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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Posted: 13 Aug 2012 10:40
by SSridhar
Anujan wrote:http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-new ... 12695.aspx
According to Abu Jundal, a key 26/11 handler in Indian custody, Mir {Sajid Mir alias Wasi Bhai} lives with his wife and two children at Garden Villa, about 20km from Islamabad.
Recall that Sajid Mir is a "retired" Pakistani Major.
Yes, Sajid Mir was also Willy Brigitte's handler. Indian Intelligence believes that Sajid Mir is the mysterious person identified as 'A' by the FBI in its chargesheet. They also believe that he is Zarar Shah and had overall technical charge of the 26/11 operation.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Posted: 13 Aug 2012 10:44
by Anujan
Guess where that "Garden Villa" is? Yes, in Pindi. Near the Bahria town -- the same township developed by Malik Riaz on plots allocated to Jernails, and who bribed the Chief Justice of Pakistan's son Arsalan.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Posted: 13 Aug 2012 16:54
by Rajdeep
We are harassed in Pakistan, many keen to migrate to India: Pakistani Hindu family

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 475454.cms
A grocery shop owner in Sibi, Mukesh said Pakistani immigration officials were so skeptical of the visit of Pakistani Hindus to India that before letting them board Samjhauta Express at Wagah on Monday, they were made to give a written undertaking that they were not harassed in Pakistan and would return.
An emotional Mukesh said he had sold his house and other belongings before leaving Pakistan. "I know my relatives are there and they could be harassed but I had to save my and the life of my family, they might also leave Pakistan one day," he said adding that hundreds of Hindu families were keen to migrate to India.
Mukesh spoke of the terror in Balochistan where gun-wielding motorcyclists often came to their shops and demanded huge money and went to houses to harass Hindu ladies and took away their ornaments.
Mukesh's wife Sumen Devi said they had decided to move India for good after one of their relatives Ravi Kumar was kidnapped by unidentified miscreants and when the family failed to meet their demand of ransom they sent back his dead body after two and half months.
Mukesh said police did register their cases but didn't do anything to trace the culprits.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Posted: 13 Aug 2012 17:23
by rohitvats
Please see these videos of interview of General Ziauddin Butt (retd.)...he talks extensively about the Kargil and Musharraf. Most important of all, shows the level of political maneuvering in Pakistan Army. The 'Kabila' concept with Corps Commanders as Kabila Guards gets clearly highlighted.

Another thing which he brings fore is the fact that Mushyrat had planned for a coup much earlier...one of the D-Days was 17 Sep which could not be carried out for some reason. Guess, after Kargil, it was a matter of touch-and-go between ganja and mushyrat.

Must watch, IMO.

PART 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KpBC9k0 ... re=related
PART-2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=en ... 6c72JVCl60
PART-3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=en ... 17v_LQqvZk
PART-4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=en ... 84Su1waiXY

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Posted: 13 Aug 2012 17:24
by SSridhar
The Hindus are the first wave of migrants from Pakistan. It has started. The next wave would be Sikhs & Christians to be followed by Ahmedis.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Posted: 13 Aug 2012 17:40
by SSridhar

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Posted: 13 Aug 2012 18:19
by eklavya
SSridhar wrote:The Hindus are the first wave of migrants from Pakistan. It has started. The next wave would be Sikhs & Christians to be followed by Ahmedis.
May I make a small correction. The first wave appears to be Kashmiri terrorists. What the hell is wrong with GoI .... this is just ridiculous.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-19146057
According to Kashmir government estimates, some 3,500 to 4,000 "boys" went to Pakistan over nearly two decades.

But in the last 12 months, at least 150 of them have come back, Indian officials say, and hundreds others are waiting to return.

The trickle which started last year is not yet a flood, but it's steadily gaining momentum.

Indian officials say they have received 1,054 applications from those wanting to return - by early August they had cleared 291 of them and say 300 more are to be cleared soon.

And many of the returnees, including Abdul Rashid Khan, have come back with their families.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-18270058
Militant circles say there are about 3,000 to 4,000 former Kashmiri fighters stranded in and around Muzaffarabad.

Fighters without a cause Anti-militant rallies in Pakistan Many want to return home, but some do not have the means to pay for the journey.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Posted: 13 Aug 2012 21:16
by Rangudu
Anujan, SSridhar et al.

