India-Australia News and Discussion

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 08 Jan 2010 15:17

The blinkered head-in-the-mud govt. of Rudd is indulging in the most extreme contortions trying and failing miserably to convince India and the globe that the hate crimes against India students are not racial crimes.All it required was for the Oz govt. to condemn the crimes and use the word "racial attacks" in doing so.We know how difficult it is for any govt. to stop racial extermism and India has had its own share of communal and caste violence in the past,which we in India admit and acknowledge as reprehensible,condemnable and attempt to stamp out such incidnts.But this govt. of Oz is so steeped in its white supremacist mentality that despite the huge number of such attacks,there has been no clear directive to the Oz police that these crimes are racist and are merely the handiwork of "bad boys at play".

I urge members to view the superb award winning film "Romper Stomper" with Russel Crowe in the lead role,which was made some time ago,depicting racial neo-Nazi gangs in Oz whose chief victims were Mongoloid Asians.It indicates that such racism is deep within the Oz psyche and has been prevalent for decades.The fact that Indians are now the victims is because there is great jealousy in Oz of "India rising",which we saw exhibited in he aftermath of P-2.The condemnation of India from Oz was sickiening and hypocritical considering the fact that Oz gleefully sends its troops anywhere in the world to fight as mercenary forces to kill non-whites.In recent years,whenever defence matters are discussed in Oz,the reson given for increased defence spending for Oz is the threat from dictatorial China and democratic India! The "Indian threat" is now being touted as one of the main reasons why Oz should build a fleet of new subs,perhaps even nuclear subs,when it cannot even operate one single sub of the homebuilt Collins class and is offering sub chefs a salary equivalent to that of an admiral! I recently met an Oz maritime expert who bemoaned the sad state of affairs in Oz where there was a massive shortfall of skilled labour where Indians are amongst the most loyal of skilled labour being used to run the country!

If the Govt. and people of Oz dislike Indians so much,why don't they ban Indian students and just ask all Indians to leave instead of murdering our youngsters ? Who the F**k wants to visit,study or migrate to a country that is so full of racism?

Haresh · Post by **Haresh** » 08 Jan 2010 15:24

Sriman,

You are right the Daily "Hate" is a rag, they were pro Hitler/Nazi before WW2.

Here is another article from a pro pak/islamist rag, the guardian
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... nts-murder

Interesting comments, especially with regards to the Lebanese, who are regarded as most as ignorant, islamist thugs.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 08 Jan 2010 15:55

Thats a seriously effective cartoon! Nice one, Mr. Prasad.

anuj · Post by **anuj** » 08 Jan 2010 16:10

Philip wrote:In recent years,whenever defence matters are discussed in Oz,the reson given for increased defence spending for Oz is the threat from dictatorial China and democratic India! The "Indian threat" is now being touted as one of the main reasons why Oz should build a fleet of new subs,perhaps even nuclear subs

Nicely pinned it. I've too read about all these aus defense expenditures lately. They have openly and repeatedly cited "china" and "india" as the reason. I don't think they have figured out *who there enemies are* but they sure do include india in that list.

Arihant · Post by **Arihant** » 08 Jan 2010 16:58

harbans wrote:
SwamyG wrote:
Who benefits the most if the Indian students enrollment drop in Australia?

Indian students
No China.

If we don't send people, Chinese students and Paki's will fill the place up. We must continue sending our people. If not 50 years hence, we will regret it badly. UK is filed with a massive Paki constituency because the Brits in their short sightedness, refused to distinguish Indian ethics from Pakis and BDs. Now they formulate policy against India and spew hatred to keep their constituencies intact.

Harbans-ji makes a very good point. If we stop sending our people to Australia, our not-so-friendly neighbours to the east will fill up the place pretty quickly. As it is, they seem to be present in Australia in very large numbers, and have now installed a great Sinophile in the person of Kevin Rudd as Prime Minister. They are buying up mining businesses wherever possible. Indians shopping for resources are shut out.

