People's Republic of China Nov 22, 2009

Sri · Post by **Sri** » 28 Jun 2010 14:17

Top Ten Chinese knock offs ever.... As compiled by Time

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 29 Jun 2010 14:19

Ties & Troubled Waters - Brahma Chellaney

New evidence from China indicates that, as part of its planned diversion of the waters of the Brahmaputra, preparations are afoot to start work on the world's biggest dam at the river's so-called Great Bend, located at Tibet's corner with north-eastern India. The dam, by impounding water on a gargantuan scale, will generate, according to a latest map of planned dams put up on its website by the state-run Hydro China, 38,000 megawatts of power, or more than twice the capacity of the Three Gorges Dam. Such is its scale that this new dam will by itself produce the equivalent of 25 per cent of India's current installed electricity generation capacity from all sources.

In March 2009, the chairman of the Tibetan regional government unveiled plans for major new dams on the Brahmaputra. A series of six big dams will come up in the upper-middle reaches of the Brahmaputra, to the south-east of Lhasa, with construction of the first ^ Zangmu ^ having begun in 2009 itself. As part of this cascade, four other new dams will come up downstream from Zangmu at Jiacha, Lengda, Zhongda and Langzhen. The sixth, at Jiexu, is upstream to Zangmu. This cascade is in addition to more than a dozen smaller dams that China has already built on the Brahmaputra and its tributaries, including at Yamdrok Tso, Pangduo, Nyingtri-Payi and Drikong.

The most ominous plan China is pursuing is the one to reroute a sizable chunk of the Brahmaputra waters northwards at the Great Bend, the point where the river makes a sharp turn to enter India, creating in the process a canyon larger and deeper than the Grand Canyon in the US. The rapid infrastructure work in this area is clearly geared at such water diversion and hydropower generation. In fact, a new Chinese state grid map showing that the Great Bend area will soon be connected to the rest of China's power supply is a pointer to the impending launch of work on the mammoth dam there

Through its giant projects in Tibet, China is actually set to acquire the capability to fashion water as a political weapon against India. Such a weapon can be put to overt use in war or employed subtly in peacetime so that the level of cross-border water flows becomes a function of political concession.

With China determined to exploit its riparian dominance, New Delhi's self-injurious acceptance of Tibet as part of China is becoming more apparent. Just as India has retreated to an increasingly defensive position territorially, with the spotlight on China's Tibet-linked claim to Arunachal Pradesh than on Tibet's status itself, New Delhi's policy straitjacket precludes an Indian diplomatic campaign against Beijing's dam-building projects. Accepting Tibet and the developments there as China's "internal" affairs has proven a huge misstep that will continue to exact increasing costs. A bold, forward-looking leadership, though, can rectify any past mistake before it becomes too late.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 30 Jun 2010 04:21

India Checkmates Chinese Moves

Small contentious issues in history are harbingers that tend to shape the larger power plays between nations. The naked truth in international affairs as articulated by strategist Paul Kennedy, is that India and China are two rising military and economic powers who will cooperate with each other for trade, and in competition for the same markets and influence, in the coming decades. Such countries are dubbed ‘competitive friendly enemies’. China is India’s largest trading partner, and has entered the Indian Ocean region with its PLA Navy via anti piracy patrols. It has also planted its footprint in India’s neighbourhood and Africa, with its chequebook diplomacy. Pakistan and China are proclaimed all weather friends, and China has built the deep-water port at Gwadar, and plans to transfer military supplies and nuclear plants to Pakistan.

Recent incidents at the naval encirclement of India, at Hambantota and Gwadar, and possibly Bangladesh, dubbed as China’s ‘string of pearls,’ put an end to the rapidly improving relations with India. China dismissed the theory, arguing that India built ports with ADB and World Bank loans, which some developing countries find difficult to obtain. China’s naval analyst, Zhang Ming, contends that India’s Andaman and Nicobar islands could be used as a ‘metal chain’ to block Chinese access to the Straits of Malacca, known as China’s ‘Malacca Dilemma’ and argues India is building an ‘Iron Curtain’ with its influence in the Indian Ocean islands, and ganging up with US on a defense framework. During the Second World War the Japanese built airfields in the Andaman Islands, and China worries that India could emulate this strategy, as well.