I've been tracking info on shadowy LeT figures like Sajid Mir since 2002. What is shocking to me is how little Indian authorities know about Mir and the core operational LeT/ISI commanders. Mir is one of the figures who acts as the deniable interface between TSPA and jihadis and is likely part of the so called "Section-S" of the ISI.

I'll gather more thoughts on this topic shortly but I'm still amazed at how TSPA is keeping this part of its jihadi ops opaque for so long.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Posted: 13 Aug 2012 22:45
by sum
What is shocking to me is how little Indian authorities know about Mir and the core operational LeT/ISI commanders. Mir is one of the figures who acts as the deniable interface between TSPA and jihadis and is likely part of the so called "Section-S" of the ISI.
Shows how poor our intel on TSP is and the only intel we get on the inner working of TSP, ISI is through handouts passed by Unkil?

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Posted: 13 Aug 2012 23:04
by ramana
They may not reveal all they know about the other side.

If we can figure it out from open sources they can too!

Water flows down to the sea and not up the mountain.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Posted: 13 Aug 2012 23:56
by partha
http://tribune.com.pk/story/421508/no-o ... an-ashraf/
ISLAMABAD: While saying that the media should promote a positive image of Pakistan, Prime Minister Raja Pervaiz Ashraf said on Monday that no one practices human rights as much as Pakistan does.
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Posted: 14 Aug 2012 00:03
by rajanb
partha wrote:http://tribune.com.pk/story/421508/no-o ... an-ashraf/
ISLAMABAD: While saying that the media should promote a positive image of Pakistan, Prime Minister Raja Pervaiz Ashraf said on Monday that no one practices human rights as much as Pakistan does.
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Agreed. Human rites! :mrgreen:

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Posted: 14 Aug 2012 00:10
by Anujan
Ashphuck will address the "Azadi" parade. Usually he uses this platform to spell out his policies and plans. Will be interesting to follow.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Posted: 14 Aug 2012 00:26
by partha
Remember how the Himalayan Yetis made lot of noise about changing the blasphemy laws not too long ago? They seem to have moved on to other issues not of great concern to Pakistan :mrgreen:
Also, looks like Salman Taseer's son is still in the custody of his kidnappers!

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Posted: 14 Aug 2012 00:55
by SBajwa
by SSridhar
The next wave would be Sikhs & Christians to be followed by Ahmedis.
There are not that many Sikhs in naPakistan. The Sikhs in Punjab and NWFP are close to their Gurdwaras in Lahore (Dera Sahib), Nankana Sahib, Eimnabad (Gujranwala), Hasan Abdal and other Gurdwaras close to Peshawar. Sikhs should not leave the Gurdwara and prefer death or Indian army saving them. Most of the Sikhs are in naPakistani punjab while Hindus are in Sindh.

Hindus are roughly the same size as Christians in Pakistan (about 1.6% of their population).

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Posted: 14 Aug 2012 01:03
by RamaY
^ Perhaps they should move to hindu majority districts adjacent to the international border and demand UN protection under Indian leadership.