The sizeable monies being pumped by our students into Australia, as well as the $15b worth that Australia sells to India every year, are significant sources of leverage, to be used judiciously.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 08 Jan 2010 17:36

^^^
After India, China sends most number of students to Australia. The Chinese enrollment marginally increased (I would say very insignificantly) while the Indian enrollment dropped. Vietnam's percentage rose significantly.

Africa and Australia will be the battlefields in the cold-war between China and India.

a_kumar · Post by **a_kumar** » 08 Jan 2010 21:15

anuj wrote:How the indian media is playing the aussies is sad but remember, the australian tv channels smell of indian caste system, communal-ism etc etc. This is a great way to make them taste there own medicine.

Look at how the ostritch media and govt is squirming.. Mark this moment. It is almost the coming of age moment for India (and media) with respect to the moral-arbiters of the world;West. Next in line will be UK, the whole "why donate money to ISRO" complex is a fascinating watch.

I am just hoping Govt. in Oz won't issue a fatwa against R Prasad !!

chanakyaa · Post by **chanakyaa** » 08 Jan 2010 21:37

SwamyG wrote:^^^
After India, China sends most number of students to Australia. The Chinese enrollment marginally increased (I would say very insignificantly) while the Indian enrollment dropped. Vietnam's percentage rose significantly.

Africa and Australia will be the battlefields in the cold-war between China and India.

You hit the nail in the right spot on this one. In fact, there will not be any major conflict around the world for next 50 years. But the cold war has already begun. AND ITS ABOUT NATURAL RESOURCES (Oil, gold, copper, nat. gas, timber, food etc.). And India (GoI) has made zero progress. PRC is doing a spectacular job in Africa and of course Oz love affair with PRC is well known. There relationship is really love/hate relationship. Love for trade and hate for the rise of PRC which every gora country around the globe hates. The tragedy is that in spite of our long history in the region we, tragically, have made little progress.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 08 Jan 2010 23:19

^^^
I would not say zero-progress, India is trying and is doing things in Africa. But not in the scale of China. A good news site to follow is: http://allafrica.com/, I periodically go there and search for India related content. Every now and then India does pop up in the news.

Dhani · Post by **Dhani** » 09 Jan 2010 06:11

I am a student at an Australian university, and I am surprised no one has actually told the truth so far. There is a lot of gang violence, by southeast asian gangs, who do not like Indian students, from small groups of Pakistanis who are still in an old mindset, and hate Indians, and from the native australian Aboriginals, who do not like darker skinned people, other than themselves. While back home everyone is blaming the Australians, nothing will get fixed! It is not that the white Australians are racist, they are not. They just can not grasp the concept of racial violence. They don't understand why a Vietnamese gang, would rape and bash a helpless girl from India. It is not because they find it fun, it is because they hate Indian people. I hope this plea does not fall on deaf ears, I am scared for my life quite a lot of the time. I do not go out after dark, and there are a lot of areas I do not enter, even in the daylight.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 09 Jan 2010 06:44

I dont get, if hating a particular kind of people isnt racist, then what do you call?

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 09 Jan 2010 06:50

And I am a polar bear from antartica visiting my third cousin, the Emperor Penguin..... Wait, is that you, Hon Ambassador Varghese? If so, sukham thannieey saarey?

I have a lot of Hmong gangs in my neighbourhood of Ross Ice shelf. But guess what? they dont care to hurt me, because I am a poor Indian student and I am no fun, Polar bear that I am. However, Ricky Ponting pisses on my shoes regularly, while playing right here in India. Poor Ricky, he cannot "grasp the concept" of not peeing on other's feet. Especially in the middle of a game in another country. And we all saw on TV, all those yeevil hot pants wearing Aborigines egging him on with pom-poms and high kicks.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 09 Jan 2010 07:10

Dhani wrote:I am a student at an Australian university, and I am surprised no one has actually told the truth so far. There is a lot of gang violence, by southeast asian gangs, who do not like Indian students, from small groups of Pakistanis who are still in an old mindset, and hate Indians, and from the native australian Aboriginals, who do not like darker skinned people, other than themselves. While back home everyone is blaming the Australians, nothing will get fixed! It is not that the white Australians are racist, they are not. They just can not grasp the concept of racial violence. They don't understand why a Vietnamese gang, would rape and bash a helpless girl from India. It is not because they find it fun, it is because they hate Indian people. I hope this plea does not fall on deaf ears, I am scared for my life quite a lot of the time. I do not go out after dark, and there are a lot of areas I do not enter, even in the daylight.

