one particular group, US is very much at risk of ISIS copycats emerging. All they need is a new wave of Elijah Muhammads.
Holder saw the problem very early on and was kicked out.
Re: Who are the fronts and behinds of the ISI(P/S/?)
Posted: 03 Nov 2014 13:45
by vijaykarthik
^ mmh, what to say. Yes, the IS will generate more copy cats if it hasn't already. But will the IS be a threat to the US currently? My guess is No. Not in near future
Reckon the US security establishment also is reasonably skeptical (which is why they generated a new Khorasan quickly?)
But I still cant understand why the general public and media just don't like anything Shia. Is it that the KSA & UAE writ is so large or is it that there is something more sinister in the background... something that I wonder about lately.
Re: Who are the fronts and behinds of the ISI(P/S/?)
Posted: 03 Nov 2014 22:37
by ramana
Persia is the geopolitical power house of West Asia since ages. Now its under Shia domination.
Hence the old fear of Persians is being transferred to Shias.
Even Saddam Hussein muttered beware of Persians while being led of to gallows.
Re: Who are the fronts and behinds of the ISI(P/S/?)
Posted: 04 Nov 2014 14:54
by vishvak
Apologies if posted earlier.
From liveleak . com Sunni Tribes in Syria And Iraq Giving 'Baiy'a' (Vow of Allegiance) to IS And Its Leader Al-Baghdadi.Part-II
Part two of the same meeting of Sunni tribes with IS representatives in the state of Fourat (Iraq-Syria). (No info abt part 1)
Some of the names of these tribes were:
Al-Wahab, Qahsh'am, Ar-Rous, Al-Houswan, Albou-Izzdein, Albou-'Assaf, Al-'Afadleh, Al-Houweiwat, Albou-Sbie', Al-Hanadah, Tayi, Al-Machahdah, Albou-Rajab, Al-Weldah, Ash-Shibl, Al-Abied, Al-Nasser, Al-Jughayyfah, Add-Damiem, Albou-Shab'an, Al-Marachdah, Al-Meraei, Al-Karablah, Albou-Abied, Albou-Mahil, and others.
Re: Who are the fronts and behinds of the ISI(P/S/?)
Re: Who are the fronts and behinds of the ISI(P/S/?)
Posted: 04 Nov 2014 22:21
by Abhijit
What if the US and other western powers are actively ignoring ISIS with the intention of accelerating a civil war within Islam? It seems apparent that ISIS thinks of Shias as the first enemy, even before the great satan. Then why not let the sunnis and shias have a full go at each other and only when one of them is finished (while the other is grievously injured in an internecine fight) swoop down and finish off this menace once and for all?
Re: Who are the fronts and behinds of the ISI(P/S/?)
Posted: 04 Nov 2014 23:26
by RSoami
^^ Civil war is already underway. The west does not want to give the yahoos territory to comfortably plan terrorist attacks.
The Shias have proved themselves incapable of taking on the Sunnis. At least till now.
Re: Who are the fronts and behinds of the ISI(P/S/?)
Posted: 05 Nov 2014 06:05
by vijaykarthik
I am actually worried that Erdogan is partially right. There is the oil pipeline aspect too. Its likely that US is looking at an independent Kurdish state in there? [I still cant figure if the 2nd qn with a slightly longer timeframe in the project that I am part of is an innocent qn to figure peoples forecasting strategies / better research data or its a more direct / discreet qn from the IA / IC folks to figure what the wisdom of the crowd is]
Very worried. With a Kurdish state and Sykes-Picot broken, some 100 yrs of doped history gets broken. Though I don't care much about that as the agreement by itself is questionable, the precedent it sets is something that in-the-wings prince China will like a lot.
Re: Who are the fronts and behinds of the ISI(P/S/?)
Posted: 07 Nov 2014 00:40
by ramana
Some analyst was quoted by ABC news yesterday that mostof the ISIS leadership was incubated in a prison in occupied Iraq. Sort of G/Bay inmates to incubate TTP.
Re: Who are the fronts and behinds of the ISI(P/S/?)
Posted: 07 Nov 2014 05:42
by vijaykarthik
Yes. That's true. Al-Baghdadi was in the prison along with a lot of the other guys... and he got more indoctrinated during his prison time, not less . Nowadays, a lot of the commanders [the sensible ones] are even questioning the sense behind the prison term if they are getting more indoctrinated and more brazen and a more complete terrorist than earlier.
A few idiots at the top who haven't seen war / can think of strategies, however, NEVER learn though.
Re: Who are the fronts and behinds of the ISI(P/S/?)
Posted: 07 Nov 2014 13:41
by RajeshA
In prisons, indoctrination can happen because the prisoners have their tongues to preach, hearing to hear, fingers to write and eye-sight to read. Governments should think of new measures to stop Islamic indoctrination in prisons.