Ray Cline, a former Deputy Director of the CIA, had predicted that nations with geography and population would gain ascendancy in the 21st century. He juxtaposed it with maritime strategist Mahan’s prediction that the future may well be decided on the waters of the Indian Ocean. The first signals came when India and China clashed in Bahrain on 2 June 2010, at the monthly SHADE (Shared Awareness and De confliction) anti-piracy conference jointly chaired by the EU and US-led Combined Maritime Force. India stalled China’s bid for co-chairmanship. All 18 naval delegates, Interpol, and shipping reps around the table which have ships deployed and interests for anti piracy patrols in the Horn of Aden, supported China’s long standing bid, but the Indian delegate, Deepak Bisht, was the lone objector. He stated that before China takes the chair, the terms of the reference of chairmanship of SHADE needed to be laid down. Senior Col, Zhou Bo PLA(N), was taken aback.

A visibly surprised Chairman, Cmde Adrain Vander Linde, the EU Task Force Commodore from the Netherlands, asked if India wished to bid for a rotating chair. Only then, would a subcommittee attempt the terms of reference. India’s delegate contented, India would consider the option to chair only if India knew the terms, and this upturned China’s bid, which was accepted at the last meeting. Murmurs round the table were heard, as this writer was present with Foreign Service reps in the audience. India had successfully blocked China on this minor issue.

Currently the IMO has marked a 400-mile International Recognised Transit Corridor (IRTC) off Aden for the safe transit of ships to and from the Red Sea. Indian Navy’s single ship deployment on patrol since 2008 (presently INS Bhahmaputra) has successfully escorted 1,000 Indian and other flagged ships, and INS Brahmaputra is on station. The Navy promulgates the convoy schedule through India’s DG Shipping, as on 2 June, 17 ships were in captivity in Somali waters. Russia plans to replace the Udaloy-class guided-missile destroyer Marshal Shaposhnikov that stormed and rescued MV Moscow University by Admiral Levchenko Neustrashimy and Yaroslav Mudry. Dutch Defence Minister, Eimert van Middelkoop, announced its Navy will deploy a submarine in the area and Singapore has increased its patrol strength with two Puma helicopters.

Unwritten in China’s bid is an attempt to break up the 400-mile IRTC into patches, and allocate it to national navies amounting to parcelling the Indian Ocean. China could stipulate Chairmanship criteria to make number of ships multiplied by hours on patrol to count and India may not qualify with one ship on patrol.

The Chinese and Indian swords are sheathed for the time being, but India has to be prepared for the Pearls versus the Iron Curtain competition. India has banned Chinese firms from partaking in projects and placed restrictions on Huawei, which has supplied communications gear to India’s mobile operators. India has geography and a large young population on its side and will have to cope with the meteoric rise of China. It has been said, ‘India is like boiling water, steam and froth on top but rather calm below’. ‘China is like boiling oil, calm above but violent and seething below.’ If an eruption does take place in one nation, it could be violent. The jury is out whether the Chinese top down approach will prevail over India’s rather slower and democratic bottom-up approach. But the competition for influence in the Indian Ocean region has begun.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 01 Jul 2010 22:47

India, China can collaborate in many areas: Swamy

30 Jun 2010, 1449 hrs IST,PTI, Economic Times

WASHINGTON: Observing that India and China share a very unique set of characteristics, former Union Law Minister Subramanian Swamy has said that the two Asian giants can collaborate in many areas, including IT sector.Â

"India and China can collaborate in various areas including IT, alternate fuel development, thorium based nuclear energy research etc. A collaborative attitude will be a winning game for both India and China," Swamy said in his keynote address to the Global Indian IT Professional Association (GITPRO).Â

Addressing Indian professionals at a function organised by GITPRO, at Cupertino in California, Swamy said, "India and China share a very unique set of characteristics, both of them are billion population countries."