Dhani - if you look at it from the viewpoint of an Indian sitting in India , think what Australians would feel if several Australian men and women were hurt or murdered in Indian cities and the Indian government explained that these people were being murdered by Russian workers in India and that we Indians just cannot understand how white Russians might want to kill a white Australian, and that since brown Indians are not killing the Aussies, the accusations are false.

if an Indian gets hurt in Australia nobody in India is interested whether he was hurt with a knife or a gun or the skin color of the assailant. If the Australian government won't take action the government is being callous and perhaps racist and is trying to divert the issue by making lame excuses. If those Vietnamese and other assailants are Australian citizens then the Aussie government cannot hide behind the excuse that they do not understand the concept of racial violence.

And I am sorry I have to say this. If the assailants are unknown they could just as well have been white Australians. It sounds like Pakistan to say "He could not have been a @@@. A @@@ would never commit murder"

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 09 Jan 2010 07:13

Dhani wrote: It is not that the white Australians are racist, they are not. They just can not grasp the concept of racial violence.

vina · Post by **vina** » 09 Jan 2010 08:02

I am a student at an Australian university, and I am surprised no one has actually told the truth so far

Yeah right. I am Santa Claus!

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 09 Jan 2010 08:36

New one
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/na ... 5817604267

Attackers set Indian man on fire From: AAP January 09, 2010 1:10PM Increase Text SizeDecrease Text SizePrintEmail Share
Add to DiggAdd to del.icio.usAdd to FacebookAdd to KwoffAdd to MyspaceAdd to NewsvineWhat are these?A 29-year-old Melbourne man, believed to be of Indian origin, is in a stable condition in hospital after he was allegedly attacked by four men and set on fire.
The ABC online reported that the man is of Indian origin but said police do not know whether he is an Australian citizen and they are not sure why he was targeted.

The attack on the 29-year-old Indian man comes a week after 21-year-old Indian man Nitin Garg was stabbed to death on his way to work in West Footscray.
Police were told the 29-year-old man and his wife left a dinner party in Essendon, in the city's northwest, between 1.30am and 2am on Saturday and drove to their nearby home in Grice Crescent.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 09 Jan 2010 08:42

Jarita send me an e-mail at
ramana_56 yahoo com

Thanks, ramana

Sumeet · Post by **Sumeet** » 09 Jan 2010 09:21

Rony, Vina, Shiv,

Check article below. May be Aussies cannot understand what is racism .... see bolded part.

Fast food giant KFC pulls Australian ad over US racism complaints

CANBERRA: Fast food giant KFC has pulled an Australian television advertisement after it was branded racist in the United
states.

The ad depicts a white Australian cricket fan subduing boisterous black West Indian fans by sharing his fried chicken.

``Need a tip when you're stuck in an awkward situation?'' the Australian asks. ``Too easy,'' he adds after the West Indian supporters surrounding him give up their celebrating to eat his KFC.

The spot, which foreshadows a much-anticipated clash between the two fiercely competitive cricketing nations, ran for three weeks without raising a ripple of complaint in Australia.

But when the ad spread via the Internet to the United States, some complained it played on a derogatory stereotype of black Americans. Minstrel shows, which portrayed demeaning caricatures of blacks in the 19th and early 20th century, often showed them eating fried chicken.

There is no such association in Australia. ``These people, they're so unruly and uncivilized and so rowdy, jumping up and down,'' US radio announcer Ana Kasparian said in her criticism. ``They just can't sit down unless you give them some ... fried chicken.''

KFC, which is a sponsor of cricket in Australia, said in a statement Thursday the ad was meant to be ``tongue-in-cheek.''