Re: Who are the fronts and behinds of the ISI(P/S/?)
Posted: 08 Nov 2014 17:50
by abhischekcc
Or it could be that ISIS leadership is mind controlled drones who are doing what is required by the empire.
Re: Who are the fronts and behinds of the ISI(P/S/?)
Posted: 10 Nov 2014 05:32
by Anujan
A Shia scholar explains the theological basis of ISIS
New Delhi: Thirty nine out of forty Indian workers who went missing in Iraq this June have reportedly been killed by the Islamic State militants, claim two Bangladeshi workers whom ABP News spoke exclusively in Kurdistan’s capital Erbil.
The two Bangladeshi nationals working for a construction company in Iraq mentioned about one Indian worker Harjeet Masih who miraculously escaped from the cluthhes of the militants. Harjeet informed Shafi and Hasan that he witnessed the killings of all his Indian co-workers.
ABP News Correspondent Jagwinder Patial who had visited Erbil last week along with spiritual leader Sri Sri Ravi Shankar met these two Bangladeshi workers Shafi Islam and Hasan who gave chilling details about the ordeal they & Indians suffered under the hands of the ISIS.
Sri Sri Ravi Shankar was unsuccessful in getting a peace process initiated with ISIS chief Baghdadi.
Erbil is the place which hasn’t fallen under the hands of the ISIS and is a city where thousands of people from different locations escape into.
Shafi says they were travelling to Mosul from Baghdad and on the way were kidnapped by ISIS militants on June 11.
The entire workers comprised of 51 Bangladeshis and 40 Indian workers which included mostly citizens from Punjab and some from Kolkata. The Indians comprised of 2 old aged men while the rest were relatively young.
The masked militants holding pistols & Qurans in their hands segregated the workers from both the companies in two groups. After scrutinizing the Bangladeshis and knowing about their faith, militants told them that they would be taken to Erbil soon. While the Indians were kept in a different who sensed they too would be released.
Their mobiles and passports were all confiscated by the militants. All of them were given just one roti at 10 am during the entire day.
However, Harjeet told Shafi that on June 15 four, they had taken all the 40 Indians along with him to a hilly terrain where all of them were shot. Harjeet too suffered two bullet injuries but acted as if he was dead. To confirm even Harjeet was dead, he was kicked by them but since they didn’t observe any movement in his body made them conclude that he had perished too.
The terrifying narration by Shafi & Islam made us constantly ask them that despite being shot at how did Harjeet manage to escape? Islam said the bullets must have just brushed him and not penetrated deep inside.
Shafi said that the location where Indians were shot dead and where the Bangladeshi workers were confined to was only 6 kms. Harjeet reached at that location named Al Jamia by ISIS gunmen who did not suspect of what he has gone through.
He told ISIS brigade dropped him there as he lied to them that he was a Bangladeshi named Ali. Very successfully he dodged the militants by faking his identity.
“Harjeet was a dark man, 5.5 feet tall & had little beard. He used to speak to the militants in English, he knew little Arabic,” Shaif described the Indian’s appearance.
“He was petrified & crying. We made sure then that his identity would not be revealed & was taken to a different building so that no one doubts him. Harjeet was made to read namaz with us,” Shafi claimed.
“On the way to Erbil, we were checked by Iraqi military. We had informed our embassy. Harjeet was with us. They took our photos and were taken to Erbil in our office vehicle,” says Hasan.
However, Harjeet is still untraceable but is in touch with his mother. Shafi says, “he spoke to India embassy and informed about the killings. He is likely to be in Erbil”
"Harjeet told me not to tell anyone about his conversation with me," Shinder Masih, Harjeet's mother to ABP News.
ABP News spoke to his brother Robin Masih in Kala Afghana village in Punjab's Gurdaspur district who said the last time he had a conversation with him on phone was in August.
Shafi had recognized a lot of pictures of Indians we had carried. He could identify Nand Lal, Harish and Tiwari.
External Affairs Ministry officials have told ABP News that they will verify claims of the Bangladeshi workers.
Re: Who are the fronts and behinds of the ISI(P/S/?)
Posted: 27 Nov 2014 21:28
by vishvak
This is a tragedy. The Indian govt needs to go about breaking back of ISIS barbarians somehow. They released some kidnapped Indians but not others makes no sense except that the religion excuse. Something like getting permission to fly from Iran airfields and bombing them to smithereens, or carry out regular special ops as per schedules as some SAS black ops are doing.
Re: Who are the fronts and behinds of the ISI(P/S/?)
Posted: 28 Nov 2014 04:27
by ramana
So where is Harjeet Masih who told the news? Is that last name a real one? is he a Christian? I have seen that last name among Pakis.
Re: Who are the fronts and behinds of the ISI(P/S/?)
