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. . . Pakistani intelligence agencies are preparing a dossier linking the Indian spy agency, RAW, with the prevailing militancy in the tribal areas.
Guests at New Delhi’s tony Taj Palace Hotel who come across army officers in their smart olive greens trooping through the foyer need have no apprehensions of a security alert. The army officers are more likely to be fellow-guests. An agreement between the Indian Army and Taj Hotels provides rooms at sharply reduced rates to mid-rung and senior army officers.
There is one Paki reporter on CNN. During the round the clock coverage of 26/11, this slime ball was regurgitating ISI propaganda, and throughout, he was spinning the trajedy to TSP benefit, repeatedly emphasizing that there is no 'evidence' of Paki involvement and India always blames TSP without any evidence. He and the other moutpiece Zain Vergee were even suggesting involvement of "Hindu extremists". Thus, its only a matter of time that USA's mouthpieces, CNN. Fox, BBC etc; will repeat the lie, "India accuses Pakis of 26/11 involvement, Pakis deny the charge, and they accuse India of fomenting terror in TSP". Its the equal equal that TSP is shooting for.Ajatshatru wrote:Same old 'so what if my shirt is torn, your fly is open' stategy by TSP.. . . Pakistani intelligence agencies are preparing a dossier linking the Indian spy agency, RAW, with the prevailing militancy in the tribal areas.
arun wrote:Excerpted portion restricted to Pakistan’s investigation of the Mumbai terrorist attack and treatment of Lashkar-e-Toiba terrorists implicated in the attack:
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Monday, September 07, 2009
10:22 Mecca time, 07:22 GMT
In an interview with Al Jazeera's Hamish Macdonald, P Chidambaram, India's minister of home affairs, says Pakistan is "deliberately" stifling the investigation into the attack on Mumbai in November last year.
Chidambaram said Pakistan was failing to follow up on the evidence provided to it by India linking the leader of the Lashkar-e-Taiba organisation with those who carried out the attacks.
During the interview, the minister produced documents detailing names, times and locations of alleged meetings involving Hafeez Sayeed, the Lashkar-e-Taiba chief, and the attackers. Pakistan has repeatedly refused to re-arrest Sayeed because it says India has failed to produce convincing evidence.
Dissatisfaction with Pakistani investigations
Al Jazeera: So you have made it very clear that you are not satisfied with the response [from] Pakistan … to chasing down those responsible for plotting the Mumbai attacks. Why are you not satisfied?
P Chidambaram: Because they are not arresting the perpetrators of the Mumbai attacks. They are still on Pakistan soil. We know their names. We have shared their names with them. They are not investigating the case. The trial has not opened yet. It will be a year on the 26th of November. Therefore, we are thoroughly, totally dissatisfied with the Pakistani response.
Do you believe that they are deliberately holding up the investigation?
Yes. Regrettably that is the answer, but yes.
So the Pakistani government, the Pakistani authorities, let's be clear about this, are deliberately stifling the investigation into the Mumbai attacks?
Yes.
Five individuals, militants, arrested in Pakistan, went before a court in Rawalpindi last weekend. Why is that not enough?
Where is the trial? Where is the charge sheet? When is a trial starting? When is the first witness being examined?
Implicating Lashkar-e-Taiba
You've handed over dossiers to the Pakistanis which you say include cogent and convincing evidence that links Lashkar-e-Taiba chief Hafeez Sayeed to the Mumbai attacks. What is that evidence then?
Well firstly I am a trained lawyer, so you'll have to accept my word as against a non-lawyer's word. The evidence that we have presented tells any investigator, any prosecutor what Hafeez Sayeed did, where he was, whom he met, what he told them, what his role was. If that is not evidence to continue [an] investigation against Hafeez Sayeed, what else is evidence?
But he was held and then released because the courts in Pakistan were not convinced that there was enough evidence?
The court can only be convinced if you present evidence… There is a vast distinction between the responsibility and role of the prosecution and the role and responsibility of the judge. The judge does not investigate. The judge weighs the evidence presented to the court. If no evidence is presented to the court, what will [the] judge do?