``We have been made aware that a KFC commercial being shown on Australian television has apparently caused offense, particularly in the United States, after a copy of the commercial was reproduced online without KFC's permission,'' the Louisville, Kentucky-based company said.

``While we believe this lighthearted commercial has been well understood by Australian cricket fans, to avoid the possibility of any further offense being caused by the advertisement either here or online overseas, KFC will cease running the commercial immediately,'' it added.

The controversy over the ad puzzled many Australians. On Friday, the Australian newspaper The Age posted a survey online asking if the ad was racist. Of the more than 6,600 votes, 86 percent selected ``no.''

And on Saturday, columnist Rebecca Weisser of the national newspaper The Australian penned a tongue-in-cheek piece mocking the suggestion that the ad proves Australia is a racist country.

``Australians, clearly, are just too pig ignorant to realize just how offensive was this ad,'' she wrote. ``A full 85 percent of them couldn't see what was wrong with it and claimed it was all a misunderstanding, that Americans don't understand anything about West Indians or cricket.''

Weisser pointed to a comment posted on the online video by a user named ``TrueUSMarine'' who wrote that all Australians are ``morons'' if they can't understand why the ad is considered racist.

``No sign of racism there,'' Weisser wrote.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 09 Jan 2010 09:36

^ The ad.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 09 Jan 2010 09:52

Sumeet wrote:Rony, Vina, Shiv,

Check article below. May be Aussies cannot understand what is racism .... see bolded part.

Fast food giant KFC pulls Australian ad over US racism complaints

Well I must admit that I was unable to see anything racist in that ad despite adding a layer of paranoia - so in this particular case I am not surprised by what the Aussies feel. The point is that even if Vietnamese or Martians are attacking Indians, as long as it is in Australia it is still the responsibility of the govt to ensure their safety. The "racist" interpretation is a diversion from the main issue.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 09 Jan 2010 10:08

^Shiv saar, A White guy giving out Chicken (or water melon) to black folk would make a lot of people uncomfortable in US.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 09 Jan 2010 10:15

I can't believe that ad. Can you imagine the reaction?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 09 Jan 2010 11:00

pgbhat wrote:^Shiv saar, A White guy giving out Chicken (or water melon) to black folk would make a lot of people uncomfortable in US.

Why?

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 09 Jan 2010 11:09

Shiv saar, may be this helps.
http://www.authentichistory.com/diversi ... index.html

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 09 Jan 2010 11:11

pgbhat wrote:Shiv saar, may be this helps.
http://www.authentichistory.com/diversi ... index.html

OK Thanks

a_kumar · Post by **a_kumar** » 09 Jan 2010 11:19

Indian man attacked and set alight in Melbourne, Jan 09, 2010

The 29-year-old Indian was returning home from a dinner party with his wife when he set up by a gang of men, who poured fluid over him and then set him alight.

He is now in a Melbourne hospital, where his condition has been described as serious, suffering from burns to 15% of his body.

Police say they are not sure why the man was targeted and whether it was a racially-motivated attack - but it is bound to increase the sense of outrage in India, where there's been an angry reaction to the murder last weekend of Nitin Garg.

Somehow it seems like media is pushing below incident under the carpet.. They only talk about Garg. (As I take his name, it pains me to think about what the family back home would be going through).

Burnt roadside body was Indian national

Police have confirmed that a partially burnt body that was found by a road in southern New South Wales last week was that of an Indian national.
.....
Police say the body is yet to be formally identified, but is believed to be that of a 25-year-old man.

Officers are in touch with the man's family in India and the Indian Consulate to help with the identification.

arun · Post by **arun** » 09 Jan 2010 11:25

anuj wrote:

"Cartoons in Australia are normally done by people who are either clever or witty and this one's neither," he told reporters in Melbourne today.
Opening up a white man is very hard and they've always proved a tough nut to crack. Glad to see that image has made them candid.

Kudo's for Mail Today!!!