In his speech on "Competing Or Collaborating Economies" Swamy said together the two countries were 50 per cent of world's GDP till about year 1750 AD, lost their position, and now growing at about 8.5 per cent growth rate.Â

They are regaining their positions and are only next to the US in the GDP, and US, China and India would form a triangle of leading economies in the next 50 years, he added.

"They (India and China) are the only large neighboring countries that have not been involved in any kind of conflict in the last known 2700 years except in 1962" he said.

"We in India need to evolve a policy to preserve the ancient relationship between both the countries without sacrificing their national interests," the Janata Party president said.

While infrastructure was China's key strength, India enjoyed advantage in skilled labour, he said.

"There are lot of areas in which both the economies can collaborate. Indian infrastructure and education systems needs improvement, and the only country which has a potential to match US innovation is India and the key ingredient for innovation is Democracy, this is where India has an edge over China."

"India's population would not only surpass the Chinese population but it would be younger and that would also be an advantage to India. While working on collaboration, India also has to compete with China in exports," he said.

http://economictime s.indiatimes. com/articleshow/ 6110291.cms? prtpage=1

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 02 Jul 2010 09:57

Indian Army to induct 'offensive' corps along China border

The Indian security establishment is considering the largest-ever upgrade of military capabilities along the China border as it tries to catch up with the militarily advanced neighbour.

Sources told TOI that the defence ministry has proposed the setting up of a Mountain Strike Corps and two Independent Brigades along the China border. The proposed corps would be India's fourth strike corps and the only one dedicated for offensive operations in mountainous terrain.

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 02 Jul 2010 10:16

In past 24 months, Indian Army has gone up by 6 Mountain Divisions and one additional Corps HQ - and a Mountain Strike Corps at that. I hope we don't go around yelling week kneed and lilly livered approach of GOI any more.....

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 03 Jul 2010 01:23

Menon's China visit will transcend border issue

http://www.hindu.com/2010/07/03/stories ... 981200.htm

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 03 Jul 2010 01:26

rohitvats wrote:In past 24 months, Indian Army has gone up by 6 Mountain Divisions and one additional Corps HQ - and a Mountain Strike Corps at that. I hope we don't go around yelling week kneed and lilly livered approach of GOI any more.....

Are they ground truths or paper formations?

meanwhile a HSJ assesment of
New Directions in China’s Quest for Intangible Property and Implications for Homeland Security

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 03 Jul 2010 06:07

What kind of striking can you do across the mountains - especially the Himalayas?
Isn't the best thing to hunker down defensively, and use the mountains as a shield?

I always hear that the environment/climate is the chief enemy in these locations. It seems like any strike operations would be horrendously over-exposed, not just to enemy action but also the perilous environment.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 03 Jul 2010 06:16

SanjayM, Look at the terrain in Aksai Chin.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 03 Jul 2010 07:42

It is good that we have news of a new corps plus two independent brigades along the Chinese border when the NSA is visiting China as well.

rajrang · Post by **rajrang** » 04 Jul 2010 04:42

rohitvats wrote:In past 24 months, Indian Army has gone up by 6 Mountain Divisions and one additional Corps HQ - and a Mountain Strike Corps at that. I hope we don't go around yelling week kneed and lilly livered approach of GOI any more.....

For decades India had "10 mountain divisions" - even thought only 9 were called mountain divisions. Finally two years ago there was a decision to raise 2 additional divisions to defend AP. That made it 12. Now there is this news about raising a mountain strike corps with 2 divisions. That would make it 14. Even if you argue that the 2 new brigades (Ladakh, Uttarcnhal) plus I recall a new artillery brigade for the NE, is numerically equal to 1 more division, the total is 15 divisions. Did I get my math correct? How do you get 16? Also note that the new strike corps has not yet been approved. Thanks,

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 04 Jul 2010 08:08

ramana wrote:SanjayM, Look at the terrain in Aksai Chin.

Aksai Chin is a chicken neck - not a very defensible area, not even by a strike corps - especially not by a strike corps.

Best solution would be unconventional warfare, to attack PLA's forward supply lines to that area. Without supplies, the weather would kill them.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 04 Jul 2010 10:34

China says it needs no waiver for supplying the two nuclear reactors to Pakistan

China believes that its agreement to install two new nuclear reactors in Pakistan does not violate international obligations, says the Chinese Embassy in Washington.