Why won't you tell us what that evidence is though? Because at the moment we have the Indian authorities saying there is sufficient evidence, the Pakistani authorities saying it's insufficient. What is the evidence? Where was he when the attacks were being planned?
December 2007 - January 2008 he was in a place where Kasab and others were trained. He spoke to the trainees on many occasions. There was another training camp at a place called Chekhalabandi mountain of Muzaffarabad. Hafeez Sayeed was in the camp and met the trainees.
He was accompanied by a person known as major general "saab" [sir].
Hafeez Sayeed finally selected the trainees and gave them new names. Kasab was given a new name - "Abu Mujahid" - that name was given by Hafeez Sayeed.
Then they underwent marine training at a training camp and Hafeez Sayeed was present for that training too.
On the 13th day of roza [Muslim fasting during Ramadan] the selected trainees were called to the office of the Bait-ul-Mujahideen and Hafeez Sayeed met them there. I could go on. Places, dates, names, conversations.
Now if a prosecutor is unwilling to take this as prima facie evidence, investigate further, visit the places, go to the places, arrest Hafeez Sayeed, and discover further evidence what does the prosecution of Pakistan do?
You mentioned a ... major-general "saab". Who is he?
I don't know. All I know is there is a reference to a major-general "saab" who accompanied Hafeez Sayeed.
And you believe [him] to be a member of the Pakistani military?
I don't know. Somebody must investigate that. You see, please let's understand what investigation means. We can only give leads to our investigative agents.
That's pretty concerning though … of a major general accompanying him?
He may be a retired major general, he may be a serving major general. I don't know. That has to be investigated. So Hafeez Sayeed has to be asked where he was on those days, did he visit those places, who accompanied him. That is the purpose of investigation. In no crime, in no case [would] the accused or the culprit… come and tell the investigator "I did all these things". Purpose of investigation is to take leads and investigate. That I am afraid the Pakistanis are not doing.
Al Jazeera
September 10th, 2009
PTI
Karachi: Cricket boards of India and Pakistan are in touch to discuss resumption of bilateral cricket ties in the near future at neutral venues.
Sources in the Pakistan Cricket Board said that a BCCI official had spoken to PCB this week and some discussion revolved around the possibility of revival of bilateral cricket ties between the two countries.
"The PCB is very keen to push this idea forward as a series against India will improve its financial health considerably and also allow it to meet its commitments with the broadcasters who are paying a lot of money for the television rights of Pakistan cricket," one source said.
The source also confirmed that Pakistan was keen to convince the Indians to resume bilateral ties by even agreeing to play a short series of one or two one-day internationals and a Twenty20 match at some neutral venue.
"The ice can be broken with a short series which can happen if the Indian Government gives the go ahead to its board," one source said.
He said they were some positive signals coming from BCCI which had also assured the PCB that it was keen to see Pakistani players in the Indian Premier League next year.
The PCB has already given clearance to all-rounder Abdul Razzaq and some other players to sign up with IPL franchises.
India suspended bilateral ties early this year after the Mumbai terror attacks by calling off a scheduled Test tour in January that cost PCB $25-30 million.
A man on Wednesday told an Indian court trying Ajmal Kasab how he escaped with his life after confronting two heavily-armed extremists with just a bamboo stick. Security guard Kamal Singh said he rushed to the Nariman House Jewish cultural centre in the Colaba district of Mumbai on the night of November 26 last year, after hearing shots. “I mustered courage and entered the building with a bamboo stick. On reaching the first floor, I saw two persons perched on the second floor facing in the opposite direction,” he told the court trying Ajmal Kasab. “I inquired from them what was the matter. One of them turned towards me. He was holding a gun. The other looked at me and said kafir aa gaya (it’s a non-believer).”
The Press Trust of India news agency said Singh, who worked nearby, recounted in his testimony how the extremists opened fire, but he ducked and managed to escape the bullets, climbing down the staircase to safety.
Here is a golden opportunity.India to inform U.S. about Pak’s reluctance to punish 26/11 accused
Police have registered two cases against Jamaatud Dawa chief Hafiz Saeed Ahmed on charges of delivering a speech against the government and arranging an unlawful congregation.