Meanwhile Mail Today is not backing down over Australia’s hysterical reaction over the Ku Klux Klan Cartoon:

India paper defends KKK cartoon

BRIDIE SMITH, JONATHAN PEARLMAN AND DYLAN WELCH

January 9, 2010 ....................

''We perceive the Melbourne police to be a racist organisation simply because it seems it is not acting fast enough, or seriously enough, on the attacks on Indian students,'' said Bharat Bhushan, editor of the Mail Today newspaper. ......................

Mr Bhushan said that according to Australian police statistics, Indian students represented one in every 1000 people in Melbourne yet were the target of one in 20 attacks.

''Once racist attacks on Indians stop, nobody is going to call them [Australians] racist,'' he said.

The cartoonist, R. Prasad, said he had drawn inspiration from the ''injustice'' stemming from Australia's refusal to accept the weekend murder as ''a race attack''.

He said the attitude of Australian authorities ''amounted to acceptance of racism or authorising similar future crimes as mere opportunistic violence''.

''How best to conceptualise this injustice than stamping the badge of authority on the worst possible image of global racism?'' he said. ''The cloak of the Ku Klux Klan is a globally known and recognised cultural signifier that represents racism. It also symbolises violence in the name of race or colour.'' ..........................

The Age

a_kumar · Post by **a_kumar** » 09 Jan 2010 12:21

For all the crap the India got on the castes, R Prasad seems to have hit a raw nerve.

A lot of people in India who have no clue what KKK is are beginning to ask more questions.

anuj · Post by **anuj** » 09 Jan 2010 12:39

*Dhani* views are extreme while *hnair* thinks it's mediocre. I think i've read hnair talk about australia before in this thread and that he has lived there. Not sure it was him.

We need to pin down the groups which are hostile to indians in that country. Red necks will be red necks and they exist in every country. I do not understand the fun white kids get out of beating homeless people and giving the immigrants a bad time. That sort of sh!t doesn't happen in india and if they expect us to equate that sort of behaviour as mediocre or *normal-white-culture* then they obviously have there head up there arse.

But still, for clarity, hostility from whites and hostility from other immigrants needs to be separated and studied. I've been reading some aussie forums and they do not doubt racism in the attacks but they say it is probably from red neck aussies or nazi wannabe's and that they pick on everything that is weak. I think our neighbours - BDi's, pakis, vietnamese and lebanese have been talking to the white's and they haven't been saying good things about us. That's probably why aussie's on various boards think it is the other asians who are doing this.

Stan_Savljevic · Post by **Stan_Savljevic** » 09 Jan 2010 13:03

anuj wrote: We need to pin down the groups which are hostile to indians in that country.

What exactly do you mean by pin down groups? When a party such as One Nation Party can get as many votes as it did, then there is no point whining when others call you racist. The standard defence for Pauline Hanson & co is that their vote-share has gone down, ergo assies are no racist society. Problem is, the agenda of Pauline Hanson has become more mainstream and many MPs across the spectrum have usurped her, and thus the fall in her vote-share.
http://www.ozvisa.com/news/2006_08_08/a ... debate.htm

This does not include any nonsense about immigrants who arrive for asylum. Have you read about the way these guys here treat asylum seekers? Worse than criminals. There was a boat-load of Sri Lankan Tamils who were stranded in mid-sea between Indonesia and Sri Lanka last month. Admitted, not all SL Tamils are saints, the incident showed the standard operating policy of immigration agents. "They will dump food on you, and say go away. Else, they will truck the boat to a far-off location and ensure that it is lost from view." This is exactly how this asylum business has been happening for ages, now the SOP is clear. The only assie defence is at least they are not Burman-like, tying the hands and legs of Rohingya Muslims or the Pattani and Narathiwad Muslims and dump those folks in the mid-ocean without food or water. But if you are a democrazy and claim too many damn things about how great you are, welcome to criticism land. If the assies want to be treated like Than Shwe or Kim Jong-Il, well, they can continue doing everything they are doing now.