Create safe heavens for religious minorities within Pakistan. This will unravel Pakistan.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Posted: 14 Aug 2012 03:15
by Prem
SBajwa wrote:
by SSridhar
The next wave would be Sikhs & Christians to be followed by Ahmedis.
There are not that many Sikhs in naPakistan. The Sikhs in Punjab and NWFP are close to their Gurdwaras in Lahore (Dera Sahib), Nankana Sahib, Eimnabad (Gujranwala), Hasan Abdal and other Gurdwaras close to Peshawar. Sikhs should not leave the Gurdwara and prefer death or Indian army saving them. Most of the Sikhs are in naPakistani punjab while Hindus are in Sindh.Hindus are roughly the same size as Christians in Pakistan (about 1.6% of their population).
Let me say, any oraganized movement by them to migrate will end up in 47 style Massacre of them by Paki Muslims. Minorities of Pakistan whould adopt small,slow, stealthy and steady method to get out of this Hell.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Posted: 14 Aug 2012 03:32
by Prem
Dam deal dies
http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-8 ... -deal-dies
The Asian Development Bank (ADB) has informally announced that it is backing off from its commitment to finance the Bhasha Dam and there is now news that the Neelum-Jhelum Hydropower project is also in deep financial trouble. This is a serious blow to our efforts to resolve the ongoing power crisis that has afflicted the country and crippled the economy for most of the life of this government. Considering the Bhasha project is now four years in the making, it is a little late in the day for the ADB to raise objections and caveats around issues that have been there from the outset and well-enough known to all parties involved. The project is estimated to require around $12 billion and would have put 4,500MW into the national grid, enhanced water storage for agriculture and mitigated the effects of flooding. The Bhasha Dam is crucial to our future needs and development and is by far the most important water and power project in the country.
Finding funding if the ADB pulls out is going to be difficult, as is the issuance of a ‘No Objection Certificate’ by India, as Gilgit-Baltistan, where the dam is located, remains a disputed area and does not have provincial status in Pakistan. One option that may be considered is the securitisation of Wapda assets such as the Ghazi Barotha Hydropower project, but it is unclear who would buy into such a proposal. Such a move would also incur a substantial rise in the cost of hydel-generated electricity to the end-user – a bullet which may have to be bitten as there are few, if any, alternatives to the Bhasha project that could be funded and built sufficiently quickly to meet our growing energy needs. The ADB wants to see a broader funding coalition, but the World Bank (WB) has already refused on the grounds that it is in a disputed area, but might relent if we get an NOC from the Indians. Nobody is offering odds on the likelihood of India issuing any such instrument as it would effectively legitimise our claims to the entire area of Gilgit-Baltistan. In those circumstances, was it wise to go ahead with the Bhasha project after the Kalabagh Dam was scuppered? Did our rulers, planners and economic wizards not anticipate such objections or is this a new political move by world powers to squeeze Pakistan

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Posted: 14 Aug 2012 03:37
by Prem
India should not stop Pakistani water: Fazul r
http://dawn.com/2012/08/13/india-should ... er-fazlur/
ISLAMABAD: Chairman Parliament Special Committee on Kashmir Maulana Fazul Rahamam asked India not to stop Pakistani water by constructing dams on Pakistani rivers.In a statement issued here on Monday, Fazul said that this step will badly affect our agriculture sector and disrupt the peace of sub-continent.He said under the Sindh Tas agreement, rivers including Chenab, Ravi and Sindh owned by Pakistan, adding that India can not stop the water of these rivers.Moreover, he said that India has established several dams on these rivers and now is busy in establishing dams on the Nullah’s of these dams. India is also constructing dam on the Nullah of Chenab river which will cause shortage of water in Pakistan.India is producing electricity in Occupied Kashmir but the people of occupied Kashmir are deprived of electricity, he added.Maulana Fazul said that Indian leadership is just claiming of friendship with Pakistan infront of the world but continue to harm the country.Furthermore, he said that the Kashmir issue is unresolved from the last 65 years and India committing atrocities on the people forcefully.He urged Indian leadership to take concrete steps for maintaining good relations with Pakistan and avoid mere giving statements.
Comment by Desiman

IcedSpore Not only is India stopping the flow of water to Pakistan, by constructing hydel projects, it is also removing the electricity from the water. As a result Pakistan is getting weak water from which the electricity has been removed. We must go to the UN, the OIC, the ICC and the SPCA to protest this injustice!

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Posted: 14 Aug 2012 03:47
by Prem
Congratu- lations to Paqqistan on this August Chodha Din and Raat Celebrations !! Hu is the major guest to enjoy the priviledge of this occasion?

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Posted: 14 Aug 2012 03:56
by surinder
There are more Sikhs in TSP in NWFP than Pakjab. That is ironical, but understandable. The reason is that in 1947, the riots cleansed Pakjab, but the riots in Pathan NWFP were few, if any. This is due to the fact that '47 riots were British sponsored and cleansing Sikhs in NWFP wasn't necessary.

When Zia agreed to let Gurudwaras function, he did not want Indian Sikhs. He imported Sikhs from NWFP into Pakjab to manage them.

Hindus in TSP, both in Sindh, B'stan and Pakjab, are very very close to Sikhs there. Many Hindus often take refuge in major Gurudwaras in times of crisis. I don't have data, but I believe they intermarry too. Infact, most of the seva and upkeep of Gurudwaras is in the hands of Hindus, especially Sindhi Hindus. (Sindhi "Hindus" are beleivers in Guru Nanak and Sikhism).