Sources told Dawn on Thursday that Hafiz Saeed attended an Iftar-dinner in Faisalabad on Wednesday and held a meeting of activists of his banned organisation. He highlighted the importance of jihad and sought donations from the participants.
According to the sources, security branch officials moved applications for registration of cases against the cleric.
According to police, the first congregation took place at a hotel on Canal Road and the second, an Iftar-dinner hosted by Sheikh Nisar Ahmed, was held in an area on Jaranawala Road.
Madina Town and People’s Colony police stations have registered two separate cases against Hafiz Saeed under the Anti-Terrorism Act. However, no arrest has been made.
Raja Bose, thanks for posting. This is a *Must Watch*. It is very moving when you see the shattered families and kids and parents. It also makes you very, very angry that we are so impotent even after repeated such attacks. Why hasn't our government at least produced a documentary yet on these same lines leave alone retribution ? Are secular governments tied down by notions of misplaced secularism ?Raja Bose wrote:Click: http://europenews.dk/en/node/24746
A Must Watch! - but NSFW and NOT for the faint hearted!
An anti-terrorism court here conducting the trial of seven suspects linked with the Mumbai terror attacks, including LeT operations commander Zakiur Rehman Lakhvi, on Saturday adjourned the hearing till September 26.
No other details of the proceedings were available due to a strict media blackout imposed by Judge Baqir Ali Rana, who is conducting the trial inside the high-security Adiala Jail in the garrison city of Rawalpindi due to security reasons.
The hearings are being conducted in-camera and judge Rana has issued a gag order, citing national security concerns as well as the security of the accused and witnesses.
Sources told PTI that the judge adjourned the case till September 26 following Saturday’s proceedings.
It is still not clear whether the seven accused have been formally indicted as yet though authorities have so far prepared two charge sheets against them. Lawyers representing the accused said they had been directed by the judge to strictly adhere to the gag order and not to discuss the proceedings with the media.
Five LeT operatives — Lakhvi, communications expert Zarar Shah, Abu al-Qama, Hamad Amin Sadiq and Shahid Jamil Riaz — being tried by the anti-terrorism court.
They have been accused of providing training, financial support, accommodation, equipment and communications gear to the 10 terrorists who attacked Mumbai last year.
No details are available of the charges against the two other suspects, Jamil Ahmed and Younas Anjum.
Exactly as it happened before SeS. Time for India to make concessions to Pakistan.Indian High Commissioner called on Federal Interior Minister Rehman Malik and discussed various bilateral issues including Mumbai Attack investigations, Geo News reported Saturday.
Rehman Malik handed the dossier regarding the investigations of Mumbai attacks to the Indian HC.
Pakistani Interior minister Rehman Malik said on Saturday a court will indict seven suspects in last year's attack on Mumbai in the coming week. Malik also told reporters that Pakistan wants more forensic evidence from India.
"The statements of Ajmal Kasab (lone surviving terrorist) have been provided on Saeed. But according to legal parameters the court will ask for evidence," he said. {Then, it is for Pakistan to provide that evidence. Ajmal Kasab has said on what dates, for example, Hafeez Saeed visited them and how he saw them off at Karachi and who were all with Professor Hafeez Saeed etc. How can India provide evidence for these things that happened on Pakistani soil ?}
The Israeli TV newsbreak about the Jewish state’s official advisory to its nationals to avoid visiting India has failed catching our national media outlets’ attention, preoccupied overridingly as they are with our political adventurists’ squabbles and tiffs. But this inattentiveness of the media shouldn’t percolate to our officialdom as well. Rather, the Israeli advisory should shake out our foreign office hierarchy and security establishment from their smugness that appears to have crept on them in spite of the Indian government’s blatant manoeuvrings to exploit the Mumbai terrorist strike politically to denigrate and demonise Pakistan.
The advisory specifically cautions intending Israeli visitors that allegedly al-Qaeda-linked Pakistani militants are planning series of Mumbai-like attacks in India in coming weeks to target western and Jewish tourists. But not long ago, Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh too had paraded the same allegation. And that should raise the ante in Islamabad.