The much exalted sense of unfair criticism is a nice slap on assie face. It gets their goats, just like in the US. That is why CAIR and NAACP, etc., however ridiculous they often are in their stands are "nice" watchdogs. Same for NHRC in India. When maaki happened, "it's not crikkit," was good nuff to invoke some sense from a few such as Roebuck & co. R Prasad's cartoon is a similar response to this charade called policing in Victoria. Police, in general, are callous buncha pr1cks. The folk in Melbourne are poorly paid, come from the same general population that also feeds these idiots, and on top of it, get too callused watching different forms of violence that makes them insensitive to the disproportionate number of Indians getting attacked.

Shiv: that chicken ad and reactions to it is what I call "one buncha racists calling another buncha racists, 'racists'." Admitted humans are in general racists, but some are more racist than others. The assies of today dont recognize it to a large measure due to their cuckoo-dom of living in an isolated corner of the world. The white amrikans overwhelmingly understand it and go nuts to ensure they dont step on too many toes, but as such, pr1cks ll exist as long as an asteroid will wipe out humans.

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 09 Jan 2010 15:44

shiv wrote:
pgbhat wrote:^Shiv saar, A White guy giving out Chicken (or water melon) to black folk would make a lot of people uncomfortable in US.
Why?

There are cultural issues at work here. In the US, this would be racism, but not necessarily have the same connotation in other parts of the world. As you can see, the good Doc doesn't know what the issue is at all, because eating a water melon has no racist connotation at all in India. As a matter of fact I was unaware of this myself, because a few years ago I read about a controversy about some physics teacher posing a question in a test involving Condoleeza Rice dropping a watermelon from the top of the White House and calculating its height. When I heard about this, I was very puzzled about why this was supposed to be controversial -- it seemed to be a perfectly valid question about acceleration of bodies and the laws of motion. Frankly I think drop tests involving fruit are always funny. I asked an African American co-worker of mine if the controversy was about reducing the dignity of the White House by conducting drop tests and would it would have made a difference if the question was worded that she dropped the watermelon off the top of the Empire State Building for instance. He laughed at my bewilderment and had to explain what the issue at hand was.

As a matter of fact, this brings up the whole monkey/maaki episode from a few years ago. I remember reading comments from several Indian readers wondering exactly what the problem with calling Andrew Symonds a monkey was. Several of the comments noted that Indians call each other "monkey", "donkey" etc. all the time with no controversy.

P.S. Doc, love your Location.

symontk · Post by **symontk** » 09 Jan 2010 18:19

India should seriously escalate the issue to sporting ties between the countries so that Australians are stopped from playing in India and later in other countries similar to treatment given to South Africa in the past

That means they should be made understood that their sport persons will not be able to play in the events like Commonwealth and World cup cricket planned in India

I think Australia even now doesnt understand the seriousness of the issue. We need to seriously drill the message into their dumb heads.

The "burning" thing is really getting out of everyone's hand it seems

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 09 Jan 2010 20:49

ArmenT wrote:
pgbhat wrote:^Shiv saar, A White guy giving out Chicken (or water melon) to black folk would make a lot of people uncomfortable in US.

There are cultural issues at work here. In the US, this would be racism, but not necessarily have the same connotation in other parts of the world.

Absolutely. "Racism" always has two sides - one is the side accused of being racist and the other is the supposed victim. I have a second YouTube avatar in which I have posted a "racist nursery Rhyme" called "Ten Little Nigger Boys". The comments it attracts are interesting. Mostly its LOL, but some are shocked. For Indians its a mixed bag. We get our inputs from the West. For example on this forum the word for Chinese - "Chink" is frowned upon. But in India it does not carry a racist connotation.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 09 Jan 2010 20:55

For example on this forum the word for Chinese - "Chink" is frowned upon. But in India it does not carry a racist connotation.

it most assuredly does. chink or chinki is a racist term used by some idiotic Indians towards people from NE. that is the primary reason why it is banned here.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 09 Jan 2010 21:17

symontk wrote:India should seriously escalate the issue to sporting ties between the countries so that Australians are stopped from playing in India and later in other countries similar to treatment given to South Africa in the past

That means they should be made understood that their sport persons will not be able to play in the events like Commonwealth and World cup cricket planned in India

I think Australia even now doesnt understand the seriousness of the issue. We need to seriously drill the message into their dumb heads.