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Posted: 14 Aug 2012 03:59
by partha
You might have read the 4 part series "This too was Pakistan" by NFP on dawn.com. Here is a response. Read the whole thing. It is too long to post here in full. Only selected items I have quoted.

I suggest this be included in the first post of TSP thread.

http://criticalppp.com/archives/222082
This too was Pakistan (1947-71): A response to Nadeem Paracha’s “Also Pakistan”
Nadeem F. Paracha’s (NFP) history of Pakistan in the four part series in daily Dawn suffers from an error of exclusion. It is the history of Pakistan’s upper-middle classes in an urban setting where lifestyle choices imply that somehow Pakistan was more liberal in the past. It also reduces Pakistan to a (mainly) Punjabi-Muhajir urban upper-middle class landscape – like the plays of Fatima Surayya Bajia, Hasina Moin and Ashfaque Ahmed or romantic writings of Shafique-ur-Rehman and Nasim Hijazi.

The pictures in NFP columns tell a story of an upper middle class whose “liberal” membership has shrunk. Simultaneously, it also reinforces the myth that there is a tiny bulwark of upper-middle class activists who are protecting Pakistan from complete Talibanisation - as long as their literary festivals, social media melas and fashion shows are well funded by foreign consulates and donor agencies.

In terms of strategy, “liberals” tactics are very similar to the post-9/11 strategy of General Musharaf. In the first half of the last decade, this strategy was employed to the hilt by Musharaf in trying to convince the West that he and the army under him represent the last stand against the Taliban. Of course, now the whole world knows the dual policy of Pakistan’s military establishment of officially opposing the Taliban but protecting and sponsoring them and their local Jihadi affiliates at the ground level. Plausible deniability was taken to a new level by Pakistan’s military establishment. Similarly, it is commonly known that several of Pakistan’s “noted liberals” including but not limited to Najam Sethi, Ejaz Haider and their predecessors in the past have played a questionable role in undermining democratic governments in Pakistan.

What NFP has presented in this series is only a limited remembrance of Pakistan from an elitist, upper-middle class perspective. If a narrow window of Pakistani society can be described as Pakistan, rest assured such Pakistan exists even today within its typical confines, e.g., five star hotels, private beaches, civil society melas, literary festivals, aman ki asha events etc in secluded luxury hotels or private residences.

What NFP did not describe is how the country was shaping itself right from its inception when Jinnah and his close comrades authorized military take over of Balochistan, despatch of Pashtun and Punjabi mercenaries to Kashmir, dismissal of Dr. Khan’s government in NWFP and suppression of Bangla language. In 1948 and beyond we saw a repeat of similar events, e.g., when Jinnah’s funeral was refused to be led by a Shia cleric, when Objectives Resolution was passed by Pakistan’s first legislative assembly thus formalizing the ascendancy of Sunni Islam, when anti-Ahmadiyya riots took place in streets of Lahore and other cities of Pakistan. NFP also did not mention the fact that long before General Zia’s Islamization, one of the bloodiest massacres of Shias took place in Terhi Sindh in 1963. That too was Pakistan.

Romanticizing of Pakistan from an upper-middle class lens is a great thing to write and read and we are not challenging the fact that confines of the upper-middle class lifestyle have relatively reduced in the past few decades courtesy General Zia, Zakir Naik, Farhat Hashmi, Imran Khan etc, however, that lifestyle featuring several elements of social hedonism is still available and enjoyed by the select elite.

The photos and narrative also reinforce the upper-middle class narrative that the seeds of extremism, intolerance and hypernationalism were sown during Bhutto’s time and harvested by Zia ul Haq. Unfortunately, this selective narrative excludes the role of Pakistan’s urban elites (eg Rana Liaquat Ali Khan, Qudratullah Shahab, Altaf Gauhar etc) who silently watched the destruction of a pluralist society and the resulting rampant extremism while their own socio-economic interests were taken good care of.