In a statement to the US media, the embassy’s spokesman Wang Baodong told the US media that Beijing was convinced the reactor agreement “goes along well with the international obligations China and Pakistan carry in relation to the international nuclear non-proliferation regime”.

A US expert, Mark Hibbs of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, endorsed the Chinese position but urged Beijing to be careful.

“The US doesn’t really have any options.....the Nuclear Suppliers Group’s guidelines are voluntary. There is nothing the US can do to prevent China from going ahead with this deal,” he said.

“Unless Washington comes up with a very, very attractive offer, the history of Chinese-Pakistani relations is such that it is unlikely that this deal will not go through,” Heritage Foundation researcher Dean Cheng told the US media.

A State Department official disagreed with the suggestion but did so rather meekly.

The United States “suspects” that China would need a waiver from a nuclear export control group to move ahead with the sale of two atomic energy plants to Pakistan, a department official told the Washington Times.

Beijing is one of the 46 member states of the Nuclear Suppliers Group, which seeks to block access to nuclear technology and materials by nations that have not joined the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty.

Its guidelines prohibit any deal with the countries that have not yet signed the NPT, such as Pakistan. But last year it gave a waiver to India under US and international pressure.

Beijing contends that because it built two nuclear reactors in Pakistan before becoming a member of the NSG, the new atomic deal should be allowed.

“The United States has reiterated concern that the transfer of new reactors at Chashma appears to extend beyond cooperation that was ‘grandfathered’ when China was approved for membership in the NSG,” US State Department spokesman Noel Clay said.

Mr Clay said if the new reactors did not fall under the ‘grandfather exception’ then Beijing needed a waiver from the nuclear export body, similar to the 2008 allowance that has allowed India — another nuclear-armed, non-NPT country — to sign atomic trade deals with the United States and other nations.

The Nuclear Suppliers Group operates on consensus so all member nations must agree on granting the exemption.

“We are still waiting for more information from China to clarify China’s intended cooperation with Pakistan, in light of China’s NSG commitments,” Mr Clay said.

kancha · Post by **kancha** » 04 Jul 2010 10:49

Sanjay M wrote: Aksai Chin is a chicken neck - not a very defensible area, not even by a strike corps - especially not by a strike corps.

Best solution would be unconventional warfare, to attack PLA's forward supply lines to that area. Without supplies, the weather would kill them.

You can't really call it a chicken's neck, because on the east the area is actually contiguous to Chinese occupied Tibet, so in a way it is a physical extension of Chinese controlled territory unlike Siliguri area that is sandwiched by two countries leaving only a small sliver of land in between, or for that matter akhnur where the NH1 is quite close to the border.

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 05 Jul 2010 00:09

Forced labour in PRC

http://www.impactlab.com/2010/07/04/100 ... more-57740

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 05 Jul 2010 06:46

Dont know if this CCTV report has been posted before.

As per Prof.Nalapat, the main obstacle for better India - China relations is the "American and European influenced" Indian English media. Other wise, its all milk and honey. No mention of the boundary issue, pakistan, tibet or anything. Either he is trying to be nice to his hosts or he really does not have any clue on the subject.

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rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 05 Jul 2010 10:42

ramana wrote:
rohitvats wrote:In past 24 months, Indian Army has gone up by 6 Mountain Divisions and one additional Corps HQ - and a Mountain Strike Corps at that. I hope we don't go around yelling week kneed and lilly livered approach of GOI any more.....

Are they ground truths or paper formations?

meanwhile a HSJ assesment of
New Directions in China’s Quest for Intangible Property and Implications for Homeland Security

ramana garu, the 2 Mountain Divisions(MD) for NE are already up and running. The AOR between 4 and 3 Corps has been rationalized with some give and take of divisions. Next in line are the 2 MDs for Northern Command. This Mountain Strike Corps is a new announcement - so will take some time to shape up. But important thing - report from ground says that lot of new raisings for various arms and services has been okayed. And some has already taken place. All in all, genuine expansion in the strength of IA.