One of the Indian CEO of a top company told me that during a large meeting with head of other countries the Australian started making fun after Aussies defeated India in the World Cup. The Indian CEO ignored it.
This is the level of the Aussies elite in a professional setting.

Karan Dixit · Post by **Karan Dixit** » 10 Jan 2010 06:58

The former British colony, which was primarily used as a `penal settlement’ by the Britishers- who shipped their convicts to the nation from 1788 to 1840 – encouraged a `white-only’ immigration policy for as long as the 1970s, but thereafter, it acknowledged its existence as a multi-cultural and multi-racial country where all were welcome.
But, is it possible that not all its residents may be willing to adhere to this philosophy?

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city ... 429136.cms

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Days after the Australian authorities reportedly accused India of whipping up hysteria over attacks on students, the Indian government asked the media to exercise 'utmost restraint in reporting on these sensitive issues, as it could aggravate the situation and could have a bearing on our bilateral relations with Australia'.

http://www.calcuttanews.net/story/586581

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Something has seriously gone wrong with Australian society. Any reasonable person who watches the KFC video can see the racism in it except the Australians. Every other day Indians are being singled out for brutal uncivilized attack and all they can say is that Indians are whipping up hysteria. A spade is a spade. Australians are racist except for a very small minority.

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 10 Jan 2010 07:12

The Indian CEO should have had a repartee.

what was he thinking??

I am not a CEO but when Australian mD brings up something I have something to throwback at him. Now I have a pretty good idea of Australian vulnerabilities but still.

Karan Dixit · Post by **Karan Dixit** » 10 Jan 2010 07:25

Australia does not allow gun permit for self defense. But they do allow it for hunting, target practice, collection, pest control, etc. It is legal to use a licensed gun for self defense. So, Indian students staying in Australia should consider this option or any other alternate option. In U.S. a legal alien can carry a firearm. There are some US states that require gun registration and you cannot carry loaded gun there. But in majority of US states you can carry a loaded gun as long as it is not concealed. Either Assie police should protect the students or let the students defend themselves. A gun permit (as applies to sportsmen) should be part of visa for Indian students in Australia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Australia

asprinzl · Post by **asprinzl** » 10 Jan 2010 08:37

This KFC add in Oz which is supposed to have caused a minor uproar which did not have a single decibel of echo in the Black America (I mean Harlem) where I live, which I didn't hear at all till I saw it here BRF...dang...what is that again?

One one hand, the blacks in general don't pay much attention to it except for the race merchants like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. These noise making is the only ways for these to generate donations and lead a life of not working a real job.

On the other hand, the extreme white liberals (ala the more Catholic than the Pope kind), are half second too quick to point out the racial tone in anything. Remember the Russel Peters show where he mentions just that. When he brings in ethnic stuffs, the ethnic group that he is picking on is actually enjoying the joke but the white liberal tries their best to convince the particular ethnic group that Russel's joke is racist.

Anyways...the KFC saga goes to show the cultural and media dominance of the USA. Every other English language media and cultural productions from England, Australia, New Zealand or Canada....are all coat-tail riders of American media.
Avram Sprinzl

Kakkaji · Post by **Kakkaji** » 10 Jan 2010 09:14

Swapan Dasgupta's take in the dailypioneer.com. Posting in full:

Of cooks, barbers and Australians

Swapan Dasgupta

For an emerging international player, the Ministry of External Affairs should have an iconic status. In the past weeks, the MEA has, unfortunately, acquired an image of frivolity with its junior Minister constantly getting into scrapes over his Twitter-ing ways and the senior Minister being mocked for being more preoccupied with his appearance than his charge. The perceptions may well be unfair but they have contributed to an overall feeling that South Block could do with an injection of gravitas.

There are times, however, when flippancy may serve an unwitting purpose. Last week, SM Krishna made a telling comment on Australia’s education industry and what he thought was Indian gullibility: “One can understand students going there (Australia) at the university level, at the IIT level or at the level of some other institution of excellence. When I went there, I was shocked to see so many students in courses they don’t need to go to Australia for — such as learning hair-styling or doing facials.”