It isn’t clear what has prompted the Israeli advisory, while it can be very safely presumed that Singh had spoken on the basis of what the Indian intelligence apparatus had told him. The “pinpoint intelligence tip-off” that the Jewish state has cited for its advisory too could be the Indian apparatus’s handiwork. After all, there is a close nexus between Indian spy agency RAW and Israeli secret service Mossad, a nexus that in cohort with America’s CIA is playing dirty games in our tribal region and Balochistan to our grievous grief.
It must not be forgotten that even some Indian observers and analysts had spoken of the Mumbai terrorist assault being the outcome of a big international conspiracy encompassing several world spots, nationalities and actors. In their talk, Nariman House, Mumbai’s Jewish centre, figured prominently. According to them, the centre was actually the hub of Mossad operatives, spooks and agents in the region, which had hosted suspicious characters days before the assault. Even on the day of occurrence, they asserted the centre had ordered food from caterers for some 40 people. And going by their version, the attack the Jewish centre had come under was carried out not by the alleged attackers but by the ones who even didn’t look Indians but were whites.
Happened to hear Hamid Gul yesterday on Headlines Today channel. He was saying that Mumbai, like 9/11, was a deep conspiracy by the victims themselves and others are getting unnecessarily blamed. When asked specifically whether there was still doubt about Ajmal Kasab being a Pakistani, he felt cornered and changed the issue to India not providing enough evidence to nail Hafeez Saeed at all etc. The Pakistani effort is to prolong the case, sow seeds of doubts through disinformation, not investigate from their side and eventually weaken the entire case all the while turning the tables against India, making India appear as intransigent, and make India appear lying etc.jrjrao wrote:This Paki editorial needs to be recorded here, if only as a reminder of the utter gutter filth that sits inside such Paki heads. People who write such things are not ones who can be reasoned with.
Perturbing Israeli advisory
http://thefrontierpost.com/News.aspx?ncat=ed&nid=170It must not be forgotten that even some Indian observers and analysts had spoken of the Mumbai terrorist assault being the outcome of a big international conspiracy encompassing several world spots, nationalities and actors.
The additional information Pakistan is seeking relates to forensic data for a piece of pink foam, said to have been recovered by Indian investigators from the boat that the Mumbai attackers used.
Some pink foam was also recovered by Pakistani investigators and Mr. Malik said an exact match between the two was needed to present as evidence in court.
Pakistan also wants the forensic analysis of the communication intercepts between the attackers and their handlers, and the details of a Yamaha engine that powered the dinghy used by the attackers to land on the Mumbai shoreline.
Mr. Malik said Pakistani investigators were also seeking the certified depositions made by witnesses in the Mumbai trial court, particularly by the officials of the United States Federal Bureau of Investigations.
“We want maximum information from India because we want to make our case solid and credible in such a way that culprits do not get benefit of doubt,” the Minister told a press conference. “We want to take the entire investigation to its logical conclusion, that is we want to get them convictions.”
The Pakistani investigators, Mr. Malik said, had already done a professional job of turning sketchy information into “tangible evidence” that could be presented in court.
Asked about the arrest and if India was satisfied with the Pakistani action, Mr.Chidambaram responded: "He has been charged under two FIRs unrelated to 26/11 [the attack on Mumbai]. If this is a face saving technique I have no objection. My demand is that he be interrogated on the 26/11 atacks...on his role in the 26/11 attacks."
How Saeed brainwashed terrorists, planned 26/11
Sep 21, 2009
New Delhi: Hafiz Saeed, the mastermind of the Mumbai terror attacks last year, not only planned the hijack of the boat Kuber that carried Ajmal Kasab, the lone terrorist captured during the terror strike, and other terrorists to Mumbai shores, but he also decided 1930 hours IST as the time of attack, according to details available with CNN-IBN.
According to the confessions of Kasab, Fahim Ansari and Sabauddin, who were the Indian link to their Pakistani counterparts during the Mumbai attack, the Jamaat-ud-Dawa chief planned every detail of the deadly attack.