The seeds of extremism in Pakistan were not planted by Zia or Bhutto but were there much earlier and should be highlighted. Today, Pakistan’s Shia Muslims are undergoing a slow-motion genocide which is deliberately being misrepresented or ignored by the urban elites who have positioned themselves as the “Endangered Liberal Species”. Such elites have largely participated in inexplicable silence on the massacre of at least 19000 Shia Muslims in Pakistan in the last few decades.
1947: A country created on the basis of communal hatred and othering
Founder of a communal state is evasive about his own communal identity

The country’s founder was a Shia but it was Mr. Jinnah himself who was evasive about his Shia Muslim identity.
1947: Jinnah dismisses an elected government in NWFP Province
1948: Bacha Khan remains in intermittent house arrest from 1948 to 1964

Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan (Bacha Khan) was always presented as a traitor of Pakistan and an Indian agent. Ghaffar Khan was placed under house arrest without charge from 1948 till 1954. He was re-arrested in 1958 until an illness in 1964 allowed for his release.
1948: At least 150 Pashtuns massacred in Babhara village, Charsadda
1948: State funeral for Jinnah cannot be led by a Shia cleric
1949: Islamisation of Pakistan begins. Objectives Resolution passed by PM Liaquat Ali Khan
1951: A Jihad-e-Kashmir mercenary killed PM Liaquat Ali Khan
1952: Bangla language riots in East Pakistan
1953: Anti-Ahmadiyya riots in Punjab
In 1953, a religious movement began to agitate for the removal of the Ahmadiyya Muslims from power positions, and demanded a declaration of Ahmadis as a non-Muslim minority groups. Due to government’s lack of action, mass rioting broke out in the Punjab against both the government and followers of Ahmadis. Several dozens were killed by violent mobs of Jamaat-e-Islami and other Sunni Deobandis, Wahhabi and Barelvi groups.

General Azam Khan – the first Martial Law Administrator having hard talk with Sardar Nishtar. With the government failing to contain anti-Ahmadi riots in Lahore, property of civilians being destroyed and truoble spreading to other major cities of the Punjab in 1953, Prime Minister Khwaja Nazimuddin, an ineffective administrator while presiding over a cabinet meeting in Karachi kept saying what should I do, what should I do. Lahore was on fire and the Governor of Punjab had just confirmed the fact. Defense Secretary Iskander Mirza was asked to find out the exact situation. He went to the ante room and called GOC Lahore General Azam Khan who confirmed the reports. ‘How long will it take you to control the situation?’ Mirza asked him. ‘One hour’ quipped Azam. ‘Then go ahead’ Mirza advised him. He returned to the Cabinet room and announced that he had declared Martial Law in Lahore. True to his word Azam restored law and order, arrested Maulana Maudoodi and Maulana Abdul Sattar Khan Niazi, tried them in a summary military court, sentenced them to death and sent them to the black cell for hanging the next morning. A call from King Saud however got them a reprieve. But with the carte blanche given to Gen Azam, military supremacy had been ensured in Pakistan for all times to come. Also Saudi hegemony in protecting and sponsoring Wahhabi-Deobandis of Pakistan was also established.

Pakistan was co-opted by a powerful civil-military bureaucracy immediately after coming into existence. This establishment ensured that Deobandi clerics and organizations e.g., Shabbir Ahmed Usmani, Maulana Maududi were given a prominent place in a non-democratic setup. The Objectives Resolution followed quickly and a large scale pogrom against the Ahmadi Muslims took place in Pakistan in 1953. None of this is reflected in the pictures selected – incidentally, that is not Stewart Granger and Ava Gardner either – although both of them were here for the filming of Bhowani junction. The most abiding memory of them isn’t Ava Gardner’s ethereal beauty or Granger’s rackish charms. Rather is the pride felt by the urban elites when Stewart Granger was slapped by an army officer (Suo Moto anyone)