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 05 Jul 2010 10:56

rajrang wrote: For decades India had "10 mountain divisions" - even thought only 9 were called mountain divisions. Finally two years ago there was a decision to raise 2 additional divisions to defend AP. That made it 12. Now there is this news about raising a mountain strike corps with 2 divisions. That would make it 14. Even if you argue that the 2 new brigades (Ladakh, Uttarcnhal) plus I recall a new artillery brigade for the NE, is numerically equal to 1 more division, the total is 15 divisions. Did I get my math correct? How do you get 16? Also note that the new strike corps has not yet been approved. Thanks,

To begin with, it does not matter if the formation is Mountain Division (MDs) or Infantry Division - as long as it is equipped to be able to operate in its AOR (Area of Responsibility). After the move of 8th Mountain Division to the Valley, we have had 8 Divisions dedicated for the Chinese front - not counting the Reserves (which would take it to 10).

Cut to present - 2 new MDs have been raised in NE and already operationalized. Add to it the two MDs okayed for Northern Sector. Plus, the latest report of new Corps HQ (Mountain Strike Corps) with 2 more Mountain Divisions under it - total of 6 new raisings; 2 done and 4 more to go. Considering the 2 new MD already raised in NE, we 'now' have 10 divisions with Corps dedicated to chinese front.

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 05 Jul 2010 11:00

Sanjay M wrote: Aksai Chin is a chicken neck - not a very defensible area, not even by a strike corps - especially not by a strike corps. Best solution would be unconventional warfare, to attack PLA's forward supply lines to that area. Without supplies, the weather would kill them.

It is advisable you spend some time on Google Earth to get a hang of the area; might as well check some pics of the terrain in this area (there are quite a lot on the web) - it not chicken neck by any yardstick of imagination. If it would be, I guess, we'd be able to wring the neck back from the PLA. Easier said than done.

The issue with Aksai Chin is our lines of communication to the area - but that is different story all together.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 05 Jul 2010 11:05

are you sure of the 6 new raisings. I was not sure the strike corps is a new 2 or just a command HQ for one of the accounted for 4 new raisings planned.

the rohtang tunnel work was kicked off last week by rajmata in person. should take atleast 5 yrs to complete and secure that route. will cut the kashmiri separatists down to size if they cannot hijack supplies to ladakh and kargil anymore.

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 05 Jul 2010 11:10

Arre Sirji, like I said earlier...2 for NE are absorbed in 3 and 4 Corps. And two were announced for Northern Sector. Now this news of MSC to be based in NE - only possible if it has some formation under it; otherwise, what will it command? Also, the news item mentions that this MSC will have two MD under it.

csharma · Post by **csharma** » 05 Jul 2010 12:20

Following is what Orbat has to say about the reports on the build up

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India's buildup against China Reader Avik Bhattacharyya asks us to clarify the situation regarding how many divisions have been/are being/will be raised.
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Two divisions have been raised, under Eastern Command. The Government is said to have approved the raising of two more, which will go to Northern Command. A couple of independent brigades have been requested and we assume permission will be given en passant, so as to speak.
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Now, Mandeep Bajwa explained to us the other day that the Army has asked for a minimum of seven new divisions ASAP with another four after that, so that we are talking of eleven new divisions at some point in the mid-2010s. Mandeep believes the seven can be taken as given, and the additional four will also be approved in due time as unlike in the past, today money is not a problem. India's official defense expenditure is just 2% of its GDP so it has room to spend more.
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Avik asks if seven divisions would not represent the greatest post-1945 build up by a democratic country. In 1963-68 India raised sixteen new divisions, so seven divisions over 5-6 years is not that much.
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Avik also asks what has happened to the modernization of the Pakistan-front forces. We are trying to frame the answer as politely as possible, without calling the Government of India and senior defense staff morons, idiots, cretins, and retards. With those words ruled out, all we can say is that everyone has transferred their attention to the new toy, the China buildup, and no one has time for the old toy, the modernization of the Pakistan-front forces. For eleven years the Government has been going on and on about Cold Start without doing a darn thing to make Cold Start a reality. And it doesn't require much to make it a reality, just a simple expansion of mechanization.
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The new mantra is "two-front war". Well, sorry about that, the Indian Army has since 1963 been sized for exactly that, a two-front war. Readers can take it on the Editor's words alone: he's studied Indian defense policy for 40 years, and he can assure readers the last time anyone knew what they were doing was the 1971 War - and two-thirds of the objectives even then were abandoned because India was - still is - ruled by the Yellow Boxer Brigade - Boxer as in boxer shorts, the rest we leave to your imagination.