Kasab confessed that Saeed had said, “It's time for jihad, decide how to attack Hindustan.”
Kasab has reportedly confessed to meeting Saeed during a terror training camp in December 2007.
He added that Saeed often visited training camps and incited youth to fight to free Kashmir. Saeed selected trainees and even gave them codenames.
Sabauddin confessed that he was motivated to join a terror group after he heard Saeed’s sermon in Lahore.
India gave its last dossier on Saeed on August 1, which included transcripts of conversations between the Mumbai attackers and their handlers in Pakistan.
Home Minister P Chidambaram had said, "There is enough evidence to proceed against Saeed."
"The evidence provided in three dossiers is, in our view, sufficient to investigate role of Hafiz Saeed (in the Mumbai carnage)," the Minister said. "The investigations in Pakistan will also throw up enough evidence."
Saeed has been reportedly placed under house arrest in Lahore, according to media reports.
Pak TV channels reported that Saeed's movements had been restricted for reasons of security. There was no official word on the issue.
Saeed has also been barred from leading Eid prayers at Lahore’s Gaddafi Stadium. "Police party has been deputed outside his residence restricting his movement," Pak TV channel Geo News said.
A police contingent was deployed outside Saeed's home in Johar Town area of Lahore late on Saturday night to restrict his movements. However, it was not clear if he had been officially put under house arrest.
This is 'security for Saeed himself', not to secure others from Saeed's actions.Avinash R wrote:Pak TV channels reported that Saeed's movements had been restricted for reasons of security.
The rigours of Saeed’s house arrest "considerately"SSridhar wrote:Prof. Hafeez Saeed under house arrest for the nth time
mitigated with breaks to visit the Army of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan to enjoy their hospitality and scoff down some Kebab’s and the like :Saeed under 'house arrest', was Pak army's iftar guest
Rajeev Deshpande & Vishwa Mohan, TNN 22 September 2009, 01:07am IST
NEW DELHI: Two FIRs against Jamaat-ud-Dawa chief Hafiz Saeed and "restrictions" on his movements may not be more than eyewash. The 26/11 mastermind remains a valuable "asset" for Pakistan's military establishment and was an esteemed guest at an iftar hosted by the army's 10th corps.
The JuD boss, who is also the head of the terrorist outfit Lashkar-e-Taiba, is understood to have been present at the iftar held on September 12. The 10th corps is headquartered in Rawalpindi and is seen to be responsible for the Kashmir sector with a role in pushing infiltrators across the Line of Control into J&K. The LeT is a major recruiter of jihadis sent into J&K. ..........................
Times of India
Pakistan knows how to enact a drama just in the nick of time. That's all there is to this new episode of Professor saheb.“A decision on his case will be taken on the basis of laws and evidence (against him),” Mr. Gilani, who spoke in Urdu, said in his hometown of Multan.
“Action will be taken on the basis of evidence that we get and I want to assure you that Pakistan will not allow any terrorist to use its soil and no one will be given an opportunity to carry out terrorist activities directed against another country from Pakistan,” he said.
The writ petition, filed in the Lahore High Court by Saeed's lawyer A K Dogar, said that the two First Information Reports registered against the JuD chief in Faisalabad last week were "without lawful authority and of no legal effect".
The petition also claimed that the Indian government has been "pressing" Pakistan to take action against Saeed even though there is "no charge" against him. It said two "fake" cases had been registered against Saeed on baseless allegations and police cannot book him constitutionally or legally under such charges.
Ahead of two key bilateral meetings here, Pakistan today sought more time to investigate the role of detained JuD chief Hafiz Mohd Saeed in the Mumbai terror attacks but claimed that India has so far provided it with only "leads" and not "credible tangible evidence".
"The only request which I am making to India is give us credible tangible evidence, which can stand the test of the court. But, I am not rejecting those leads, what I am saying - give me some time to investigate," Pakistan's Interior Minister Rehman Malik said.
"... We are on it. If we get some material evidence we will do it," he told NDTV.