In terms of presenting an alternate history and point of view, it is important to appreciate some of Nadeem’s earlier anti-establishment work. However, it is also important to highlight the limitation of these views as an urban reflection which do not delve deeper into the historical roots of the problems currently facing Pakistan. Unwittingly, this presentation reinforces the selective elite narrative which works overtime to shift the blame from the establishment and the liberal class to convenient scapegoats (generals and politicians).
1955: One unit system adopted in West Pakistan
1956: Islamic name for Pakistan
1959: Baloch leaders betrayed by Pakistan army
1963: Shia massacre in Therhi, Sindh
1965: Operation Gibraltar and the Pakistan India war
1971: Bangladesh Liberation War and the genocide of pro-freedom Muslims and Hindus of East Pakistan
We cannot move forward until we reconcile with our past. For a progressive, pluralist and secular Pakistan, we cannot be selective of our either our history or our genesis. By perpetuating a selective and concocted version of history, we are doomed to repeat our follies.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Posted: 14 Aug 2012 04:12
by partha
^
"For a progressive, pluralist and secular Pakistan, we cannot be selective of our either our history"

The question is can a country founded on communal hatred and intolerance (which is acknowledged by the author in the beginning of the article) ever become pluralist and secular? If it tries to become one, it loses its very purpose of existence!

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Posted: 14 Aug 2012 05:45
by Anantha
Rajdeep wrote:We are harassed in Pakistan, many keen to migrate to India: Pakistani Hindu family

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 475454.cms
A grocery shop owner in Sibi, Mukesh said Pakistani immigration officials were so skeptical of the visit of Pakistani Hindus to India that before letting them board Samjhauta Express at Wagah on Monday, they were made to give a written undertaking that they were not harassed in Pakistan and would return.
An emotional Mukesh said he had sold his house and other belongings before leaving Pakistan. "I know my relatives are there and they could be harassed but I had to save my and the life of my family, they might also leave Pakistan one day," he said adding that hundreds of Hindu families were keen to migrate to India.
Mukesh spoke of the terror in Balochistan where gun-wielding motorcyclists often came to their shops and demanded huge money and went to houses to harass Hindu ladies and took away their ornaments.
Mukesh's wife Sumen Devi said they had decided to move India for good after one of their relatives Ravi Kumar was kidnapped by unidentified miscreants and when the family failed to meet their demand of ransom they sent back his dead body after two and half months.
Mukesh said police did register their cases but didn't do anything to trace the culprits.
Feel sorry for these guys, but some anger as well. What were you thinking for 65 years? The signs were always there on the dysfunctional nature of pakiland.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Posted: 14 Aug 2012 05:55
by Anantha
On the water car (pseudo) Science.
One thing that has been neglected is the level of science in Pakiland. When guys like Xerox khan and Science minister applaud the breakthru, it indicates the knowledge base (or lack of it) in Science and Technology and the amount of help Pakis have received on nuclear weapons from the three powers . It wont surprise me if we find one day that there are no Nuke making facilities in Pakistan and the Nukes are being simply handed over to them by the two Godfathers and the poodle.
A corollary to this is the amount of hate these 3 nations have for India and its potential.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Posted: 14 Aug 2012 06:07
by SSridhar
TSPA plans to open a new front against Pakistani Taliban: Panetta

It seems that the US has started publicly announcing the TSPA plans as a means of forcing it to act.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Posted: 14 Aug 2012 07:09
by arun
X Posted from the “Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan” thread.

The Mohammadden holy month of Ramadan / Ramazan / Ramzan brings forth a cornucopia of pious action in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, the “Land of the Pure”, with the more pure seeking to ram Islamic piety down the throats of the less pure:

No dance parties but dars allowed, rules DHA

Stop uploading songs on mobile phones, warns Taliban pamphlet

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Posted: 14 Aug 2012 07:42
by partha
http://dawn.com/2012/08/14/kayani-holds ... or-crises/
He {kayani} correlated Pakistan and Islam, saying that the country was established on the name of the religion and no force can separate the two.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Posted: 14 Aug 2012 08:04
by SSridhar
The extent to which Indian businessmen would go once the floodgates are opened unilaterally by India is demostrated in this editorial in Business India of this week. No links.
Excerpts
A Positive Step
Earlier this year, Pakistan switched over to a negative list regime with India, paving the way to give India the Most Favoured Nation-status - a title conferred on Pakistan a few years ago. {What a lie. A few years ago ? India gave that concession to Pakistan in c. 1995, 17 years ago} . . . . Businessmen from Pakistan have long lamented about an RBI guideline that restricts them from conducting business in India . . . . There are few other countries with which India shares so much history and so much in common. . . . A borderline can divide land. But, if we are the same people then should not our ties be strongest of all ? . . . . There is no reason for India to not open up sectors like defence, or atomic energy and space to Pakistani FDI for that matter. The Indian Defence establishment is far stronger than Pakistan's. It is only by opening up sectors like defence that there will be no need for spies on either side. . . . Progress within the subcontnent is only in India's best interests.
Speechless.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Posted: 14 Aug 2012 08:17
by abhishek_sharma
Speechless? Just wait for the chankian theories.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Posted: 14 Aug 2012 08:34
by Anujan
partha wrote:http://dawn.com/2012/08/14/kayani-holds ... or-crises/
He {kayani} correlated Pakistan and Islam, saying that the country was established on the name of the religion and no force can separate the two.
"Chief of Army Staff (COAS) General Ashfaq Pervez Kayani early on Tuesday held all state institutions, including the armed forces, for mistakes being committed in the past and for current crises in the country"
Both Pakistan and India are equally responsible for the current state of Pakistan. There are extremists on both sides.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Posted: 14 Aug 2012 08:40
by jrjrao
On "independence day", the good ol' pile of gobar throws in the towel big time.

The age of foolishness
My birthday present to you is to show you the Truth as I see it, ruthlessly and honestly. What I say is evident everywhere.

Our condition is pathetic...Remove everything that is of western origin and all we will be left with are our clothes – except for the ‘Kala Sahib’ of course. Nothing else, so backward are we.

There is chaos and anarchy everywhere. The human condition is pathetic and getting worse by the day. The right to develop one’s mind to its fullest potential is strikingly absent – little good food, no jobs, no education, no healthcare while inflation is rampant. No electricity, no water, no gas and no security. Human dignity and the dignity of the family are of no concern to our mentally challenged rulers.
Of course, on the other side of Pindi, the lal-topi is all ablaze, trying to march his internet jihadi lemmings up the hill and past the cliff beyond.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Posted: 14 Aug 2012 08:40
by Rony
ADB wants Pakistan to bow before India
Pakistan does not need financial support of Asian Development Bank if rulers really want to construct the dam and are serious to resolve water and power issues in the country, it could be built using local resources. :rotfl:

High-level officials of Water and Power sector believe that local resources can be used to construct very important dam of the country. They said that Asian Development Bank is trying to pressurise Pakistan to bow down in front of India as most of the people running ADB belongs to India and they have strong influence in the organisation. :((

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Posted: 14 Aug 2012 08:49
by arun
Op-Ed in the Express Tribune by Yaqoob Khan Bangash who sees a glimmer of the truth in the historical mistake which is now the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

A couple of excerpts:
Since Pakistan was born in violence, violence has become intrinsic to the body politic of the country. Let us not forget that it was not the constitutional brilliance of Mohammad Ali Jinnah which finally convinced the Congress, especially Nehru and Patel, and Mountbatten to agree to a partition, but the deteriorating law and order situation in the Muslim majority provinces, which was directly related to the ‘Direct Action’, called by Jinnah in late 1946.
Pakistan as a modern state was born in a situation where one of the basic principles underlying the modern nation-state — majority rule — was unacceptable to its founders.
Read it all:

The ghosts of Partition

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Posted: 14 Aug 2012 09:34
by Hiten
Just received a phone call from a pakistan number. Absolutely no connections or acquaintances there. As evident, did not receive the call
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is there something i must do about this? Have already brought it to my service provider's attention.

problem seems to be quite widespread

https://www.google.com/search?q=pakista ... %22call%22

don't want to get into any unnecessary trouble

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Update:
If you're on Android, you could install Call Filter. It allows you to block numbers based on 'start with' parameter.

For pakistan, they would be 0092 & +92

https://play.google.com/store/apps/deta ... ter2&hl=en

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Posted: 14 Aug 2012 09:48
by SSridhar
SC re-opens the 1995 coup attempt
The Supreme Court on Monday accepted review petitions of four army officials, Major General (r) Zaheerul Islam Abbasi, Brigadier Mustansir Billah, Colonel Inayatullah and Colonel Azad Minhas, who had been convicted by a military court for attempting to topple the government in 1995.
This is an interesting case. The renegade PA officers collaborated with a powerful Islamist jihadist, Qari Saifullah Akhtar in this plan. Maj. Gen. Abbassi was later released by Gen. Musharrf in circa 1999. Maj. Gen. Abbassi later joined SSP (Sipah- e-Sahaba-Pakistan) to actively work for establishment of a Caliphate. Earlier in c. 1990, he had been relieved of his Kargil command by the Pakistani COAS, Gen. Asif Nawaz Janjua, for having undertaken an unauthorized operation that led to the loss of several soldiers and officers on the Saltoro.