csharma · Post by **csharma** » 06 Jul 2010 11:54

India Readies for China Fight

http://the-diplomat.com/2010/07/06/indi ... ina-fight/

Last May, just days before India’s general election results were announced, the country’s highest policy making body for security matters was convened by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh. Its mandate: Find ways of enabling India’s military to take on an increasingly powerful (and belligerent) China.

At the end of a marathon meeting, the Cabinet Committee on Security initiated a comprehensive, well-funded plan to bolster India’s land, air and naval forces to counter China’s rising military prowess. The plan is historic, coming after years of dithering by an Indian establishment seemingly paralysed by memories of the country’s humiliating defeat at the hands of the Chinese in a brief but brutal war in 1962.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 06 Jul 2010 13:16

India an important partner: Wen Jiabao

http://thehindu.com/news/national/article502808.ece

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 07 Jul 2010 06:45

National Security Adviser (NSA) Shiv Shankar Menon said here on Tuesday that China's decision to sell two nuclear reactors to Pakistan would have no bearing on the recent warming of ties between New Delhi and Beijing. ...

The attention on the deal, according to Mr. Menon, was misplaced. “This was not the whole point of the visit,” he stressed, adding: “This took less than two and a half sentences in the whole visit.”

Mr. Menon pointedly stressed in an interaction with journalists that China's close relationship with Pakistan, its all-weather strategic ally, would have no bearing on New Delhi taking forward its ties with Beijing, despite being a source of mistrust between the neighbours in the past.

http://www.hindu.com/2010/07/07/stories ... 170100.htm

Great. Similar to saying that any number of terrorist attacks on SDREs will not be allowed to disrupt dialog with TSP. Can someone explain what Chunkyan-ness there is in this abject grovelling?

DavidD · Post by **DavidD** » 07 Jul 2010 13:23

Pranav wrote:
National Security Adviser (NSA) Shiv Shankar Menon said here on Tuesday that China's decision to sell two nuclear reactors to Pakistan would have no bearing on the recent warming of ties between New Delhi and Beijing. ...

The attention on the deal, according to Mr. Menon, was misplaced. “This was not the whole point of the visit,” he stressed, adding: “This took less than two and a half sentences in the whole visit.”

Mr. Menon pointedly stressed in an interaction with journalists that China's close relationship with Pakistan, its all-weather strategic ally, would have no bearing on New Delhi taking forward its ties with Beijing, despite being a source of mistrust between the neighbours in the past.

http://www.hindu.com/2010/07/07/stories ... 170100.htm

Great. Similar to saying that any number of terrorist attacks on SDREs will not be allowed to disrupt dialog with TSP. Can someone explain what Chunkyan-ness there is in this abject grovelling?

Seems pretty smart of him. What is it, "speak softly, but carry a big stick?" Tell me, exactly what leverage does India have over China to prevent the sale of those nuclear reactors? None, or India would've used it already. Conversely, what leverage does China have over India for sheltering the Dalai Lama? None, or China would've used it already. The key for both parties is to maintain the status quo and develop better relations so that Pakistan would have to stop antagonizing India or risk being left out.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 07 Jul 2010 18:32

China's rail link to Pakistan, a matter of concern: India

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 07 Jul 2010 18:41

DavidD wrote: Seems pretty smart of him. What is it, "speak softly, but carry a big stick?" Tell me, exactly what leverage does India have over China to prevent the sale of those nuclear reactors? None, or India would've used it already. Conversely, what leverage does China have over India for sheltering the Dalai Lama? None, or China would've used it already. The key for both parties is to maintain the status quo and develop better relations so that Pakistan would have to stop antagonizing India or risk being left out.