So its like self constrainment?SSridhar wrote:It appears, per latest reports on Indian channels, that Hafeez Saeed is not even under house arrest. The Pakistani police have simply asked (requested ?) him to restrict his movements.
They don't want him to get bumped off by SDRE black ops (very very unlikely) or by rival jihadis (more like it). He is being kept under protective custody for his own safety. It has nothing to do with 26/11.ramana wrote:So its like self constrainment?SSridhar wrote:It appears, per latest reports on Indian channels, that Hafeez Saeed is not even under house arrest. The Pakistani police have simply asked (requested ?) him to restrict his movements.
I would bet on Mossad ...Dilbu wrote:They don't want him to get bumped off by SDRE black ops (very very unlikely) or by rival jihadis (more like it). He is being kept under protective custody for his own safety. It has nothing to do with 26/11.
I dont think that any country in the milky way galaxy fears the above mentioned (SDRE black ops, if such a thing even remotely exists)...We only have experts dossier-ops teams on alert at all times.They don't want him to get bumped off by SDRE black ops (very very unlikely)
slight shift in paki tune should be noted here. In effect pakis are saying that kasab claiming that he saw HS is not enough. India should provide with circumstantial and material evidence without which pakis will not even investigate. India, simply because of the fact that the plans to attack Mumbai was hatched not here but in pakistan,cannot provide pakis with circumstantial and material evidence. Pakis know this and are thumbing their nose at us.Dilbu wrote:26/11: Pak Seeks More Time to Probe Saeed's Role
Ahead of two key bilateral meetings here, Pakistan today sought more time to investigate the role of detained JuD chief Hafiz Mohd Saeed in the Mumbai terror attacks but claimed that India has so far provided it with only "leads" and not "credible tangible evidence".
Within 4 months of 26/11, Fobama tripled financial and military aid to Pakistan. That explains how much serious he is.ramana wrote:If tis question of quick justice, kasab should have been charged with killing the two cops and get over with the trial. However the GOI wants to bring the whole role of TSP and put that into the legal record and as long as the trial continues the US cant push for quick reconcialiation with the terrorist supporting nation. And This also keeps the US at bay.
Not just Pakis. Every aam-aadmi in India including lawyers knows that. Whole world knows that.Anujan wrote:slight shift in paki tune should be noted here. In effect pakis are saying that kasab claiming that he saw HS is not enough. India should provide with circumstantial and material evidence without which pakis will not even investigate. India, simply because of the fact that the plans to attack Mumbai was hatched not here but in pakistan,cannot provide pakis with circumstantial and material evidence. Pakis know this and are thumbing their nose at us.
why should pakistani take any indian in the investigation team.did india ever took pakis in investigation team to question ajmal kasab and two others accused of 26/11.did india ever took any pakistani in investigation team to question col.purohit.people killed in samjhota exp were pakis on indian soil.so if india thinks it has right to be included in investigation team in pak on 26/11.then pak too has right to be included in samjhota exp investigation team.if india cant include pakis in samjhota exp investigation team then how can u expect pakistan to do the same.pakistan has every right to be included in investigation teams of all the cases where india accuses pak of isi involvement.otherwise let the law takes its own course(this is the term wat most indisn politicos use,isnt it?vishwakarmaa wrote:Not just Pakis. Every aam-aadmi in India including lawyers knows that. Whole world knows that.Anujan wrote:slight shift in paki tune should be noted here. In effect pakis are saying that kasab claiming that he saw HS is not enough. India should provide with circumstantial and material evidence without which pakis will not even investigate. India, simply because of the fact that the plans to attack Mumbai was hatched not here but in pakistan,cannot provide pakis with circumstantial and material evidence. Pakis know this and are thumbing their nose at us.
Even Chidambaram said in his interview that its the Pakistan who has to gather evidences against Saeed, we will only provide you leads. You have to interrogate him.
But Pakis will not even take any Indian on the investigation team and USA will not ask Pakis to do that because that will end the game for Saeed.
That's what is troubling Chidambaram sahib and he was in NY impressing upon democratic leaders of USA that they should think twice before passing military aid at this crucial time because that will make Pakis release Saeed and boost its confidence.
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