However, Qari turned approver in the case and was released in November, 1996, when he became political adviser to Mullah Omar in Afghanistan. Qari Saifullah was the founder of Harkat-ul-Jihadi-al-Islami (HuJI) in 1984. Qari Saifullah Akhtar was requested in c. 1996 by Maulana Nizamuddin Shamzai, the head of the Binori mosque, to help bring Osama bin Laden from the Sudan to Afghanistan by brokering a deal with Mullah Omar. When the Taliban fell after 9/11, he first fled to South Waziristan, then to Saudi Arabia and finally to UAE from where he was arrested in 2004. He was kept in a Pakistani prison for three years without prosecution and released by Musharraf in 2007. He was also arrested on February 26, 2008 for involvement in the assassination attempt of Ms. Benazir Bhutto in October 2007 at Karachi. Again, he was released after three months. In August 2009, he was again arrested from an Islamabad hospital while undergoing treatment for injuries sustained in a drone attack in Waziristan. He could not be detained for long yet again.

I don't know why this case is being resurrected now and notice issued to the President himself.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Posted: 14 Aug 2012 10:04
by Prem
SSridhar wrote:The extent to which Indian businessmen would go once the floodgates are opened unilaterally by India is demostrated in this editorial in Business India of this week. No links.
Speechless.
Why, it only tells that the list of remedial meausres to be taken in our own home is narrowing down. Some folks are clamouring for their few minute of fame like that of French elites near famous sharp machine .

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Posted: 14 Aug 2012 10:14
by Anujan
Pakistanis aspire for a outer shade of green. http://tribune.com.pk/story/421760/paki ... of-choice/

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Posted: 14 Aug 2012 10:20
by CRamS
SSridhar wrote:The extent to which Indian businessmen would go once the floodgates are opened unilaterally by India is demostrated in this editorial in Business India of this week. No links.
Speechless.
Its a measure of TSP terrorist and nuke blackmail success and Indian pusillanimity, nothing else can describe this. But then again, as I keep telling myself, its easy for me to sit in the comfort of Uncle's protection in US, enjoy the good life, and ask Indians to fight TSP thereby ruining their 5% or 6% or whatever rate of growth. But one thing I will tell you, lets be introspective, there is nothing dharmic or Chanakyan in India's TSP appeasement as DipankarJi claims, its a simple case of cost benefit analysis, where Indian govt and elites have decided its cheaper to surrender to TSP under the guise of strategic thinking than it is to take the bull by its horns. But question I have is this. How long will TSP keep soaking up India's appeasement before it decides that its the opportune moment to strike and dare India to a nuke war? Or is TSP's downward spiral irreversible and so despite India's appeasement, TSP will never be in a position to implement its grand India strategy: daring terror strikes under nuke umbrella?

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP) : 24 July 2

Posted: 14 Aug 2012 10:26
by Prem
Plan Bee of Pee
Call to seek Indian NoC for Bhasha dam rejected
Dilating upon the plan-B, Mr Durrani said an option was to persuade the ADB to provide funding only for the civil works that would not relate to environmental and resettlement issues and meet the need for the remaining part of the project through local financing and other friendly sources.The options included pledging some of the remaining water sector projects to raise Islamic and conventional bonds for the dam but most of these assets had already been pledged against international loans, an official said.He said the Islamic Development Bank and China were ready to provide partial funding and support to the project but none of them was ready to fund the entire project.The Economic Affairs Division told the meeting that a Middle Eastern group was also interested in the project because it offered more than 18 per cent rate of return on equity that meant 100 per cent recovery of investment in five years.
( Paqqie thinking of foolling Ummah Masters. !8% return))
The minister said the government was determined to constructing the project and all options were being considered to complete it in the shortest possible time.The meeting asked Wapda to furnish the report with all the options and commitments from donors