Krishna needs to be complimented on his belated discovery that the 66,000 Indians who went to Australia last year on student visas aren’t exactly interested in rocket science and that they are unlikely to be short-listed in future for the Nobel Prize. Australia has cleverly used its education industry for two strategic ends. First, to earn itself a whopping Au$ 15 billion, of which the largest share comes from India, each year; and, second, to use bucket shops (masquerading as institutes of ‘higher education’) as a primary point of immigration. The Minister would have been surprised to learn that hair-styling, which he ironically looks down on, and commercial cookery were two of the recognised vocations for converting student visas into residence permits. Australians, it would seem, were short of barbers (or hair stylists if you prefer) and cooks (or chefs if you so like) and were glad to facilitate their entry into the country. The country had the additional satisfaction of knowing that the bulk of these preferred immigrants have paid for the privilege of meeting the manpower shortage.

Australia must be congratulated for evolving a unique, revenue-generating immigration model. It is qualitatively different from that of the US which doles out generous scholarships to the best and the brightest students from India and allures them into the American dream. The US has believed that a particular type of immigrant enhances the creative and competitive thrust of its economy; Australia has used education to cope with basic labour shortages — and not merely in hair-dressing saloons and restaurants. What has made Australia attractive to India’s less academically-inclined students is the fact that studies are at a serious discount. The students pay a whopping fee to an institute and then devote themselves to earning money driving taxis or working as shop attendants in retail establishments, particularly those that are open late into the night. Australian universities, an unnamed academic is quoted in the Sydney Morning Herald, “used to be a place of learning; now they are a place of earning.”

I don’t know why Australia persists with the fiction of issuing student visas: These are short-term work visas with a steep entry fee.

This is not to mention that all Australian education is an eye-wash. There are well-regarded universities in the country, maybe even in Melbourne too. The question is: How many of the one lakh plus Indian students are enrolled in them?

It is pertinent to point out the grim reality of what passes for education, particularly in a city such as Melbourne, to disabuse ourselves of the notion that Indian ‘students’ are being targeted by Australians. It is not a town versus gown clash that has made Indians the favourite whipping boys of every disgruntled lout emerging from a pub. Those who are being targeted are Indian workers, the reserve army of potential immigrants.

This doesn’t make the attacks any less heinous. If Australians are repelled by the growth of Indian ghettos in the suburbs of Melbourne and disgusted by the curry smells and Hindi film songs, they must realise that it is a problem of their own creation. It is they who wanted cheap labour and there is a social price to be paid for this luxury.

There is a social problem that is affecting Melbourne and whether Australia likes it or not, it has a strong racial dimension. The crime statistics suggest that Indians are 2.5 times more vulnerable to attacks than others in Melbourne, and yet Australian authorities pretend that crime is colour-blind. The argument is patently disingenuous.

Australia won’t lose brownie points if it honestly admits that the State of Victoria has a serious problem of race-related crimes. It is not going to take away from the fact that the country has travelled a long way from the ‘Whites only’ immigration policy it pursued until the 1960s. Nor will India question the right of Australia to cut down student visas in future because MEA has already recognised that most of the courses aren’t worth spending hard-earned money on. But Australia cannot expect India to sit by idly as its citizens are set upon by goons and harassed and even killed.

The Ku Klux Klan analogy of an Indian tabloid may be an exaggeration (and it certainly wasn’t very funny) but the response to Indian shrillness is not stone-faced Australian denial. Nor does it lie in shrill Australian indignation over the sheer effrontery of India calling someone else racist.

The point which Australia has recognised insufficiently, and which Indians don’t seem to have recognised at all, is that India means something quite different to what it meant 30 years ago. If the race attacks don’t cease, it would be worth the MEA’s while to make the travel advisory more stringent and, as a final resort, advise the Reserve Bank of India to stop all fresh money remittances to Australia for ‘education’ purposes.