Pak Jihad is underwritten by external powers supplying nuclear technology. Speaking softly does not mean endorsing things that are harmful. If you have no leverage, it is better to keep quiet. China will never publicly endorse India's hosting of the Dalai Lama.

DavidD · Post by **DavidD** » 08 Jul 2010 03:12

Pranav wrote:
DavidD wrote: Seems pretty smart of him. What is it, "speak softly, but carry a big stick?" Tell me, exactly what leverage does India have over China to prevent the sale of those nuclear reactors? None, or India would've used it already. Conversely, what leverage does China have over India for sheltering the Dalai Lama? None, or China would've used it already. The key for both parties is to maintain the status quo and develop better relations so that Pakistan would have to stop antagonizing India or risk being left out.
Pak Jihad is underwritten by external powers supplying nuclear technology. Speaking softly does not mean endorsing things that are harmful. If you have no leverage, it is better to keep quiet. China will never publicly endorse India's hosting of the Dalai Lama.

I don't think he's endorsing it, he's just saying that it won't affect the Indo-China relationship, which probably is just lip service anyway.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 08 Jul 2010 03:19

Pranav wrote:
Pak Jihad is underwritten by external powers supplying nuclear technology. Speaking softly does not mean endorsing things that are harmful. If you have no leverage, it is better to keep quiet. China will never publicly endorse India's hosting of the Dalai Lama.

We have an apologist for communist regime and supports persecution of HHDL
There is no need to patronize.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 08 Jul 2010 13:26

The Chinese plan to dominate the world.Strategy, vice.
Flood the world with illegal Chinese immigrants and support the various Chinese triads/mafia worldwide and use them to do China's dirty work,espionage,vice,etc. in foreign countries.To ensure this,refuse to sign extradition tretaies with the "host" countries like Italy,which has now decided to go after the Chinese mafia,who are taking over some Italian communities.

Italian government to tackle Chinese mafia
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... mafia.html

Excerpts:

Italian government to tackle Chinese mafia

The Italian government, synonymous with dealing with the mafia, has announced plans to combat the "considerable" dangers posed by Chinese organised crime.

By Nick Squires in Rome
08 Jul 2010
Chinese gangs thrive on money laundering.
Roberto Marconi, the interior minister, will convene a summit in Rome to tackle Chinese gangs, which thrive on prostitution, money laundering, smuggling illegal immigrants into Italy and producing clothes, hand bags and other goods with fake brand names.

One of the largest Chinese communities is in the town of Prato in Tuscany, where an estimated 30,000 Chinese work in textile factories and workshops, often under sweatshop conditions.

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Chinese gangs: 'new mafia'

The difficulty we have with the Chinese community stems from the fact that we still do not have an accord to repatriate illegal aliens to China and this is because the Chinese government has refused to sign one," Mr Maroni said.

Last week police arrested seven Italians and 17 Chinese when they broke up a multibillion euro money-laundering operation which involved Chinese criminals working with Italian money transfer agencies.

The ring was believed to have laundered and sent to China more than 2.7 billion euros (£2.1bn pounds) made from illegal activities in the last four years.

"Our experiences in recent years and the operation carried out by the Guardia di Finanza (finance police) have made it clear to us that the problem is a serious one which cannot be left to local initiatives. Mayors cannot be left on their own," Mr Maroni said.

Italy's four home-grown mafia organisations, including Cosa Nostra in Sicily and the Camorra around Naples, are based in the south of the country, allowing the Chinese to exploit criminal opportunities in the centre and north.

DavidD · Post by **DavidD** » 09 Jul 2010 12:57

lol, Italians tackling Chinese mafias, talk about irony!

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 09 Jul 2010 14:28

Sign of the times! The bosses of the Mafia,Camorra and Ndranghea,most of whom are squatting in their cells after huge crackdowns by Italian authorities,will be rueing their fate and cursing the Italian govt. for allowing the inscrutable "slit-eyed Chinaman" (no racism intended) of yore to squat in Tuscany of all places! The difficulty of any nation's police forces to infiltrate a Chinese community,next to impossible,is going to mae the task far more difficul;t for the Italians that dealing with their own kind.Had Reagan been alive,his "Evil Empire" would now be China.

derkonig · Post by **derkonig** » 09 Jul 2010 16:29

What ever happened to honour amongst *******?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 09 Jul 2010 18:13

One year after riots, tension lingers in China's far West

One year on, calm has returned to the streets of Urumqi, which is Xinjiang's prosperous capital. But tensions between the two ethnic groups still linger. Twelve months after the violence, an already segregated city is getting further divided. Han Chinese residents, who have for long settled in Uighur neighbourhoods surrounding Erdaoqiao, are moving out.

Resentment is particularly high in Urumqi, where Hans now outnumber Uighurs, and disparities between the two groups are most evident. Among young Uighurs is a widely prevailing sense that the best jobs go to Hans, and that those who don't speak Mandarin Chinese are relegated to second-class lives.

The ruling Communist Party's highest leaders met in Beijing in May to chalk out a new development plan for Xinjiang. Some important signs of change emerged from the meeting. Significantly, Beijing has, for the first time for any province or region in China, introduced a resource tax in Xinjiang. This will now force energy companies, who have gotten rich off Xinjiang's resources at little cost, to pay the local government for access to oil and gas. This is expected to substantially boost the government's revenues, which officials said would go to development projects.

For almost 10 months, Xinjiang's residents and businesses were left with no access to e-mail and allowed to view only 30 government websites in an unprecedented information black-out. Other controversial policies, however, legacies of Mr. Wang's rule, still remain in place. Among them is an emphasis on bilingual education, which requires Uighur school-children to learn Mandarin. Some Uighurs fear the emphasis on Mandarin, required for most high-paying jobs, will eventually result in the marginalisation of the Uighur language and culture.

Han Chinese tourists, who drive Xinjiang's once-prosperous tourism industry, have stayed away this year. Erdaoqiao's bylanes are deserted, even though the tourist season has already begun.

naren · Post by **naren** » 10 Jul 2010 08:46

DavidD wrote:lol, Italians tackling Chinese mafias, talk about irony!

I saw this movie "Gomorrah". It makes reference to Chinese mafia in Italy.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 10 Jul 2010 12:46

Chinese Airport near Mount Everest to be ready by OctApril 12, 2010, Beijing

Somewhat old news., Delete if posted earlier.

Construction of the Peace Airport in Xigaze prefecture began in April last year and would be completed in September, making its opening in October feasible, said Xu Bo, director of the Civil Aviation Administration's Tibet Branch.

The airport would be able to handle 230,000 passengers and 1,150 tonnes of cargos and allow 2,580 take-offs and landings annually by 2020, state run Xinhua news-agency reported.

The project will boost investment and tourism in Xigaze, the second largest city in Tibet.

More than 16000 ft long, the airport runway strip looks almost complete in google earth photo of Feb 2006. Now it must have been over.

Vashishtha · Post by **Vashishtha** » 10 Jul 2010 18:40

This news is 1 day old, but just got time today to visit brf.
Revealed: the plot to blow up DragonMart
FYI, Dragon mart is a Chinese mega-mall here in Dubai. This place is literally huge!!! If you are from Mumbai then if you put 5 in-orbit malls back to back, you get one dragon mart. Here you can get everything from Dokia(Nokia) to GL(LG) mobiles and tv's.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 10 Jul 2010 19:48

China
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2 ... ?page=0,10

China is home to more than half the world's population living in "not free" countries, according to Freedom House rankings. The Chinese Communist Party keeps tight control on political power, depriving Chinese citizens of the right to elect their leaders, participate in political opposition, and hold their government accountable. In April, the government approved legislation requiring Internet and telecom network operators to monitor their networks for content relating to "state secrets." The country was also involved in a high-profile dispute this year with Internet giant Google that resulted in the company discontinuing its service to mainland China rather than continuing to filter content. Above, Chinese paramilitary police stand guard outside the Grand Bazaar in the predominantly Uighur city of Urumqi, where ethnic unrest left more than 180 people dead in July, 2009.